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Vrakas
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Posted - 2011.02.22 05:16:00 -
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I think the war-dec system in eve is just not right.
I pay good money to be able to play eve. I'm not big on PvP though, so I stay in high-sec space. I understand that if I go into low-sec I am at risk....
I pay for the commraderie, and PvE experience. I was part of a corp of people who share this philosophy. However, when a group of people in high-sec space war-dec a peaceful corp, we are put in a position where we are simply unable to play the game for as long as the war-dec is in place or until we disband our fellowship. Foolishly, I undocked and for no provoced reason lost months of work on my ship development. They are free to destroy the game experience for people who play this game for other reasons.
The system rewards individuals who enjoy griefing peaceful players, and punishes those who pay solely to make friends and take all the necessary precautions to avoid that kind of conflict. It's just not right....
End of Rant
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Mastertz
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Posted - 2011.02.22 05:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Vrakas
I think the war-dec system in eve is just not right.
I pay good money to be able to play eve. I'm not big on PvP though, so I stay in high-sec space. I understand that if I go into low-sec I am at risk....
I pay for the commraderie, and PvE experience. I was part of a corp of people who share this philosophy. However, when a group of people in high-sec space war-dec a peaceful corp, we are put in a position where we are simply unable to play the game for as long as the war-dec is in place or until we disband our fellowship. Foolishly, I undocked and for no provoced reason lost months of work on my ship development. They are free to destroy the game experience for people who play this game for other reasons.
The system rewards individuals who enjoy griefing peaceful players, and punishes those who pay solely to make friends and take all the necessary precautions to avoid that kind of conflict. It's just not right....
End of Rant
Obvious troll is obvious.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2011.02.22 05:21:00 -
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Ranting is not allowed, and you don't even try to disguise it at all.
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Julienne Poirier
Gallente
Nonya Endeavours
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Posted - 2011.02.22 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Vrakas
I understand that if I go into low-sec undock I am at risk....
End of Rant
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Burial Day
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Posted - 2011.02.22 05:26:00 -
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If they're destroying your game experience, destroy theirs in turn.
If you all are docked, you are essentially forcing the PvP corp to spend money in order to wait around in your system. I couldn't imagine a more infuriating thing. Spending money, to do nothing.
If you're willing to forgo your ideal gameplay for a few hours (ie, PvE-ing to your hearts content whenever you wish), the problem ceases to be a problem at all, and it'll hurt them more than it hurts you.
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Vrakas
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Posted - 2011.02.22 05:33:00 -
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From what I understand, as a corp that was only 3 weeks old. It costs them 2M ISK (peanuts) to continue keeping us under thumb. And why isn't ranting allowed?
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.02.22 05:33:00 -
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Dear op,
Ranting on the forums about wardecs is a good way to get yourself wardecc'd.
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TravisWB
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Posted - 2011.02.22 05:34:00 -
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Edited by: TravisWB on 22/02/2011 05:34:42
Well, you need more friends and you really don't have a choice on this part but you and friends are going to have to learn to defend yourselves.
You cannot cherry-pick the type of game you want to play in EVE.
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Vrakas
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Posted - 2011.02.22 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: TravisWB
You cannot cherry-pick the type of game you want to play in EVE.
Yes... I understand this. I just needed to vent. My experience for the last 2 days just..... *sigh*
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Echo Mae
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.02.22 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: Vrakas
Originally by: TravisWB
You cannot cherry-pick the type of game you want to play in EVE.
Yes... I understand this. I just needed to vent. My experience for the last 2 days just..... *sigh*
There are several things you can do while you spin in your docking bay. Planetary Interaction. Manufacturing. Organizing your loot by type, item and category. Manipulating the market by using buy/sell orders. Doing bad things to all those Exotic Dancers you have hidden in your Captains Quarters. Writing EVE short stories and poetry to serenade your war deccers with. Trolling the forums. Or maybe, logging in, and walking away from the computer and reading a good book, watching TV, going outside. Heck, you could even satisfy your significant others baser physical desires for a few hours each day. I am sure that would make them very happy (or make them run away).
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Vrakas
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Posted - 2011.02.22 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Echo Mae
There are several things you can do while you spin in your docking bay. Planetary Interaction. Manufacturing. Organizing your loot by type, item and category. Manipulating the market by using buy/sell orders. Doing bad things to all those Exotic Dancers you have hidden in your Captains Quarters. Writing EVE short stories and poetry to serenade your war deccers with. Trolling the forums. Or maybe, logging in, and walking away from the computer and reading a good book, watching TV, going outside. Heck, you could even satisfy your significant others baser physical desires for a few hours each day. I am sure that would make them very happy (or make them run away).
Yes... none of this can be denied. I acknowledge it is my own stupidity that undocked from station when I couldn't 'afford' to. Doesn't mean I didn't feel the need to go have that smoke at the wrong time and spend a few minutes cursing.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.02.22 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
Ranting is not allowed, and you don't even try to disguise it at all.
Yeah, I'm just a peaceful forum reader and my peaceful enjoyment of the forums was set back by months by his griefing comentary
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Echo Mae
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.02.22 05:59:00 -
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Originally by: Vrakas
Originally by: Echo Mae
There are several things you can do while you spin in your docking bay. Planetary Interaction. Manufacturing. Organizing your loot by type, item and category. Manipulating the market by using buy/sell orders. Doing bad things to all those Exotic Dancers you have hidden in your Captains Quarters. Writing EVE short stories and poetry to serenade your war deccers with. Trolling the forums. Or maybe, logging in, and walking away from the computer and reading a good book, watching TV, going outside. Heck, you could even satisfy your significant others baser physical desires for a few hours each day. I am sure that would make them very happy (or make them run away).
Yes... none of this can be denied. I acknowledge it is my own stupidity that undocked from station when I couldn't 'afford' to. Doesn't mean I didn't feel the need to go have that smoke at the wrong time and spend a few minutes cursing.
It Happens. Don't kick yourself too hard.
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Vrakas
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Posted - 2011.02.22 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
Yeah, I'm just a peaceful forum reader and my peaceful enjoyment of the forums was set back by months by his griefing comentary
Don't say the topic didn't warn you....
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Vrakas
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Posted - 2011.02.22 06:03:00 -
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Originally by: Echo Mae
It Happens. Don't kick yourself too hard.
I think I'm past the cursing.... and the kicking self.... and slowly moving onto the dusting off and begrudgingly moving forward.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.02.22 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: TravisWB
You cannot cherry-pick the type of game you want to play in EVE.
To the op.Although I agree with you 100% the above quote is true.
You have two options.Find a way to deal with it or quit.And I don't mean that in a nasty way.CCP likes these type of people which is why they leave doors open to them.
I'd say at least 50% of their income comes from these types of people(griefers).So either turn around and face **** em or find another game that doesn't make you put up with the dirt of man kind who are set on making peoples life hell.
My 2 isk.
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Cathy Drall
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.02.22 06:10:00 -
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Edited by: Cathy Drall on 22/02/2011 06:11:33
I don't know if you're the CEO but when you make a corporation you do get the warning that you can be wardecced at all times!?
* One thing you can do is stay in the NPC corp and make a seperate chat channel for you and your friends - NPC corps can't be decced. You can't have offices or a POS though.
* Another thing that you can do is make a new corp (it's also very cheap) and transfer everyone to the new corps; the wardeccers have to pay a new war declaration and you have at least 24 hours without war. When you're decced again, rinse and repeat, it's a legit way to avoid getting into wars.
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Emilya Tatsuki
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Posted - 2011.02.22 06:48:00 -
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OP, you have just fell face first into what makes EVE so great.
Ever wanted to live your space fantasies building an empire and enjoying
yourselves with your bestest pals. you got it.
You wanna do that in EVE, you gotta contend with upward battles and
people who outclass you.
If you think missioning and mining makesf or a fun time.
Just wait till you organize a battle against a common enemy
That is what builds connections in EVE.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.02.22 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
I'd say at least 50% of their income comes from these types of people(griefers).
Griefing is a bannable offense in Eve.
As long as there is a way to avoid harm, it's not griefing. As such, only very, very few activities fall under that rule, like shooting people who just entered the game in their newbie system.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.02.22 07:07:00 -
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Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 22/02/2011 07:10:15
Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: HeIIfire11
I'd say at least 50% of their income comes from these types of people(griefers).
Griefing is a bannable offense in Eve.
As long as there is a way to avoid harm, it's not griefing. As such, only very, very few activities fall under that rule, like shooting people who just entered the game in their newbie system.
I've said it once and I'll say it again for you.
CCP does not define what griefing is.The term has a meaning and it is as follows...
A griefer is a player who does things in a game to deliberately cause annoyance ("grief" in the sense of "giving someone grief") for the griefer's own enjoyment (or "lulz").
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer
They do this for the "tears".There is no other reason for it really.If they wanted pvp there is way more low sec and null sec out there.
Oh and anything in eve can be avoided btw by sitting in a station or not playing at all.Both cause a player grief either way you see it.Its still griefing.
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Dian'h Might
Minmatar
Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.02.22 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Its still griefing.
And it's still allowed under the game rules (and what makes eve great imo) as long as you aren't specifically singling out an individual player for a significant duration of time for no reason other than to harass them specifically.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.02.22 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
CCP does not define what griefing is.
Yes, yes they do. What they consider griefing, and thus a bannable offense, is entirely up to them.
You can stomp your feet all you want, but in a game where nearly all harm is completely avoidable, the term "griefing" does not apply to a lot of activities.
Griefing is always a metagame activity to cause disruption of a game. If someone plays by the rules as they were intended, as opposed to playing the rules, it's not griefing. It is simply not possible to cause a situation where a player is defenseless against disruption. There's no camping corpses with no way out, there's no repeated teamkilling with no counter, there is no stand-at-spawn-and-taunt-repeatedly-while-your-team-dies.
Playing the game does not mean disruption of the game. I'm not mad at those stupid crocket slinging soldiers with their black box and call them griefers for killing me..that's just pointless. Calling people who wardec others griefers is ridiculous, as it is not disruptive of the game. If they had the ability to shut down your gameplay with no way out but logging off, then it would be griefing. But they can't shut you down. You have gazillion opportunities. Use them.
By the way, your wikipedia link..wow, what a bad article. Poorly researched, poorly sourced, and poorly written. I don't feel like correcting it right now, but that thing needs a rewrite badly.
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Chinwe Rhei
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.02.22 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: HeIIfire11
I'd say at least 50% of their income comes from these types of people(griefers).
Griefing is a bannable offense in Eve.
As long as there is a way to avoid harm, it's not griefing. As such, only very, very few activities fall under that rule, like shooting people who just entered the game in their newbie system.
This is CCP's own definition of griefing:
"A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersÆ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players.
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At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account. "
There is no mention of it not being griefing if there's a way to avoid it, what makes something griefing is motivation ("tears" and "lulz" as opposed to conflict of interest).
The truth of the matter is that CCP has never had much resources for the GM department and back in the day a petition could take weeks for an answer. As such they've ignored their anti-griefing policy (which exists, at least in theory), and people openly brag about that kind of malicious gameplay.
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Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
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Posted - 2011.02.22 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Vrakas
Whine...
You're not playing 'My Little Pony Online', you know...
Crying over the rules of a game you choose to play is pretty pathetic...
Are you also the type of guy who complains in a football match (Euro style one) that you want to use your hands and that the off-side rule is unfair? Do you also complain to the referee that it is unfair that the other team tries to take the ball from you when you're playing it?
I bet you are...
I don't think you're suited to play a PvP game...
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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cytheras wrath
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Posted - 2011.02.22 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 22/02/2011 07:10:15
Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: HeIIfire11
I'd say at least 50% of their income comes from these types of people(griefers).
Griefing is a bannable offense in Eve.
As long as there is a way to avoid harm, it's not griefing. As such, only very, very few activities fall under that rule, like shooting people who just entered the game in their newbie system.
I've said it once and I'll say it again for you.
CCP does not define what griefing is.The term has a meaning and it is as follows...
A griefer is a player who does things in a game to deliberately cause annoyance ("grief" in the sense of "giving someone grief") for the griefer's own enjoyment (or "lulz").
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer
They do this for the "tears".There is no other reason for it really.If they wanted pvp there is way more low sec and null sec out there.
Oh and anything in eve can be avoided btw by sitting in a station or not playing at all.Both cause a player grief either way you see it.Its still griefing.
Wiki is fixed :) it now defines eve as allowing griefing as a form of gameplay from one players actions effecting another for the 'lulz'.
P.S. Yes, i went and fixed the wiki page myself :)
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Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
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Posted - 2011.02.22 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Chinwe Rhei
"At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account."
Please note that INTERACTING with other players in the way the game is intended (shooting and wardec'ing them IS intended) is NOT regarded as 'interfering'.
The quote above refers to players who pick some random other player for no good reason and then keeps harassing them.
SHOOTING is not necessarily equal to HARASSING!
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Sverige Pahis
Caldari
Random Selection.
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.02.22 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Vrakas
I think the war-dec system in eve is just not right.
I pay good money to be able to play eve. I'm not big on PvP though, so I stay in high-sec space. I understand that if I go into low-sec I am at risk....
I pay for the commraderie, and PvE experience. I was part of a corp of people who share this philosophy. However, when a group of people in high-sec space war-dec a peaceful corp, we are put in a position where we are simply unable to play the game for as long as the war-dec is in place or until we disband our fellowship. Foolishly, I undocked and for no provoced reason lost months of work on my ship development. They are free to destroy the game experience for people who play this game for other reasons.
The system rewards individuals who enjoy griefing peaceful players, and punishes those who pay solely to make friends and take all the necessary precautions to avoid that kind of conflict. It's just not right....
End of Rant
Why didn't you simply wait out session change and redock? Why are you so bad at eve online?
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catinboots
Minmatar
Vintage collective
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Posted - 2011.02.22 08:13:00 -
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The op has a point in 'my opinion,it is way to easy andto cheap and is being exploited in some case
Some good changes in the wardeccing mechanisme been made in. the past but the ideas seems to have died due to massive trolling
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There be dragons
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Chinwe Rhei
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.02.22 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira
Please note that INTERACTING with other players in the way the game is intended (shooting and wardec'ing them IS intended) is NOT regarded as 'interfering'.
The quote above refers to players who pick some random other player for no good reason and then keeps harassing them.
SHOOTING is not necessarily equal to HARASSING!
Of course neither shooting or wardecing are inherently griefing but both can be used as part of a griefer's tactics. It's all pretty irrelevant anyway because CCP never does anything about it even in very clear cases of some nutjob chasing someone else through five different corporations half way across the galaxy.
When it comes to harassment in EvE you're pretty much on your own.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.02.22 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: Chinwe Rhei
At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account. "
Bolded the important point for you.
Shooting someone is not griefing. Wardeccing someone isn't, either. Using a bunch of alts to spam someone with convos when he jumps into me however, is. Killing someone in a suicide kill isn't griefing, but dropping a gazillion cans to cause long gridloads for anyone entering grid is.
See the pattern?
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.02.22 08:25:00 -
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No ranting please. 
Originally by: Allestin Villimar
Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax
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Musashi IV
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Posted - 2011.02.22 08:27:00 -
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I think war dec adds spice to the game, but I think it needs needs to be changed. It should cost a corp at least 10 mil and the corp must be at least 6 months old.
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Chinwe Rhei
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.02.22 08:31:00 -
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Edited by: Chinwe Rhei on 22/02/2011 08:33:39
Quote:
Bolded the important point for you.
Shooting someone is not griefing. Wardeccing someone isn't, either. Using a bunch of alts to spam someone with convos when he jumps into me however, is. Killing someone in a suicide kill isn't griefing, but dropping a gazillion cans to cause long gridloads for anyone entering grid is.
Griefing is not synonymous with exploiting game mechanics. There is a separate policy for that.
All those tactics and more can be used by dedicated griefers to harass and annoy others.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.02.22 08:57:00 -
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so... rants are allowed on the forums now? cause all the other ranty threads ive seen get locked 5 posts in
especially ones about hulkageddon or mining bots
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.02.22 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
so... rants are allowed on the forums now? cause all the other ranty threads ive seen get locked 5 posts in
especially ones about hulkageddon or mining bots
You mean they lock the unnecessary spam threads about issues that already have existing threads discussing them. I know they are important issues to others, but some of us don't want their crap cluttering up the whole forum.
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Ruby Udders
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Posted - 2011.02.22 09:47:00 -
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Wardecs are the price you pay for running your own corporation.
Deal with it.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2011.02.22 10:14:00 -
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OP:
Make a new toon on one of your accounts.
Just skill this bit of corporation management to be able to be CEO.
Make this toon (who never undocks) CEO of your corp.
When getting decced, your main (and the other corp members) leave decced corp to NPC corp.
Watch deccers dying from boredom.
Rejoin when wardec is over.
Rinse and repeat.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.02.22 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: HeIIfire11
CCP does not define what griefing is.
Yes, yes they do. What they consider griefing, and thus a bannable offense, is entirely up to them.
You can stomp your feet all you want, but in a game where nearly all harm is completely avoidable, the term "griefing" does not apply to a lot of activities.
Griefing is always a metagame activity to cause disruption of a game. If someone plays by the rules as they were intended, as opposed to playing the rules, it's not griefing. It is simply not possible to cause a situation where a player is defenseless against disruption. There's no camping corpses with no way out, there's no repeated teamkilling with no counter, there is no stand-at-spawn-and-taunt-repeatedly-while-your-team-dies.
Playing the game does not mean disruption of the game. I'm not mad at those stupid crocket slinging soldiers with their black box and call them griefers for killing me..that's just pointless. Calling people who wardec others griefers is ridiculous, as it is not disruptive of the game. If they had the ability to shut down your gameplay with no way out but logging off, then it would be griefing. But they can't shut you down. You have gazillion opportunities. Use them.
By the way, your wikipedia link..wow, what a bad article. Poorly researched, poorly sourced, and poorly written. I don't feel like correcting it right now, but that thing needs a rewrite badly.
First of all you guys can fix the wiki page all you want,it was just an example.
And if you say eve isnt full of griefers you know nothing of this game and should give me your stuff.Starting with Batolemaeus who is a ccp alt,fanboi or is completely clueless as to what goes on in eve.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Alcohlics Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.02.22 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Vrakas
I think the war-dec system in eve is just not right.
I pay good money to be able to play eve. I'm not big on PvP though, so I stay in high-sec space. I understand that if I go into low-sec I am at risk....
I pay for the commraderie, and PvE experience. I was part of a corp of people who share this philosophy. However, when a group of people in high-sec space war-dec a peaceful corp, we are put in a position where we are simply unable to play the game for as long as the war-dec is in place or until we disband our fellowship. Foolishly, I undocked and for no provoced reason lost months of work on my ship development. They are free to destroy the game experience for people who play this game for other reasons.
The system rewards individuals who enjoy griefing peaceful players, and punishes those who pay solely to make friends and take all the necessary precautions to avoid that kind of conflict. It's just not right....
End of Rant
Forming a corp is an explicit declaration that you're ready to play with the big boys now. Evidently you and your friends are not ready. The correct course of action is to join an established corp until you have the assets, experience, skills and motivation able to look after yourselves unsupported.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Iceni
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Posted - 2011.02.22 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: TravisWB
You cannot cherry-pick the type of game you want to play in EVE.
To the op.Although I agree with you 100% the above quote is true.
You have two options.Find a way to deal with it or quit.And I don't mean that in a nasty way.CCP likes these type of people which is why they leave doors open to them.
I'd say at least 50% of their income comes from these types of people(griefers).So either turn around and face **** em or find another game that doesn't make you put up with the dirt of man kind who are set on making peoples life hell.
My 2 isk.
No there is a third option. You and your corp should each train an alt to fly a hauler - only takes a few hours, if that. Create a sister corp and stick your alts in that, everyone switches to the alt corp whilst your main is wardecced. Sure, you'll be playing with a less skilled character for a while but it's a good workaround. 
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2011.02.22 12:25:00 -
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I'd ask for ur stuff, but u are obviously a noob without any iskies so i won't bother 
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Brahan Seer
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2011.02.22 13:11:00 -
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I would absolutely love it if someone war dec'd me. I don't see a problem.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.02.22 14:27:00 -
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Don't be a *****. Shoot them, cruisers and frigs don't cost much.
I got tired of every corp I joined docking up every time they got dec'd. Don't be like 99% of the highsec corps out there and shoot back for fun. Who cares if you lose a bunch of cheap ships and a clone here and there. Jump into a clean clone and you won't lose that much in the end, plus you might land yourselves some nice kills/loot.
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Jasper Locke
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Posted - 2011.02.22 15:34:00 -
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The fantastic thing about Eve is that there are multiple ways to handle a situation. For example, you could hire several other wardec-happy companies to wardec the offender and make their lives very unpleasant until they retract their wardec against you. |
Cory Sopapilla
Minmatar
Kiroshi Group
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Posted - 2011.02.22 16:09:00 -
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Sign on with like 3 accounts, put them all in the corp docked in the same station, turn the monitor off, then go to work/school. It'll give you a warm fuzzy feeling thinking of ppl camping them all day.
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Commander Disarray
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Posted - 2011.02.22 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Commander Disarray on 22/02/2011 16:30:59
I think a good way to avoid decs is to create a second account and LEAVE IT OUT OF A PLAYER CORP. This is only possible if you can afford it with RL money, or make so much ISK with it that you can keep it active with PLEX's.
This was a life saver for me when we were decced by a griefer corp a while back for over a month. I kept my main docked up and making ISK doing market/industrial stuff while the 2nd account kept raking in the ISK doing L4's without interruption. Most of the corp adopted the same strategy and the griefers got tired of it. We never disbanded or paid their lol-ransoms. It was great.
A second account can be a decent L4 mission runner in less than a month. Really good runner another month after. You won't regret it. Just keep its identity a secret so it can't be ganked.
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Cory Sopapilla
Minmatar
Kiroshi Group
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Posted - 2011.02.22 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Disarray
Edited by: Commander Disarray on 22/02/2011 16:30:59
I think a good way to avoid decs is to create a second account and LEAVE IT OUT OF A PLAYER CORP. This is only possible if you can afford it with RL money, or make so much ISK with it that you can keep it active with PLEX's.
This was a life saver for me when we were decced by a griefer corp a while back for over a month. I kept my main docked up and making ISK doing market/industrial stuff while the 2nd account kept raking in the ISK doing L4's without interruption. Most of the corp adopted the same strategy and the griefers got tired of it. We never disbanded or paid their lol-ransoms. It was great.
A second account can be a decent L4 mission runner in less than a month. Really good runner another month after. You won't regret it. Just keep its identity a secret so it can't be ganked.
Really you don't even need the 2nd account. Just train an alt up to being able to barely fly and fit a drake and you can do most lvl 4s. You could probably do it and only lose about 3 weeks of training time on the main char (less than you'd lose while camped in the long run).
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Tasha Novea
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Posted - 2011.02.22 18:58:00 -
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Edited by: Tasha Novea on 22/02/2011 18:58:24
How would you deal with a war like this one?
- You get probed out in your mission complex by a neutral alt.
- They bookmark and hand off to the wardec alt.
- The wardec alt comes on, kills you, logs off.
Very little chance they'll ever lose.
And this is all cool with CCP? 
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Hydroz0rz
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Posted - 2011.02.22 19:11:00 -
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Plenty of ways to have fun in wardecs.
Rule 1 : Know your session timers and have session timer enabled
Rule 2 : Know that when you un dock you are immune for the length of that session timer. You then simply re-dock and laugh at the deccers.
Rule 3 : When you get notification of getting wardecced setup insta warp points all over the place. 300k above/below/both sides of your station. Set up warp point above/below and both sides of all gates in system. This way you can view them from a distance and again annoy them.
A great tip is if you cannot fight the dec, Pay for some very good Mercs to do it for you. Get some reputable Mercs too. It will cost many hundreds of millions of isk but so worth it to see the deccers running with there bits in-between there legs.
If non of these are for you then make a channel for your corp and drop into a NPC corp this way you can still act as a corp knowing you cannot be harmed. The just go back into the corp as and when you feel.
Wardecs are only a problem if you allow them to be a problem.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.02.22 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 22/02/2011 19:15:36
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
so... rants are allowed on the forums now? cause all the other ranty threads ive seen get locked 5 posts in
especially ones about hulkageddon or mining bots
You mean they lock the unnecessary spam threads about issues that already have existing threads discussing them. I know they are important issues to others, but some of us don't want their crap cluttering up the whole forum.
Just like the bot threads and the hulkageddon threads lol
I say war decs are fine even though my last corp/alliance was destroyed/screwed by one
but then again there should be severe consequences for stupid actions in this game.. you plop a small POS in S I L E N T. alliance low sec and dont expect to die for it? lol
Hey anyone know anything about the TheEntity/S I L E N T. war?
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Hydroz0rz
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Posted - 2011.02.22 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tasha Novea
Edited by: Tasha Novea on 22/02/2011 18:58:24
How would you deal with a war like this one?
- You get probed out in your mission complex by a neutral alt.
- They bookmark and hand off to the wardec alt.
- The wardec alt comes on, kills you, logs off.
Very little chance they'll ever lose.
And this is all cool with CCP?
The chance of probing the correct ship out within a busy system is very slim unless its an obvious ship like a T3 or marauder. However any1 who is patient can do this. The kill is deserved as anyone who missions in a war dec is dumber than dumb.
Have probes on overview if u see 1 you got time, more than 3 then gtfo the lock is seconds away for them to warp on you.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.02.22 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Hydroz0rz
Originally by: Tasha Novea
Edited by: Tasha Novea on 22/02/2011 18:58:24
How would you deal with a war like this one?
- You get probed out in your mission complex by a neutral alt.
- They bookmark and hand off to the wardec alt.
- The wardec alt comes on, kills you, logs off.
Very little chance they'll ever lose.
And this is all cool with CCP?
The chance of probing the correct ship out within a busy system is very slim unless its an obvious ship like a T3 or marauder. However any1 who is patient can do this. The kill is deserved as anyone who missions in a war dec is dumber than dumb.
Have probes on overview if u see 1 you got time, more than 3 then gtfo the lock is seconds away for them to warp on you.
It's not very hard, especially when they see you enter the system, the target doesn't bother to rename their ships or the target's usual ship names are already known. They will narrow down the area with directional scan first, that way they only have probes out for a few seconds, more than likely you won't see the probes before they pinpoint you.
This shouldn't be an issue at all because if you're dec'd you don't mine, you don't mission and you don't just wander around...you look for your enemy and try to kill them, doing anything else while at war is just stupid.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.02.22 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
And if you say eve isnt full of griefers you know nothing of this game and should give me your stuff.Starting with Batolemaeus who is a ccp alt,fanboi or is completely clueless as to what goes on in eve.
Framing this.
Malcanis, are you reading this? Look at that guy! :D
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El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.02.22 19:38:00 -
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I've always thought it should be a bidding method.
Concord accepts the bribe, notifies parties that a bidding has occurred.
The party can then counter bribe.
Original party can then counter bribe.
etc.
24 hours after the original bribe Concord either declares the war valid or invalid depending who wins. All bribe money is forfeit....regardless of outcome.
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PeHD0M
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Posted - 2011.02.22 19:55:00 -
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You don't need a corporation to play with friends or to create your own community. You can create a private chat channel for comunication and be happy with that. 11% tax is nothing. And you can have a placeholder corporation (ratting, pos, jumpclones, etc).
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Palovana
Caldari
Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.22 20:03:00 -
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Get some fast-aligning ships and fit them for escape - low rack full of warp core stabilizers. Exit the station simultaneously and make a run for it in different directions. Either they'll split up or only follow one of you. If they split up, better chance of escaping. If they stay together and follow just one of you, that guy might be toast but some of you get away.
Create a new neutral alt and use him to scout the ships that are camping you into the station. Figure out what their weakest ship is, fit ships for alpha. Undock simultaneously and try to pop that weakest ship. Don't fit them too expensive as you'll probably lose the ships, but at least you'll have gotten one of them.
Jump clone out. Maybe not an option for you. Once the wardec is over you might want to look into creating one or two jump clones for emergency purposes. Corps exist to assist with the standings requirements.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.22 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tasha Novea
How would you deal with a war like this one?
You kill them.
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Exuro Novea
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.02.22 23:59:00 -
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Edited by: Exuro Novea on 22/02/2011 23:59:52
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garus banta
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Posted - 2011.02.23 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Musashi IV
I think war dec adds spice to the game, but I think it needs needs to be changed. It should cost a corp at least 10 mil and the corp must be at least 6 months old.
What ? Why ? Are you insane?
War decs are way more risky for people who dec then those who defend. You think it's easy to wardec? Try it yourself!
As for the crying about the wardec, let me guess, you operate close to a major trade hub, fly near there and sell near there to make a profit. Well guess what, the bigger the trade hub the bigger the risk. Oh yeah! Imagine that!
Dummy, go into a less crowded system, setup ops there and use alts NOT in your corp to sell your items at JITA.
Your first failure was assuming the game needs to be fixed when in effect you are a noob and fail to acknowledge that your actions were not too smart.
Also did you know it costs you less money to start a new corp then it does to wardec?
Think about it for a second.
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Eyezpiddydafooh
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2011.02.23 01:04:00 -
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The best way to get rid of these riff-raff is to hire Merc's.
We do our job and do it well. Your guaranteed not to get war-dec'd by that same corp.
Now if they are part of a large alliance that is a whole other story, but usually we can negotiate something. Everything has a price of course! ;)
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Xiozor
The Ditanian Fleet
Excuses.
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Posted - 2011.02.23 02:39:00 -
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Edited by: Xiozor on 23/02/2011 02:39:52
A member of a corp I had war-decced once wrote a poem about us and recited it on our Teamspeak. It was pretty good, and I was left rather impressed. I dropped the dec as a result. Just try unsavoury methods of appeasement :P
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Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.02.23 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: Vrakas
The system rewards individuals who enjoy griefing peaceful players, and punishes those who pay solely to make friends and take all the necessary precautions to avoid that kind of conflict. It's just not right....
haha, lemme get this straight. You undocked your ship with war targets in local?
This counts as taking all the necessary precautions to avoid PvP does it? 
The 'system' as you put it, rewards the people who win at PvP, and punishes those who lose at PvP.
Easy way to make sure you get rewarded? Get all your corp together and then go win at PvP, kill the guys wardeccing you, sell all the loot, and then come tell me who's getting rewarded and who's getting punished.
I mean you're in an active corp, and if you run missions you're all skilled for combat ship. It's not that hard to just pretend you're PvEing against like, really hard rats or something right?
That or you can roll over and pay the ransom.
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Mikalya
Amarr
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.02.23 05:14:00 -
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First, Crumplecorn had some words of wisdom for the OP:
Now, for some advise...
Eve is about combat, simple enough. I used to feel the same way about wardecs, "griefer corps", non-consentual PvP, etc. I liked the idea of a fluffy carebear land in space with everyone happily going about their own business.
Then the first wardecs came. It wasn't pretty at all. Ugh it wasn't pretty.
Then next ones came and we found out that someone was paying these "jerks" to drive us out.
We disbanded and moved to the other side of the universe. And did some research. And figured out what was going on. And we created alts and hit back. Wow it was fun.
3 years later I'm flying with a group that normally has 4-6 forums threads whining about how they should be "dealt with", removed from the game, etc. because we wardec some 35 THOUSAND players' worth of corporations and alliances a week. Elite "0.0 PvP" groups, other merc groups, even carebear groups. Anyone that has over 100 active members is a potential target. Anyone that ****es someone off enough to afford our fees is a potential target.
Yes, I'm one of those "griefers" now. You know what? I do it for the thrill of combat (this is a GAME, its supposed to be fun) AND it pays well. And its a lot more fun than running the blockade for the 626,894th time.....
Wardecs are part of the game, you don't have to participate if you don't want. Just drop corp, form your own "channel" which everyone joins, and play as you always have. The only thing you don't have is a corporation hanger, everything else is the same as before.
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Acac Sunflyier
Gallente
Ketsui ga Katai
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Posted - 2011.02.23 10:54:00 -
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Forum Rules of Conduct Linkage
#5 Ranting is prohibited
A rant is a long-winded, redundant post, often filled with angry, non-constructive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and helpful in the development of the game, but rants are disruptive and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise, clear manner and avoid going off on rambling tangents.
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Julien Brellier
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Posted - 2011.02.23 11:02:00 -
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Make a new alt.
Make a new corp with this new alt.
Make an Alliance with this new corp.
Wardeccers will now have to pay 50 million isk more to dec the Alliance instead of a 2 million to dec a single corp.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2011.02.23 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tasha Novea
Edited by: Tasha Novea on 22/02/2011 18:58:24
How would you deal with a war like this one?
- You get probed out in your mission complex by a neutral alt.
- They bookmark and hand off to the wardec alt.
- The wardec alt comes on, kills you, logs off.
Very little chance they'll ever lose.
And this is all cool with CCP?
When you are missioning while at war, you¦re doing it wrong.
CCP gave you a lot of mechanics to circle around griefing deccers, when you don¦t want to fight them, deal with it. |
Megan Maynard
Minmatar
Out of Order
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Posted - 2011.02.23 12:32:00 -
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Your corp really needs jump clones...
You get war dec'd have the entire corp jump clone to another region.
Pretty damn simple. Most war dec's will evaporate when you do this.
NOTE: simply jump cloning to another system nearby will not work, it's easy to find someone near by, not so much if they are 40 jumps away.
Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: Stareatthesun
No no no ... Polaris is where CCP keeps the death star that will destroy eve when the servers shut down.
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Tarasina
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Posted - 2011.02.23 12:39:00 -
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Edited by: Tarasina on 23/02/2011 12:40:53
Originally by: Megan Maynard
Your corp really needs jump clones...
You get war dec'd have the entire corp jump clone to another region.
Pretty damn simple. Most war dec's will evaporate when you do this.
NOTE: simply jump cloning to another system nearby will not work, it's easy to find someone near by, not so much if they are 40 jumps away.
It's not exactly hard to use a Locator agent. Doesn't cost much and only takes a few minutes to get system name of target.
And if whole corp jumpcloned to same system...oh boy.
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Posted - 2011.02.23 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: Scarry Peak on 23/02/2011 13:29:01
If you don't want to/can't afford a second account - get an alt going and trained up while you are being decced. Run missions to your heart's content. Keep it as a spare and use it as a scout to see what the bad guys are up to.
Chat channel with your corp mates alts...
Or - when my little 3 man corp got decced - my corp mates are L4 solo-ers - me a humble L3 soloer and L4 sidekick. I got onto Battleclinic and specced up a PVP fit ship and played hide and seek with the deccing corp - mainly because they were hardly ever on line when we were.
Worst that was gonna happen? My T1 PVP fit cruiser was gonna be shot out from under me but I was gonna learn about PVP fits? Is that really so bad?
Dec finished - we went back to normal...
There's ways and means, OP...
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.23 13:50:00 -
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The game provide avenues for recourse.
0/10
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Gillaboo
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Posted - 2011.02.23 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Vrakas
I pay good money to be able to play eve.
Need a blankie?
Clearly, you need to learn how to play EvE.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.02.23 14:14:00 -
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If you have to use the phrase "i plau good money to play eve" you dont understand eve. you ARE playing EVE when you get wardecced. If you dont like this, guess what you dont like EVE.
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BOOM BOOM POW
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Posted - 2011.02.23 14:19:00 -
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im bored can you tell?
EVE after you change our diapers! Please wash away our TEARS
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Waaaaaagggh
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Posted - 2011.02.23 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Waaaaaagggh on 23/02/2011 14:22:08
that's what i love about the game though...
Our first run with griefers ended badly for us too, and it was fun. Dying in EVE is consequential. So even if you die, it feels powerful.
Also, you realize that just by this rant, you draw unnecessary attention to your corp for more griefers right?
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Charles Gently
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Posted - 2011.02.23 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vrakas
The system rewards individuals who enjoy griefing peaceful players, and punishes those who pay solely to make friends and take all the necessary precautions to avoid that kind of conflict. It's just not right....
It's not like that by accident or defect. Watch the start up video, "Dare to be bold, Pilot." CCP like's PvPers and people who grief because they lose ships and money. Driving the Eve economy forward. Without them, you wouldn't be able to play the game at all because inflation would be so high.
So either stop your whining and train up for a decent pvp fit
Or realize half the game is politics and just pay them off to go away. If 2m is peanuts for you then surely 350m to stop a dec is manageable.
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k Rose
BOOM BOOM POW
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Posted - 2011.02.23 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Waaaaaagggh
Edited by: Waaaaaagggh on 23/02/2011 14:22:08
that's what i love about the game though...
Our first run with griefers ended badly for us too, and it was fun. Dying in EVE is consequential. So even if you die, it feels powerful.
Also, you realize that just by this rant, you draw unnecessary attention to your corp for more griefers right?
Where are they again?
Please deposit LARGE AMOUNTS of isk in my wallet
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MrWild
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Posted - 2011.02.23 14:43:00 -
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if you and your corp really want to annoy the war dec corp log everyone in then go play another game and relog only after dt.
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CCP Adida
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.23 14:56:00 -
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Locked for ranting
Adida
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CCP Hf, EVE Online
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