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REiiGN15 Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.24 13:25:00 - [1] I know we have Cap'n Quarters coming out during the summer, but what about DUST 514? Is it still on, or dropped like a rock? They said Cap'n Quarters was just one of many features hitting this summer. Reason I ask is because I think it's a really neat idea and what has drawn me to EVE. Plus, that's my niche, Console FPS(don't flame me for that I was born and raised on consoles). I think it would really work, but honestly, you can't have it be subscription-based at all or even tease with it. I don't know the whole logistics of how it would work, but I'm excited if it is still coming out. ================================================= What is right is not always popular, and what is popular is not always right.
Joe SMASH You Got A Purty Mouth	Posted - 2011.02.24 13:30:00 - [2] Release date for DUST was announced a while back to be December 22, 2012. CCP did not want to risk releasing a product before the supposed end-of-the-world on the 21st, so they made the date the 22nd. It is CCP's way of saying, "WOO! We are still alive! Have this game we have been working on for a few years as a 'hooray we're alive' gift!" Of course... if the world does end on the 21st... Well, I guess we will have to wait for DUST after updating our IRL clones in a station far far away. ----------------------------------- More stuff goes here.
Eastman Color	Posted - 2011.02.24 13:31:00 - [3] I'm still not convinced that console FPS players have the attention span for anything that ties into eve. The idea is nice, gimicy and something that made me go "ooh that's co..... look something else"
TokiWartooth Joringer	Posted - 2011.02.24 13:50:00 - [4] ^^ what he said
Jennifer Starling	Posted - 2011.02.24 13:57:00 - [5] Originally by: Eastman Color I'm still not convinced that console FPS players have the attention span for anything that ties into eve. So in your opinion they're mutually exclusive, e.g. EVE players don't have a console and visa versa?
REiiGN15 Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.24 13:57:00 - [6] If they make it truly competitive then it can be. There are console FPS gamers that are more than just COD drones. We do tryout new games a lot. Maybe you're right but they really need to have that great appeal; however, they could release it on PC, but maybe not because ppl really love for PC FPSs to be LAN-ready. And yes, there are LANs; internet hasn't taken over everything. If you expose EVE to console players, then they will appreciate it and even play the real EVE game. Otherwise they live in their COD bubbles and you won't get their isk. ================================================= What is right is not always popular, and what is popular is not always right.
Kuronaga Kantian Principle	Posted - 2011.02.24 14:02:00 - [7] I was raised on both PC and console. I loved both, I admire what both can do. The FPS console crowd is, however, a running ADHD joke. They know nothing of commitment to a game, and most will jump ship as soon as the next big FPS comes out.
Kengutsi Akira	Posted - 2011.02.24 14:09:00 - [8] Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 24/02/2011 14:10:20 Soon(TM) Funny, I play console AND EVE And EVE since 2006 I bet Im not the only one ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass"
Othran Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.02.24 14:09:00 - [9] I'll be amazed if CCP manage to sell more than a couple of thousand copies of Dust to people who have never heard of Eve. The console market is ultra-competitive and frankly CCP don't have the financial muscle to get the game on shelves in any sort of quantity or prominence, so I suspect it'll sell in the same sort of quantities as Eve did on shelves - ie not a lot. Even if the game is a technical marvel (which I seriously doubt given CCPs QA) people won't buy it because they'll never hear about it/see it.
REiiGN15 Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.24 14:15:00 - [10] Originally by: Kuronaga I was raised on both PC and console. I loved both, I admire what both can do. The FPS console crowd is, however, a running ADHD joke. They know nothing of commitment to a game, and most will jump ship as soon as the next big FPS comes out. We do know commitment to a game. However, every game gets stale if you don't update it with new maps or release a patch to fix bugs. You also can't charge a lot for such things like a $15 dollar mappack that includes only 3 maps(COD). Microtransactions can work when dealing with consoles so besides just selling the game there is more money for CCP to make. I'm just a fan of this game and a fan of console FPSs. There are a lot of loyal console FPS gamers out there. Game companies just have let their games decide if we'll be loyal or not. ================================================= What is right is not always popular, and what is popular is not always right.

Jack Gilligan 1st Cavalry Division	Posted - 2011.02.24 14:24:00 - [11] If it came out for the PC, I'd probably buy it. I am not buying a console for any reason, however. I've only owned two in my lifetime, the original Atari 2600 and the Sega Genesis. Console MMOs have pretty much been failures. MMOFPS games have also generally failed. DCUO, which recently released, is both cross platform (console and PC) and tries to be FPS like and has flopped on the market. Tabula Rasa, backed by none other than Lord British himself (Richard Garriott) was a Sci-Fi MMOFPS and it didn't even last a year. So, yeah, the DUST514 concept as shown to us so far isn't very likely to garner more than a handful of thousands of existing EVE players who like FPS's who happen to own consoles, it's not going to gain traction anywhere else. CCP's upcoming "Twilight Online", if they spray it with teen girl (and middle aged mother) emo vampire fan angst juice has a better chance of success than DUST. For the last year, and continuing through this year, additions to EVE are being dictated by what has to be in it for DUST to release. That's why Dominion was done. It's why planets were revamped and PI put in place. It's why avatars were revamped, and it's why Captain's Quarters are the next expansion. Huge mistake, if you ask me. EVE expansions should be dictated by what is best for EVE, not DUST or Twilight.
Sinister Dextor	Posted - 2011.02.24 15:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Jennifer Starling Originally by: Eastman Color I'm still not convinced that console FPS players have the attention span for anything that ties into eve. So in your opinion they're mutually exclusive, e.g. EVE players don't have a console and visa versa? That's not the point is it? Dust won't survive on a player-base of Eve console owners, and it is obviously CCP's business strategy to extend into the massive console customer pool. But those players, especially FPS players, are notoriously lacking in the attention span area. DUST would have to be ****ing amazing to grab a large amount of subscribers at launch, and even if it is, will lose most of them when the next big thing comes out.
Alexeph Stoekai Stoekai Corp	Posted - 2011.02.24 15:10:00 - [13] Well, the next EVE novel, which will reportedly tie in to DUST, is slated for release on September 27th. Presumably, DUST will hit the shelves at some point related to this. -----
Major Failsauce Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.02.24 15:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Kengutsi Akira Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 24/02/2011 14:10:20 Soon(TM) Funny, I play console AND EVE And EVE since 2006 I bet Im not the only one I bet you don't play the same console game as you did in 2006 anymore!
Josefius Gallente JOKAS Industries Matari Legion	Posted - 2011.02.24 15:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Major Failsauce Originally by: Kengutsi Akira Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 24/02/2011 14:10:20 Soon(TM) Funny, I play console AND EVE And EVE since 2006 I bet Im not the only one I bet you don't play the same console game as you did in 2006 anymore! I was still playing Rolling Thunder on my old NES toaster console up until last year when it was destroyed in a fire.
Scortched Merc	Posted - 2011.02.24 17:13:00 - [16] Originally by: Joe SMASH Release date for DUST was announced a while back to be December 22, 2012. CCP did not want to risk releasing a product before the supposed end-of-the-world on the 21st, so they made the date the 22nd. It is CCP's way of saying, "WOO! We are still alive! Have this game we have been working on for a few years as a 'hooray we're alive' gift!" Of course... if the world does end on the 21st... Well, I guess we will have to wait for DUST after updating our IRL clones in a station far far away. I lol'd
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.02.24 17:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Joe SMASH Release date for DUST was announced a while back to be December 22, 2012. CCP did not want to risk releasing a product before the supposed end-of-the-world on the 21st, so they made the date the 22nd. It is CCP's way of saying, "WOO! We are still alive! Have this game we have been working on for a few years as a 'hooray we're alive' gift!" Of course... if the world does end on the 21st... Well, I guess we will have to wait for DUST after updating our IRL clones in a station far far away. This...is WIN.
G'auldman Sachs	Posted - 2011.02.24 17:46:00 - [18] Im not holding my breath, but hopeful.
ITTigerClawIK Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2011.02.24 17:47:00 - [19] Originally by: REiiGN15 I know we have Cap'n Quarters coming out during the summer, but what about DUST 514? Is it still on, or dropped like a rock? They said Cap'n Quarters was just one of many features hitting this summer. Reason I ask is because I think it's a really neat idea and what has drawn me to EVE. Plus, that's my niche, Console FPS(don't flame me for that I was born and raised on consoles). I think it would really work, but honestly, you can't have it be subscription-based at all or even tease with it. I don't know the whole logistics of how it would work, but I'm excited if it is still coming out. As a certain CCP Ovuer once said " When its ready. like Duke Nukem" Sig space reclaimed in the name of me -courtesy of Tiggy ([email protected])
SNeAkYbRiT Gunslingers Corp	Posted - 2011.02.24 18:02:00 - [20] Quote: As a certain CCP Ovuer once said " When its ready. like Duke Nukem" "Duke Nukem Forever« Set to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum Starting May 3, 2011" Well looks like CCP need to pull their finger out then lol

Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.02.24 18:03:00 - [21] iirc closed beta testing has already started for the game, or at least the first round of closed beta keys have been given out.
Astral Lateris	Posted - 2011.02.24 19:16:00 - [22] I do hope Dust 514 will be released for the PC in addition to the console. I think it is a mistake not to do this.
TrustThePilot Caldari Exiled. The Kadeshi	Posted - 2011.02.24 19:26:00 - [23] jury is out until i understand how sov mechanics will be affected
Mister Rocknrolla	Posted - 2011.02.24 20:02:00 - [24] If the release of Dust is like the Incarna rollout, it will likely be released without multiplayer support initially...but with a promise of more content in the future.
Jerome Travis	Posted - 2011.02.24 20:37:00 - [25] Originally by: Major Failsauce Originally by: Kengutsi Akira Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 24/02/2011 14:10:20 Soon(TM) Funny, I play console AND EVE And EVE since 2006 I bet Im not the only one I bet you don't play the same console game as you did in 2006 anymore! I play both, EvE and Console FPS (in general a lot of console games), and guess what, i'm still playing CoD4. Why? MW2 sucks, Black Op's sucks, easy as that. But of course i know what you mean, i played PC FPS for a lot of years, mostly Delta Force and Return to Castle Wolfenstein; ET. I'm looking forward to Dust, and I'll try to bring in as many Console-Friends as possible.
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2011.02.25 03:31:00 - [26] Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 25/02/2011 03:34:37 Doesn't really matter when it's released, will only sell for a few weeks all the same. Another generic FPS engine console port for the pile. Aren't we glad they killed eve dev to work on it. Originally by: Jack Gilligan For the last year, and continuing through this year, additions to EVE are being dictated by what has to be in it for DUST to release. That's why Dominion was done. It's why planets were revamped and PI put in place. It's why avatars were revamped, and it's why Captain's Quarters are the next expansion. Huge mistake, if you ask me. EVE expansions should be dictated by what is best for EVE, not DUST or Twilight. 100% pure unadulterated truth. So sad that no one in CCP seems to see how far they've stretched things.
Scuttle Bunny Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.25 03:44:00 - [27] play halo pretend ur on amarr another arrow :D .... one more oh yeah :) on to the next comment -----------------------------------------------------------------> ....where's the down arrow?? --------------------->>>>>
Lord Viziam	Posted - 2011.02.25 04:00:00 - [28] Edited by: Lord Viziam on 25/02/2011 04:00:42 I think you all are missing a major part of ccp's strategy.. Dust won't be like your typical fps console game where you the player are not really "invested" in the game, and so switch to the next thing. If you weren't invested in Eve by you character skills, assets, friends, would you still be playing? I doubt it. This is what I think CCP will bring to dust. Skills, skill points, corp assets, friendships. I think if you put that into an fps shooter in a persistent universe, you will get people sticking around for the long term.
mkmin	Posted - 2011.02.25 04:52:00 - [29] Originally by: Lord Viziam Edited by: Lord Viziam on 25/02/2011 04:00:42 I think you all are missing a major part of ccp's strategy.. Dust won't be like your typical fps console game where you the player are not really "invested" in the game, and so switch to the next thing. If you weren't invested in Eve by you character skills, assets, friends, would you still be playing? I doubt it. This is what I think CCP will bring to dust. Skills, skill points, corp assets, friendships. I think if you put that into an fps shooter in a persistent universe, you will get people sticking around for the long term. You're missing one vital fact in all your speculation: CCP releases half-assed incomplete product even when they think they are doing a kickass complete job. The difference is now they are acknowledging it with their "phased release," but they can't get away with that even a little bit with an FPS, and they have yet to prove they can deliver a full featured product in one go. You make your speculations based on what you want, but the way CCP has always done things, you'll get a truly vanilla FPS where the duster can't tell they are even a part of a bigger world.
Aeronwen Carys	Posted - 2011.02.25 07:01:00 - [30] Edited by: Aeronwen Carys on 25/02/2011 07:02:12 Originally by: Dr BattleSmith Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 25/02/2011 03:34:37 Doesn't really matter when it's released, will only sell for a few weeks all the same. Another generic FPS engine console port for the pile. Aren't we glad they killed eve dev to work on it. Originally by: Jack Gilligan For the last year, and continuing through this year, additions to EVE are being dictated by what has to be in it for DUST to release. That's why Dominion was done. It's why planets were revamped and PI put in place. It's why avatars were revamped, and it's why Captain's Quarters are the next expansion. Huge mistake, if you ask me. EVE expansions should be dictated by what is best for EVE, not DUST or Twilight. 100% pure unadulterated truth. So sad that no one in CCP seems to see how far they've stretched things. Sorry, not unadulterated truth. More like unadulterated bovine fecal matter and a dose of daddy bags. Dominion was not done because of Dust, Captains Quarters are not because of Dust. This guy is speaking from his rectum and clearly has zero idea what EVE is about or what CCP has had planned since the original inception of the game. From the very beginning EVE was destined to become a complete sci-fi universe, and NOT just internet spaceships. CCP have stated that as fact, time and time again, but for some reason people like that idiot don't listen. They think THEY know what EVE is meant to be and where it should be heading, and the second it looks like deviating from that course they begin screaming that "The sky is falling omfg EVE is dying omfg guis". There is not a single person here who knows for sure what CCP are doing, and where things are heading with regards to future changes. None of us knows CCP's financial status or whether they have sufficient funding and backing to properly market Dust514, but it should be clear to most intelligent people that a company of CCP's size and standing would NOT be risking the release of an IP like Dust514 unless they were pretty damn certain they knew it would work. Remember folks, these are the same people that started CCP and developed EVE from scratch, they know their market and they know what it takes. So get off your high horses, stop spouting theory as fact and stop acting like you and your ideas are the only ones that have merit. Dust514 is coming like it or not, Incarna is coming like it or not. These are things you are going to have to get used to, or you could always just leave.

Sadayiel Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.02.25 08:24:00 - [31] Edited by: Sadayiel on 25/02/2011 08:24:43 If CCP is smart they will deliver Dust as a console version of battlefield 2 based on EVE universe and Tbh after spent years playing quake series, Half-Life, counter strike, Battle field and such i can see the game may rock, not only because it will give unlockable advantages if you keep playing in the long term but mostly because unlike most of the previous games, you will not be facing a random series of maps without other purpouse than win the game, but a whole campaign which outcome actually matters.
Dana Jin	Posted - 2011.02.25 08:24:00 - [32] Quote: Sorry, not unadulterated truth. More like unadulterated bovine fecal matter and a dose of daddy bags. Dominion was not done because of Dust, Captains Quarters are not because of Dust. This guy is speaking from his rectum and clearly has zero idea what EVE is about or what CCP has had planned since the original inception of the game. From the very beginning EVE was destined to become a complete sci-fi universe, and NOT just internet spaceships. CCP have stated that as fact, time and time again, but for some reason people like that idiot don't listen. They think THEY know what EVE is meant to be and where it should be heading, and the second it looks like deviating from that course they begin screaming that "The sky is falling omfg EVE is dying omfg guis". There is not a single person here who knows for sure what CCP are doing, and where things are heading with regards to future changes. None of us knows CCP's financial status or whether they have sufficient funding and backing to properly market Dust514, but it should be clear to most intelligent people that a company of CCP's size and standing would NOT be risking the release of an IP like Dust514 unless they were pretty damn certain they knew it would work. Remember folks, these are the same people that started CCP and developed EVE from scratch, they know their market and they know what it takes. So get off your high horses, stop spouting theory as fact and stop acting like you and your ideas are the only ones that have merit. Dust514 is coming like it or not, Incarna is coming like it or not. These are things you are going to have to get used to, or you could always just leave. jumps from seat and claps vigorously while whistling and cheering for an encore Glad to see someone defending the DEVS and THEIR visions for EVE, while putting whining babies in their place. +10 internets for you. Bravo...bravo.
Auvergne Emir	Posted - 2011.02.25 08:54:00 - [33] Originally by: Eastman Color I'm still not convinced that console FPS players have the attention span for anything that ties into eve. Quote: except for you right?? What crap! Leave your head down the toilet? Who are you? Shigeru Miyamoto? I have been playing Eve for 3 years now, solidly, with 50m SP across 2 chars to show for it. Also, I was a hardcore console FPS player. I have been owning players ingame for 16 years, since the heady days of Rare and 'Goldeneye' thru Halo, Battlefield....etc etc. My friend is the same, and so is his friend, and his friend....your statement sir, is dumb, to say the least. As for Dust...I imagine Dust to be a live and rolling enviroment that you log into much like Eve. Try to imagine an FPS with no lobbies and no matches, instead a realtime FPS universe where 24hrs are 24hrs and the match never ends. You log in and log out but the game/universe never, never, stops. Except mebe for a downtime of somesort
Hakkar'al Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.25 09:23:00 - [34] Originally by: Dana Jin Glad to see someone defending the DEVS and THEIR visions for EVE, while putting whining babies in their place. +10 internets for you. Bravo...bravo. Only +10? Surely was worth more. Especially the point in seeing the Big Picture(TM) as CCP has stated it time and again. Dust is very logical in that concept, so is Incarna.
captain skinback	Posted - 2011.02.25 10:22:00 - [35] if ccp are making a complete syfi universe what else are they going to implement? i would imagine they would expand walking in stations to walking on planets. making as many potential careers for someone on the ground as there is for pilots in space.
Eastman Color	Posted - 2011.02.25 10:26:00 - [36] Originally by: Eastman Color I'm still not convinced that console FPS players have the attention span for anything that ties into eve. The idea is nice, gimicy and something that made me go "ooh that's co..... look something else" Clearly I need to clarify that by "console FPS players" I mean "the average console FPS player that I've met in my travels", yes there are some that will grab the game and get stuck into it with an insatiable loyalty But CCP are going to have a hard time keeping the average FPS players attention when CoD5, BF4, whatever comes out. The general trend I've seen with FPS's is that one will come out every 3-5 and set the tone for the market as all the other marketing\development department scramble to clone\loosely copy that idea. If you chuck up a stack of screenshots from say Killzone 3, Modern Warfare 2 and Medal of Honor at a quick glimpse I'd be hard pressed to tell the difference. From the limited amount of things I've heard so far about dust, there doesn't seem to be that much difference to other games, at face value that is, yes it ties into a bigger universe, yes hired by eve players blah blah blah but the actual core still seems to be "run capture flag" or "ticker based combat" and with games like bulletstorm, that seem to be injecting some much needed comedy into the genre, on the shelves it'll be interesting to see what happens. Finally, This whole "we've always wanted EVE to be a sci-fi simulator" thing is only something that I remember hearing about in recent history. I've been playing eve for about 6 years and it's only in the past 2 that I've heard anything about this "final plan" and to me it smells like marketing hyperbload... yes yes yes tin foil hats. I would like to see someone map out references to it on a time line though, just for interests. Like it or not, eve has reached the "big business" stage so more and more of the game is going to be dictated by marketing and PR rather than "original dream" and original dream I suspect may well be thrown in with whatever new content appears as a "we always wanted to do that.... honest". Personally big business saddens me more often than not because quality takes a back seat to numbers where as they should look at it another way, like a bathroom fitter I know. He approaches ever job as though he's doing his own house, he takes his time, he does a phenomenal job on every project he does, if he takes longer than he says then so be it, he never skimps on quality. Because of this, he's booked solidly for the next 2 years, even to the extent that he's upped his prices, in some cases trippeling them compared to others in the area and still people will wait for him and pay the extra. Why? Quality
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2011.02.25 23:06:00 - [37] To the guy who thinks all this new crap being rushed out so they can release DUST is somehow unrelated to DUST..... I suggest you read some of what CCP has said about how they planned to approach this release. It's just fact, sorry, it's ugly and horrible for us players but it's the plan the CCP is executing. Doesn't require your belief.
prospector oen	Posted - 2011.02.26 22:16:00 - [38] well dust is in the fail bin a bit like incursions u wouldnt expect anything less tho
Liv Fyrdemise Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.27 04:23:00 - [39] Dust is for the next generation. Its new territory. New market. They have the money. They will use it strategically and a lot will depend on good reviews and word of mouth. Eve is a cerebral game which skews towards older players who will invest time and money. Dust does not need to be a blockbuster. It just needs a steady year over year increase much like eve developed. This is going to be for a younger pvp audience and what CCP is trying to do is build an alt revenue stream which brings them into line with the current generation of players. The PVP has to be strong enough and the rules simple enough for this crowd. Eve is known as a cut throat pvp. There are many organized clans throughout the world that welcome the amoral play style but not the learning curve. Its not intended to kill WoW nor are they expecting Eve players to migrate en masse. What they want is new subscription revenue that will sustain emergence into a cross platform gaming environment and allow them to move forward with new technology. I don't really understand all the emotion around this. But as a business decision it is sound. They don't need a perfect product either. It just needs to be engaging at the onset.
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2011.02.27 04:59:00 - [40] Originally by: Liv Fyrdemise Dust does not need to be a blockbuster. It just needs a steady year over year increase much like eve developed. Name one FPS which has shown growth beyond 12 months from release.

Damien Grimm Muutaras	Posted - 2011.02.27 05:13:00 - [41] Originally by: Dr BattleSmith Originally by: Liv Fyrdemise Dust does not need to be a blockbuster. It just needs a steady year over year increase much like eve developed. Name one FPS which has shown growth beyond 12 months from release. Before he does that, name one console FPS that was designed to grow steadily over time.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.02.27 08:29:00 - [42] People who claim Dust has to go up against CoD or whatever the FOTM in console-FPS is implicate that Eve, to be considered successful, would need to go up against WoW or whatever the FOTM in PC-MMORPG is. In reality CCP always seems to aim for a small crowd of the market and goes from there.. Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!


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