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Shimatu
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Posted - 2005.01.31 10:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Luc Boye
Originally by: Shimatu
a lone interceptor *cannot* pwn any BS with a semi-decent pilot. what it can do, unless the pilot has countermeasures (eg. heavy noss, neut, hi-tracking guns, drones, long range webber, probly more things too), is hold a BS there until reinforcements arrive. As youd expect from an *interceptor*. and ok, yes, a bunch of them working together can beat a battleship (assuming as before that it doesnt have any countermeasures.) but thats teamwork, and so it should be better than a loner.
Linkage
why no drones? if he'd launched a flight of drones, i think a taranis would have had problems... or a noss/neut....
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Tar om
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Posted - 2005.01.31 10:22:00 -
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So after a full cycle of painful nerfs - the BS turret tracking nerfs, propulsion nerfs, shield tanking nerfs, inty nerfs we are left, 6 months later(?) with exactly the same situation we were in before, namely BATTLESHIP RULES ALL.
Except its the Raven instead of the Tempest and the server lag is immense due to all the extra calculations.
wtg CCP you rox
/sarcasm
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2005.01.31 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Darkwolf
All this nerfing against speed setups just smacks to me of a lack of willingness to resolve the REAL issue, which is the over-importance of speed in the first place.
Rant over.
The over-importance of speed is the by product of missile mechanics.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2005.01.31 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tar om
So after a full cycle of painful nerfs - the BS turret tracking nerfs, propulsion nerfs, shield tanking nerfs, inty nerfs we are left, 6 months later(?) with exactly the same situation we were in before, namely BATTLESHIP RULES ALL.
Except its the Raven instead of the Tempest and the server lag is immense due to all the extra calculations.
wtg CCP you rox
/sarcasm
In a couple of fell swoops Exodus destroys what Castor had thrived to bring and had achieved.
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2005.01.31 10:31:00 -
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Is it the t1 version to?
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Lomong
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Posted - 2005.01.31 10:36:00 -
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No, only T2. Which means that in the case of AB's, the Gistii AB becomes a viable choice for a pure combat setup.
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2005.01.31 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: Dust Puppy on 31/01/2005 10:38:21
So basically everyone can still use the slightly worse t1 and named mwd's but yet people are crying like there is no tomorrow.
Edit: Don't get me wrong this is of course evil nerf but the sky isn't falling.
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Hunt Smacker
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Posted - 2005.01.31 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: Hunt Smacker on 31/01/2005 11:03:16
Quote:
a lone interceptor *cannot* pwn any BS with a semi-decent pilot. what it can do, unless the pilot has countermeasures (eg. heavy noss, neut, hi-tracking guns, drones, long range webber, probly more things too), is hold a BS there until reinforcements arrive. As youd expect from an *interceptor*. and ok, yes, a bunch of them working together can beat a battleship (assuming as before that it doesnt have any countermeasures.) but thats teamwork, and so it should be better than a loner
Unless your in a Blasterthron, and you get ganked by Inties while your tackling an NPC BS spawn with it's escorts - Then the BS moves out of range as the Inties web you, and thus begins a very slow death. That's what happened to me, I was only rigged for NPC hunting (someone took my accomodation!), so the tank slowly couldn't keep up, while the cap was still at 70%.... Boy that was annoying, but made a great desktop ;)
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fras
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Posted - 2005.01.31 12:56:00 -
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.01.31 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dust Puppy
Edited by: Dust Puppy on 31/01/2005 10:38:21
So basically everyone can still use the slightly worse t1 and named mwd's but yet people are crying like there is no tomorrow.
Edit: Don't get me wrong this is of course evil nerf but the sky isn't falling.
They're not "slightly" worse. They're CONSIDERABLY worse. When fighting larger ships the extra speed the MWDII gives you, WITHOUT added sig penalty, adds to your margin against being hit by turrets.
Removing a good portion of that margin is NOT good for interceptors.
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JaiMaster
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Posted - 2005.01.31 13:49:00 -
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didums
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Skill points. ISK. Ships, rare equipment. Its all just a means to an end...
Your end.
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2005.01.31 14:50:00 -
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Nice stealth NERF 4 da win CCP...
How about getting dev. to change this stuff back now 
Informing your group of players "why" before making a change is usually the right way to do "things"...
3 MW will mess up lots of players Setups... So its kinda of big deal...
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BrerLapin
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Posted - 2005.01.31 16:48:00 -
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TBH sounds like their addressing an imbalance.
A frigate shouldnt be able to scratch a battleship, well it should but only under high acceleration & smashing an interceptor of the deckplates is only gonna mess up the paint scheme.
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lythos miralbar
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Posted - 2005.01.31 17:04:00 -
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You guys make me laugh 
My heart bleeds for you now that you'll be slightly slower than before..
I can fit a tech II AB on my harpy and orbit an apoc at 20km doing 500m/s.. and he cant hit me.. life must be so hard for inty pilots..
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Ishan Shade
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Posted - 2005.01.31 17:30:00 -
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I personally have a very nice setup for my stiletto, using noting but EW. (I have no damage output what so ever.)
But the problem is I only have 0.5 MW left on my setup! 3 MW would really screw up my great setup!! 
I really hope this won't make TQ 
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Dirtball
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Posted - 2005.01.31 17:46:00 -
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Everyone to your battleships, this will be just like pre castor again.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.01.31 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: lythos miralbar
You guys make me laugh
My heart bleeds for you now that you'll be slightly slower than before..
I can fit a tech II AB on my harpy and orbit an apoc at 20km doing 500m/s.. and he cant hit me.. life must be so hard for inty pilots..
AB get nerfed too I heard
Wanna fly with me?
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Fuze Rogue
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Posted - 2005.01.31 18:01:00 -
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WTF?!
Damn it CCP, what is the f*cking point of this?
Where the hell are your priorities? Ravens run about shooting everything down with their ever-hit missiles, geddons roam the skies with their uber tracking capable of blasting mwd frigates flying at high transversal, but you nerf all elite frigates?
MWD nerf is barely understandable, but WTF AB IIs, they give you like 50ms increase on an AF.
FFS wake up.
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Levin Cavil
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Posted - 2005.01.31 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: lythos miralbar
You guys make me laugh
My heart bleeds for you now that you'll be slightly slower than before..
I can fit a tech II AB on my harpy and orbit an apoc at 20km doing 500m/s.. and he cant hit me.. life must be so hard for inty pilots..
/me launches torps
/me waves
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Qlippothia
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Posted - 2005.01.31 21:30:00 -
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Is there any Interceptor pilot here who didn't already have a tight setup? I was having trouble enough figuring how I was going to make use of the extra slots. Now I have less grid to work with too.
Devs, shouldn't you be spending my subscription fees doing things like fixing bugs instead of finding new ways to **** me over?
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2005.01.31 22:07:00 -
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/me breaks out the Micro Aux Cores....Hmm what to get rid of  
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Captain Rod
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Posted - 2005.01.31 22:31:00 -
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Put a basic cargo expander in one of the lows that will give you guys alot of room for the MWD II .... ok. Not so funny
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2005.01.31 23:42:00 -
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The only interceptor that I could fit to easily accomodate this change and retain my full offensive capabilities would be the crow.
I was hoping my ares would be useful with the new changes, but thanks to a (IMO) near-worthless 4th highslot and the increase to the MWD II grid, I'm going go back to using it as a doorstop for my hanger.
Originally by: Sochin
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HostageTaker
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Posted - 2005.02.01 03:10:00 -
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Lame......... 
this better not go live...
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Bobbeh
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Posted - 2005.02.01 06:03:00 -
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OM, a couple of days ago i went by Rollins advice and bought a caldari navy rocket launcher for 20mil so that i could save 1 grid whilst using the least griddage weapons. Im annoyed now, how much boost are catalysed cold gas?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.02.01 09:25:00 -
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I've got about 40 cat cold-gas 1mn mwd's and AB's.
Almost refined them the other day too.
Phew.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.02.01 09:28:00 -
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Point is, the reasons for t2 fitting reqs being higher was that "t2 ships would have more pg to accomodate them".
A t2 Interceptor being unable to fit t1 guns with a t2 MWD seems....laughable.
Not that I'm too bothered; I've always wanted interceptors to be less damaging (despite the fact I can fly Gall/Caldari inties).
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Trouf
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Posted - 2005.02.01 16:11:00 -
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Hmmm was wondering why none of my interceptor setups was working..
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