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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.01.29 21:29:00 -
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In light of recent and continual failed efforts, underhand or not, to undermine the Fountain Alliance normal sphere of operations, we are making our stance clear in the following statement.
The Fountain Alliance will retaliate without any prior warning and with any means deemed necessary to any hostile acts against our partners and allies.
We will also be forced to ratify the inclusion of other allied partners against such actions.
BIG Lottery
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Leno
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Posted - 2005.01.29 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Leno on 29/01/2005 21:31:58
First post! 
And oh yeah, does this mean ur going to war with SE?
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RIP - Smoske, My Friend
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2005.01.29 21:32:00 -
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So you're declaring war on SE?
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UnIQu3
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Posted - 2005.01.29 21:33:00 -
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so what about other spaces then FA space... will u maybe fire without warning ? or fire if fired upon ?
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Shredder
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Posted - 2005.01.29 21:36:00 -
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/me leans back in his chair, taps his fingers together, squints, 'Excelllleeennnt'
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.01.29 21:37:00 -
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it must be love! love love...
can u feeeel the love?
My vids and random stuff |
1man army
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Posted - 2005.01.29 21:38:00 -
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oh noes another blob war ;[
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Messerschmitt facility
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Posted - 2005.01.29 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Messerschmitt facility on 29/01/2005 21:40:18
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A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking...
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Conmen
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Posted - 2005.01.29 21:42:00 -
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 Originally by: TornSoul
In light of recent and continual failed efforts, underhand or not, to undermine the Fountain Alliance normal sphere of operations, we are making our stance clear in the following statement.
The Fountain Alliance will retaliate without any prior warning and with any means deemed necessary to any hostile acts against our partners and allies.
We will also be forced to ratify the inclusion of other allied partners against such actions.
I RULE YOU AHAHHA YOU HAVE NO CHANCE OF SURVIVIAL IN LIGHT OF MY ELITE UBER NINJA SKILLS ***** IS FUN KIDS WOOT.... I LIKE THE TRIPLE DOT TRI EFFECT WE ARE AN 18TH CENTRURY RP CORP
WE ARE THE UBER LEET !*TH CENTURY RP CORP !*THCENTURY STYLE BABY. THANK YOU SHEEDZOR FOR THIS SIG GET PREPARED EVE TO BE WTFOWN |
FoxHunt
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Posted - 2005.01.29 21:42:00 -
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If you feel frustrated Torn, just kick your dogs...I do.
"If laughter truly is the best medicine, then the story you told me just cleared up my Hepatitis."
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Lord Draco
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Posted - 2005.01.29 21:42:00 -
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Your sphere of operations? You mean YZ-LQL?
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.01.29 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
The Fountain Alliance will retaliate without any prior warning and with any means deemed necessary to any hostile acts against our partners and allies.
Doesn't this statement in and of itself constitute a warning that you will retaliate?
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UnIQu3
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Posted - 2005.01.29 21:46:00 -
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Edited by: UnIQu3 on 29/01/2005 21:47:48
What is FA gonna do when 2 allies attack eachother ?
Regards UnIQu3
PS. im posting as a indvidual
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HyperBaton
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Posted - 2005.01.29 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Draco
Your sphere of operations? You mean YZ-LQL?
Ah man, lollerskates...
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Nebba Kenezzer
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Posted - 2005.01.29 21:58:00 -
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Torn: A little late, don't ya think?
We all know your demise is near.
Next time come up with something creative and not copy & paste TRIGGER's post, k? 
Lmao. Dead babies.
Anti-Semitism in the Arab Media |
Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2005.01.29 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: HyperBaton
Originally by: Lord Draco
Your sphere of operations? You mean YZ-LQL?
Ah man, lollerskates...
Everytime I see that system name, I think YZ-LOL
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Eve is not game, it¦s a way of life! |
Simon Adebisi
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Posted - 2005.01.29 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
Torn: A little late, don't ya think?
We all know your demise is near.
Next time come up with something creative and not copy & paste TRIGGER's post, k?
Actually, TornSoul has a proper grasp of punctuation and grammar. TRIGGER (ease off the caps m8) doesn't. 
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Specops
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Posted - 2005.01.29 22:23:00 -
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~Specops~ |
Presidio
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Posted - 2005.01.29 22:26:00 -
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Smartest thing CA ever did is to disband itself.
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.01.29 22:31:00 -
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TornSoul, I for one would suggest that your "normal sphere of operations" has grown out of your ability to control. Don't be surprised when it's taken from you.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Deacon Iscariut
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Posted - 2005.01.29 22:33:00 -
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For Sale: Fountain 
I killed Kenny, You Bastard
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Mad Bomber
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Posted - 2005.01.29 22:39:00 -
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Edited by: Mad Bomber on 29/01/2005 22:46:20
Ill offer 1 isk for FA.
Tornsoul you dug this yourself
EDIT: On futher consideration 1 isk is too generous, thou I will take it off your hands for free.
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Siddy
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Posted - 2005.01.29 22:48:00 -
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FA and SE in war?
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Guderian
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Posted - 2005.01.29 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Presidio
Smartest thing CA ever did is to disband itself.
Abit like the devil and his trick 
"Blessed is he, who walks through life in ignorance, 'cause he does not know the dangers that lies beyond." |
Nebba Kenezzer
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Posted - 2005.01.29 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Simon Adebisi
Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
Torn: A little late, don't ya think?
We all know your demise is near.
Next time come up with something creative and not copy & paste TRIGGER's post, k?
Actually, TornSoul has a proper grasp of punctuation and grammar. TRIGGER (ease off the caps m8) doesn't.
ALT ATTACK!
Quick, grow some balls.
Anti-Semitism in the Arab Media |
Simon Adebisi
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Posted - 2005.01.29 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
ALT ATTACK!
Quick, grow some balls.
Oh noes, you have destroyed my honor and sense of self-respect. 
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Baun
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Posted - 2005.01.29 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
TornSoul, I for one would suggest that your "normal sphere of operations" has grown out of your ability to control. Don't be surprised when it's taken from you.
(this is not sarcastic) Thanks for making a reply to the thread that while hostile is at least rational and not smack, just wish others could start doing the same.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Darial
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Posted - 2005.01.29 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
The Fountain Alliance will retaliate...to any hostile acts against our partners and allies.
We will also be forced to ratify the inclusion of other allied partners against such actions.
Let me see if I have this right...
So FA will retaliate if someone (SE) attacks your allies (FIX), and you will be forced to include your other allies (Norad? PBL?) against the hostile actions ?
Now even if your "other" allies hadn't got their own problems at the moment, why would you need them to fight the hostiles ? Can't FA fight their own battles ?
Please forgive me if I have this all wrong, but that press release was a little cryptic , but I suppose FA don't have the balls to post the above in clear and plain terms.
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fugazii
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Posted - 2005.01.29 23:34:00 -
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does this mean your gonna leave yz?
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Maule
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Posted - 2005.01.29 23:35:00 -
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If FA is going to declare war on SE FA would be in deep ****.. and tbh. what allies do you have the higest stance whit ? SE (that you have been allied whit since forever) or FIX (that you have been allied whit since they were made and thats what 6 monts ago the most?)
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Seinar Dragmire
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Posted - 2005.01.29 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: Seinar Dragmire on 29/01/2005 23:38:21
haha...so it begins
/me whips out his guitar and sings
bye bye miss foutain alliance...tornsoul dug a hole...and now he cant get out of it...his peons whine on the forums cuz thats all they know how to do...cuz shinra, SE, and everyone else is gonna come and wtfpwn you....shinra SE and everyone else is gonna come and wtfpwn you....yeeeeehaawww!
this is gonna be a very interesting next few months.......if it last long....for FA and FIX that is
lets get ready to ruuumbbbbbeeellll!!
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Lord Draco
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Posted - 2005.01.29 23:46:00 -
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Well, I'll just say this. While I know there are lots of really good people in the FA, there is some real lowlifes. They may not pirate .4 empire (lame), but they do worse. Xanadu has spies in nearly every FA corp if not all. If you don't believe me, you are just kidding yourself. This is the type of alliance FA has been. Many of us have seen it for a very long time.
Now, before Mr. Rank and File member flames me, I am sure you are not aware or would believe this to be true. I don't expect you to believe me or that you will want to.
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2005.01.29 23:58:00 -
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Good luck both sides.
We live in very interesting times.
Reverend Necrona |
Ezri Dax
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Posted - 2005.01.30 00:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ezri Dax on 30/01/2005 00:02:30
let's try to keep it clean
BIG Corporation
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Nebba Kenezzer
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Posted - 2005.01.30 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Simon Adebisi
Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
ALT ATTACK!
Quick, grow some balls.
Oh noes, you have destroyed my honor and sense of self-respect.
Ditto
Anti-Semitism in the Arab Media |
Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2005.01.30 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Draco
Well, I'll just say this. While I know there are lots of really good people in the FA, there is some real lowlifes. They may not pirate .4 empire (lame), but they do worse. Xanadu has spies in nearly every FA corp if not all. If you don't believe me, you are just kidding yourself. This is the type of alliance FA has been. Many of us have seen it for a very long time.
More Xanadu conspiracy.
I love it! Welcome to 6 months ago.
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My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants.
I <3 ( . Y . ) |
Lord Draco
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Posted - 2005.01.30 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki
Originally by: Lord Draco
Well, I'll just say this. While I know there are lots of really good people in the FA, there is some real lowlifes. They may not pirate .4 empire (lame), but they do worse. Xanadu has spies in nearly every FA corp if not all. If you don't believe me, you are just kidding yourself. This is the type of alliance FA has been. Many of us have seen it for a very long time.
More Xanadu conspiracy.
I love it! Welcome to 6 months ago.
Its ok if you want to keep your head in the sand. It's just gonna make the end more explosive.
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jigga
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Posted - 2005.01.30 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: UnIQu3
Edited by: UnIQu3 on 29/01/2005 21:47:48
What is FA gonna do when 2 allies attack eachother ?
Regards UnIQu3
PS. im posting as a indvidual
We'll step in and act as a mediator and try to get the two allies to resolve their differences before it gets out of hand.
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Kublai Khan
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Posted - 2005.01.30 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Draco
Well, I'll just say this. While I know there are lots of really good people in the FA, there is some real lowlifes. They may not pirate .4 empire (lame), but they do worse. Xanadu has spies in nearly every FA corp if not all. If you don't believe me, you are just kidding yourself. This is the type of alliance FA has been. Many of us have seen it for a very long time.
Now, before Mr. Rank and File member flames me, I am sure you are not aware or would believe this to be true. I don't expect you to believe me or that you will want to.
I come at great risk to myself to bring this information to the all-encompassing, never-satiated hunger of the uneducated masses.
What you are about to read is not only classified information stolen from our 'sekrit plnaning labz' from a location not to be disclosed (*cough*Mount Doom*cough*), but its downright dangerous to any individuals outside of Xanadu. Make sure you are sitting down comfortably, and have an oxygen supply at the ready.
*Disclaimer - I will not be held responsible for any personal injuries caused by reading this post. These include, but are not limited to, brain damage, lowering your IQ, RSI, Beating oneself up, and finally, being made look like a complete idiot*
So now that thats out of the way, here is the news.
"Top Secret Spy List - NOT TO BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC EVER! ON PAIN OF DEATH!! BY SPORK!!!
BIG - Tornsoul
Colsup - Ezri Dax (add: stupid double agent!)
EVEM - Baun
Jazz - Calmity Jayne (add: oh wait.... o_O)
ADC - Shin Taka, Gerome Doutrande (add: Beware of gerome - he has cunning plans. sometimes dresses up like Darth Vader to confuse people)
4S - ZOLA
HIRR - TIC
FinFleet - Raivotar
Imperial Guardians - Illystin de Vir (add: spelling might be wrong. Or it might be right. He's good that boy, keeps us guessing)
SSC - Ronyo
AFDT - feroci0us
So there you have it Xanadu. This is a comprehensive list of our FA spies. Obviously some have been left out for obvious reasons (Sastul can't remember who they are :( ).
To reiterate. DO NOT GIVE ANYONE THIS INFORMATION! WE'LL ALL PUT OUR HATS WITH HORNS ON, COME TO YOUR HOUSE, BURST THROUGH YOUR DOOR, STEAL YOUR MUMS COOKIES AND PIE, FIND YOUR BEDROOM, RIP DOWN YOUR N-SYNC POSTERS, SMASH UP YOUR EVE-ONLINE MUG, AND POKE YOU IN THE EYES WITH OUR TS MIC'S! You have been warned."
Now, if you'll excuse me, i need to get out of this thread before anyone from Xanadu realizes I've posted, and make good with my escape.
Huh? Whats that you say? This makes me look pretty ridiculous? I mean.. why would we waste spies from our inexhaustible memberbase in allied corporations, when said spies could be reading Imperium alliance chat and feeding us info?
Yeah, its a stupid theory afterall...
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Follow me if I advance,
Kill me if i retreat,
Avenge me if i fall. |
Edison Frisk
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Posted - 2005.01.30 00:42:00 -
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I am sooo happy!!
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2005.01.30 00:59:00 -
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Oh noes, I've been exposed!
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My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants.
I <3 ( . Y . ) |
Alkad Mzu
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Posted - 2005.01.30 01:02:00 -
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Leave my N-SYNC posters out of this ffs :/
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Head of Public Relations, Fountain Alliance |
Damajink
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Posted - 2005.01.30 01:04:00 -
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Oh, here we go.
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.01.30 01:07:00 -
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Hasn't FA not had its name changed yet to The Tornsoul Alliance? [TA]
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2005.01.30 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Amthrianius
Hasn't FA not had its name changed yet to The Tornsoul Alliance? [TA]
We tried (unanimous vote) but CCP won't let us and we've been being pwned so badly we don't have 1 billion isk to make a new alliance. 
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My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants.
I <3 ( . Y . ) |
Karrimdra
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Posted - 2005.01.30 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Draco
Well, I'll just say this. While I know there are lots of really good people in the FA, there is some real lowlifes. They may not pirate .4 empire (lame), but they do worse. Xanadu has spies in nearly every FA corp if not all. If you don't believe me, you are just kidding yourself. This is the type of alliance FA has been. Many of us have seen it for a very long time.
Now, before Mr. Rank and File member flames me, I am sure you are not aware or would believe this to be true. I don't expect you to believe me or that you will want to.
Actually, I think they lost quite some of their spies with the departure of the xanudians and others about 4 months ago. This might not be all of them, but a few of them.
From nothing to something in just one corp! |
Siddy
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Posted - 2005.01.30 01:11:00 -
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im wery confused, does this mean that long time buddys, FA ans SE are at war  
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.01.30 01:17:00 -
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Edited by: Amthrianius on 30/01/2005 01:18:45
Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki
Originally by: Amthrianius
Hasn't FA not had its name changed yet to The Tornsoul Alliance? [TA]
We tried (unanimous vote) but CCP won't let us and we've been being pwned so badly we don't have 1 billion isk to make a new alliance.
*eyes his wallet and ponders creating 6 alliances*
I need name suggestions :|
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Remo Williams
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Posted - 2005.01.30 01:46:00 -
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I took a shat in your sphere of operations....
*f3ar teh Rev0luti0n*
http://www.hydr4.com |
Bizarre
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Posted - 2005.01.30 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: Remo Williams
I took a shat in your sphere of operations....
You are and will always be a nobody, no matter what you may think yourself.
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Deathwing > U LIKE THOSE NUTS ON YA CHIN?
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qrac
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Posted - 2005.01.30 01:51:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Remo Williams
I took a shat in your sphere of operations....
u got flushed out with the **** ;)
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Insanes numquam moriuntur! |
Chucky
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Posted - 2005.01.30 02:10:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Amthrianius
Edited by: Amthrianius on 30/01/2005 01:18:45
Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki
Originally by: Amthrianius
Hasn't FA not had its name changed yet to The Tornsoul Alliance? [TA]
We tried (unanimous vote) but CCP won't let us and we've been being pwned so badly we don't have 1 billion isk to make a new alliance.
*eyes his wallet and ponders creating 6 alliances*
I need name suggestions :|
Kinda pointless since can't hold one together
... you will see more and more marketing which in turn will bring you more players to torture. |
Elisium Dammar
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Posted - 2005.01.30 02:12:00 -
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What an open ended statment.
I think you'll find all the Corps you have wronged coming back to bite you now.
Kr0m will be there.
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Dyvim Slorm
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Posted - 2005.01.30 02:20:00 -
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Edited by: Dyvim Slorm on 30/01/2005 02:27:06
Originally by: TornSoul
In light of recent and continual failed efforts, underhand or not, to undermine the Fountain Alliance normal sphere of operations, we are making our stance clear in the following statement.
The Fountain Alliance will retaliate without any prior warning and with any means deemed necessary to any hostile acts against our partners and allies.
We will also be forced to ratify the inclusion of other allied partners against such actions.
/OOC
Don't knock it, this is one of the best crafted pieces of diplomatic speak I've seen on these forums for a long time.
It's a diplomatic "shot across the bows" without actually accusing anyone, but making the meaning very clear.
I'm not being sarcastic, it was well done.
/IC
In (game) reality it means that both FIX and FA are under pressure, and are warning SE and others to keep out of it, or else.
Doubt if it'll work somehow
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Remo Williams
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Posted - 2005.01.30 02:26:00 -
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Quote:
You are and will always be a nobody, no matter what you may think yourself.
ROFL...coming from a jag-off like yourself, that IS quite funny....ha ha
*f3ar teh Rev0luti0n*
http://www.hydr4.com |
Cujo
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Posted - 2005.01.30 03:11:00 -
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*sigh* Well im not gonna get involved in the smack talk or anything like that. All I have to say is that its a shame to see this happen. But thats life in eve.
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Terror Has A New Name.
The Coalition / CEO Species 5618 |
Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2005.01.30 03:47:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Remo Williams
Quote:
You are and will always be a nobody, no matter what you may think yourself.
ROFL...coming from a jag-off like yourself, that IS quite funny....ha ha
A guy who's theme-song is "The Pirates Who Don't Do Anything" shouldn't be talking.
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My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants.
I <3 ( . Y . ) |
Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.01.30 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki
Originally by: Remo Williams
Quote:
You are and will always be a nobody, no matter what you may think yourself.
ROFL...coming from a jag-off like yourself, that IS quite funny....ha ha
A guy who's theme-song is "The Pirates Who Don't Do Anything" shouldn't be talking.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.01.30 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Siddy
im wery confused, does this mean that long time buddys, FA ans SE are at war
They're not long time buddies. They really haven't had much to do with each other. Stain, over and over has looked over their shoulders to the west and though "mmm... juicy. But oh wait, we have to fight curse, nvm."
But now curse is gone. And they need an enemy. And FA looks juicy again...
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The best description of alliances, ever:
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Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2005.01.30 04:44:00 -
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was that the most thinly vieled threat to SE, there Torn? Now I remember why I put FA on my list of "Annoying Leaders" when i was on the SA diplomatic council.
P.S. I think Al Frankin wrote a book about you.
P.P.S. I'm lettin' Duke off the hook. The old OC guys can rest at night knowing there is indeed someone Bared hates more than Duke.
I am Jack's broken moral compass. I am Jack's STILL trapped in eve limbo. maybe not for much longer... |
Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2005.01.30 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Siddy
im wery confused, does this mean that long time buddys, FA ans SE are at war
They're not long time buddies. They really haven't had much to do with each other. Stain, over and over has looked over their shoulders to the west and though "mmm... juicy. But oh wait, we have to fight curse, nvm."
But now curse is gone. And they need an enemy. And FA looks juicy again...
No, SA looked to the west and didnt care, the only guys who really helped us from that side were CFS and a few from FA... except only the CFS guys stayed around. infact, we counted FA as an ally but never really saw them around much. Me, I worried. A few chats with Tornsoul made me think that if CA ever died, FA would pull some stunt and take over CFS... then they took over CFS anf thier ego's flew like pidgeons on *****. I never trusted tornsoul, and this is the reason. SE doestn start fights (except that whole XIF thing, but I blame Zeal, he makes a fine scape goat, he even bleets like a goat.)
I am Jack's broken moral compass. I am Jack's STILL trapped in eve limbo. maybe not for much longer... |
S3VYN
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Posted - 2005.01.30 05:51:00 -
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Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Siddy
im wery confused, does this mean that long time buddys, FA ans SE are at war
They're not long time buddies. They really haven't had much to do with each other. Stain, over and over has looked over their shoulders to the west and though "mmm... juicy. But oh wait, we have to fight curse, nvm."
But now curse is gone. And they need an enemy. And FA looks juicy again...
No, SA looked to the west and didnt care, the only guys who really helped us from that side were CFS and a few from FA... except only the CFS guys stayed around. infact, we counted FA as an ally but never really saw them around much. Me, I worried. A few chats with Tornsoul made me think that if CA ever died, FA would pull some stunt and take over CFS... then they took over CFS anf thier ego's flew like pidgeons on *****. I never trusted tornsoul, and this is the reason. SE doestn start fights (except that whole XIF thing, but I blame Zeal, he makes a fine scape goat, he even bleets like a goat.)
Yeah, and the former CFS corporations who still hold true and are here (now known as FIX) are being shot by your corporation right now. Go figure, eh?
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Kunming
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Posted - 2005.01.30 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: S3VYN
...former CFS corporations...
lol, thats the last place you'r going to get help from!
Nice try, though let me remind you what CFS stands for: Coalition of Free Stars, nothing what FIX represents today. What you were once doesn't effect what you have become in the end.
Intercepting since BETA |
S3VYN
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Posted - 2005.01.30 06:51:00 -
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Edited by: S3VYN on 30/01/2005 06:55:31
Originally by: Kunming
Originally by: S3VYN
...former CFS corporations...
lol, thats the last place you'r going to get help from!
Nice try, though let me remind you what CFS stands for: Coalition of Free Stars, nothing what FIX represents today. What you were once doesn't effect what you have become in the end.
Then perhaps you should request that your comrades try to not bring our history into this? Although FIX's history with the former CFS corporations is not rosy, our history with SE was one of honor and cooperation until very recently. It's also worth noting that many of the corporations in FIX actually founded the CFS, so definitions don't need to be passed out here.
The former CFS corporations have a right to be bitter, especially with me personally as I was the person hired to be the most poison towards them. But no one should demean the contributions FIX and the FIX corporations have made to SE in the past. When SE was raiding CA it was almost exclusively the corporations which now make up FIX which fought alongside them. The CFS corporations put more emphasis on patrolling A2 and the area.
Let's not rehash the details of the CFS/FIX relationship here. I realize you guys may be heralding that within SE and that is to be expected, but leave it off the boards as it only makes for flames.
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Avernus
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Posted - 2005.01.30 06:57:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Kunming
Originally by: S3VYN
...former CFS corporations...
lol, thats the last place you'r going to get help from!
Nice try, though let me remind you what CFS stands for: Coalition of Free Stars, nothing what FIX represents today. What you were once doesn't effect what you have become in the end.
Somehow I seriously doubt that S3 was trying to recruit ex-CFS corps to our aid. Most still have serious grudges against FIX, I don't really blame them. I'm glad to see many personal friends are still friends after all that though. FIX does owe CFS a debt of gratitude however, that of a guideline for our own alliances government. Not a copy obviously, but lessons learned.
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Conmen
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Posted - 2005.01.30 07:01:00 -
[66]
ha let them eat cake that is what i say to you my stupendous sir woot
k
WE ARE THE UBER LEET !*TH CENTURY RP CORP !*THCENTURY STYLE BABY. THANK YOU SHEEDZOR FOR THIS SIG GET PREPARED EVE TO BE WTFOWN |
AvanCade
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Posted - 2005.01.30 07:57:00 -
[67]
You know what i see ? Two alliances shooting eachother, but still keep saying they have no war, and the NAP is still intact.
I wonder who realises the real world first ;).
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Sir JoJo
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Posted - 2005.01.30 08:19:00 -
[68]
What a wonderfull world ;) lets get more wars ;)
ill be looking from the sideline since NORAD aint fighting anymore :)
have fun SE/FA ohh and FIX
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Conmen
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Posted - 2005.01.30 08:20:00 -
[69]
please read above post of mine before posting off topic if you see cleary that cake is being eaten it will clarfiy what was said :-=p
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Specops
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Posted - 2005.01.30 08:51:00 -
[70]
Originally by: S3VYN
Edited by: S3VYN on 30/01/2005 06:55:31
Originally by: Kunming
Originally by: S3VYN
...former CFS corporations...
lol, thats the last place you'r going to get help from!
Nice try, though let me remind you what CFS stands for: Coalition of Free Stars, nothing what FIX represents today. What you were once doesn't effect what you have become in the end.
Then perhaps you should request that your comrades try to not bring our history into this? Although FIX's history with the former CFS corporations is not rosy, our history with SE was one of honor and cooperation until very recently. It's also worth noting that many of the corporations in FIX actually founded the CFS, so definitions don't need to be passed out here.
The former CFS corporations have a right to be bitter, especially with me personally as I was the person hired to be the most poison towards them. But no one should demean the contributions FIX and the FIX corporations have made to SE in the past. When SE was raiding CA it was almost exclusively the corporations which now make up FIX which fought alongside them. The CFS corporations put more emphasis on patrolling A2 and the area.
Let's not rehash the details of the CFS/FIX relationship here. I realize you guys may be heralding that within SE and that is to be expected, but leave it off the boards as it only makes for flames.
I beg to differ
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Conmen
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Posted - 2005.01.30 09:04:00 -
[71]
u should not drink and beg to differ on the forums hmm k 18th role playa ha.. k done with my rants i really love all you guys all the forums though you just make me happy at times
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SithEwok
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Posted - 2005.01.30 09:26:00 -
[72]
Does this scare anyone here?????? Im tremblin'
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2005.01.30 09:39:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Remo Williams
I took a shat in your sphere of operations....
Oh, that one's going RIGHT into my bio!
Side note: SE better be careful, my super secret spy alt just snagged this screenshot of the FA fleet preparing to depart from YZ-LQL. Looks like some pretty dangerous stuff.
FA fleet preparing to depart
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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Dragonx
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Posted - 2005.01.30 09:44:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Sc0rpion
FA fleet preparing to depart
lol
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.01.30 09:56:00 -
[75]
Originally by: SithEwok
Does this scare anyone here?????? Im tremblin'
.....is it fear or excitement(sp?)?
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.01.30 10:04:00 -
[76]
B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling
"Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
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Conmen
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Posted - 2005.01.30 10:05:00 -
[77]
OMFG LMAO LMAO LMAO k done ranting no more forumwhoring now that i am sober
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Gunship
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Posted - 2005.01.30 12:33:00 -
[78]
interesting...
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Hedy
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Posted - 2005.01.30 12:35:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Specops
Originally by: S3VYN
Edited by: S3VYN on 30/01/2005 06:55:31
Originally by: Kunming
Originally by: S3VYN
...former CFS corporations...
lol, thats the last place you'r going to get help from!
Nice try, though let me remind you what CFS stands for: Coalition of Free Stars, nothing what FIX represents today. What you were once doesn't effect what you have become in the end.
Then perhaps you should request that your comrades try to not bring our history into this? Although FIX's history with the former CFS corporations is not rosy, our history with SE was one of honor and cooperation until very recently. It's also worth noting that many of the corporations in FIX actually founded the CFS, so definitions don't need to be passed out here.
The former CFS corporations have a right to be bitter, especially with me personally as I was the person hired to be the most poison towards them. But no one should demean the contributions FIX and the FIX corporations have made to SE in the past. When SE was raiding CA it was almost exclusively the corporations which now make up FIX which fought alongside them. The CFS corporations put more emphasis on patrolling A2 and the area.
Let's not rehash the details of the CFS/FIX relationship here. I realize you guys may be heralding that within SE and that is to be expected, but leave it off the boards as it only makes for flames.
I beg to differ
Not to Hijack this tread but I think Seven ment it in regards to the corps that occupied CFS space at the time, as in the corps that make FIX were the most active attacking CA out of all the former CFS corps.
No insult was intended to Xetic.
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Andrew Redburn
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Posted - 2005.01.30 13:49:00 -
[80]
Sorry mate, but there was plenty more and OTHER corps that defended CFS Space as well.
I for myself looked forward to this day a long long time. I knew this would happen and honestly I am not sad about it :D
If I my corp was not busy in the north, I would even come down to the south for a piece of the fun.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.01.30 13:49:00 -
[81]
ok, now ur just talking bs.
FIX did the most work? my ass..
did 'FIX' help SA get out of their ****ty period when c4 was massacring them in their southern regions? no, because fix wasnt invented yet. all the corps i c in ur alliance, i dont remember any of them taking part in that, i remember genco, empyrean federation (as they used to be known), cfs, all the other little allies...not U.
I cant believe you are pretending to be something you are not, you are nothing like CFS was, you are the reason they are dead, your betrayal destroyed them, that doesnt mean u did all the work in the old cfs regions im afraid...
im chuckling away to myself now...FIX...rofl..............
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Lallante
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Posted - 2005.01.30 13:54:00 -
[82]
Quote:
In light of recent and continual failed efforts, underhand or not, to undermine the Fountain Alliance normal sphere of operations, we are making our stance clear in the following statement.
Shinra is so sad that it fails to hold both PB stations, that it failed to get 150BS kills against FA in two weeks and that SE failed to declare war on FIX.
Oh wait.....
Lall - THE Vocal Minority -
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Raivotar
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Posted - 2005.01.30 14:07:00 -
[83]
U cant touch this
I told U home boy
U cant touch this
Yeah, thats how were livin and U know
U cant touch this
Look in my eyes, man
U cant touch this
Here, let me bust the funky lyrics
U cant touch this
./me break dances
Super Poseidon > So this is how it feels like to be an egg and 10000000 sperm cells try to penetrate you |
UnIQu3
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Posted - 2005.01.30 14:23:00 -
[84]
SE - please refrain from posting!
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2005.01.30 14:29:00 -
[85]
lmao @ FA/FIX/PBL, yous aer sooooo doooooomed. I hope your little puppet show gets cancelled by SE.
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JaiMaster
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Posted - 2005.01.30 15:00:00 -
[86]
down with naps!
bring on anarchy! free for all!
"TARGET RICH ENVIRONMENT"!
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Skill points. ISK. Ships, rare equipment. Its all just a means to an end...
Your end.
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slip66
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Posted - 2005.01.30 15:03:00 -
[87]
Originally by: JaiMaster
"TARGET RICH ENVIRONMENT"!
lol.
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Chucky
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Posted - 2005.01.30 15:24:00 -
[88]
Originally by: UnIQu3
SE - please refrain from posting!
Nah! tell us how u really feel about being pawns in someones twisted little game
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Aradous
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Posted - 2005.01.30 15:39:00 -
[89]
dont you just love all the sad little ex cfs and friends posting on this thread ,get a life guys ,you got owned ,get over it
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Ugly KidJoe
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Posted - 2005.01.30 17:14:00 -
[90]
Originally by: UnIQu3
Edited by: UnIQu3 on 29/01/2005 21:47:48
What is FA gonna do when 2 allies attack eachother ?
Regards UnIQu3
PS. im posting as a indvidual
funny question because the NAP gomp is around.
SE is allied with Atuk
Atuk with BOB
BOB includeds m0o
m0o is in fights with SE
Atuk with FA
FA is allied with FIX
FIX in war with SE
but SE is allied with FA
...
the question here could be, why is Atuk still allied with SE when Atuk is part of BOB ... but BOB is no alliance, it is only a name for something, okay, problem solved.
at the moment it is a little bit like Bab5, the shadows re allied with everybody and force all to war against each other. neighbours will get enemys soon.
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OMGWTFHAX
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Posted - 2005.01.30 17:24:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Aradous
dont you just love all the sad little ex cfs and friends posting on this thread ,get a life guys ,you got owned ,get over it
what has this got to do with ex cfs?
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S3VYN
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Posted - 2005.01.30 17:45:00 -
[92]
Originally by: OMGWTFHAX
Originally by: Aradous
dont you just love all the sad little ex cfs and friends posting on this thread ,get a life guys ,you got owned ,get over it
what has this got to do with ex cfs?
n00b
A lot of the ex CFS corporations went to SE and they have remained pretty bitter about being evicted from their original space. They like to say that they were the military power in the three regions and discredit the history of the corporations in FIX with their current enemies, although facts would paint a quite different picture.
MAX, I said the corporations in FIX and that holds true. The corporations in FIX (originally the QDF) were the corporations who originally created the CFS and founded its ideals. They were also the corporations who did OFFENSIVE actions against CA alongside CA (I never took away from the CFS corporations doing DEFENSIVE actions in and around A2, as they saw that as the important territory to hold).
My point being, the corporations in FIX have long tried to accomodate our friends in SA and now SE, that has never changed even though more recently some talks orchestrated by ATUK went south VERY, VERY quickly... more quickly than I would have thought possible considering the conversation I had with Trigger exactly one week ago to the hour.
It's too bad really, I have been privvy to absolutely, positively every discussion that has taken place leading up to and through this "conflict" and it's so obvious to me what went wrong and where. Not everyone sees it that way, however, so we're being attacked.
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FoxHunt
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Posted - 2005.01.30 17:53:00 -
[93]
You of all people shouldn't say anything about bitterness, S3...when you so doggedly bad-mouth every ex-UFS corp that tried to move on to other alliances.
"If laughter truly is the best medicine, then the story you told me just cleared up my Hepatitis."
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S3VYN
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Posted - 2005.01.30 17:56:00 -
[94]
Originally by: FoxHunt
You of all people shouldn't say anything about bitterness, S3...when you so doggedly bad-mouth every ex-UFS corp that tried to move on to other alliances.
Yep, you're right. But I wasn't bitter, I was doing my job. I pointed out earlier that they had every right to be bitter at me, even above being bitter at FIX.
Wasn't meant to be personal, was meant to accomplish a goal. I was definitely their biggest enemy and received the vast majority of their attention... possible that was by design?
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Rift Scorn
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Posted - 2005.01.30 18:05:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Elisium Dammar
What an open ended statment.
I think you'll find all the Corps you have wronged coming back to bite you now.
Kr0m will be there.
Signed.
Coming SoonÖ to a system near FA, Kr0m 'Ownage SoupÖ' getting ladelled out to FA in lashings, and lashings of rich creamy Pwnage
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.01.30 18:26:00 -
[96]
i miss everything  
My vids and random stuff |
Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2005.01.30 19:54:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Ugly KidJoe
Originally by: UnIQu3
Edited by: UnIQu3 on 29/01/2005 21:47:48
What is FA gonna do when 2 allies attack eachother ?
Regards UnIQu3
PS. im posting as a indvidual
funny question because the NAP gomp is around.
SE is allied with Atuk
Atuk with BOB
BOB includeds m0o
m0o is in fights with SE
Atuk with FA
FA is allied with FIX
FIX in war with SE
but SE is allied with FA
...
the question here could be, why is Atuk still allied with SE when Atuk is part of BOB ... but BOB is no alliance, it is only a name for something, okay, problem solved.
at the moment it is a little bit like Bab5, the shadows re allied with everybody and force all to war against each other. neighbours will get enemys soon.
And people ask me why I was getting sick of alliance politics 
If FA is allied with FIX and SE is allied with FA, yet SE and FIX are at war..
Then I guess allied doesn't mean mutual defense anymore in this game.. Else there would be a real problem.
BoB's part in this? They're probably just laughing and playing WoW, so that when they get bored they can come back and slap all alliances back into what/where they used to be :)
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angelcon
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Posted - 2005.01.30 20:04:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Siddy
FA and SE in war?
SE is bored they dont have ca to beat on ne more and ca dosent have se to beato ne so the next best thing is either xetic and fa and since xetic is se:clone: best not to fight them but that owuld be somthign to see dun you think
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PSA1SWIPE
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Posted - 2005.01.30 20:06:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Bizarre
Originally by: Remo Williams
I took a shat in your sphere of operations....
You are and will always be a nobody, no matter what you may think yourself.
cant bleive im saying this but i agree
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Zenst
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Posted - 2005.01.30 20:24:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Zenst on 30/01/2005 20:25:27
Originally by: Ugly KidJoe
Originally by: UnIQu3
Edited by: UnIQu3 on 29/01/2005 21:47:48
What is FA gonna do when 2 allies attack eachother ?
Regards UnIQu3
PS. im posting as a indvidual
funny question because the NAP gomp is around.
SE is allied with Atuk
Atuk with BOB
BOB includeds m0o
m0o is in fights with SE
Atuk with FA
FA is allied with FIX
FIX in war with SE
but SE is allied with FA
...
the question here could be, why is Atuk still allied with SE when Atuk is part of BOB ... but BOB is no alliance, it is only a name for something, okay, problem solved.
at the moment it is a little bit like Bab5, the shadows re allied with everybody and force all to war against each other. neighbours will get enemys soon.
LOL I was thinking more along the lines of SOAP, stay tuned to next weeks installments, will Carlton get out the velator, will Louise clear up the veld or is Joey realy a female inside a male avator. Find out next week in SOAP (State Of Alliance Politics). 
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HeadHunta II
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Posted - 2005.01.30 20:40:00 -
[101]
Well, to CFS times noone defended CFS space more than single corps who were not even in CFS.
And FA wasnt seen much in combat situations, some BA pilots maybe.
Just to clear that up.
"Get in where u fit in!"
"-V- Minister of foreign affairs"
"CEO Ascendancy-Inc."
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Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2005.01.31 05:53:00 -
[102]
sorry uni.
Seven, you dont get it do you. I FOUGHT in the esoteria campaign, i can tell you wo helped, and who mooched. of all the people that sided with SA in those times, I dont remember you. the two big names in helping SA were BIG and Sol'invictus. followed closely behind was acendancy, solorflare, and most of the old CFS corps in stain. As I was on the "commitee" of people who helped decide who got into SA and who didin't, I sent messages to those who actually helped SA. did you get one of those messages? If your going to try and take credit for things, dont try and tell it to someone who was there. someone who was fighting C4 when the CFS and FA reinforments came, smeone who was ganged and TS'ed with the guys who would stick around and fight with us. were you there? I dont remember you. Once again, if you didnt earn the glory, dont claim it.
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S3VYN
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Posted - 2005.01.31 06:10:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
sorry uni.
Seven, you dont get it do you. I FOUGHT in the esoteria campaign, i can tell you wo helped, and who mooched. of all the people that sided with SA in those times, I dont remember you. the two big names in helping SA were BIG and Sol'invictus. followed closely behind was acendancy, solorflare, and most of the old CFS corps in stain. As I was on the "commitee" of people who helped decide who got into SA and who didin't, I sent messages to those who actually helped SA. did you get one of those messages? If your going to try and take credit for things, dont try and tell it to someone who was there. someone who was fighting C4 when the CFS and FA reinforments came, smeone who was ganged and TS'ed with the guys who would stick around and fight with us. were you there? I dont remember you. Once again, if you didnt earn the glory, dont claim it.
I didn't claim anything for myself... I was the CEO of a small ammunition company at the time, mostly spent my time mining and selling ammunition and making deliveries. Feel free to criticize me for things I didn't say, however.
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2005.02.01 00:05:00 -
[104]
Imperium and Supremacy as well as Shinra constantly wait for this "retaliation" you speak of while JQA and NORAD as well as PB lay in flames.
And now you are going to "retaliate" on SE? I don't want to sound garish or insulting, but your "Press Release" is just that, a piece of paper.
The FA retaliation they speak of is Baun and Insane Angel in assault frigs flitting about in former Norad space...and thats just about all the FA retaliation we see these days at least in former NORAD territory...
Unless of course your "Sphere of Influence" your referring to is the YZ-LQL and adjacent systems?
I remember FA when it was once a great power, and now considering its stalwart allies who bloodied themselves by protecting FA's outer rim are now being crushed all around them, they do not lift a finger to lend a hand, however, if you look at the map you can still see them happily mining up there while their die hard pvp guys still fight the good fight trying to fulfill FA's promises to its allies. The carebearism and lack of teamwork that seems to have entrenched itself among a fairly sizable portion of FA is whats going to unravel the alliance more than any hostile invasion could ever hope to accomplish.
FA received a wakeup call as of recent note, the question is, can the majority of FA's citizens wake up in time before their soldiers figure out what their Alliances ideals they fought for, no longer exist, and move on to a family that cares about them, and thats already started considering recent longstanding corporate departures.
Time will tell...
<bleh, have to change my sig some year>
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Percivs
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Posted - 2005.02.01 00:59:00 -
[105]
Originally by: MAXSuicide
i miss everything
Please put this in your bio.
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Araviel
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Posted - 2005.02.01 01:42:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Araviel on 01/02/2005 01:45:48
speaking of CFS,
i can say as former CFS admiral that SE got very little help from CFS,
the fleets i managed to scramble toghter sometimes usually only consisted of about 10-20% CFS members, the rest was formed up off the people you are now seeing as FIX.
noteworthy is also that alot of FIX members was involved in the forming of UAAC (united allies against CA). while CFS on the other hand didnt wanted anything to do whit it and was talking behind closed doors about getting a NAP whit CA.
saying that CFS helped SE is a joke imho
the ones who really helped SE was FIX and not us in CFS
EPIC Recruitment post
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Nez Perces
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Posted - 2005.02.01 01:57:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 01/02/2005 05:07:49
Edited by: Nez Perces on 01/02/2005 01:57:30
/emote, salutes Araviel.
In these dark days it seems very few either know the truth or dare to speak it out loud. Araviel was the founder of UAAC possibly the single most ambitious and greatest projects the southern regions had ever seen. It was a beautiful idea.
Unfortunately one of the invited parties decided that self-interest and bending to the enemies propaganda was of higher interest.
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Avernus
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Posted - 2005.02.01 02:05:00 -
[108]
Damn Ara, you can still lay the smack down in a thread when you're feeling up to it.
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S3VYN
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Posted - 2005.02.01 02:16:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Araviel
Edited by: Araviel on 01/02/2005 01:45:48
speaking of CFS,
i can say as former CFS admiral that SE got very little help from CFS,
the fleets i managed to scramble toghter sometimes usually only consisted of about 10-20% CFS members, the rest was formed up off the people you are now seeing as FIX.
noteworthy is also that alot of FIX members was involved in the forming of UAAC (united allies against CA). while CFS on the other hand didnt wanted anything to do whit it and was talking behind closed doors about getting a NAP whit CA.
saying that CFS helped SE is a joke imho
the ones who really helped SE was FIX and not us in CFS
I think I'm in love... an honest woman is rare nowadays.
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Da Beefo
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Posted - 2005.02.01 03:16:00 -
[110]
Cant we all just hug each outher and be friends..
errr ffs this blue pill is Viagra ffs this is never going down.÷
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2005.02.01 04:45:00 -
[111]
Originally by: S3VYN
Originally by: Araviel
Edited by: Araviel on 01/02/2005 01:45:48
speaking of CFS,
i can say as former CFS admiral that SE got very little help from CFS,
the fleets i managed to scramble toghter sometimes usually only consisted of about 10-20% CFS members, the rest was formed up off the people you are now seeing as FIX.
noteworthy is also that alot of FIX members was involved in the forming of UAAC (united allies against CA). while CFS on the other hand didnt wanted anything to do whit it and was talking behind closed doors about getting a NAP whit CA.
saying that CFS helped SE is a joke imho
the ones who really helped SE was FIX and not us in CFS
I think I'm in love... an honest woman is rare nowadays.
Considering we met in Iceland I am not going to touch that one at all....she does have cute blond hair
Good to see her.
" Stay Frosty "
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Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2005.02.01 05:03:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Bared Bel'Medar on 01/02/2005 05:06:44
Originally by: Araviel
Edited by: Araviel on 01/02/2005 01:45:48
speaking of CFS,
i can say as former CFS admiral that SE got very little help from CFS,
the fleets i managed to scramble toghter sometimes usually only consisted of about 10-20% CFS members, the rest was formed up off the people you are now seeing as FIX.
noteworthy is also that alot of FIX members was involved in the forming of UAAC (united allies against CA). while CFS on the other hand didnt wanted anything to do whit it and was talking behind closed doors about getting a NAP whit CA.
saying that CFS helped SE is a joke imho
the ones who really helped SE was FIX and not us in CFS
Uh, FIX didnt exist yet. Esoteria and Paragon soul were well undesiege before CFS started splitting. I remember when solorflare, BIG, Sol'invictus, Minmatar freelancers (or somesuch, i think they were SA for a little while there) and Black Avatar (i'm Fairly Cetrain it was them, they came to c9n and spared with some 7th space cav frigs) would link up with the tattered SA fleets.
the 5 People who can tell you more than any other who came and helped SA in those days were the Regional commanders and the few competant fleet commanders we had in the area. joviah, of tyrell would know specifically what corporations from FA and CFS came, N'fran of everlasting Vendetta can account for the FA corps, Synsapse of Evoution can name the pilots, and rogerwilco and I can name the dates and systems. I never saw the people who would become FIX come and help. I remember XENtec, three of your pilots stayed in a Falcon Wing, SWI Secforce fleet and helped us retake 111.
The help we got from FA and CFS, was admitidly minimal, but that we got was appreciated. that 4 CFS corps had members stay in the area and fight was never forgotten. i only remember 3. Minmatar Freelancers, Black avatar, and solorflare Heavy industries. i even remeber 2 cFS navy Members, one in a tempest, and one in a very potent Maller.
dont Sell CFS short, the help SA got from that area was minimal, as CFS was busy with thier own problems (ATUK and m0o) and FA had a long trip to go. if i ever find out who the ten or eleven CFS die hards were, they have a lot of thanking coming thier way.
I am Jack's broken moral compass. I am Jack's STILL trapped in eve limbo. maybe not for much longer... |
Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2005.02.01 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Uh, FIX didnt exist yet.
Read her post more carefully:
the rest was formed up off the people you are now seeing as FIX.
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Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2005.02.01 05:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Uh, FIX didnt exist yet.
Read her post more carefully:
the rest was formed up off the people you are now seeing as FIX.
Actually I did miss it. the point still being, the very few corps that did help, are all SA or XIF now. or, in the case of the FA corps, still FA.
I am Jack's broken moral compass. I am Jack's STILL trapped in eve limbo. maybe not for much longer... |
S3VYN
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Posted - 2005.02.01 05:55:00 -
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Edited by: S3VYN on 01/02/2005 05:56:35
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Uh, FIX didnt exist yet.
Read her post more carefully:
the rest was formed up off the people you are now seeing as FIX.
Actually I did miss it. the point still being, the very few corps that did help, are all SA or XIF now. or, in the case of the FA corps, still FA.
You're wrong. If you don't trust us, at least turn to your friends in Xetic and ask them, cuz they're saying you're wrong to.
Look, just stop discrediting the contributions FIX and FIX corporations (before they were FIX) have made in the past to SE. SE doesn't like us any more for many various reasons, but one of those reasons is NOT that we have been an unstable or unsupportive neighbor.
Edit: I just noticed you listed BA as one of your corps that came... Who do you think were the founding members of the QDF, which became FIX? Are you really refusing to see this?
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Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2005.02.01 06:00:00 -
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Edited by: Bared Bel'Medar on 01/02/2005 06:07:31
Originally by: S3VYN
Edited by: S3VYN on 01/02/2005 05:56:35
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Uh, FIX didnt exist yet.
Read her post more carefully:
the rest was formed up off the people you are now seeing as FIX.
Actually I did miss it. the point still being, the very few corps that did help, are all SA or XIF now. or, in the case of the FA corps, still FA.
You're wrong. If you don't trust us, at least turn to your friends in Xetic and ask them, cuz they're saying you're wrong to.
Look, just stop discrediting the contributions FIX and FIX corporations (before they were FIX) have made in the past to SE. SE doesn't like us any more for many various reasons, but one of those reasons is NOT that we have been an unstable or unsupportive neighbor.
Edit: I just noticed you listed BA as one of your corps that came... Who do you think were the founding members of the QDF, which became FIX? Are you really refusing to see this?
if you did your bared Prejudice history, you'd know i dnt particularily like Black avatar. thats one of the reasons I take what you say with such a heavy grain of salt. when FA and CFS begab having problems that i was pulled into, it was equally CFS and FA's fault. Thier litlte "Cold war', black avatar was another story, they blatantly sold SA and CFS out. when on SA you ask? when TFA was a part of Stain (yes, my bigest mistake yet, but at least we got sha'karn corp out of the deal), and BA fired the first shots... until then i didnt really care, but the they took shots and i re-examined my loyalties. i personally chose CFS over BA. my peronal Beliefs from SA's hard ties made me infanately more sympathetic towards CFS than any of the deserters, as no matter what you did, leaving makes you a traitor in my eyes (OC helped reinforce this belief). had you stayed CFs, i would trust you, had you sided with CFS, i would trust you. Either would have done worlds for my trust.
It basically comes down to loyalties for me, you stick it out through thick or thin, and the longer and tougher, the more my trust. because FIX didnt tough it out depite CFS problem, I have avery hard time trusting what is said. and thats all i have to say on that.
I am Jack's broken moral compass. I am Jack's STILL trapped in eve limbo. maybe not for much longer... |
Insane Angel
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Posted - 2005.02.01 06:48:00 -
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Bared> FIX/QDF = HUGE BRASS BALLZ
CFS = whinnny carebears that ran and logged unless forced to do something by FIX/QDF member corps
CFS never cleared the a2 corridor unless it was BA back then.
I was always in Delve and in Querious. EVEM was pre trial FA members for almost 3 months and when we became full members we still worked alot down there.
The ONLY corps I had seen there were BA and Asendacy(spelling). Now I wasnt there 23/7 to see it all and defend.
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Tamora
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Posted - 2005.02.01 09:07:00 -
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The first few reponses in this thread were pure class. Laugh... I nearly followed through.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2005.02.01 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: S3VYN
Edited by: S3VYN on 01/02/2005 05:56:35
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Uh, FIX didnt exist yet.
Read her post more carefully:
the rest was formed up off the people you are now seeing as FIX.
Actually I did miss it. the point still being, the very few corps that did help, are all SA or XIF now. or, in the case of the FA corps, still FA.
You're wrong. If you don't trust us, at least turn to your friends in Xetic and ask them, cuz they're saying you're wrong to.
Look, just stop discrediting the contributions FIX and FIX corporations (before they were FIX) have made in the past to SE. SE doesn't like us any more for many various reasons, but one of those reasons is NOT that we have been an unstable or unsupportive neighbor.
Edit: I just noticed you listed BA as one of your corps that came... Who do you think were the founding members of the QDF, which became FIX? Are you really refusing to see this?
I always find it funny how some people keep arguing about totally inconsquential matters with such wasted zeal, while all hell is already breaking loose around them.
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m0jo
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Posted - 2005.02.01 09:36:00 -
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WHOA!!!!! Wait a minute...wtf!?!?!?!?!? I thought BoB was the new "CA". Everyone is supposed to hate us goddemit. Ok well now you have stole our thunder FA and I am coming for joo!!!!
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Smith
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Posted - 2005.02.01 09:56:00 -
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And more politics.
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siim
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Posted - 2005.02.01 20:51:00 -
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is FA gonna be like PA ?
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Messerschmitt facility
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Posted - 2005.02.02 01:13:00 -
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Edited by: Messerschmitt facility on 02/02/2005 01:13:13
Nice fight until now
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Elixire
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Posted - 2005.02.02 01:14:00 -
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When the heck FA is defending FIX?
Quote:The Fountain Alliance will retaliate without any prior warning and with any means deemed necessary to any hostile acts against our partners and allies.
Yea right, 2 days now and FA didnt do nothing. Poor little scared people
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Garramon
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Posted - 2005.02.02 01:55:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Elixire
When the heck FA is defending FIX?
Quote:The Fountain Alliance will retaliate without any prior warning and with any means deemed necessary to any hostile acts against our partners and allies.
Yea right, 2 days now and FA didnt do nothing. Poor little scared people
I am no diplomat, but I would imagine it is due to the visitors in the Fountain region.
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2005.02.02 04:14:00 -
[126]
Originally by: m0jo
WHOA!!!!! Wait a minute...wtf!?!?!?!?!? I thought BoB was the new "CA". Everyone is supposed to hate us goddemit. Ok well now you have stole our thunder FA and I am coming for joo!!!!
Yeah, I don't get it, we try to be nice and people hate us ("down with FA!") and BoB tries to be as big and evil as possible and people treat you like the 2nd Coming or something.
Guess to truly be liked in Eve you have to either be evil and kill everyone (like BoB or m0o or CA) or be slimy, backstabbing bastards (like certain ex-FA corps I won't mention) or simply slimy hateful bastards (like most of ex-CFS).
Wierd world we play in.
To be honest though, if the people in this game that hate me and my alliance currently liked us, I'd be worried... so it's probably best that the people that hate us hate us.
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2005.02.02 04:40:00 -
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Edited by: Aerick Dawn on 02/02/2005 04:41:31
Ronyo, if your talking about certain ex FA backstabbing bastards. I am ex FA, and indeed we were certainly stabbed in the back. I see the new "revolutionary" exFA as people who have finally had the courage to stand up and be heard. If this is called backstabbing, it just tells me the sad state of affairs still hasn't changed with the high command and FA's people that defend their homes despite having their loyalties being called into question many times.
My thoughts haven't really changed on what FA is, my outlooks on certain pilots have changed and am quite friendly with most, however as it stands, my hatred for FA as a whole hasn't changed considering as a whole FA hasn't changed it's disconnect between its leaders and it's combat pilots.
Ex-CA pilots are the ones who left the slimy bastards who ran the alliance into the ground. I'd lay it all down for each and every one of them, if you see that as a terrible thing, it honestly doesn't surprise me.
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2005.02.02 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Aerick Dawn
...considering as a whole FA hasn't changed it's disconnect between its leaders and it's combat pilots.
You know, it's the wierdest thing that some people say that...
...considering that the FA's leaders are often those who are some of the most hardcore combat pilots. (myself, Insane Angel, TornSoul, and most other FA leaders)
If there is a "disconnect" it would seem to be an in-corp issue between corp leaders and pilots, not an alliance issue.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.02 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki
...considering that the FA's leaders are often those who are some of the most hardcore combat pilots. (myself, Insane Angel, TornSoul, and most other FA leaders)
That made me laugh.
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thelung187
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Posted - 2005.02.02 12:21:00 -
[130]
Edited by: thelung187 on 02/02/2005 12:21:50
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki
...considering that the FA's leaders are often those who are some of the most hardcore combat pilots. (myself, Insane Angel, TornSoul, and most other FA leaders)
That made me laugh.
LMAO, agreed, I saw Tornsoul in an apoc during the CFS war *once*. Other than that, saw him in local for the Jovian event, and that was it for the ~9 months I was in FA.
[ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something |
Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2005.02.02 12:43:00 -
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Perhaps you have not, but I have, and quite a bit as well.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.02 12:54:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki
Perhaps you have not, but I have, and quite a bit as well.
suppose that must have been very recent. Didnt see him in the FE war / PB campaign / Stain campaign / 1.+2. Curse campaign or the following defence of FA against ca's "invasion/roadtrip".
Ive yet to see him in the Atuk/FA war so keep it up, dont wanna demotivate him :)
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thelung187
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Posted - 2005.02.02 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: thelung187 on 02/02/2005 13:45:36
Indeed, refresh my memory as to when he was in *any* of the gangs when VOTF and Co. first moved into Outer Rings/Syndicate. Or for that matter, during the first BoB incursion. Not that it matters to me anymore, just pointing out hypocrisy.
[ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something |
Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2005.02.02 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Aerick Dawn on 02/02/2005 14:19:40
you left FA lung!?!??!?
whoa. :)
Enjoy the freedom mate. :)
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thelung187
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Posted - 2005.02.02 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: thelung187 on 02/02/2005 14:29:29
Indeed, it's been ****in' awesome in ATUK, freedom and ganking 4tw
[ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something |
Detaitiv
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Posted - 2005.02.02 16:03:00 -
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Thing with lung is funny.
He asks to take a more active role in FA politically. I support him. Have a few arguments with other FA people to get him enough status to have a role diplomatically. He runs off and joins a corp that's attacking FA.
And it's FA who people call backstabbers. Nice colors they put on reality.
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thelung187
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Posted - 2005.02.02 16:58:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Detaitiv
Thing with lung is funny.
He asks to take a more active role in FA politically. I support him. Have a few arguments with other FA people to get him enough status to have a role diplomatically. He runs off and joins a corp that's attacking FA.
And it's FA who people call backstabbers. Nice colors they put on reality.
Thing with FA is funny.
I come into the alliance, fight for it, lose ships and clones for it, but where were you Det? Oh right, per StellarSheep's post, BIG apparently just does it's own thing. Remind me again, who owned the station in TPAR pre-CFS? Remind me again, why did the whole alliance go down there and "stabilize" the region? What good did it do for the alliance? Oh wait, it was just some "PVP fun", right Tornsoul? Or was it the reminder from Det himself that "you realize SA will attack us at some point", right? Good to see that all worked out for you.
I asked to take a more active role because I thought it would matter when I had something to say. Ultimately, how many times did I offer advice where it was actually taken? How many times was I told to "calm down" in meetings, kicked from channels all together, or outright ignored? If you didn't want my help or opinion, you should have just said so in the first place.
People may call FA backstabbers, I never have. Hypocrites, maybe. But I don't see how multiple corps on the HC can think something is a good idea, diplomatic leaders think it's a good idea, but ultimately it's up to Detaitiv or Tornsoul as to whether it actually gets done. The colors FA's PR department puts on reality put's Joseph's Technicolor Dreamcoat to shame, so spare me your holier-than-thou, condescending attitude. The more I look at FA now from a 3rd part perspective, the happier I am that I'm shooting you, it's nubtards like Detaitiv that are the root of the problem.
[ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something |
Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.02 17:15:00 -
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lung dont try to talk to them, it simply wont work.
The FA calls everyone who leaves them "backstabbers" regardless how much time went or what leaded to your leaving.
Thats a general missunderstanding of the concept of leaving.
On a sidenote youre right, BIG not FA roamed in the income from tpar and Big was it preventing the stabilisation of the region in the first place cause they didnt wanna lose their pocketmoney.
Btw just to mention Big's "big" involvement in the war. So far ive not seen a big battleship. Seems odd one of the richest corps ingame only using frigs and shuttles. Your meatshields (aka the other fa corps) sufferning the financial blows while the richos wiggle around in frigs  tells you something about the whole "unity" thing...
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Cherok
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Posted - 2005.02.02 17:41:00 -
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Mr. Lung, I realize that I never really talked to you much but I did listen to you and stuck up for you at times during some meetings. Honestly I'd say that you have a very direct and at times 'rude' way of getting your point across. Perhaps this was out of frustration or perhaps this is just the way you do things...either way from what I saw you were kicked and such because of your rudness and how you were interrupting the flow of the meeting.
As for you and others leaving the alliance, I have no beef over that...its a game, your free to do as you choose and by all means have fun doing it. However, to hold a grudge and try to make FA look bad is in poor taste IMO. You fought along side many of us for a long time...then turn around and attack us without any notice. To me that makes you very untrustworthy. If I were in ATUK I'd think about that. This person fighting with me today could turn and shoot me tomorrow without even a word. A person who knows all your comm. lines and gets to know you and your corp/alliance will eventually use this against you virtually overnight.
Now if you would have come out and said that you were going to leave the alliance and leave on good terms, join ATUK and eventually this brought you around to shooting us, I would understand. But what I get out of this is you wanted to kill as many FA as you could so you join ATUK as they were actively fighting us.
If you had a bone to pick with certain people in the allinace, why do you now feel the need to attack everyone in the alliance? Did that seem more rational? Or is it simply more fun to just kill all the people who thought you were a friend?
This is a game and in the end its all about having fun. However, SOME people keep their word. SOME people understand the meaning of loyalty, friendship and their WORD actually comes to mean fact. I've been in FA for a long time and while some of the things you mentioned I understand and disagreed with as well...but when it comes to working with other people and other corporations, of COURSE we aren't all going to get along. Some choose to get along with others for the greater good...some people act immaturely about it and run away as soon as they don't get their way. I'm sorry you and others choose the later.
Again, its a game. Lets have fun ... see you in space!
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benwallace
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Posted - 2005.02.02 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Detaitiv
Thing with lung is funny.
He asks to take a more active role in FA politically. I support him. Have a few arguments with other FA people to get him enough status to have a role diplomatically. He runs off and joins a corp that's attacking FA.
And it's FA who people call backstabbers. Nice colors they put on reality.
thelung rules I went ganking with him
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Cherok
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Posted - 2005.02.02 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Cherok on 02/02/2005 18:00:32
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Btw just to mention Big's "big" involvement in the war. So far ive not seen a big battleship. Seems odd one of the richest corps ingame only using frigs and shuttles. Your meatshields (aka the other fa corps) sufferning the financial blows while the richos wiggle around in frigs tells you something about the whole "unity" thing...
About this meatshield conspiracy theory that people love to throw around. My corp has been in FA a long time and we have always been in all the wars. We have fought and killed / lost ships for the allinace and such so I guess this would make us a 'meat shield'. However, has anyone else in this game ever actually had fun PVPing? Has anyone else had a blast killing and being killed? I mean, this may seem weird to some people here, but DAMN, I'm having a very good time fighting.
To think that everyone in FA are slaves of a couple corporations is simply laughable. You honestly think that I run around killing people because I'm ordered by BIG or XANADU to do so? Or perhaps its some trickery they pulled on me over a year ago thats doing it?
At any moment my corporation or any others within FA could leave. But we don't...why? Because Fountain has always been a great place to live and a good bunch of people who are in it. We don't go out of our ways to attack friends...we don't backstab our allies...we always try to play the good guy. As of late, we have been getting a lot of bad PR and some PVP entities in the game have been fighting us. Mostly former FA people who didn't get their way in the alliance and as such are now trying to force their wills on the alliance. I honestly love the PVP aspect as I don't have to go all the way to Curse to get action...the bad PR stuff...I attribute this to the forum boys who monitor these forums as if their life depends on it. Then jump on any post that MIGHT go against their agendas.
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Detaitiv
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Posted - 2005.02.02 18:30:00 -
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Quote:
where were you Det
I was mostly in CA space when there was a CA. I died a lot.
Quote:
Det himself that "you realize SA will attack us at some point"
And I've also discussed SA attacking us with SA on a few occasions. I guess that makes me a bad person to even mention the concept. I love some SE guys, but that doesn't mean we'll never end up shooting at eachother at some point in this game. You seem to not understand that if you end up as someones enemy that doesnt mean you have to backstab and hate them. You can try just being upfront and honest and respect them. If for some reason We do see conflict open up between us I'd really like to see it as the latter.
Quote:
How many times was I told to "calm down" in meetings, kicked from channels all together, or outright ignored?
I was unaware you felt you were not being listened to, as I'm not much for meetings myself. Apologies.
On TPAR and Tornsoul and my woefully inadequate PR, you have some points. We have held on to TPAR much longer than we should have. Tornsoul should lesson his role in FA as his corp and various projects are needing his attention. And my PR skills are terrible, as I've said to other FA people many time. I have neither the time nor the proper amount of concern to be effective.
I hope my recognition of our imperfections has made you feel better about betraying us.
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thelung187
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Posted - 2005.02.02 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Cherok
...then turn around and attack us without any notice.
What might the statute of limitations be on "notice"? I sent out a corpmail saying I was leaving, hell I told Travling 2 weeks beforehand that I was thinking of leaving. And gatecamping YZ =! PVP, as I have discovered since my departure.
Originally by: Cherok
run away as soon as they don't get their way
please, if that was the case, I would've left with the rest of the original MACE crew.
Originally by: Detaitiv
I was mostly in CA space when there was a CA. I died a lot.
Congrats, you were needed elsewhere.
Originally by: Detaitiv
And I've also discussed SA attacking us with SA on a few occasions. I guess that makes me a bad person to even mention the concept. I love some SE guys, but that doesn't mean we'll never end up shooting at eachother at some point in this game. You seem to not understand that if you end up as someones enemy that doesnt mean you have to backstab and hate them. You can try just being upfront and honest and respect them. If for some reason We do see conflict open up between us I'd really like to see it as the latter.
Apparently this courtesy to befriend your enemies is only afforded to you. I don't hate all of FA, just certain members. I still think Robbie, Insane Angel, Silent Ronin, and others are friends of mine, despite the fact that Robbie was on the killmail for my scorp on Saturday.
Originally by: Detaitiv
On TPAR and Tornsoul and my woefully inadequate PR, you have some points. We have held on to TPAR much longer than we should have. Tornsoul should lesson his role in FA as his corp and various projects are needing his attention. And my PR skills are terrible, as I've said to other FA people many time. I have neither the time nor the proper amount of concern to be effective.
I hope my recognition of our imperfections has made you feel better about betraying us.
A bit of truth here I say, congratulations. And yes, I do feel better, though you misintepret my personal exodus as betrayal versus a simple change of pace and a reunification with old friends, as well as making new ones who ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE.
[ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something |
Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.02 21:19:00 -
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Once again the deluded view of FA is shown...
-If you leave FA you are only allowed to do what is good for FA
-If you ever come across FA and shoot them or they you, its YOUR FAULT and you are a BACKSTABBER (eventho you left).
-If you have 20 friends in FA (in this game) you are not allowed to attack the other 1000+ players you dont know and have never bothered with, cause thats illoyal.
-If you disagree with FA or shoot down their ships you are a traitor (eventho you are in a different corp now and follow your corps orders)
-If you are in a corp you must persuade your non ex-fa corpmembers to love FA otherwise you are again a backstabber.
Is anyone of you chaps taking this game abit too personal ?
P.S. i play this game for fun, Baun is one of my friends and after a fight against each other we can have a laugh and say GG or good tactic. Maybe you should rework your view on the game abit and you will start to enjoy it (and maybe make friends who dont feel after awhile in fa like vomiting and leave to shoot the dorks in the FA)
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thelung187
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Posted - 2005.02.02 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim
Once again the deluded view of FA is shown...
-If you leave FA you are only allowed to do what is good for FA
-If you ever come across FA and shoot them or they you, its YOUR FAULT and you are a BACKSTABBER (eventho you left).
-If you have 20 friends in FA (in this game) you are not allowed to attack the other 1000+ players you dont know and have never bothered with, cause thats illoyal.
-If you disagree with FA or shoot down their ships you are a traitor (eventho you are in a different corp now and follow your corps orders)
-If you are in a corp you must persuade your non ex-fa corpmembers to love FA otherwise you are again a backstabber.
Is anyone of you chaps taking this game abit too personal ?
P.S. i play this game for fun, Baun is one of my friends and after a fight against each other we can have a laugh and say GG or good tactic. Maybe you should rework your view on the game abit and you will start to enjoy it (and maybe make friends who dont feel after awhile in fa like vomiting and leave to shoot the dorks in the FA)
I absolutely could not have put it better myself, summed up perfectly.
[ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something |
Baun
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Posted - 2005.02.02 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 02/02/2005 22:01:44
Edited by: Baun on 02/02/2005 22:00:38
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Once again the deluded view of FA is shown...
-If you leave FA you are only allowed to do what is good for FA
-If you ever come across FA and shoot them or they you, its YOUR FAULT and you are a BACKSTABBER (eventho you left).
-If you have 20 friends in FA (in this game) you are not allowed to attack the other 1000+ players you dont know and have never bothered with, cause thats illoyal.
-If you disagree with FA or shoot down their ships you are a traitor (eventho you are in a different corp now and follow your corps orders)
-If you are in a corp you must persuade your non ex-fa corpmembers to love FA otherwise you are again a backstabber.
Is anyone of you chaps taking this game abit too personal ?
P.S. i play this game for fun, Baun is one of my friends and after a fight against each other we can have a laugh and say GG or good tactic. Maybe you should rework your view on the game abit and you will start to enjoy it (and maybe make friends who dont feel after awhile in fa like vomiting and leave to shoot the dorks in the FA)
Repsectfully Focht I think you are missing the key aspect of this; It is very much one thing to decide that you disagree with Alliance policy and as a result cannot be in the Alliance and it is another to remain within the Alliance and attempt to subvert it whilst you are listened to and put in positions to effect change.
More or less Mace did the former (this includes, in my mind, alot of the people that left for ATUK from DMGI along time ago). You guys decided that you no longer wanted to be a part of Xanadu or the FA so you left and went on your own way. I know that some people felt betrayed by that, but I think that mostly stemmed from things internal to XAN and did not have alot to do with the FA view of you guys. I was just saddened to lose people like you and pistool (while being delighted to lose others) and didn't really mind too much that others decided to follow a new/different path. There is little need for a conflict like this to become personal (though the agendas of those who tend to motivate both sides of a conflict like this usually *are* personal).
Jazz did the latter. While in the alliance they attempted to subvert it even while they (and their ideas) were listened to and often acted upon. Even while their participation and power within the Alliance were increasing they were plotting their next move. Apparently all of the shared power and improvements they claimed they wanted had very little to do with their actual agenda. At the drop of a dime they split and attacked us. *That* is betrayal and we all have every right to be furious about it. The same can be argued about those who left to join the attacking corps days or hours before they attacked us. This is when it gets personal.
I agree that certain perceptions of some people are clouded, but when you have been betrayed on both large and small scales several times in a short time frame I believe that points as fine as the one I am attempting to explain often become confused.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.02 22:13:00 -
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Well baun, alliances are full of powerplay and backhanded deals and always have been (hence why i dislike them and dont see a point in beeing part of them).
An alliance, once it reached 5-6 corps and above will consist of ppl who play for the mutual benefit and for the personal benefit aswell.
Once an alliance grows to 1000 members ppl will look out for their own profit.
Big does it, Xan does it, AFDT does it any many others in every alliance in this game. Thats natural.
Jazz wanted maybe more power OR changes (depending on your own pov) and apparently they found alot of ppl thinking alike within the fa.
While talking and thinking about such a thing is not betrayal, executing is. (We both were FA on the last occasion this happened up there).
Do not judge them to hard for what is common sense just because it happened to you. We both know FA was build on "doing backdoor politics" and "devide and conquer" in its foreign politics.
If the FA (not you my friend) despise these tactics they would surely have kept their hands of it in the first place, now acting like a hurting poor victim when it happens to you is somewhat hypocritical.
However, Jazz wasnt kicked they left when they saw their ideals or plans not going to work. So dont twist it too much on them :)
P.S. You cant blame anyone for trying to get more or raising in the ranks of power.
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Baun
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Posted - 2005.02.02 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim
Well baun, alliances are full of powerplay and backhanded deals and always have been (hence why i dislike them and dont see a point in beeing part of them).
An alliance, once it reached 5-6 corps and above will consist of ppl who play for the mutual benefit and for the personal benefit aswell.
Once an alliance grows to 1000 members ppl will look out for their own profit.
Big does it, Xan does it, AFDT does it any many others in every alliance in this game. Thats natural.
Jazz wanted maybe more power OR changes (depending on your own pov) and apparently they found alot of ppl thinking alike within the fa.
While talking and thinking about such a thing is not betrayal, executing is. (We both were FA on the last occasion this happened up there).
Do not judge them to hard for what is common sense just because it happened to you. We both know FA was build on "doing backdoor politics" and "devide and conquer" in its foreign politics.
I don't disagree with most of that but the question you posed is why it has to get personal. It is one thing to try to position yourself well it is another one to spit in the face of those you have fought and died with because the wind starts blowing in another direction.
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If the FA (not you my friend) despise these tactics they would surely have kept their hands of it in the first place, now acting like a hurting poor victim when it happens to you is somewhat hypocritical.
There is a line and it was crossed. It is one thing to protect your own interests within the frame of those you are allied with. It is quite another to disingenuously ask for things which you are then given while all the while having another agenda aimed at attacking those with which you are allied.
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However, Jazz wasnt kicked they left when they saw their ideals or plans not going to work. So dont twist it too much on them :)
Actually they had their PvP wing attack us and left about 2 days before ATUK was going to attack because they were told to do so by those they were working with. Then again if you believe the crap spouted on the forums you would think that we raped their wives and then bankrupted them (rather than patiently listening to them, accomodating them for months, and then treating them as neutrals even as they attacked us).
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Kell Sendaka
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Posted - 2005.02.03 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Baun
Actually they had their PvP wing attack us and left about 2 days before ATUK was going to attack because they were told to do so by those they were working with. Then again if you believe the crap spouted on the forums you would think that we raped their wives and then bankrupted them (rather than patiently listening to them, accomodating them for months, and then treating them as neutrals even as they attacked us).
So this is where the misunderstanding is. Jazz decided to leave, our PVP wing then decided they were going to break away and form a new corp "to not tarnish our name". ARTW then decided to attack on thier own volition FA forces, which we did not agree with and did not know about until it irrupted on here. Tbh ARTW didnt think about us as they were not us anymore. They jumped the gun somewhat but other than going around thier house and taking a sledge hammer to thier computer there was not a lot we could do about it. We never ordered them to do it but I dont expect you to beleive that.
Your actions because of it made us support them.
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