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Splodger
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.02.25 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: Splodger on 25/02/2011 12:26:23 Hi all,
Well after quite a few months of coding and learning all sorts I finally decided to release a tool Ive made for exploring wormholes. Its still a work in progress project, but overall it works without complaining!
Its meant to be clean and simple, but give you the maximum amount of customizable information as possible at the same time.
N.B. Can also be used in highsec for shortest routes to trade hubs!
Screenshot
It currently only works in game. (May change later - due to different browser compatibility)
link -> http://www.splodger.com/wormnav/igb.php
Alot of inspiration came from Jovelabs and Staticmapper and a big thanks to all the ideas and feedback from my Corp, any further feedback would be welcome.
Thanks Splodger
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benjam14
Minmatar Trauma Ward
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Posted - 2011.02.25 20:40:00 -
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Awesome tool mate, nice work. Been using it today and it's very useful =P [url=http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=benjam14][/url] |
Splodger
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.02.26 12:07:00 -
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Cheers, Thanks for the feedback.
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Pocurk
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.02.26 12:42:00 -
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As im in the same corp as Splodger, ive been using this tool awhile, and he is being a little too modest.
First of all there is no typing involved. You can always just click "update location" and the tool updates everything.
Everything on the screenshot thats underlined, is clickable. This means you will have info on jumps, kills - pve and/or pvp, in the timeframe you prefer.
If you, like me, cant remember what specific effects every class/type wh have, you can just click that and it will let you know.
The links will also inform you of spawns in sites, which can come in handy if your looking to do some pve, or looking to kill people doing pve.
The tool will also tell you what the static exit is in your current location, and what signature size it is, which should greatly improve time spend scanning. If you dont know what signature sizes are, youll want to find out, unless Splodger includes it, in this tool.
So to sum it all up, this tool is ideal for wormhole dwellers. Im sure other corps have other tools, that may be better/different, but this will be of great help to anyone using multiple links/sites in or out of game, to improve their wormhole life. It has certantly improved mine.
Regards, Pocurk
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Zarak1 Kenpach1
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.02.26 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Zarak1 Kenpach1 on 26/02/2011 16:16:26 From what i can see, your tool looks like a spiffy gadget for sure.
but, a word of warning to anyone considering using this tool to organize and map your routes.
Notice where the tool loads up from? thats rights its splodgers personal URL. use this tool if you dont mind your privacy being invaded. because splodger will be able to use this tool to gain access to any route posted in its system.
whether or not he choses to say as much in this thread after i bring it to light is anyones guess. but, i'm POSITIVE he will have access to all nav data entered into his tool.
release the source code for your tool or its not worth it for all these little guys who cant make their own tools to just hand vipers the keys to their systems.
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Oritar
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.02.26 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Zarak1 Kenpach1 Edited by: Zarak1 Kenpach1 on 26/02/2011 16:30:17
From what i can see, your tool looks like a spiffy gadget for sure.
but, a word of warning to anyone considering using this tool to organize and map your routes.
Notice where the tool loads up from? thats rights its splodgers personal URL. use this tool if you dont mind your privacy being invaded. because splodger will be able to use this tool to gain access to any route posted in its system.
everytime you update current location, your IGB sends where you are at to their server. after you ping it a few times running down a static chain you have just build black vipers a back trace on your route and all they gotta do is some very rudimentary scanning to get to you.
whether or not he choses to say as much in this thread after i bring it to light is anyones guess. but, i'm POSITIVE he will have access to all nav data entered into his tool.
release the source code for your tool or its not worth it for all these little guys who cant make their own tools to just hand vipers the keys to their systems.
Zarak1 is absolutely right. This app will make it possible for the developer to map out lots of connections, and it will be dead easy to get a route into your WH, with the consequences that has.
Releasing the source code would be a good thing for Vipers reputation.
-Ori
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Nike Shoks
Caldari Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.02.26 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: Nike Shoks on 26/02/2011 19:11:08 Why would we even bother to try and track people down when we can just close and open new holes?
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Zarak1 Kenpach1
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.02.26 19:40:00 -
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I do not know, why don't you tell me. Since after all, you are the ones that created a program that will let you track peoples movements through wh space every time they click a button on your site.
As I stated before. Provide the source code or people should just assume this is a tracking device.
It would be one thing if your corp was using it internally to track your own movements. But, your offering this as a free service that in fact has a huge price attached to it that your not advertising.
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Nike Shoks
Caldari Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.02.26 19:50:00 -
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This tool is not belonged to Black Viper Nomads, its splodgers. I highly doubt splodger realised and intended to exploit this tool as a tracking device. Im sure that will fix this issue as soon as he can.
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Ace Secunda
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.02.26 20:08:00 -
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Use it at your own risk, like using a public car park, but we really are much too lazy to chase halfway accross the universe to catch some guy whos probably in a cov-ops even if we could trace a persons whereabouts in WH space :D
I can certainly say this site has been invaluable to us over that past months.
'If I can't blow it up It don't exsist'
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.02.26 20:24:00 -
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ITT: AHARM points out that the IGB Trust Site? question is a meaningful one. We at Vipers can indeed be chill brosefs sipping Pina Coladas by the pool and wait for you other guys to just tell us when you're out to k-space/connected w-space and that it's worth our time backtracking the big juicy fat size 10 K162s. We could probably even pull what ships your flying, your skills/mods, who knows-not us because we really CBA to dig into it any furthur. |
JimmyThePimp
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.02.26 20:53:00 -
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confirming that we asked splodge to make this so we can track random ships in random wh's.
because quite honestly, what i enjoy most is burning across empire with negative sec, sitting in a system with a cloaked ship ive never seen, watching his probes drift around planets, waiting to follow him back to his pos to see him log off.
all the folks we hunt atm without our super secret tracking device, without even needing to fire off a probe, those are just killing time until the real fun starts and we get to watch people logging at pos's. makes me tremble with excitement just to think about all those red blocks in my buddylist. now if you will excuse me, im off to put on my cowboy outfit and think about offline transport ships... thats the good stuff right there! |
Zarak1 Kenpach1
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.02.26 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: Zarak1 Kenpach1 on 26/02/2011 21:12:34 quick! damage control!
again, put out the source code or its a tArp
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.02.26 21:30:00 -
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its a tArp |
JimmyThePimp
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.02.26 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Zarak1 Kenpach1 Edited by: Zarak1 Kenpach1 on 26/02/2011 21:12:34 quick! damage control!
again, put out the source code or its a tArp
not only that, but its aimed specifically at you. i saw that prowler, im coming for you boy, and im bringing my spare stetson.
how else would we find you without this, we all know c6's are infinite. it took us 3 days to find a specific c5. finding you gents would be like finding a needle in a packet of needles in a box labled "needles". curses, you saw through our cunning ploy. |
Ace Secunda
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.02.26 22:47:00 -
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Quote: how else would we find you without this, we all know c6's are infinite. it took us 3 days to find a specific c5. finding you gents would be like finding a needle in a packet of needles in a box labled "needles". curses, you saw through our cunning ploy.
Confirming that I just cried a little with laughter at this post
'If I can't blow it up It don't exsist'
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Splodger
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.02.26 23:28:00 -
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You know, at the start even before your allowed to use this tool, there are TWO warning. I even made a spiffy logo...quite enjoyed that! (doubt you even bothered to even load the link)
I could have been clearer about it but maybe thats part of the learning curve of releasing something, oh well live and learn.
Enjoy..or not. after all its your choice, else wait for a non-trust version.
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Running River
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Posted - 2011.02.27 00:09:00 -
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Edited by: Running River on 27/02/2011 00:15:38
Originally by: JimmyThePimp
not only that, but its aimed specifically at you. i saw that prowler, im coming for you boy, and im bringing my spare stetson.
I am posting to warn all other pilots that I have been personally tracked down and sploded and I think it's because I read this post. These guys are sneak thieves with deft fingers and runny stools.
edit: I made ______ of this up.
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Zarak1 Kenpach1
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.02.27 02:08:00 -
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Edited by: Zarak1 Kenpach1 on 27/02/2011 02:13:53 we all know full well i have no reason to use your crippled map site.
I am not mentioning this because aharm needs these tools. I am mentioning it because you are/were quietly trying to screw the rest of new eden. whether you all realized you could do that or not you would have sooner or later and then you simply have to pick off a list of connected targets to do some serious damage so someone else.
its pretty simple. provide your source code so other corps can use it themselves and not have to worry about y'all keeping tabs on anyone using it.
no sweat off my nuts if you dont though. just warning the many many other wormhole folks out there that dont have access to the tools that make nav easy.
ps I'd feel just as confident fighting y'all in that with its sole 125 AC as i did when i made y'all kiss the curb last time i found ya.
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JimmyThePimp
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.02.27 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zarak1 Kenpach1 dont y'all wonder why a wh-corp like any other one out there would give everyone else a tool that they would have to otherwise have to make in house for their own use?
not all of us are out here to farm isk, we dont all head into j in order to blob up and wipe the map clear so we can rat all day. our chief forum warrior (and eft addict) dan posts in just about every wh based thread giving advice and trying to help people find their feet out here. we want to populate wh's so we have people to shoot at, the easier it is to live out here, the more people move in, the more targets we have.
oh and aye, you held the field the time i got into a scrim with you boys, dont recall your name though, what i do remember is all the smack and colour commentary. |
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Nkalv
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.02.27 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Zarak1 Kenpach1 Edited by: Zarak1 Kenpach1 on 27/02/2011 02:27:13
i find it so hard to believe that you guys wouldnt use that to your advantage.
and that says alot about you.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.02.27 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Raid''En on 27/02/2011 14:36:31
having an out of game version would resolve the potential security issue without having to share code. ---------------- ** Wormhole Trading ** |
khazak mokl
Amarr Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.02.27 16:51:00 -
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We did have a out of game version that Dan wrote but some people in Aharm never liked that one either as it contained 'secret stuff'they would have preffered to keep from the rest of the community. This tool was originally made for our own corps use in navigating WHs and various features were added over time like the number of jumps/kills in a system (like dotlan and other sites) Splodger has made it public as is his right since he put all the work into it. I can say that I have 100% confidence in his motives which were not to secretly track people and gank them in there noob ships but to help the EVE community as a whole. As a previous poster mentioned we actively try and help people to get into WH's and make isk/have a good time. The way we see it is the more people are in this part of the game, the more people we will eventually run into and hopefully have a good fight or two along the way.
Saying all this, the program is evolving still and having new stuff added constantly and maybe splodge will publish a out of game version if he feels like it but if he doesnt I wouldnt blame him as he is under no obligation to do anything he doesnt want to. This is after all a game and games shud be FUN.
Khaz
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Zarak1 Kenpach1
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.02.27 19:46:00 -
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Edited by: Zarak1 Kenpach1 on 27/02/2011 19:56:11 all this rage @ aharm aside.
i still warn those out there in the wh community of this tools security flaws. the people who would use this would be prime targets for a small organized group that are constantly on the move like the vipers.
All i am hearing are promises about how you wont use it that way. I know i'm not convinced and no one else should either honestly.
produce the code
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khazak mokl
Amarr Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.02.27 20:44:00 -
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So you are admitting there is 'secret information' that your trying to keep a lid on concerning wormholes and how to navigate though them?
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.02.27 21:02:00 -
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For an offline version of the piece of this app that gives you the reliable static sig name and size (i.e. the feature that isn't provided by dotlan/staticmapper/evemaps/in game routing feature):
Mini Daneel WH app as of 12th Sept 2010 |
JimmyThePimp
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.02.27 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zarak1 Kenpach1 i still warn those out there in the wh community of this tools security flaws. the people who would use this would be prime targets for a small organized group that are constantly on the move like the vipers.
aww someones a fan. im touched... really, go on, touch it again.
shall we all gather around the elephant in the room, point at it and wait until it takes off the nametag and admits hes not really alan from marketing?
say there were a large corp out there in wh's that had a lot of enemies to worry about, lets call this theoretical corp "apartment of harmonicas", now they have something of a home field advantage, given that they know a ton of info about wh's that other folks are still struggling to learn. id imagine the apartment of harmonicas would be pretty ****ed if another group came along and handed out free advice to everyone who cared to use it. since, with this tool we can cycle holes in about 5 minutes, finding the ones we want, the ones we dont, then moving on to another. if someone lived in a c6 for example, of which there are a limited number, id imagine that information could be quite a risk to their security.
but thank god its all theoretical, and its not really happening eh? what a relief. otherwise wed have apartment of harmonica guys in our thread *****ing and whinging and trying to get the tool pulled down to cover their own arses. |
Splodger
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.02.27 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: Splodger on 27/02/2011 21:28:23
Originally by: Zarak1 Kenpach1 Edited by: Zarak1 Kenpach1 on 27/02/2011 20:20:15
i still warn those out there in the wh community of this tools security flaws. the people who would use this would be prime targets for a small organized group that are constantly on the move like the vipers.
All i am hearing are promises about how you wont use it that way. I know i'm not convinced and no one else should either honestly.
produce the code
EDIT:@khaz, by "secret" do you mean our code that our devs let you look at because you were former highers up in aharm? i'd sing plagarism to the chorus of halleluia if i could produce tone and pitch in text
1) Please carry on with your policing duties!
2) Please do not mis-quote me I have not promised anything, because eve is literally about trust, I give you the chance to trust me you either do or you dont.
3) No, this serves no purpose. any malicous code that can track people can be added in one line of text.... one line that is in no way vital to the website. and again refer to number 2, you seem to have a problem with this concept(you do have your own free will you know! really you do).
4) If your refering to plagarism, you do not own locus numbers, class id's, the arrangement of wormholes and mass number etc etc etc... these belong to the whim of CCP who at any point can change the "arrangement" oh how wormholes are put together. Anyone with enough time and common sense can work this out or even use staticmapper which i have cross referenced aswell to check the database I have is correct as possible but even so still incomplete in itself.
You know I honestly get your fears and concerns about what it can be used for I really do, but logistically think about tracking people and then the effort needed to hunt them down. Its far easier to close and open a hole I have an alt orca specifically for this.
I could have easily have used subtefuge and hosted on a different server and posted with an alt but I havnt, because I honestly dont care if you trust me or not, by all means Police all you want.
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Ace Secunda
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.02.27 21:27:00 -
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I like Harmonicas!
'If I can't blow it up It don't exsist'
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.02.28 02:08:00 -
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As much fun as a big thread full of Viper/AHARM fighting is, I am gonna ask AHARM folks to take things down a notch.
BVN guys just might want to think some about the fact that all the info they added to this did not come from any of them, and really ought to be a little more thankful to the guy that did provide it (not me, they know who it was), and stop being jerks.
I know I personally wouldn't rely on a tool like this, both because the info *could* be used against me, but also because what happens if I like it and then find that the server goes down. If you guys don't want to release it, fine, you should feel free to keep it private. You do need to be honest about the *fact* that it does give your server some extremely useful information, you are able to connect IP addresses to character names and to locations. Just because you say you won't do anything bad with it now doesn't mean it is safe.
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khazak mokl
Amarr Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.02.28 08:28:00 -
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Kirian and his army of alts did indeed come up with the original Wh spread sheet and saw how wormholes are connected and the scanning sizes of about 65% or more of the sig sizes. Two step then came up with a basic out of game program similar to the one dan posted. Both these versions had holes of missing data in them that we at BVN have added to since the formation of our corp and splodger personally has written that tool for our own corps use. Anyone saying he stole his version from AHARM is being pretty silly in my oppinion. It would be like comparing the wheel to a motor car. Ok you cant have a car without the wheel but it gets a bit ridiculous from there. We open and close alot of WH's every day looking for targets to kill or routes out to empire and this tool lets us see the number of jumps or recent sleeper kills or general activity in a system so we can decide weather its worth keeping or cycling to another one.(and this information does not come from splodgers server it comes from CCP) The tool is not the be all and end all of WH's as it only predicts the static exit from a WH and not all the regionals or K162's which are random and therefor impossible to predict(unless you work for CCP which we dont)
The final thing I would like to say is that BVN hunt for targets ligitemately needing no use of exploits( in game or otherwise) and to surgest otherwise is silly. People complain day in day out that WH's suck because of the amount of scanning it takes to move about so splodger released this to help the community as a whole.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.02.28 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Daneel Trevize For an offline version of the piece of this app that gives you the reliable static sig name and size (i.e. the feature that isn't provided by dotlan/staticmapper/evemaps/in game routing feature):
Mini Daneel WH app as of 12th Sept 2010
ty, i only wanted the "signatures size" database and it's in :) ---------------- ** Wormhole Trading ** |
Halock
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.02.28 19:40:00 -
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Nice tool, however this is eve, should have pointed out straight away that it could be used to track you, not doing that looks like a trap, gj on the poster pointing that out for everyone else.
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khazak mokl
Amarr Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.02.28 20:21:00 -
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I think if I wanted to go to the trouble of tracking someone I would use A tracking agent ingame which will tell me the same stuff, the talk that we use it to track people using it is just untrue and I dont even know if its possible as the question had never come up b4 to me.
Glad its of use raid'en. Shud help you get about selling ur WH's
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Ace Secunda
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.02.28 21:16:00 -
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I was really just adding comical one liners and such with this thread, until that was a member of AHARM leadership came in and asked all his people to stop whining (showed maturity)......... and then started to whine in the next paragraph of the same post about all the things he asked his 'boyz' to stop whining about!
Come on, loads of people have already said use it at your own risk, time to move on :D
'If I can't blow it up It don't exsist'
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Demorest
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Posted - 2011.02.28 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Halock Nice tool, however this is eve, should have pointed out straight away that it could be used to track you, not doing that looks like a trap, gj on the poster pointing that out for everyone else.
Well said sir.
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Kitsune Jones
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Posted - 2011.02.28 23:12:00 -
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Was it somehow not obvious? You're submitting your location to his web server for the script to run. It's not using magical fairy power to deduce the stats of the wormhole you're in; the eve client is transmitting your location for the database lookup.
There's the risk of sinister motives, but using it to find every miscellaneous pilot floating around in wormholes to run over and gank seems a bit like more trouble than it's worth. I sincerely doubt they're going to try to hunt down some random idiot while he fights Sleepers in C2s. That said, were I in an alliance at war with his, I'd be refraining from using it. Paranoia in Eve is often the course of wisdom.
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.01 00:06:00 -
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Step 1: Release innocent app Step 2: ??? Step 3: Best single day ever with almost 10bil destroyed, >1bil loot, 4 tengus, 4 cap ships, and a 5th cap ran out its logoff timer at 20% hull. |
Floydd Heywood
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Posted - 2011.03.01 09:53:00 -
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Did you just admit it was a trap?
I wonder if that isn't a bannable offense, after all it's meta-gaming to facilitate a software tool to find and kill people in the game.
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Soldarius
Caldari Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.01 10:05:00 -
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I don't think there is anything bannable or even offensive here. Use of this tool is entirely voluntary. The risks have been disclosed by those who care to disclose them. Its not like they're launching a DDoS attack on your TS comms, thereby getting your FC to emoragequit the fleet. (Props to DRF for Sun Tzuing ftw)
I will say that it might be worth it to find a route into a specific system if there are lots of juicy targets. Does this thing transmit anything other than your current location to the player's server?
Originally by: CCP Shadow ...I cannot guarantee (my) sobriety or decency.
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.01 10:13:00 -
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Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 01/03/2011 10:14:18 People are just their usual ******ed w-space tengu/capship-owning selves. We think the 2 dreads and a carrier with hull damage were either by an old hole, or at a safe nearish their pos while they repped. Any which way, not safe not watching dscan, then they didn't log quick enough. Dunno what gave them hull damage to start with, either really bad sleeper fighting (they're sniper fit) or lucky escape from closing a high end hostile hole.
The 2 tengus and 2 cap ships in an anom were running it with 3 other holes in their home, including a static highsec. That's just asking to be jumped.
As for info collected, it's in theory able to pull anything from the IGB header extensions that are valid, I don't know which bits it's looking for atm, but I'm not aware you can trust only specific details, I think it's all or nothing. |
khazak mokl
Amarr Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.01 10:28:00 -
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This app uses no more info than using jove labs or dotlan when u trust those sites to use the extra features like route planning. It is not a tarp and how can you find someone in a WH when spawns to a system are random and only the K-space side of things predictable? We stay in WH's pretty much 24/7 unless its poping out to buy/sell stuff so I dont really know how you think we can exploit this. As to Dans post that sounded like he was gloating about killing stuff, half the stuff was in nullsec and the other stuff was just sat afk in space and got caught with there pants down. You can only predict what type of WH's the system has not exactly where its going to lead so this is pretty much just scare-mongering.
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JimmyThePimp
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.01 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Daneel Trevize Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 01/03/2011 10:14:18 We think the 2 dreads and a carrier with hull damage were either by an old hole, or at a safe nearish their pos while they repped.
wasnt an old hole, over 9au from the nearest celestial. sniper fit + half empty drone bays tells me they were sat either end of a site trying to snipe the coasting sleepers, dumped drones to warp out when the fit hit the shan. carrier had a remote hull rep so they were ss'd patching up the grazes, though id advise sitting on the edge of the pos shields next time.
also, reckon it would be kinda tricky for 3 cap ships to be jumping hole to hole for us to track them, especially the c3 static their home has... and the 2 carriers were in a c3, which are notorious for high cap traffic in and out.
its a mystery, it really is. maybe we just open and close holes all day until we find targets, with a nav tool, that tells us sigs and activity.... who knows. |
Floydd Heywood
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Posted - 2011.03.01 10:39:00 -
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Edited by: Floydd Heywood on 01/03/2011 10:41:57 Then why does he imply that "release of an innocent app" led your corp to your "best single day"? That doesn't make sense.
Personally I don't care, I don't need the app. Looks nice, but I already got all the info from various other places and own research. Maybe a little less comfortable, but at least I don't send any data to a notorious wh roaming corp. Actually the one corp that was able to kill (and pod) me in over a year while ratting
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khazak mokl
Amarr Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.01 10:42:00 -
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I didnt realise were we notorious lol. To small and down the pecking chain in WH life to be noticed.
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Floydd Heywood
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Posted - 2011.03.01 10:53:00 -
[46]
Originally by: khazak mokl I didnt realise were we notorious lol. To small and down the pecking chain in WH life to be noticed.
With you guys scanning and sniffing around day in day out, it's practically impossible not to meet one of you every other week or so. We usually just see you slip through our wormholes with our cloaked scouts and then leave again because our system is (or looks) devoid of targets
Unfortunately we know that when there is a fight you'll always bring all you have which is quite a lot, so there's no point in provoking a battle. Well, at least we killed one of your scouts once... khazak, actually
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khazak mokl
Amarr Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.01 11:11:00 -
[47]
You guys killed me? Guess everyone gets caught now and then if ur just scouting 99% of the time. But if we caught you to I guess we're even Most of our time is spent opening and closing C3's all day looking for pew and mainly it goes like this:- 1. I get a new hole and jump in. 2. Dscan to see if its occupied and check splodgers site to see if there has been recent jumps/sleeper kills.(same as we used to do from jove labs before splodge added the feature to his site) 3. If theres sleeper kills we stay cloaky and dscan them out for pew 4. If there been recent jumps but no signs of ships we scan out all the size 10s looking for K162s and if we can be arsed scan out the other sigs to for regionals. 5.Jump into connecting systems (WH's/Low?Null)till we find pew. 6. If no pew is found close the static and go to stage 1 lol.
Theres no mystrey in it or getting peoples super secret locations to gank them in there T1 scanning Frigs. Its just statistics. IF you open and close enough holes you will find targets. Some friday nights we have 5 or more people sat there on a WH opening and closing and not finding jack squat all night and eventually all log off bored.
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.01 11:11:00 -
[48]
That makes your main probably in GNADE Inc., J104351. Jadawin Khanidi?
How do Samhain./viperfleet compare w.r.t. ransom offers? |
Floydd Heywood
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Posted - 2011.03.01 11:34:00 -
[49]
Who knows. Probably
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Splodger
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.01 12:39:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Splodger on 01/03/2011 12:40:17
Originally by: Soldarius Does this thing transmit anything other than your current location to the player's server?
A list of things that can be kept in a database are Headers
This post is quite informative aswell Eve search discussion on IGB headers
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Vosier
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Posted - 2011.03.01 16:44:00 -
[51]
Great work Splodger, we have been using bits of this idea for some time but this definately streamlines it. And if you accidentally maliciously track us to our home system of J125122 and bring a fleet in we would love to play. Bring your toys and we'll bring ours and the field will be littered with the hulls of our ships. For that matter if anyone wants to play in our WH we will scan a chain, drop a contract, and have a party. We may not win, but it will be fun regardless which is what this whole deal is all about right? Thanks again Splodger, be seeing you guys around
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Kerowyn's
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Posted - 2011.03.01 22:53:00 -
[52]
Fun thread, got half of the corp saying no we are really only releasing this info to help people, the other half saying yes it really is a tarp.
Entertaining keep it up.
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Ill 0o
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Posted - 2011.03.02 08:06:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Kerowyn's Fun thread, got half of the corp saying no we are really only releasing this info to help people, the other half saying yes it really is a tarp.
Entertaining keep it up.
the best part is reading mesmerizingly stupied people like you who doesnt know what sarcasm is.
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Kerowyn's
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Posted - 2011.03.02 11:30:00 -
[54]
I don't normally feed trolls but...
Originally by: Ill 0o
Originally by: Kerowyn's Fun thread, got half of the corp saying no we are really only releasing this info to help people, the other half saying yes it really is a tarp.
Entertaining keep it up.
The best part is reading about mesmerizingly stupid people like you who, are unaware of what sarcasm is.
There fixed it for you.
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Ill 0o
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Posted - 2011.03.02 11:47:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Kerowyn's I don't normally feed trolls but...
good you will be dead in a couple of days then.
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Ace Secunda
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.02 22:23:00 -
[56]
Technically it is a trap, not in the covert, electronic, scripty, tracky, programmy way that everyone is saying though, It helps people enter and setup in wormholes easier then travel between them too which means more targets for corps like us who are damn near 100% PvP focused. So YES it is a trap and when we are not losing T2 frigates to T1 cruisers in low sec we will be around your hole having a party :D
'If I can't blow it up It don't exsist'
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Splodger
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.02 22:43:00 -
[57]
UPDATED : to v1.Something else
Trust no longer needed to use - Just enter in the J-number / Locus. Credits - Apologies to Kirian for the late addition. Sig Size Calculator - Caused by Pocurk wanting to educate the world. Sig Size Tutorial - (IGB) http://www.splodger.com/wormnav/sighelp.php.
At some point I will still move it out of the IGB - so be paitent.
Enjoy.
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Vjorn Angannon
Fleet Escort Services
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Posted - 2011.03.02 23:57:00 -
[58]
Thought I'd add in my 2 centavos worth.
I downloaded and started using the app a few hours after Splodger offered it to the public. Since then I have watched the debate, and learned a few things from it as well (I am not the most computer savvy). As far as the tarp is concerned, this app isn't going to to magically spawn wormholes allowing unlimited access to someone's system. Bottom line: establish corp security protocols in your w-system....and USE them lol.
@ Splodger: Thank you. I like this little app mainly because it brings together several tools I've been using into one tidy package. And, I really, really like the Sig Size addition. I searched the forums for info, found only enough to whet my appetite, but not enough to educate me; your addition opened my eyes.
Fly dangerously and happy hunting,
Vj
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Pocurk
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.03 05:30:00 -
[59]
Att. Vjorn: Im glad im not the only one in EVE with little to no knowledge about computers, and how this aplication works. Im just pleased that it does ! Im sorry i didnt understand the tracking "issue" when i wrote my first recomenation, but thats down to lack of knowledge, not sinister motives.
The sig size calculator ive been using up till now, is basically a spredsheat with a ton of numbers - most irelevant - that can put people like myselft of. That doesnt mean that the previouis method wasnt usefull, it was just more info than i cared for...if you know what i mean - no offence to the creator. So that its been added as an easy drop-down-menu guide should be very helpfull to people like you and i. We dont have to understand the numbers, for it to be usefull.
Att. Splodger : It may be down to language barrier , but i dont understand this one :
"The blues possible 2.5's could also be wormholes as they match up to the 2.5's on the table are are a clear "band" of a particular size"
Also, unless its allready extremely clear : Static exit(s) - Check WormNAv for sig size K162's - ALWAYS size 10 Regionals (wormholes that is not static from either side, best examplified as wormholes that "apear" static from hi-sec) - Can be any size as i understand it, but are relatively rare, especially between wormholes.
So basically, jump into new system, check d-scan for what ever you need to know, scan the static sizes, scan size 10's, decide to keep or close the hole. Hopefully this will reduce time spend scanning by alot.
Finally i can see Splodger introduced the option to type in your location instead of hitting "update location". If that solves the tracking "issue" then YAY, but i still claim the best part of this aplication is that there is no typing involved.
I can apreciate peoples concerns aout the tracking "issue", so choose what you please, but if your used to using multiple websites and havnt heard about sig sizes yet, i HIGHLY recomend, you use WormNav, or something simular to ease your WH life.
As my corpmates have stated earlier - the reasons we want to make WH life easier for people (by making this public, and answering Q's on forums) is that the easier it gets, the more targets we are likely to see. Also some of our guys are actually pretty nice guys that enjoys helping others, which may be a little hard to believe.
Regards, Pocurk
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Splodger
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.03 14:10:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Splodger on 03/03/2011 14:15:53
Originally by: Pocurk
Finally i can see Splodger introduced the option to type in your location instead of hitting "update location". If that solves the tracking "issue" then YAY, but i still claim the best part of this aplication is that there is no typing involved.
Just to clear this up, we had a chat on vent earlier... it would still be possible but there wouldnt be any name attached to the systems visited which could be done with trust version. In essence any website you visit could also track you via a "session" but this goes into the realm of youd better either wear a tin-hat or not use the internet. - thought Id just try and educate and be totally transparent.
Cheers Poc, will update the sig info it to make it bit more clear.
@ Vjorn Angannon
Your welcome, nice to hear some positive feedback.
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Nike Shoks
Caldari Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.03 16:14:00 -
[61]
Yeah, i hope people catch on to the sig size thing, nothing worse than having 20 size 2.5s and 2 size 10's, and waiting for someone looking for their static lowsec (size 10) to scan down all the other sigs first... :s
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Pocurk
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.07 16:16:00 -
[62]
Page 3 bump for a nifty little tool.
Credits to Kirian for his efforts.
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Lawan Jovana
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:45:00 -
[63]
Just spotted this thread, great read!
If I ask nicely can I have a piccy of JimmyThePimp in his cowboy outfit?
Pwetty Pweez!
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Silchius Ruin
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.10 13:06:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Lawan Jovana Just spotted this thread, great read!
If I ask nicely can I have a piccy of JimmyThePimp in his cowboy outfit?
Pwetty Pweez!
Be careful what you ask for, it is not a pretty sight!
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Ace Secunda
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.10 13:19:00 -
[65]
I have only seen him in the hat and boots, does he have the whole outfit?
'If I can't blow it up It don't exsist'
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.03.10 13:19:00 -
[66]
Nice. Thanks.
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JimmyThePimp
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.12 00:23:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Ace Secunda I have only seen him in the hat and boots, does he have the whole outfit?
that is the whole outfit! i dont want to hide the goods, they'r too damn good.
ps: i know us and aharm dont allways see eye to eye, but id like to tag that i for one am voting for twostep as CSM. he may be a ****, head of a band of ****s, but hes our **** at heart. ok, maybe not technically, but hes still a **** damn it, and i can think of no finer thing to say of him, or aharm in general. ****s to a man, every last one of them. god bless. |
Shaera Taam
Minmatar Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.15 07:44:00 -
[68]
i dont much care who makes the tools and whether or not they're tracking devices... i fly cheap-as-chips probes when im getting intentionally lost in WHs, and cheetahs when im playin for keeps. good luck finding me on the latter! ;D
on a serious note, splodger, thx for the tool! this is gonna make it sooo much easier to get intentionally lost and lose more probes! __________________________________________________ Gravity: It's not just a good idea, it's the law!" --Adam Savage, Mythbusters |
Splodger
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.16 23:59:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Splodger on 16/03/2011 23:59:47 @Shaera Taam - Your welcome, and luckily for you ive added a new feature :D __________________________ www.wormnav.com - Wormnav has moved to its own domain now. (old one will still work for awhile) Out of game browser - Now works
Locater (Beta) - Register for an advert to pop up when someone searches for the wormhole you are in for the posibility of them helping you in/out. Market (Beta) - a place to buy and sell wormholes.
Would like some feedback on the Locater and Market if anyone is so inclined.
Thanks for everyone's support.
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Vjorn Angannon
Fleet Escort Services
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Posted - 2011.03.18 00:55:00 -
[70]
Cool stuff Splodger
Having it's own domain and OOGB should hopefully quell some of the naysaying that occurred (tho I've been using the IGB and still haven't been trounced by BVN).
Not sure if I will make use of the locator (if an advert were to pop up I may very well be tempted to shoot first ), but the market could be of use. Question: once a sell order is submitted, can it later be retracted? For instance, if I suddenly need my scanning alt in my home system and need to pod her out of the "for sale" system asap.
Vj
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Ace Secunda
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.18 23:04:00 -
[71]
This guy never ceases to amaze us in VIP3R, keep up the great work splodge, this shizzle makes our everyday life 1 million times easier.
'If I can't blow it up It don't exsist'
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Splodger
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.19 10:56:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Vjorn Angannon Cool stuff Splodger
Having it's own domain and OOGB should hopefully quell some of the naysaying that occurred (tho I've been using the IGB and still haven't been trounced by BVN).
Not sure if I will make use of the locator (if an advert were to pop up I may very well be tempted to shoot first ), but the market could be of use. Question: once a sell order is submitted, can it later be retracted? For instance, if I suddenly need my scanning alt in my home system and need to pod her out of the "for sale" system asap.
Vj
LoL I think we would be tempted to shoot first aswell, but if the price was right I would offer a route
I think we might be in opposite regions or constellations we generally see the same things and people over a certain period of time.
Yea it can be retracted by sending me an eve mail, after reading your post yesterday thought I might implement a "pin code" where you can set it up at the beggining and then when you want to delete you can use it again to do that.
Iam going to try find a balance that the wormhole community can use it but make it as self automated as possible so thanks for sparking the idea of a pin.
@ Ace - thanks bro
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Vjorn Angannon
Fleet Escort Services
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Posted - 2011.04.07 15:45:00 -
[73]
Bumpety bump for all the nullsec folk looking for isk post 1.4
Ps I have a C2 coming up for sale in a couple days
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Silchius Ruin
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.04.28 06:46:00 -
[74]
Bump! |
Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.04.28 12:25:00 -
[75]
just have a new look at the website and seems pretty nice ;) i would suggest you to make the sig size help calculator a bit more visible i use your database on my own tool since a while, and it's a big help to avoid losing time ^^
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2011.04.28 19:39:00 -
[76]
I used the sig size calculator on wormnav.com last night but am not sure it worked as expected. With my ship, skills and gear, a size 10 sig was supposed to give a 3.58% result. There was a band of about 8 results from 3.58 - 3.61%, I scanned them all down, and not one of them was a wormhole.
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.04.28 19:55:00 -
[77]
Distance from your probe decreases the sig strength, so sigs right by it/in the centre will be stronger than those out at the 32/64AU fringe.
Not all size 10s will be K162s, but all K162s will be size 10. You'll probably find a lot of low-end gravs and ladars if they're not wormholes. |
Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.04.28 20:40:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Daneel Trevize Distance from your probe decreases the sig strength, so sigs right by it/in the centre will be stronger than those out at the 32/64AU fringe.
Not all size 10s will be K162s, but all K162s will be size 10. You'll probably find a lot of low-end gravs and ladars if they're not wormholes.
the % can be half what the maths give if it's really far from probe. size 10 is the hardest cause most of common sigs are size 10. it's pretty easy to reach the 25% mark, but you'll find lots of ****. in fact the easiest wh to find are those of size 4 ; between easy wh/ladar and hard radar/magne
btw guys, do you have a database of the others sigs ? would be pretty intereted by a list of the scan size of all ladar/grav/radar/magneto.
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bartos100
Killer Koalas R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.04.29 06:34:00 -
[79]
i think that it works better if you use a deep scanner probe first to check for the sig strength as those have so big a range that it doesn't change the result much
i heard somewhere that the range is around 250UA but not sure don't have the skills to use them yet :(
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Splodger
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.04.29 06:35:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Splodger on 29/04/2011 06:36:39 ive not logged ladar and radars because they fit into the scanning sig size logically ......like common ladar will be closer to a size ten where as a vast ladar, a far better quality will be down the scale near 2.5 Same for radars as they are generally good quality they are more often than not below the size 5 sig bracket. Ill do a better write up on sigs aswell soon. In essence the better the isk payout the smaller the sig size is more likely.
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Ayce Rymmer
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Posted - 2011.04.29 21:50:00 -
[81]
Brilliant tool Splodger, thanks for making it.
I can think of another couple of possible little improvements, just small user-interface elements. I'm one of the (tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist type) people who prefer not to give out IGB trust and want to use the Locus Entry field. I notice that when you type in the number it always needs the J in front, and if you press enter it just reloads the page instead of selecting one of the Wormholes that pops up in the box. Is it possible to make it so that: A) it will search up wormholes without having to type J in front of the Locus? And B) if when you press Enter in that field, make it so that it jumps to perhaps the first possible wormhole match listed in the popup? These two would mean you'd only need to use the num-pad to enter locus sigs, which means less movement of hands over the keyboard.
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Splodger
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.04.30 06:07:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Splodger on 30/04/2011 06:14:45
Originally by: Ayce Rymmer Brilliant tool Splodger, thanks for making it.
I can think of another couple of possible little improvements, just small user-interface elements. I'm one of the (tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist type) people who prefer not to give out IGB trust and want to use the Locus Entry field. I notice that when you type in the number it always needs the J in front, and if you press enter it just reloads the page instead of selecting one of the Wormholes that pops up in the box. Is it possible to make it so that: A) it will search up wormholes without having to type J in front of the Locus? And B) if when you press Enter in that field, make it so that it jumps to perhaps the first possible wormhole match listed in the popup? These two would mean you'd only need to use the num-pad to enter locus sigs, which means less movement of hands over the keyboard.
Cheers, you can ignore putting in the "J" now if you so wish (good suggestion).
i will definatly work on the option "b" aswell in near future :D
Originally by: Guillame Herschel I used the sig size calculator on wormnav.com last night but am not sure it worked as expected. With my ship, skills and gear, a size 10 sig was supposed to give a 3.58% result. There was a band of about 8 results from 3.58 - 3.61%, I scanned them all down, and not one of them was a wormhole.
it sounds like it still classed your Size 10's right. It may have just meant that you only have low Grav or ladar's in that system aswell. but the "banding does sound correct" and as stated by other below there is some deviance but sounds like you are on the right track.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.04.30 10:24:00 -
[83]
also spoldger i saw you forgot something that some people will like ; you only offer values for a covert ops.
i'll suggest you to add a choice with probing frigate, and ships without probing bonus. only a few lines of codes, and can be pretty useful for people stucked with a terrible ships, and so in need of help.
also add eveeye IPS on the links, it's a pretty good site for WH data ;)
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Bo Pipe
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Posted - 2011.04.30 17:14:00 -
[84]
Thanks very much, Splodger - I've really enjoyed using this tool.
I do miss one thing from Staticmapper, though - when you mouse over the static type (eg D845, U210, etc), it will tell you the target system type, lifespan, life mass, and jump mass. It is nice to get that info so easily without having to go to another website to look it up.
Any way to add some kind of functionality like this?
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Splodger
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.05.02 09:50:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Splodger on 02/05/2011 09:53:46
Originally by: Bo Pipe Thanks very much, Splodger - I've really enjoyed using this tool.
I do miss one thing from Staticmapper, though - when you mouse over the static type (eg D845, U210, etc), it will tell you the target system type, lifespan, life mass, and jump mass. It is nice to get that info so easily without having to go to another website to look it up.
Any way to add some kind of functionality like this?
All added for you! (bit bland bit need to do a overhaul on colour etc).
Originally by: Raid'En also spoldger i saw you forgot something that some people will like ; you only offer values for a covert ops.
i'll suggest you to add a choice with probing frigate, and ships without probing bonus. only a few lines of codes, and can be pretty useful for people stucked with a terrible ships, and so in need of help.
also add eveeye IPS on the links, it's a pretty good site for WH data ;)
Added eveeye aswell, yea fixed the calculator couple days ago only to reflex wh statics and noticed that you needed to set it to 0 for cov-ops.
Got a better plan/fix maybe for it but cheers for the heads up.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.02 16:29:00 -
[86]
Confirming this is one of the best eve tools out there. TY. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Bo Pipe
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Posted - 2011.05.02 23:41:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Splodger All added for you! (bit bland bit need to do a overhaul on colour etc).
Wow - works perfect! Very awesome and thanks so much!
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MdZt
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Posted - 2011.05.22 23:58:00 -
[88]
Brilliant site. Very useful. Two requests. 1) confirming the locus name with Enter key. i dont't want to click on smart pop-up buttons. i just want to enter the locus and hit enter-key on my keyboard. 2) add the signature size to static info table: name, target, lifetime, jump_mass, total_mass, signature_size
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khazak mokl
Amarr Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.07.10 07:19:00 -
[89]
Bump as some people still scan out Every signiture in the Wormhole to try and find the static out. Why spend all day scanning and then wanting to kill urself when you can do it in 10th of the time with this tool.
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Splodger
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.09.09 10:37:00 -
[90]
Update : 09/09/2011
Looking for wormhole guides, recources, podcasts and blogs. So if you could mail me links in game or via wormnav.com that would be great.Iam going to try link everything on a reference page so any support in gathering info would be appreciated.
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