I've expected a strategic cruiser nerf for a while and have refused to train for them for that reason. I didn't expect it to take 3+ years though...

I trained them for the purpose of stealing them from wormhole POSes.

-Liang

we've heard horror stories about the Succubus and Phantasm being left to rot for all eternity in station hangars. That is not right.

Since Command Ships and Drake haven't been changed in the slightest for all these years, I guess we should treat your confession as a sign of sudden increase in PvP compherension within CCP?

Three comments:
- That will pale in comparison to Summer of Rage 1 and Summer of Rage 2.
- Players are always short sighted in their balancing requests and they never have the long term good of the game in mind.
- Think of it like pruning a tree - yes it may hurt and suck for a while but you and the game will be better off in the end.

-Liang

I don't really agree, T3's is balanced very well around risk / reward. They're not overly powerful except when combined with offgrid boosting. The only thing that isn't balanced properly is training time, which is made up by SP loss upon death.

if you're looking for the best way to kick the most players in the nuts at one time, this would be it. Fair warning: people who get kicked in the nuts usually fight back. Expect untold levels of drama.

I have only this to respond to that: LOL.

This come once in a while. As some people mentioned before:

• Tier 2 Battlecruisers already are extremely versatile and popular. Introducing yet improved hulls based on them without looking at tech1 battlecruisers first is in direct contradiction with the tiericide initiative.


• We already have troubles having diverse, interesting hulls roles on this particular level. HACs, tech3 cruisers, battlecruisers and command ships currently are very close of each other on that field. Introducing a Navy Battlecruiser would aggravate the issue even further.

What needs to be done before having Navy Battlecruisers, in no particular order:


• Have a look at tech1 cruisers and bring tiericide to their sorry little sad faces.
• Fix tech1 battlecruisers as a whole. Most tier1 BCs are not good enough, some tier2 are just too good. You know we know you know which ones we are talking about
• Make sure Command Ships have a viable role next to Battlecruisers (Nighthawk versus drake for example). Look at gang links. Eos. Eos. Eoseoseoseoseos.
• HACs, they need love too.
• Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line. It doesn't necessarily means nerfing them to oblivion and beyond, but making sure that each subsystem configuration has a use and they don't overlap on other ships by making them different in role and purpose.

When that's done, and if the need for it is true, righteous in the divine gospel of the ship balancing light, then let's have Navy Battlecruisers, maybe. Pirate and new tech2 battlecruisers though are less of a problem if the roles aren't overlapping. Hmmmm spiky bikini Sansha battlecruiser with lazors pewpewnomnomnomnom. But errrr drifting out of topic here, we'd need to make sure current Sansha ships are tiericidead before that happens - we've heard horror stories about the Succubus and Phantasm being left to rot for all eternity in station hangars. That is not right.

I don't really agree, T3's is balanced very well around risk / reward. They're not overly powerful except when combined with offgrid boosting. The only thing that isn't balanced properly is training time, which is made up by SP loss upon death.

Compare a Proteus to a Deimos. Just do it.

And if the current mindset is to buff Tier 1 BCs to tier 2 levels, and not somewhat the other way around as I suggest, how will cruisers gain in utility?

Hi Kell.

I had a quick look, but I can't seem to find your posts complaining about the days when armour RR BS, AHACs and sniper HACs were the only viable doctrines, and people trying to bring shield ships to fleets were routinely kicked. Can you assist me with some keywords for my google search?

If the new frigates are any example of how the balancing is going to happen, BCs may be what becomes obsolete.

Yes, really.

-Liang

I don't really agree, T3's is balanced very well around risk / reward. They're not overly powerful except when combined with offgrid boosting. The only thing that isn't balanced properly is training time, which is made up by SP loss upon death.

A T2 fit T3 is much better than a T2 fit T2, and a faction/deadspace fit T3 is arbitrarily better than a faction/deadspace fit T2. Seriously, T3s utterly obsolete HACs and pirate cruisers.

-Liang