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Neutrino Sunset Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.02.19 11:29:00 - [1] I seem to recall that CCP always assured us that WIS would be optional. The dev blog about the captain's quarters appears to indicate that it will in fact be the default and mandatory. Did I miss a memo or something?
Everinsearch	Posted - 2011.02.19 11:34:00 - [2] What if you just wanna dock and transfer some things to the hangar, you should not be forced to exit your pod every time you dock. A link to a necro dev blog would be nice.
Kacer Xenro Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2011.02.19 11:50:00 - [3] Edited by: Kacer Xenro on 19/02/2011 11:50:51 tze devblog fail troll is fail, go back to your cage: Quote: One important requirement in our approach to CaptainÆs Quarters is that none of it will get in the way of a veteran player. You can dock, repair and refit your ship, dump your cargo into your hangar inventory and talk to agents with the same ease as you currently have.
Cyaxares II	Posted - 2011.02.19 12:03:00 - [4] Edited by: Cyaxares II on 19/02/2011 12:04:18 Originally by: Kacer Xenro Edited by: Kacer Xenro on 19/02/2011 11:50:51 tze devblog fail troll is fail, go back to your cage: Quote: One important requirement in our approach to CaptainÆs Quarters is that none of it will get in the way of a veteran player. You can dock, repair and refit your ship, dump your cargo into your hangar inventory and talk to agents with the same ease as you currently have. l2r sounds very much like Incarna will be mandatory for the new player experience/tutorials (which in turn are pretty much mandatory to start playing EVE).
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic	Posted - 2011.02.19 12:07:00 - [5] Edited by: Copine Callmeknau on 19/02/2011 12:07:53 Originally by: Kacer Xenro Edited by: Kacer Xenro on 19/02/2011 11:50:51 tze devblog fail troll is fail, go back to your cage: Quote: One important requirement in our approach to CaptainÆs Quarters is that none of it will get in the way of a veteran player. You can dock, repair and refit your ship, dump your cargo into your hangar inventory and talk to agents with the same ease as you currently have. @OP 0/10 troll gtfo, your opinion is meaningless Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3
James Tiberius Kirk	Posted - 2011.02.19 12:15:00 - [6] Quote: Another big change is that the current station hangar will be replaced with an enhanced balcony view where your character can gaze upwards at the majesty of your vessel as it looms above you inside the station. When you dock you will appear on the balcony by default Quote: Quote: When you dock you will appear on the balcony by default
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.02.19 12:16:00 - [7] Originally by: Copine Callmeknau @OP 0/10 troll gtfo, your opinion is meaningless You could learn to read, and understand that yes, WIS is going to be mandatory since the moment you dock you'll be on the balcony of the captain's quarters, looking up at your ship. This upsets me because (a) CCP only just promised that WIS would be optional, (b) my computer can't handle the station environment, and (c) we miss out on the de-podding cutscene we were promised :\ -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Chinwe Rhei Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.02.19 12:16:00 - [8] Yes it will be the default, otherwise that would defeat the purpose of attracting new players to the game. No it wouldn't be mandatory, you can probably turn it off in options just like you can turn off space station interior in options right now. Some future things will probably only be accessible in avatar mode, but that's just relevant content like games and Incarna related economy. If that isn't good enough for you, i'll gladly take care of your stuff.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2011.02.19 12:39:00 - [9] I don't know what's going on but I'm terribly upset about it. --------
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.02.19 12:45:00 - [10] Well if you want to enjoy new content, its mandatory. Our expansions for the next 3 years will just consist of tiny chunks of Incarna trickled in and nothing else of value. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.

sableye principle of motion	Posted - 2011.02.19 13:38:00 - [11] the dev blog says it won;t take you any longer todo stuff in it that it does now or as close as they can possibly get. ----------------------------------------- View The North Star! In All Its Glory!!
Kylira Ulfrinn Blackstaff Logistics	Posted - 2011.02.19 13:45:00 - [12] Do people here think that 'default' and 'mandatory' are the same words? Why do you people think that? They mean two different things.
Jimmy Jazz Warp Asylum Ltd	Posted - 2011.02.19 13:50:00 - [13] Technically that'd only be Standing in Stations. What's the problem?
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.02.19 13:52:00 - [14] Originally by: Kylira Ulfrinn Do people here think that 'default' and 'mandatory' are the same words? Why do you people think that? They mean two different things. They don't if the default can not be turned off. In that case 'default' is subsumed by mandatory. CCP could clarify for those of us who prefer communications that are a little more precise. By the way, real men biomass when they emoragequit.
Brooks Puuntai Minmatar Nomadic Asylum	Posted - 2011.02.19 13:53:00 - [15] Edited by: Brooks Puuntai on 19/02/2011 13:53:22 So long as I can still station spin, and sometimes spin my female Jita alt(yeah iam a perv so what) then iam all good.
Kylira Ulfrinn Blackstaff Logistics	Posted - 2011.02.19 13:55:00 - [16] Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Originally by: Kylira Ulfrinn Do people here think that 'default' and 'mandatory' are the same words? Why do you people think that? They mean two different things. They don't if the default can not be turned off. In that case 'default' is subsumed by mandatory. CCP could clarify for those of us who prefer communications that are a little more precise. I'd infer that use of the term 'by default' would suggest the presence of alternative options.
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.02.19 14:00:00 - [17] Originally by: Kylira Ulfrinn Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Originally by: Kylira Ulfrinn Do people here think that 'default' and 'mandatory' are the same words? Why do you people think that? They mean two different things. They don't if the default can not be turned off. In that case 'default' is subsumed by mandatory. CCP could clarify for those of us who prefer communications that are a little more precise. I'd infer that use of the term 'by default' would suggest the presence of alternative options. This is a fair assumption. But I don't want assumptions, I want facts. By the way, real men biomass when they emoragequit.
Castor II Gallente Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.02.19 14:00:00 - [18] The way I see it, objects in the captain's quarters will replace the buttons in the station interface, and the other "Incarna stuff" can be accessed by walking out of the quarters. Also \o corpies
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2011.02.19 14:05:00 - [19] How to spot an Incarna troll, Part 1: A genuine complaint about Incarna will look something like this: "I am afraid that the addition of Incarna implies a mandatory switch to new mechanics for current processes such as fitting ships, utilising the market and communicating with agents which, in the interest of immersion, will be less efficient than the current mechanics, costing me time." A troll, on the other hand, looks like this: "WAH WAH WAH SHIP SPINNING WILL NOW BE SHIP SPINNING WITH A BALCONY ON SCREEN WAH WAH WAH". Now you know. Fly safe. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Kieron VonDeux	Posted - 2011.02.19 14:07:00 - [20] Originally by: Neutrino Sunset I seem to recall that CCP always assured us that WIS would be optional. The dev blog about the captain's quarters appears to indicate that it will in fact be the default and mandatory. Did I miss a memo or something? I never saw anything about mandatory. You added that. Mandatory is only one option. Default implies more than one option. Default yes, but you can change that. That's what "default" means, something changable.

MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.19 14:07:00 - [21] Originally by: Mara Rinn Originally by: Copine Callmeknau @OP 0/10 troll gtfo, your opinion is meaningless You could learn to read, and understand that yes, WIS is going to be mandatory since the moment you dock you'll be on the balcony of the captain's quarters, looking up at your ship. This upsets me because (a) CCP only just promised that WIS would be optional, (b) my computer can't handle the station environment, and (c) we miss out on the de-podding cutscene we were promised :\ DEFAULT =! MANDATORY Please STOP wildly speculating and reading into **** that simply just isn't there. Fat chance... I know . Carry on. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.02.19 14:09:00 - [22] àand even if they didn't mean "by default" like they wrote, so what? "Balcony view" ≡ looking at your ship in its hangar. Since we already have exactly that, why is this such a huge upsetting change? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Kylira Ulfrinn Blackstaff Logistics	Posted - 2011.02.19 14:12:00 - [23] Originally by: Tippia àand even if they didn't mean "by default" like they wrote, so what? "Balcony view" ≡ looking at your ship in its hangar. Since we already have exactly that, why is this such a huge upsetting change? because new things = scary because "CCP IS WASTING RESOURCES ON IMPROVING PARTS OF THEIR GAME THAT I PERSONALLY AM NOT VERY INTERESTED IN" because "WiS IS JUST BEING ADDED TO ATTRACT NEW SUBS, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT NEW PLAYERS ARE DUMB AND STUPID AND THAT WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE ANY NEW PLAYERS" etc.
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.02.19 14:19:00 - [24] this thread became quite the semantic posting. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2011.02.19 14:27:00 - [25] Originally by: Neutrino Sunset Did I miss a memo or something? Yes. Everything. Taraaa. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.02.19 14:30:00 - [26] Originally by: Kylira Ulfrinn Originally by: Tippia àand even if they didn't mean "by default" like they wrote, so what? "Balcony view" ≡ looking at your ship in its hangar. Since we already have exactly that, why is this such a huge upsetting change? because new things = scary No, imprecise language = incomplete/imprecise communication. By the way, real men biomass when they emoragequit.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.02.19 14:36:00 - [27] Edited by: Tippia on 19/02/2011 14:36:18 Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium No, imprecise language = incomplete/imprecise communication. It's not imprecise. "By default" means it's not mandatory. It may be incorrect language (because they actually meant something other than "by default"), but the wording is not imprecise. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.02.19 14:40:00 - [28] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 19/02/2011 14:36:18 Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium No, imprecise language = incomplete/imprecise communication. It's not imprecise. "By default" means it's not mandatory. It may be incorrect language (because they actually meant something other than "by default"), but the wording is not imprecise. So what you're saying is that incorrect language can be precise. Which is garbage, if it is incorrect, it is not precise, because it is not communicating the message that was intended. If it is doing both, then this message still may mean mandatory. For example, if I jump through a gate, my modules shut off by default. But I can not choose for this not to happen, this is mandatory. By the way, real men biomass when they emoragequit.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2011.02.19 14:43:00 - [29] Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium So what you're saying is that incorrect language can be precise. Which is garbage Of course it can. This thread has gone from bad to terrible. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.02.19 14:44:00 - [30] Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium So what you're saying is that incorrect language can be precise. Yes. It's not even particularly difficult. Just use a very technical term to describe something that the term is not meant to describe. You've now described with high precision what that something isà except that you're quite wrong. Quote: For example, if I jump through a gate, my modules shut off by default. But I can not choose for this not to happen, this is mandatory. No, your modules are not shut off by default. They are shut off automatically. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki



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