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Vrakas	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:16:00 - [1] I think the war-dec system in eve is just not right. I pay good money to be able to play eve. I'm not big on PvP though, so I stay in high-sec space. I understand that if I go into low-sec I am at risk.... I pay for the commraderie, and PvE experience. I was part of a corp of people who share this philosophy. However, when a group of people in high-sec space war-dec a peaceful corp, we are put in a position where we are simply unable to play the game for as long as the war-dec is in place or until we disband our fellowship. Foolishly, I undocked and for no provoced reason lost months of work on my ship development. They are free to destroy the game experience for people who play this game for other reasons. The system rewards individuals who enjoy griefing peaceful players, and punishes those who pay solely to make friends and take all the necessary precautions to avoid that kind of conflict. It's just not right.... End of Rant
Mastertz	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:18:00 - [2] Originally by: Vrakas I think the war-dec system in eve is just not right. I pay good money to be able to play eve. I'm not big on PvP though, so I stay in high-sec space. I understand that if I go into low-sec I am at risk.... I pay for the commraderie, and PvE experience. I was part of a corp of people who share this philosophy. However, when a group of people in high-sec space war-dec a peaceful corp, we are put in a position where we are simply unable to play the game for as long as the war-dec is in place or until we disband our fellowship. Foolishly, I undocked and for no provoced reason lost months of work on my ship development. They are free to destroy the game experience for people who play this game for other reasons. The system rewards individuals who enjoy griefing peaceful players, and punishes those who pay solely to make friends and take all the necessary precautions to avoid that kind of conflict. It's just not right.... End of Rant Obvious troll is obvious.
Sig Sour	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:21:00 - [3] Ranting is not allowed, and you don't even try to disguise it at all.
Julienne Poirier Gallente Nonya Endeavours	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:25:00 - [4] Originally by: Vrakas I understand that if I ~~go into low-sec~~ undock I am at risk.... End of Rant fixed
Burial Day	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:26:00 - [5] If they're destroying your game experience, destroy theirs in turn. If you all are docked, you are essentially forcing the PvP corp to spend money in order to wait around in your system. I couldn't imagine a more infuriating thing. Spending money, to do nothing. If you're willing to forgo your ideal gameplay for a few hours (ie, PvE-ing to your hearts content whenever you wish), the problem ceases to be a problem at all, and it'll hurt them more than it hurts you.
Vrakas	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:33:00 - [6] From what I understand, as a corp that was only 3 weeks old. It costs them 2M ISK (peanuts) to continue keeping us under thumb. And why isn't ranting allowed?
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:33:00 - [7] Dear op, Ranting on the forums about wardecs is a good way to get yourself wardecc'd.
TravisWB	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:34:00 - [8] Edited by: TravisWB on 22/02/2011 05:34:42 Well, you need more friends and you really don't have a choice on this part but you and friends are going to have to learn to defend yourselves. You cannot cherry-pick the type of game you want to play in EVE.
Vrakas	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:39:00 - [9] Originally by: TravisWB You cannot cherry-pick the type of game you want to play in EVE. Yes... I understand this. I just needed to vent. My experience for the last 2 days just..... sigh
Echo Mae Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:47:00 - [10] Originally by: Vrakas Originally by: TravisWB You cannot cherry-pick the type of game you want to play in EVE. Yes... I understand this. I just needed to vent. My experience for the last 2 days just..... sigh There are several things you can do while you spin in your docking bay. Planetary Interaction. Manufacturing. Organizing your loot by type, item and category. Manipulating the market by using buy/sell orders. Doing bad things to all those Exotic Dancers you have hidden in your Captains Quarters. Writing EVE short stories and poetry to serenade your war deccers with. Trolling the forums. Or maybe, logging in, and walking away from the computer and reading a good book, watching TV, going outside. Heck, you could even satisfy your significant others baser physical desires for a few hours each day. I am sure that would make them very happy (or make them run away). ----- ** ----- I thought I was real but found out I was just a forum troll

Vrakas	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:52:00 - [11] Originally by: Echo Mae There are several things you can do while you spin in your docking bay. Planetary Interaction. Manufacturing. Organizing your loot by type, item and category. Manipulating the market by using buy/sell orders. Doing bad things to all those Exotic Dancers you have hidden in your Captains Quarters. Writing EVE short stories and poetry to serenade your war deccers with. Trolling the forums. Or maybe, logging in, and walking away from the computer and reading a good book, watching TV, going outside. Heck, you could even satisfy your significant others baser physical desires for a few hours each day. I am sure that would make them very happy (or make them run away). Yes... none of this can be denied. I acknowledge it is my own stupidity that undocked from station when I couldn't 'afford' to. Doesn't mean I didn't feel the need to go have that smoke at the wrong time and spend a few minutes cursing.
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:55:00 - [12] Originally by: Sig Sour Ranting is not allowed, and you don't even try to disguise it at all. Yeah, I'm just a peaceful forum reader and my peaceful enjoyment of the forums was set back by months by his griefing comentary
Echo Mae Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:59:00 - [13] Originally by: Vrakas Originally by: Echo Mae There are several things you can do while you spin in your docking bay. Planetary Interaction. Manufacturing. Organizing your loot by type, item and category. Manipulating the market by using buy/sell orders. Doing bad things to all those Exotic Dancers you have hidden in your Captains Quarters. Writing EVE short stories and poetry to serenade your war deccers with. Trolling the forums. Or maybe, logging in, and walking away from the computer and reading a good book, watching TV, going outside. Heck, you could even satisfy your significant others baser physical desires for a few hours each day. I am sure that would make them very happy (or make them run away). Yes... none of this can be denied. I acknowledge it is my own stupidity that undocked from station when I couldn't 'afford' to. Doesn't mean I didn't feel the need to go have that smoke at the wrong time and spend a few minutes cursing. It Happens. Don't kick yourself too hard. ----- ** ----- I thought I was real but found out I was just a forum troll
Vrakas	Posted - 2011.02.22 06:00:00 - [14] Originally by: Diomedes Calypso Yeah, I'm just a peaceful forum reader and my peaceful enjoyment of the forums was set back by months by his griefing comentary Don't say the topic didn't warn you....
Vrakas	Posted - 2011.02.22 06:03:00 - [15] Originally by: Echo Mae It Happens. Don't kick yourself too hard. I think I'm past the cursing.... and the kicking self.... and slowly moving onto the dusting off and begrudgingly moving forward.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.02.22 06:05:00 - [16] Originally by: TravisWB You cannot cherry-pick the type of game you want to play in EVE. To the op.Although I agree with you 100% the above quote is true. You have two options.Find a way to deal with it or quit.And I don't mean that in a nasty way.CCP likes these type of people which is why they leave doors open to them. I'd say at least 50% of their income comes from these types of people(griefers).So either turn around and face **** em or find another game that doesn't make you put up with the dirt of man kind who are set on making peoples life hell. My 2 isk.
Cathy Drall Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.02.22 06:10:00 - [17] Edited by: Cathy Drall on 22/02/2011 06:11:33 I don't know if you're the CEO but when you make a corporation you do get the warning that you can be wardecced at all times!? * One thing you can do is stay in the NPC corp and make a seperate chat channel for you and your friends - NPC corps can't be decced. You can't have offices or a POS though. * Another thing that you can do is make a new corp (it's also very cheap) and transfer everyone to the new corps; the wardeccers have to pay a new war declaration and you have at least 24 hours without war. When you're decced again, rinse and repeat, it's a legit way to avoid getting into wars. "Im not nearly as paranoid as people think I am"
Emilya Tatsuki	Posted - 2011.02.22 06:48:00 - [18] OP, you have just fell face first into what makes EVE so great. Ever wanted to live your space fantasies building an empire and enjoying yourselves with your bestest pals. you got it. You wanna do that in EVE, you gotta contend with upward battles and people who outclass you. If you think missioning and mining makesf or a fun time. Just wait till you organize a battle against a common enemy That is what builds connections in EVE.
Batolemaeus Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.02.22 06:51:00 - [19] Originally by: HeIIfire11 I'd say at least 50% of their income comes from these types of people(griefers). Griefing is a bannable offense in Eve. As long as there is a way to avoid harm, it's not griefing. As such, only very, very few activities fall under that rule, like shooting people who just entered the game in their newbie system.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.02.22 07:07:00 - [20] Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 22/02/2011 07:10:15 Originally by: Batolemaeus Originally by: HeIIfire11 I'd say at least 50% of their income comes from these types of people(griefers). Griefing is a bannable offense in Eve. As long as there is a way to avoid harm, it's not griefing. As such, only very, very few activities fall under that rule, like shooting people who just entered the game in their newbie system. I've said it once and I'll say it again for you. CCP does not define what griefing is.The term has a meaning and it is as follows... A griefer is a player who does things in a game to deliberately cause annoyance ("grief" in the sense of "giving someone grief") for the griefer's own enjoyment (or "lulz"). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer They do this for the "tears".There is no other reason for it really.If they wanted pvp there is way more low sec and null sec out there. Oh and anything in eve can be avoided btw by sitting in a station or not playing at all.Both cause a player grief either way you see it.Its still griefing.

Dian'h Might Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated	Posted - 2011.02.22 07:31:00 - [21] Originally by: HeIIfire11 Its still griefing. And it's still allowed under the game rules (and what makes eve great imo) as long as you aren't specifically singling out an individual player for a significant duration of time for no reason other than to harass them specifically. - - - Dian'h Might - C&Ps resident "internet kleptomaniac"
Batolemaeus Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.02.22 07:41:00 - [22] Originally by: HeIIfire11 CCP does not define what griefing is. Yes, yes they do. What they consider griefing, and thus a bannable offense, is entirely up to them. You can stomp your feet all you want, but in a game where nearly all harm is completely avoidable, the term "griefing" does not apply to a lot of activities. Griefing is always a metagame activity to cause disruption of a game. If someone plays by the rules as they were intended, as opposed to playing the rules, it's not griefing. It is simply not possible to cause a situation where a player is defenseless against disruption. There's no camping corpses with no way out, there's no repeated teamkilling with no counter, there is no stand-at-spawn-and-taunt-repeatedly-while-your-team-dies. Playing the game does not mean disruption of the game. I'm not mad at those stupid crocket slinging soldiers with their black box and call them griefers for killing me..that's just pointless. Calling people who wardec others griefers is ridiculous, as it is not disruptive of the game. If they had the ability to shut down your gameplay with no way out but logging off, then it would be griefing. But they can't shut you down. You have gazillion opportunities. Use them. By the way, your wikipedia link..wow, what a bad article. Poorly researched, poorly sourced, and poorly written. I don't feel like correcting it right now, but that thing needs a rewrite badly.
Chinwe Rhei Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.02.22 07:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Batolemaeus Originally by: HeIIfire11 I'd say at least 50% of their income comes from these types of people(griefers). Griefing is a bannable offense in Eve. As long as there is a way to avoid harm, it's not griefing. As such, only very, very few activities fall under that rule, like shooting people who just entered the game in their newbie system. This is CCP's own definition of griefing: "A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersÆ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. ... At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account. " There is no mention of it not being griefing if there's a way to avoid it, what makes something griefing is motivation ("tears" and "lulz" as opposed to conflict of interest). The truth of the matter is that CCP has never had much resources for the GM department and back in the day a petition could take weeks for an answer. As such they've ignored their anti-griefing policy (which exists, at least in theory), and people openly brag about that kind of malicious gameplay.
Kerfira Kerfira Corp	Posted - 2011.02.22 07:59:00 - [24] Originally by: Vrakas Whine... You're not playing 'My Little Pony Online', you know... Crying over the rules of a game you choose to play is pretty pathetic... Are you also the type of guy who complains in a football match (Euro style one) that you want to use your hands and that the off-side rule is unfair? Do you also complain to the referee that it is unfair that the other team tries to take the ball from you when you're playing it? I bet you are... I don't think you're suited to play a PvP game... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
cytheras wrath	Posted - 2011.02.22 08:06:00 - [25] Originally by: HeIIfire11 Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 22/02/2011 07:10:15 Originally by: Batolemaeus Originally by: HeIIfire11 I'd say at least 50% of their income comes from these types of people(griefers). Griefing is a bannable offense in Eve. As long as there is a way to avoid harm, it's not griefing. As such, only very, very few activities fall under that rule, like shooting people who just entered the game in their newbie system. I've said it once and I'll say it again for you. CCP does not define what griefing is.The term has a meaning and it is as follows... A griefer is a player who does things in a game to deliberately cause annoyance ("grief" in the sense of "giving someone grief") for the griefer's own enjoyment (or "lulz"). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer They do this for the "tears".There is no other reason for it really.If they wanted pvp there is way more low sec and null sec out there. Oh and anything in eve can be avoided btw by sitting in a station or not playing at all.Both cause a player grief either way you see it.Its still griefing. Wiki is fixed :) it now defines eve as allowing griefing as a form of gameplay from one players actions effecting another for the 'lulz'. P.S. Yes, i went and fixed the wiki page myself :)
Kerfira Kerfira Corp	Posted - 2011.02.22 08:06:00 - [26] Originally by: Chinwe Rhei "At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account." Please note that INTERACTING with other players in the way the game is intended (shooting and wardec'ing them IS intended) is NOT regarded as 'interfering'. The quote above refers to players who pick some random other player for no good reason and then keeps harassing them. SHOOTING is not necessarily equal to HARASSING! Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Sverige Pahis Caldari Random Selection. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2011.02.22 08:07:00 - [27] Originally by: Vrakas I think the war-dec system in eve is just not right. I pay good money to be able to play eve. I'm not big on PvP though, so I stay in high-sec space. I understand that if I go into low-sec I am at risk.... I pay for the commraderie, and PvE experience. I was part of a corp of people who share this philosophy. However, when a group of people in high-sec space war-dec a peaceful corp, we are put in a position where we are simply unable to play the game for as long as the war-dec is in place or until we disband our fellowship. Foolishly, I undocked and for no provoced reason lost months of work on my ship development. They are free to destroy the game experience for people who play this game for other reasons. The system rewards individuals who enjoy griefing peaceful players, and punishes those who pay solely to make friends and take all the necessary precautions to avoid that kind of conflict. It's just not right.... End of Rant Why didn't you simply wait out session change and redock? Why are you so bad at eve online?
catinboots Minmatar Vintage collective	Posted - 2011.02.22 08:13:00 - [28] The op has a point in 'my opinion,it is way to easy andto cheap and is being exploited in some case Some good changes in the wardeccing mechanisme been made in. the past but the ideas seems to have died due to massive trolling _____________ There be dragons
Chinwe Rhei Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.02.22 08:19:00 - [29] Originally by: Kerfira Please note that INTERACTING with other players in the way the game is intended (shooting and wardec'ing them IS intended) is NOT regarded as 'interfering'. The quote above refers to players who pick some random other player for no good reason and then keeps harassing them. SHOOTING is not necessarily equal to HARASSING! Of course neither shooting or wardecing are inherently griefing but both can be used as part of a griefer's tactics. It's all pretty irrelevant anyway because CCP never does anything about it even in very clear cases of some nutjob chasing someone else through five different corporations half way across the galaxy. When it comes to harassment in EvE you're pretty much on your own.
Batolemaeus Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.02.22 08:22:00 - [30] Originally by: Chinwe Rhei At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account. " Bolded the important point for you. Shooting someone is not griefing. Wardeccing someone isn't, either. Using a bunch of alts to spam someone with convos when he jumps into me however, is. Killing someone in a suicide kill isn't griefing, but dropping a gazillion cans to cause long gridloads for anyone entering grid is. See the pattern?



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