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cosmoray Cosmoray Holdings Corp	Posted - 2011.03.01 20:23:00 - [1] Did I pass the audit? Did anyone even audit me? Did anyone even care? Any interesting titbits come from the audit?
Joce Prindu	Posted - 2011.03.01 20:26:00 - [2] Originally by: cosmoray Did I pass the audit? Did anyone even audit me? Did anyone even care? Any interesting titbits come from the audit? No
Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.03.01 20:31:00 - [3] Last time I checked your thread was closed and I believe up to that point no API information had been given. I just checked it again and apparently that info was removed by a mod. Personally I don't have the tools or time to have a serious look at such data BUT as a random poor joe I'd definitely would have been interested in some info on the 'super rich' in eve. Maybe someone who had a chance to look at it can give some impressions. :) -- Originally by: Professor Slocombe I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
callme tripod	Posted - 2011.03.01 20:43:00 - [4] Edited by: callme tripod on 01/03/2011 20:46:52 I looked around for a few minutes and I noticed some strange stuff. I'm no API pro so the problem could have been on me end but if I didn't mess it up than some things don't look right. Any one who has done this kinda stuff before able to give it a once over? xx: Oh and I had to go check on the eve search site to get the api information. It was mentioned on page 2 a couple of times. http://eve-search.com/thread/1473067/page/2
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.03.01 20:47:00 - [5] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 01/03/2011 20:48:54 Originally by: cosmoray Any interesting titbits come from the audit? - That I was right about not posting a full API key - That I was right about EULA or at least the forum TOS. - That what was said in post 91: Quote: The fact of the matter is that CCP also gave players a tool to intentionally expose this information at their discretion to the public at large, with the intentional side effect being the exposure of personal in-game correspondence. VV, if you are unhappy with CCP's decision to include EvE-mails in the full-api release, I suggest you take it up with them, as opposed to taking it up with other players who are using the tools as provided revealed to end up how I hoped. - That not even posting a piece of one of the in game mail would have been condoned (it has been removed from the post). - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.03.01 20:54:00 - [6] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 01/03/2011 20:48:54 Originally by: cosmoray Any interesting titbits come from the audit? - That I was right about not posting a full API key - That I was right about EULA or at least the forum TOS. - That what was said in post 91: Quote: The fact of the matter is that CCP also gave players a tool to intentionally expose this information at their discretion to the public at large, with the intentional side effect being the exposure of personal in-game correspondence. VV, if you are unhappy with CCP's decision to include EvE-mails in the full-api release, I suggest you take it up with them, as opposed to taking it up with other players who are using the tools as provided revealed to end up how I hoped. - That not even posting a piece of one of the in game mail would have been condoned (it has been removed from the post). Jesus christ VV, you want a cookie or something? Someone tell him he was somewhat right already so he'll stop jumping up and down. I'm surprised you didn't post that reply in all caps. Also, I'd like Zymurgist to show the relevant section of the EULA or forum TOS that he/she applied when making the decision to remove the information. As of right now, it could be Zymurgist opinion that it was a bad idea and not specifically backed up by any written rules/terms. Personally, I don't care one way or another but I'm glad you at least feel better about sort of winning your argument with those that didn't agree with you.
Lauren Hellfury Full Pocket Aggro	Posted - 2011.03.01 20:55:00 - [7] VV, that is quite a leap. Although I expect that this thread will get locked for "discussing moderation". I'll simply state that the only "proof" is that CCP appear to consider the API userid and key to be "personal information". But then they don't allow killmail posting or chatlog posting for basically the same reason.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2011.03.01 20:57:00 - [8] Originally by: cosmoray Did I pass the audit? Did anyone even audit me? Did anyone even care? Any interesting titbits come from the audit? Allow me to be the first to say: WTF were you thinking of?
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.03.01 20:58:00 - [9] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 01/03/2011 20:59:02 Quote: Jesus christ VV, you want a cookie or something? Someone tell him he was somewhat right already so he'll stop jumping up and down. I'm surprised you didn't post that reply in all caps It's just the fitting post after I got toroughly burned on a stake for ~~two~~ four pages. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Grimhowl Heroes of NewEden	Posted - 2011.03.01 21:03:00 - [10] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 01/03/2011 20:59:02 Quote: Jesus christ VV, you want a cookie or something? Someone tell him he was somewhat right already so he'll stop jumping up and down. I'm surprised you didn't post that reply in all caps It's just the fitting post after I got toroughly burned on a stake for ~~two~~ four pages. Yeah. That was painful to watch, which is why I tried to back you up. People just sort of ignored me though. >.> It's the thought that counts, right? :) - I don't want the world, I just want your half.

cosmoray Cosmoray Holdings Corp	Posted - 2011.03.01 21:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Liberty Eternal Originally by: cosmoray Did I pass the audit? Did anyone even audit me? Did anyone even care? Any interesting titbits come from the audit? Allow me to be the first to say: WTF were you thinking of? What do you mean? Elaborate please. Note: This thread has no place to discuss CCP. VV take your soap box elsewhere.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2011.03.01 21:14:00 - [12] Originally by: cosmoray Originally by: Liberty Eternal Originally by: cosmoray Did I pass the audit? Did anyone even audit me? Did anyone even care? Any interesting titbits come from the audit? Allow me to be the first to say: WTF were you thinking of? What do you mean? Elaborate please. Note: This thread has no place to discuss CCP. VV take your soap box elsewhere. I mean why release your full api to the entire public when a normal audit would have sufficed? Also, I approached Breaker77 for an audit but he wasn't back online until the thread had been pulled. I would have approached VV but there seemed to be a conflict of interest. However, full credit to you for your bold decision, it was amusing if nothing else
Durin Sarga	Posted - 2011.03.01 22:37:00 - [13] Cosmoray, Just a small suggestion that might avoid the issue next time. Pass your full api through a website which would display all relevant information to users of the website. Set all content (except emails) viewable to public. Have 3rd party confirmation that information displayed by your API is authentic to information displayed by the website. Would this not avoid the issue then of evemail privacy, api privacy, etc.? Would this not allow all people to view your information relevant to an audit? Again, just a thought. I could very well be totally off my rocker, but it just seemed like an alternative idea.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.03.01 22:57:00 - [14] Originally by: Liberty Eternal I mean why release your full api to the entire public when a normal audit would have sufficed? It's called attention whoring. It probably means there's something surprising hidden in the data. Of course, a useful API wasn't posted, so it's not like anyone got to look. ______________________________
Elise DarkStar	Posted - 2011.03.01 23:20:00 - [15] Prognosis: Ghey.
cosmoray Cosmoray Holdings Corp	Posted - 2011.03.02 01:17:00 - [16] For those of you that don't know and want what is always posted in the original post: www.eve-search.com is your friend. Or, http://www.eve-search.com/search/author/cosmoray will show you all the posts I have made. Or you could look at my ggogle docs web page: Cosmoray Google Document
Marcus Baltar Savaran Zhayedan Spah	Posted - 2011.03.02 02:36:00 - [17] I have received an EveMail from Cosmoray containing his API details. This was also sent to a number of more respected and well known people (they can announce themselves if they want). While I would like to audit this I realise that no-one is likely to believe my findings. This conclusion, as well as my lack of RL time and already existing commitments in EVE means that I cannot commit to an official audit (it would also not be as pretty as one of VV's ). I hope that someone else can complete one as it would be nice to compare it to RAW's (epeen all round ). Just to let people know - as little as two days ago I was attempting to buy Cosmoray's bonds so you are safe to think I do not believe there is a problem. --
Misty McGinnity	Posted - 2011.03.02 02:53:00 - [18] Edited by: Misty McGinnity on 02/03/2011 02:53:55 Originally by: cosmoray Did anyone even care? Why would they? some nerd posts an api key on a forum big whoop. Disregard Epeen/Ego Acquire a ****ing clue. +1 for the delicious butthurt ITT.
Lederstrumpf	Posted - 2011.03.02 03:15:00 - [19] Edited by: Lederstrumpf on 02/03/2011 03:21:40 Originally by: cosmoray Any interesting titbits come from the audit? 1.) My nick appearing in a screenshot mentioned in a mail in your Inbox. 2.) CCP API is excellent, especially the cache timeouts when multiple folks do request at the same time 3.) You did login 3286 times. You've been logged into EVE/Forum for more than 97 days real time, 100 days "birthday" ahead! Your account already is paid for until July 2012? 4.) Gnomer and Irgazin do use more expensive implants than cosmoray. You're an alt, right? :) Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Originally by: cosmoray Any interesting titbits come from the audit? - That I was right about not posting a full API key 5.) Some folks are full of popcorn.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2011.03.02 03:30:00 - [20] Originally by: Misty McGinnity Why would they? some nerd posts an api key on a forum big whoop. Originally by: Bill Gates Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up working for one.

Varo Jan Caravanserai Consulting	Posted - 2011.03.02 04:05:00 - [21] Originally by: cosmoray Did I pass the audit? Did anyone even audit me? Did anyone even care? Any interesting titbits come from the audit? I must confess that this two thread saga has left me somewhat bemused. Thanks for sending me your API details by mail. However, I'm going to decline for a few reasons. First off, I simply don't do audits based on one API key. It's all or nothing, and there has to be a rationale for an audit request. Second, as they say, you get nowt for nowt and the square root of f. all for tuppence. There are no free lunches, especially in EVE.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.03.02 04:47:00 - [22] Originally by: cosmoray Did I pass the audit? Did anyone even audit me? Did anyone even care? Any interesting titbits come from the audit? We learned that the forum mods don't actually know the rules, and just went with whatever tosh VV posted when he reported your thread. But cosmo, what is your asset value meant to add up to? Not in the Exchange, don't invest!
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.03.02 05:51:00 - [23] Interesting... daterefIDrefTypeIDownerName1ownerID1ownerName2ownerID2argName1argID1amount 2011-02-06 15:14:00388389942538Cosmoray Holdings Corp1610280982EVE Central Bank2EVE System1-1700000000 A few more entries like this in your personal wallet. Now why would the ECB be interested in your activities? A few more interesting titbits, like only 24m ISK in wallets; but I'll leave that for the rest to find out (hint, it's in the assets, or lack thereof). See you later for the drama-bomb. Not in the Exchange, don't invest!
Cista2 Hydra Investment Fund	Posted - 2011.03.02 07:20:00 - [24] I hear rumours that Cosmoray has been giving away billions of isk to random strangers. He is currently blocked in "Signatures" channel for trying to pull the "I am leaving EVE" scam on noobs yesterday. Coming from someone who claims to be a rock of financial solidity unmatched on MD, this is quite bizarre. I suppose his bonds have been closed already? ----------------------- "Signatures" trade chatroom / Universal Railways
Zeta Zhul Caldari Preemptive Paranoia	Posted - 2011.03.02 07:23:00 - [25] I believe the operative word might be "fey".
Tutskii	Posted - 2011.03.02 07:52:00 - [26] Originally by: Cista2 I hear rumours that Cosmoray has been giving away billions of isk to random strangers. He is currently blocked in "Signatures" channel for trying to pull the "I am leaving EVE" scam on noobs yesterday. Coming from someone who claims to be a rock of financial solidity unmatched on MD, this is quite bizarre. I suppose his bonds have been closed already? I was present and don't believe cosmo was pulling any kind of scam, I can confirm that he gave things away, however. Giving away things is not a scam, and cosmo was true to anything he said he would do. Also, he gave back 500 million that were randomly sent to him. Although I am the first to applaud the ostracizing of scammers, that is not the case in this event.
Cyaxares II	Posted - 2011.03.02 08:21:00 - [27] Originally by: Liberty Eternal I mean why release your full api to the entire public when a normal audit would have sufficed? Because it's much more fun when you find out on your own
Cista2 Hydra Investment Fund	Posted - 2011.03.02 09:12:00 - [28] Edited by: Cista2 on 02/03/2011 09:15:02 Originally by: Tutskii Giving away things is not a scam Definitely not, and I couldn't care less what Cosmo does with his isk. I am just asking (because I haven't been following MD much): has he paid out all his liabilities at this point? If I had invested billions in a bond and saw that person sit in Jita giving away isk, Curzon Dax-style, I wold find it.... interesting. It's just a heads up to the public from me about apparent bizarre behaviour. Maybe there's nothing to it, and Cosmoray can just step forward and explain what he has going on. ----------------------- "Signatures" trade chatroom / Universal Railways
RAW23	Posted - 2011.03.02 09:20:00 - [29] Not quite sure why Cosmo sent his details to me. I do not do audits because I am a technological incompetent and have no idea how to go about the procedure. I'm happy to pay someone else to do one though as the teasers so far have me interested.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.03.02 10:51:00 - [30] Fine, I'll see what I can do after work today. It might take a few days to get the API data though depending how many people are trying to pull it. TBH, I could really care less, but it seems that everyone else wants it done and no one is willing to do it.

Cyaxares II	Posted - 2011.03.02 10:52:00 - [31] Originally by: Breaker77 It might take a few days to get the API data though depending how many people are trying to pull it. no.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.03.02 10:55:00 - [32] Originally by: Cyaxares II Originally by: Breaker77 It might take a few days to get the API data though depending how many people are trying to pull it. no. No as in bad API data or No as is you fail to realized the cooldown timers can go from minutes to 24 hours?
Cyaxares II	Posted - 2011.03.02 11:21:00 - [33] Edited by: Cyaxares II on 02/03/2011 11:22:09 Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Cyaxares II Originally by: Breaker77 It might take a few days to get the API data though depending how many people are trying to pull it. no. No as in bad API data or No as is you fail to realized the cooldown timers can go from minutes to 24 hours? no as in "The EVE API is a moving target and if you want to be an auditor you better keep track of any changes". See here (or here): Quote: Most pages will now return the cached data rather than an error if you query it too soon. This applies to the assets listing (among other things).
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.03.02 11:23:00 - [34] Quote: We learned that the forum mods don't actually know the rules, and just went with whatever tosh VV posted when he reported your thread The tosh I based my posts on, was a CCP mod reply to an ingame petition. I am sorry if it does not fly with you, exactly like EvE Central Bank does. But hey, at EBANK they call themselves "a private institution", so they don't do Cosmoray transparency anyway and don't have those privacy issues anyway, right? Quote: TBH, I could really care less, but it seems that everyone else wants it done and no one is willing to do it. I know you don't spare me any criticism but I am a good guy after all. So I will give you this advice: mail me first. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Misty McGinnity	Posted - 2011.03.02 11:29:00 - [35] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha The tosh I based my posts on, was a CCP mod reply to an ingame petition. Screenshot of petition or GTFO.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.03.02 11:33:00 - [36] Originally by: Misty McGinnity Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha The tosh I based my posts on, was a CCP mod reply to an ingame petition. Screenshot of petition or GTFO. It's forbidden to post petitions. EvE Mail me from your main and I'll setup things in an EULA compliant way so you can see it. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Femaref Armageddon Day WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2011.03.02 11:59:00 - [37] API timers count per IP and page. So there is no problem for many people to pull the same pages, as long as they access it from different ips...
Cyaxares II	Posted - 2011.03.02 12:11:00 - [38] Edited by: Cyaxares II on 02/03/2011 12:16:10 Originally by: Femaref API timers count per IP and page. So there is no problem for many people to pull the same pages, as long as they access it from different ips... I pulled cosmoray's asset and wallet data into 2-3 different applications from the same IP without using a proxy. It just returns the cached data - same way the short cache style works.
Femaref Armageddon Day WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2011.03.02 12:58:00 - [39] Originally by: Cyaxares II Edited by: Cyaxares II on 02/03/2011 12:16:10 Originally by: Femaref API timers count per IP and page. So there is no problem for many people to pull the same pages, as long as they access it from different ips... I pulled cosmoray's asset and wallet data into 2-3 different applications from the same IP without using a proxy. It just returns the cached data - same way the short cache style works. Of course it does, that's how the asset page works. If somebody else were to pull it, he would get a new version.
cosmoray Cosmoray Holdings Corp	Posted - 2011.03.02 13:36:00 - [40] Why am I blocked from Signatures? I did not or even try to scam anybody last night. Read the forum log. I did give away some spare assets that I didn't need to the first person who responded to who "who wants some free stuff". Total was about 1B in a bunch of station containers. I then did plan on having 'potentially' giving away some ISK, but the person didn't play so he lost out. 1 other person sent me 500M ISK, and it was immediately sent back. The difference between what I did and the Jita "scam" was that I would have paid out.

Cista2 Hydra Investment Fund	Posted - 2011.03.02 14:19:00 - [41] Edited by: Cista2 on 02/03/2011 14:20:04 Originally by: cosmoray Why am I blocked from Signatures? I wasn't there, so I did not block you. But targetting a specific unknown person for some "dare" game involving billions of isk, what is your motivation for this sort of game? I have to say, that is bizarre behaviour for a business person. Do you see yourself as the new Curzon Dax?
Julian Koll The Kollektive	Posted - 2011.03.02 14:45:00 - [42] Originally by: cosmoray Why am I blocked from Signatures? Cause Signatures is for teh kool kids only
cosmoray Cosmoray Holdings Corp	Posted - 2011.03.02 14:53:00 - [43] The person I was offering the deal was begging for stuff after I gave some free stuff out. So I decided to have fun. Most of the people agreed it was a fun time Shame that having fun is to be frowned upon in a computer fantasy game.
Cista2 Hydra Investment Fund	Posted - 2011.03.02 14:56:00 - [44] You are unblocked btw. Signatures doesn't normally block players. We have 4-5 people blocked - apart from RawBlood I have no idea who the others are. ----------------------- "Signatures" trade chatroom / Universal Railways
Moto Akimoto	Posted - 2011.03.02 18:36:00 - [45] Last night on the Signatures Channel was one of the most fun I've had on Eve in a long time, not because I got some free stuff from Cosmoray (Thanks again) but because the chat between Cosmoray and Commander Godsmack was hilarious. Most of us are so paranoid on Eve that when an honest deal presents itself we pass up on the opportunity. I myself was skeptical of the "free stuff" at first, joking around that it was "Free rookiee ships in bulk" until I actually got the stuff from Cosmoray. That's when I realized it was a senior player being nice to newer players. Of course Godsmack didn't want to be victim of a scam and he wrote that the rest of us were in on the "scam". At one point Godsmack wrote to Cosmoray "I'm not going to send you my ISK solely based on a template scam from Jita". At which point I almost fell out of my chair with laughter. What would you have done if you were Godsmack and didn't know any of the players on the Signatures channel? I personally would off sent the ISK and taken the risk, but then again I began getting podded the first week I started playing Eve because I would fly around null sec in a shuttle just to see what it looked like.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.03.02 18:44:00 - [46] Quote: I began getting podded the first week I started playing Eve because I would fly around null sec in a shuttle just to see what it looked like I hope you'll keep your freshness and your enterprising mood for a long time. Many lost them. But it's you who are right, not them. Including going to 0.0 in your first days. Cheap and effective learning. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.03.02 22:37:00 - [47] Originally by: Cyaxares II Quote: Most pages will now return the cached data rather than an error if you query it too soon. This applies to the assets listing (among other things). edit: you might also have missed that the limits for querying old journal/transaction data have been greatly expanded recently. Interesting on the cache timers. I was aware of the limits being changed, but unless I'm missing something, I've never been able to get EWA to pull more than 1000 entries and thats with the most recent version as of January 2011. The only API changes I am excited and/or worried about is the customizable API stuff CCP is working on. Quote: But I already told Breaker77 to read up on the API a long time ago (when he was doing audits and I displayed some serious doubts rgd his competency) I'm still waiting for your code to query the wallet API for journal walking. I told you I have no clue how to do the manual calls for that. So basically I'm saying proof or STFU. As far as me quering the API, if a readily available program won't pull the data for me, I'm not able to get it.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.03.03 01:05:00 - [48] So did anyone find out what the news is yet? ______________________________
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.03.03 01:15:00 - [49] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste So did anyone find out what the news is yet? That Cosmo's account was hacked while he was gone and he's really a transsexual? Thats the best news I can make up right now as tired as I am.
Hel O'Ween Men On A Mission	Posted - 2011.03.03 10:29:00 - [50] Originally by: Breaker77 [...] but unless I'm missing something, I've never been able to get EWA to pull more than 1000 entries and thats with the most recent version as of January 2011. You definately missing at least one, if not two updates to EWA. The current version was released on Feb 17th. One of those versions changed the way how EWA walks the journal API due to the underlaying change of the API itself. As for journal walking, start your first query with http://api.eveonline.com .... ?fromID=0&rowCount=256 Keep track of the lowest refID returned in that query and use it as the value to the fromID parameter http://api.eveonline.com .... ?fromID=<lowest refID returned in previous query>&rowCount=256 Do that until you get no more pages from the API or less than 256 entries in a page. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager

Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.03.03 12:12:00 - [51] Edited by: Myra2007 on 03/03/2011 12:13:00 Just for the fun of it I tried to pull some data but failed miserably. According to a program named eve-wallet aware you have ~24m in cash and your corp has 0 assets/isk and no transaction data. It also appears that you like Condors. I take it the program isn't up to date when it comes to the API. -- Originally by: Professor Slocombe I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
RAW23	Posted - 2011.03.03 12:48:00 - [52] Originally by: Myra2007 Edited by: Myra2007 on 03/03/2011 12:13:00 Just for the fun of it I tried to pull some data but failed miserably. According to a program named eve-wallet aware you have ~24m in cash and your corp has 0 assets/isk and no transaction data. It also appears that you like Condors. I take it the program isn't up to date when it comes to the API. This confirms Ray's findings on the previous page. It looks like the data you pulled was pretty accurate. So Cosmo, what's going on? Is this a scam or are you just farming drama? I remember you said a while back that you had closed down your other accounts. Is this still your only active one?
Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.03.03 13:55:00 - [53] Originally by: RAW23 This confirms Ray's findings on the previous page. It looks like the data you pulled was pretty accurate. I believe that the data the program extracted was correct. However for instance I wasn't able to find the transaction Ray has posted about in the post you mention. I can only see the purchase of a Condor and some hybrids and ammo(in the personal transactions). I believe the reason is that the transaction in question is older than a week - in other words I suspect the program I'm using does not (correctly) support the journal/transaction walking feature discussed above. As such I believe that while I may have pulled some relevant data I wasn't able to pull all available data. Going from there the program could have other bugs i.e. I can't really trust what it is showing me. In any case Ray apparently used a program with working journal walking feature as he was able to pull older (and more interesting) transaction data. If I was someone who had vested interests in cosmoray's corp I'd definitely try to query the data myself. -- Originally by: Professor Slocombe I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.03.03 15:11:00 - [54] Ok, this was bugging me so I did some manual querying of the xml-data via browser and had a friend look over it who knows the api pretty well. From what I can tell the holdings corp really has 0 isk and no transaction data. I don't know how long exactly such data is saved (1 week?) but it would indicate that there has been no activity for some time. The only interesting data is in the wallet journal and it's the 1.7b transfer that has been posted. As for assets: none. In hindsight I must retract my statement about eve wallet aware being buggy. I was merely looking in the wrong place due to my inexperience with the api. As for the OP and his question: as the officially unofficial dilettante auditor of MD I'd have to say you didn't pass. You're dismissed. -- Originally by: Professor Slocombe I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
Hel O'Ween Men On A Mission	Posted - 2011.03.03 15:46:00 - [55] Originally by: Myra2007 According to a program named eve-wallet aware <Google mode> "Did you mean EVEWalletAware?" </Google mode> If that's to difficult, refer to it as "EWA". -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager
Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.03.03 15:50:00 - [56] Originally by: Hel O'Ween If that's to difficult, refer to it as "EWA". No, it's not too difficult. I simply don't care. -- Originally by: Professor Slocombe I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2011.03.03 16:53:00 - [57] For clarification on a line item from yesterday, the 3.15 Billion to and 2.0 Billion from Dark Audio (an EOH banker) would indicate winning a 1.05 game and losing a 2.10 game. In case anyone was curious. ______________________________
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.03.03 22:30:00 - [58] Originally by: Myra2007 Edited by: Myra2007 on 03/03/2011 12:13:00 Just for the fun of it I tried to pull some data but failed miserably. According to a program named eve-wallet aware you have ~24m in cash and your corp has 0 assets/isk and no transaction data. It also appears that you like Condors. I take it the program isn't up to date when it comes to the API. I can confirm this as well. His person all journal has 32 entries. It goes back to the beginning of february and shows his last cosmobond payout. I know from my own wallet journal that I received payments from him in jan, dec, and since his cosmobond opened. He also has no assets, and his corp is empty. He only transfered ISK from cosmoray to the corp account to pay divs. That only shows up for february as well. There are NO player donations from other characters other that what selence mentioned about EoH. I have no clue where all his ISK went Since there isn't a contract API there is no way to search for private contracts. My own opinion in the following statement: I would expect his offerings to default without any ISK to pay divs on them effective now, as they are due today.
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2011.03.03 22:52:00 - [59] Originally by: Breaker77 Since there isn't a contract API there is no way to search for private contracts. Yes, you can search for contracts. You'll see the contract payment and involved parties; you just can't tell the content of the contract. BSAC Stock Exchange - EVE's only real-time stock exchange
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.03.03 22:59:00 - [60] Originally by: Block Ukx Originally by: Breaker77 Since there isn't a contract API there is no way to search for private contracts. Yes, you can search for contracts. You'll see the contract payment and involved parties; you just can't tell the content of the contract. Well if there are no entries in the journal for contracts, then none have taken place Otherwise, yes, you are correct.

Zeta Zhul Caldari Preemptive Paranoia	Posted - 2011.03.03 23:00:00 - [61] Isn't it entirely possible that Cosmoray is operating multiple corps for security/safety? One very public corp for distribution of dividends and the corp(s) for the actual trading/production. That way anyone trying to target Cosmorays operations couldn't do it simply by looking at his profile. In such an instance why would he keep any significant isk in his front corp?
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.03.03 23:06:00 - [62] Edited by: Breaker77 on 03/03/2011 23:07:43 Originally by: Zeta Zhul Isn't it entirely possible that Cosmoray is operating multiple corps for security/safety? One very public corp for distribution of dividends and the corp(s) for the actual trading/production. That way anyone trying to target Cosmorays operations couldn't do it simply by looking at his profile. In such an instance why would he keep any significant isk in his front corp? Thats a good point, but there are no player donations to pay out his dividends. So where in the hell is the ISK coming from and it's gone now.
Kalrand GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.03.03 23:09:00 - [63] Originally by: Breaker77 Edited by: Breaker77 on 03/03/2011 23:07:43 Originally by: Zeta Zhul Isn't it entirely possible that Cosmoray is operating multiple corps for security/safety? One very public corp for distribution of dividends and the corp(s) for the actual trading/production. That way anyone trying to target Cosmorays operations couldn't do it simply by looking at his profile. In such an instance why would he keep any significant isk in his front corp? Thats a good point, but there are no player donations to pay out his dividends. So where in the hell is the ISK coming from and it's gone now. Could someone find where he sold shares and sum up how much he's paid out? Vote KALRAND for CSM!
Cyaxares II	Posted - 2011.03.04 16:43:00 - [64] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Originally by: Misty McGinnity Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha The tosh I based my posts on, was a CCP mod reply to an ingame petition. Screenshot of petition or GTFO. It's forbidden to post petitions. EvE Mail me from your main and I'll setup things in an EULA compliant way so you can see it. I did petition for clarification on the issue of posting API keys on the forums (explaining VV's line of argumentation in my petition). The answer I did receive was (paraphrased): CCP is ok with people posting mails, logs, API keys, ... "within reason" on the forums as long as no information that would "link a player avatar to a real life customer" is shared. Although VV maintains that sharing the information accessible through cosmo's API keys was not "within reason" her presentation of CCP policies on this matter has imo been slightly misleading (inb4 "English is not my first language").
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.03.04 17:01:00 - [65] Originally by: Cyaxares II Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Originally by: Misty McGinnity Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha The tosh I based my posts on, was a CCP mod reply to an ingame petition. Screenshot of petition or GTFO. It's forbidden to post petitions. EvE Mail me from your main and I'll setup things in an EULA compliant way so you can see it. I did petition for clarification on the issue of posting API keys on the forums (explaining VV's line of argumentation in my petition). The answer I did receive was (paraphrased): CCP is ok with people posting mails, logs, API keys, ... "within reason" on the forums as long as no information that would "link a player avatar to a real life customer" is shared. Although VV maintains that sharing the information accessible through cosmo's API keys was not "within reason" her presentation of CCP policies on this matter has imo been slightly misleading (inb4 "English is not my first language"). Did the posted info get removed? Yes. Then what was made available was not within reason. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
DeODokktor Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2011.03.05 01:44:00 - [66] When I caught the main of an alt who was trying to scam me, the mods deleted post from locked threads to remove proof of me catching his main. Perhaps this was done because he gives details of his main (possibly Real name and where he lives) but no one ever told me for sure as the complaint went internal and they refused to give me details. Answers to petitions ingame are not something set in stone. GM's quite often decide things according to their own view of a particular situation. If this char gave his full API key then that was his mistake in this scam. The API should have character only options and a special key that we can assign for specific values.. wallet & no assets... assets & no wallet .. evemails and nothing else... or whatever. account full / restricted / special character full / restricted / special If the guy scammed you then so be it.. CCP has yet to put any "Loan" system in place for loaning isk even though it would be DEAD EASY for them to do. I tend to think that CCP doesnt like you linking one alt to another, but I feel if a player exposes their own alts then they should deal with what happens there. I have never heard of a judge allowing a criminal to walk free because they didnt do a good job of covering tracks!.. Perhaps rules are different in Iceland?... after all, like 3 people did bankrupt the whole country :P. ----------- Never Forget the joy of finding a main to link to a scammer alt. N-y-p-h-u-r ! !


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