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Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.02.22 08:25:00 - [31] No ranting please. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Musashi IV	Posted - 2011.02.22 08:27:00 - [32] I think war dec adds spice to the game, but I think it needs needs to be changed. It should cost a corp at least 10 mil and the corp must be at least 6 months old.
Chinwe Rhei Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.02.22 08:31:00 - [33] Edited by: Chinwe Rhei on 22/02/2011 08:33:39 Quote: Bolded the important point for you. Shooting someone is not griefing. Wardeccing someone isn't, either. Using a bunch of alts to spam someone with convos when he jumps into me however, is. Killing someone in a suicide kill isn't griefing, but dropping a gazillion cans to cause long gridloads for anyone entering grid is. Griefing is not synonymous with exploiting game mechanics. There is a separate policy for that. All those tactics and more can be used by dedicated griefers to harass and annoy others.
Kengutsi Akira	Posted - 2011.02.22 08:57:00 - [34] so... rants are allowed on the forums now? cause all the other ranty threads ive seen get locked 5 posts in especially ones about hulkageddon or mining bots ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass"
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2011.02.22 09:19:00 - [35] Originally by: Kengutsi Akira so... rants are allowed on the forums now? cause all the other ranty threads ive seen get locked 5 posts in especially ones about hulkageddon or mining bots You mean they lock the unnecessary spam threads about issues that already have existing threads discussing them. I know they are important issues to others, but some of us don't want their crap cluttering up the whole forum.
Ruby Udders	Posted - 2011.02.22 09:47:00 - [36] Wardecs are the price you pay for running your own corporation. Deal with it.
My Postman	Posted - 2011.02.22 10:14:00 - [37] OP: Make a new toon on one of your accounts. Just skill this bit of corporation management to be able to be CEO. Make this toon (who never undocks) CEO of your corp. When getting decced, your main (and the other corp members) leave decced corp to NPC corp. Watch deccers dying from boredom. Rejoin when wardec is over. Rinse and repeat.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.02.22 10:33:00 - [38] Originally by: Batolemaeus Originally by: HeIIfire11 CCP does not define what griefing is. Yes, yes they do. What they consider griefing, and thus a bannable offense, is entirely up to them. You can stomp your feet all you want, but in a game where nearly all harm is completely avoidable, the term "griefing" does not apply to a lot of activities. Griefing is always a metagame activity to cause disruption of a game. If someone plays by the rules as they were intended, as opposed to playing the rules, it's not griefing. It is simply not possible to cause a situation where a player is defenseless against disruption. There's no camping corpses with no way out, there's no repeated teamkilling with no counter, there is no stand-at-spawn-and-taunt-repeatedly-while-your-team-dies. Playing the game does not mean disruption of the game. I'm not mad at those stupid crocket slinging soldiers with their black box and call them griefers for killing me..that's just pointless. Calling people who wardec others griefers is ridiculous, as it is not disruptive of the game. If they had the ability to shut down your gameplay with no way out but logging off, then it would be griefing. But they can't shut you down. You have gazillion opportunities. Use them. By the way, your wikipedia link..wow, what a bad article. Poorly researched, poorly sourced, and poorly written. I don't feel like correcting it right now, but that thing needs a rewrite badly. First of all you guys can fix the wiki page all you want,it was just an example. And if you say eve isnt full of griefers you know nothing of this game and should give me your stuff.Starting with Batolemaeus who is a ccp alt,fanboi or is completely clueless as to what goes on in eve.
Malcanis Caldari Alcohlics Anonymous	Posted - 2011.02.22 10:34:00 - [39] Originally by: Vrakas I think the war-dec system in eve is just not right. I pay good money to be able to play eve. I'm not big on PvP though, so I stay in high-sec space. I understand that if I go into low-sec I am at risk.... I pay for the commraderie, and PvE experience. I was part of a corp of people who share this philosophy. However, when a group of people in high-sec space war-dec a peaceful corp, we are put in a position where we are simply unable to play the game for as long as the war-dec is in place or until we disband our fellowship. Foolishly, I undocked and for no provoced reason lost months of work on my ship development. They are free to destroy the game experience for people who play this game for other reasons. The system rewards individuals who enjoy griefing peaceful players, and punishes those who pay solely to make friends and take all the necessary precautions to avoid that kind of conflict. It's just not right.... End of Rant Forming a corp is an explicit declaration that you're ready to play with the big boys now. Evidently you and your friends are not ready. The correct course of action is to join an established corp until you have the assets, experience, skills and motivation able to look after yourselves unsupported. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Iceni	Posted - 2011.02.22 11:13:00 - [40] Originally by: HeIIfire11 Originally by: TravisWB You cannot cherry-pick the type of game you want to play in EVE. To the op.Although I agree with you 100% the above quote is true. You have two options.Find a way to deal with it or quit.And I don't mean that in a nasty way.CCP likes these type of people which is why they leave doors open to them. I'd say at least 50% of their income comes from these types of people(griefers).So either turn around and face **** em or find another game that doesn't make you put up with the dirt of man kind who are set on making peoples life hell. My 2 isk. No there is a third option. You and your corp should each train an alt to fly a hauler - only takes a few hours, if that. Create a sister corp and stick your alts in that, everyone switches to the alt corp whilst your main is wardecced. Sure, you'll be playing with a less skilled character for a while but it's a good workaround.

000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2011.02.22 12:25:00 - [41] I'd ask for ur stuff, but u are obviously a noob without any iskies so i won't bother ________________________________________________
Brahan Seer Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2011.02.22 13:11:00 - [42] I would absolutely love it if someone war dec'd me. I don't see a problem.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.02.22 14:27:00 - [43] Don't be a *****. Shoot them, cruisers and frigs don't cost much. I got tired of every corp I joined docking up every time they got dec'd. Don't be like 99% of the highsec corps out there and shoot back for fun. Who cares if you lose a bunch of cheap ships and a clone here and there. Jump into a clean clone and you won't lose that much in the end, plus you might land yourselves some nice kills/loot. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Jasper Locke	Posted - 2011.02.22 15:34:00 - [44] The fantastic thing about Eve is that there are multiple ways to handle a situation. For example, you could hire several other wardec-happy companies to wardec the offender and make their lives very unpleasant until they retract their wardec against you.
Cory Sopapilla Minmatar Kiroshi Group	Posted - 2011.02.22 16:09:00 - [45] Sign on with like 3 accounts, put them all in the corp docked in the same station, turn the monitor off, then go to work/school. It'll give you a warm fuzzy feeling thinking of ppl camping them all day.
Commander Disarray	Posted - 2011.02.22 16:30:00 - [46] Edited by: Commander Disarray on 22/02/2011 16:30:59 I think a good way to avoid decs is to create a second account and LEAVE IT OUT OF A PLAYER CORP. This is only possible if you can afford it with RL money, or make so much ISK with it that you can keep it active with PLEX's. This was a life saver for me when we were decced by a griefer corp a while back for over a month. I kept my main docked up and making ISK doing market/industrial stuff while the 2nd account kept raking in the ISK doing L4's without interruption. Most of the corp adopted the same strategy and the griefers got tired of it. We never disbanded or paid their lol-ransoms. It was great. A second account can be a decent L4 mission runner in less than a month. Really good runner another month after. You won't regret it. Just keep its identity a secret so it can't be ganked.
Cory Sopapilla Minmatar Kiroshi Group	Posted - 2011.02.22 16:57:00 - [47] Originally by: Commander Disarray Edited by: Commander Disarray on 22/02/2011 16:30:59 I think a good way to avoid decs is to create a second account and LEAVE IT OUT OF A PLAYER CORP. This is only possible if you can afford it with RL money, or make so much ISK with it that you can keep it active with PLEX's. This was a life saver for me when we were decced by a griefer corp a while back for over a month. I kept my main docked up and making ISK doing market/industrial stuff while the 2nd account kept raking in the ISK doing L4's without interruption. Most of the corp adopted the same strategy and the griefers got tired of it. We never disbanded or paid their lol-ransoms. It was great. A second account can be a decent L4 mission runner in less than a month. Really good runner another month after. You won't regret it. Just keep its identity a secret so it can't be ganked. Really you don't even need the 2nd account. Just train an alt up to being able to barely fly and fit a drake and you can do most lvl 4s. You could probably do it and only lose about 3 weeks of training time on the main char (less than you'd lose while camped in the long run).
Tasha Novea	Posted - 2011.02.22 18:58:00 - [48] Edited by: Tasha Novea on 22/02/2011 18:58:24 How would you deal with a war like this one? - You get probed out in your mission complex by a neutral alt. - They bookmark and hand off to the wardec alt. - The wardec alt comes on, kills you, logs off. Very little chance they'll ever lose. And this is all cool with CCP?
Hydroz0rz	Posted - 2011.02.22 19:11:00 - [49] Plenty of ways to have fun in wardecs. Rule 1 : Know your session timers and have session timer enabled Rule 2 : Know that when you un dock you are immune for the length of that session timer. You then simply re-dock and laugh at the deccers. Rule 3 : When you get notification of getting wardecced setup insta warp points all over the place. 300k above/below/both sides of your station. Set up warp point above/below and both sides of all gates in system. This way you can view them from a distance and again annoy them. A great tip is if you cannot fight the dec, Pay for some very good Mercs to do it for you. Get some reputable Mercs too. It will cost many hundreds of millions of isk but so worth it to see the deccers running with there bits in-between there legs. If non of these are for you then make a channel for your corp and drop into a NPC corp this way you can still act as a corp knowing you cannot be harmed. The just go back into the corp as and when you feel. Wardecs are only a problem if you allow them to be a problem.
Kengutsi Akira	Posted - 2011.02.22 19:13:00 - [50] Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 22/02/2011 19:15:36 Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Originally by: Kengutsi Akira so... rants are allowed on the forums now? cause all the other ranty threads ive seen get locked 5 posts in especially ones about hulkageddon or mining bots You mean they lock the unnecessary spam threads about issues that already have existing threads discussing them. I know they are important issues to others, but some of us don't want their crap cluttering up the whole forum. Just like the bot threads and the hulkageddon threads lol I say war decs are fine even though my last corp/alliance was destroyed/screwed by one but then again there should be severe consequences for stupid actions in this game.. you plop a small POS in S I L E N T. alliance low sec and dont expect to die for it? lol Hey anyone know anything about the TheEntity/S I L E N T. war? ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass"

Hydroz0rz	Posted - 2011.02.22 19:15:00 - [51] Originally by: Tasha Novea Edited by: Tasha Novea on 22/02/2011 18:58:24 How would you deal with a war like this one? - You get probed out in your mission complex by a neutral alt. - They bookmark and hand off to the wardec alt. - The wardec alt comes on, kills you, logs off. Very little chance they'll ever lose. And this is all cool with CCP? The chance of probing the correct ship out within a busy system is very slim unless its an obvious ship like a T3 or marauder. However any1 who is patient can do this. The kill is deserved as anyone who missions in a war dec is dumber than dumb. Have probes on overview if u see 1 you got time, more than 3 then gtfo the lock is seconds away for them to warp on you.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.02.22 19:27:00 - [52] Originally by: Hydroz0rz Originally by: Tasha Novea Edited by: Tasha Novea on 22/02/2011 18:58:24 How would you deal with a war like this one? - You get probed out in your mission complex by a neutral alt. - They bookmark and hand off to the wardec alt. - The wardec alt comes on, kills you, logs off. Very little chance they'll ever lose. And this is all cool with CCP? The chance of probing the correct ship out within a busy system is very slim unless its an obvious ship like a T3 or marauder. However any1 who is patient can do this. The kill is deserved as anyone who missions in a war dec is dumber than dumb. Have probes on overview if u see 1 you got time, more than 3 then gtfo the lock is seconds away for them to warp on you. It's not very hard, especially when they see you enter the system, the target doesn't bother to rename their ships or the target's usual ship names are already known. They will narrow down the area with directional scan first, that way they only have probes out for a few seconds, more than likely you won't see the probes before they pinpoint you. This shouldn't be an issue at all because if you're dec'd you don't mine, you don't mission and you don't just wander around...you look for your enemy and try to kill them, doing anything else while at war is just stupid. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Batolemaeus Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.02.22 19:33:00 - [53] Originally by: HeIIfire11 And if you say eve isnt full of griefers you know nothing of this game and should give me your stuff.Starting with Batolemaeus who is a ccp alt,fanboi or is completely clueless as to what goes on in eve. Framing this. Malcanis, are you reading this? Look at that guy! :D
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.02.22 19:38:00 - [54] I've always thought it should be a bidding method. Concord accepts the bribe, notifies parties that a bidding has occurred. The party can then counter bribe. Original party can then counter bribe. etc. 24 hours after the original bribe Concord either declares the war valid or invalid depending who wins. All bribe money is forfeit....regardless of outcome.
PeHD0M	Posted - 2011.02.22 19:55:00 - [55] You don't need a corporation to play with friends or to create your own community. You can create a private chat channel for comunication and be happy with that. 11% tax is nothing. And you can have a placeholder corporation (ratting, pos, jumpclones, etc).
Palovana Caldari Inner Fire Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.22 20:03:00 - [56] Get some fast-aligning ships and fit them for escape - low rack full of warp core stabilizers. Exit the station simultaneously and make a run for it in different directions. Either they'll split up or only follow one of you. If they split up, better chance of escaping. If they stay together and follow just one of you, that guy might be toast but some of you get away. Create a new neutral alt and use him to scout the ships that are camping you into the station. Figure out what their weakest ship is, fit ships for alpha. Undock simultaneously and try to pop that weakest ship. Don't fit them too expensive as you'll probably lose the ships, but at least you'll have gotten one of them. Jump clone out. Maybe not an option for you. Once the wardec is over you might want to look into creating one or two jump clones for emergency purposes. Corps exist to assist with the standings requirements.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.02.22 20:27:00 - [57] Originally by: Tasha Novea How would you deal with a war like this one? You kill them. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Exuro Novea Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.22 23:59:00 - [58] Edited by: Exuro Novea on 22/02/2011 23:59:52
garus banta	Posted - 2011.02.23 00:12:00 - [59] Originally by: Musashi IV I think war dec adds spice to the game, but I think it needs needs to be changed. It should cost a corp at least 10 mil and the corp must be at least 6 months old. What ? Why ? Are you insane? War decs are way more risky for people who dec then those who defend. You think it's easy to wardec? Try it yourself! As for the crying about the wardec, let me guess, you operate close to a major trade hub, fly near there and sell near there to make a profit. Well guess what, the bigger the trade hub the bigger the risk. Oh yeah! Imagine that! Dummy, go into a less crowded system, setup ops there and use alts NOT in your corp to sell your items at JITA. Your first failure was assuming the game needs to be fixed when in effect you are a noob and fail to acknowledge that your actions were not too smart. Also did you know it costs you less money to start a new corp then it does to wardec? Think about it for a second.
Eyezpiddydafooh Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2011.02.23 01:04:00 - [60] The best way to get rid of these riff-raff is to hire Merc's. We do our job and do it well. Your guaranteed not to get war-dec'd by that same corp. Now if they are part of a large alliance that is a whole other story, but usually we can negotiate something. Everything has a price of course! ;)



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