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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.09 05:15:00 -
[61]
I think that people are against Block primarily because he has a large amount of unsecured capital that hasn't been properly audited; he has stated he is looking into the possibility of arranging for an audit of said capital, but the fact that it is taking time before he releases his API details to a third party make his position look weak, as if he's simply stringing people along before the implosion.
I personally have no investment in BSAC and no personal opinion on the matter; prior to Cosmo's announcement I would have said Block has been running a Ponzi for an awful long time to let it collapse now, but with Cosmo's post, the confidence bubble has burst for a bit and it will take time for the board to get a new one.
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Zeta Zhul
Caldari
Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2011.03.09 06:14:00 -
[62]
 Originally by: Block Ukx
Yes, development and testing (by me) takes place on a different location.
One thing that you have overlooked is that testing my idea of gauging the ôrisk-freeö interest rate requires live participants as no code can simulate the mood of the investment environment.
5,082 Bonds Available
Mood? Code has no mood. There is no mood in coding.
A transaction is a transaction. A sale is a sale. A buy is a buy. A third party transfer is a third party transfer. This isn't a simulation of mood rings. What you're discussing is a straightforward database driven application that allows for the registration of new issues, sale of such issues, redemption of issues and (possibly) third party transfers of registered issues.
There is no such thing as mood. There is such a thing as "tempo". But unless you're dealing in a real time system that deals in billions of transactions per day then tempo has nothing to do with your system.
And besides these are bonds. They aren't commodities futures. Nobody is bidding furiously on the potential value of Warp Disruptor I stocks in June. Just how often are bonds sold? Bought? Traded? Frankly bonds that are being trading furiously isn't a sign of a healthy system.
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Barbsi
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Posted - 2011.03.09 08:27:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Zeta Zhul
Mood? Code has no mood. There is no mood in coding.
A transaction is a transaction. A sale is a sale. A buy is a buy. A third party transfer is a third party transfer. This isn't a simulation of mood rings. What you're discussing is a straightforward database driven application that allows for the registration of new issues, sale of such issues, redemption of issues and (possibly) third party transfers of registered issues.
There is no such thing as mood. There is such a thing as "tempo". But unless you're dealing in a real time system that deals in billions of transactions per day then tempo has nothing to do with your system.
And besides these are bonds. They aren't commodities futures. Nobody is bidding furiously on the potential value of Warp Disruptor I stocks in June. Just how often are bonds sold? Bought? Traded? Frankly bonds that are being trading furiously isn't a sign of a healthy system.
Honestly your answers really don't make a lot of sense to me.
From what you said doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. I though this is a discussion about investment?
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2011.03.09 09:47:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Zeta Zhul
Honestly your answers really don't make a lot of sense to me.
It's a public psychology test, as anyone reasonably paranoid can postulate.
The art of war treatise in deception, all warfare is deception.
The best ones, even your left hand don't know what's your right hand is doing.
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Zeta Zhul
Caldari
Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2011.03.09 11:59:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Barbsi
Originally by: Zeta Zhul
Mood? Code has no mood. There is no mood in coding.
A transaction is a transaction. A sale is a sale. A buy is a buy. A third party transfer is a third party transfer. This isn't a simulation of mood rings. What you're discussing is a straightforward database driven application that allows for the registration of new issues, sale of such issues, redemption of issues and (possibly) third party transfers of registered issues.
There is no such thing as mood. There is such a thing as "tempo". But unless you're dealing in a real time system that deals in billions of transactions per day then tempo has nothing to do with your system.
And besides these are bonds. They aren't commodities futures. Nobody is bidding furiously on the potential value of Warp Disruptor I stocks in June. Just how often are bonds sold? Bought? Traded? Frankly bonds that are being trading furiously isn't a sign of a healthy system.
Honestly your answers really don't make a lot of sense to me.
From what you said doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. I though this is a discussion about investment?
This is a discussion about investment whose primary purpose is to test software.
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Zeta Zhul
Caldari
Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2011.03.09 12:10:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Sturmwolke
Originally by: Zeta Zhul
Honestly your answers really don't make a lot of sense to me.
It's a public psychology test, as anyone reasonably paranoid can postulate.
The art of war treatise in deception, all warfare is deception.
The best ones, even your left hand don't know what's your right hand is doing.
1. The stated purpose was to test software.
2. As a "public psychology test" it is fail.
3. The whole "Art of War" thing is nice but frankly irrelevant. Yes in warfare all warfare is deception but that really doesn't apply very much to MD when most people expect to get ripped off.
4. This begs the question; does the left want to know what the right hand is doing?
5. And seriously can we all agree on a new source of irrelevant quotes? The whole Ancient Chinese Wisdom thing is gotten a bit manky. How about Aztec? Or Mayan? Or are they only good for an odd calendar? Fortune cookies?
"The smart thing is to prepare for the unexpected. "
Hey that works.
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2011.03.09 12:23:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Misty McGinnity
other than the obvious, the investment system is too complex for the layperson to invest in, thus leaving only the nerds posting here to be able to understand it & post negatively (as they "know" better  )
It doesn't take a lot of financial or mathematical education to know you wouldn't need 10 billion spacebucks to test any piece of software, ever.
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Zeta Zhul
Caldari
Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2011.03.09 20:29:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Zeta Zhul on 09/03/2011 20:32:01
Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Originally by: Misty McGinnity
other than the obvious, the investment system is too complex for the layperson to invest in, thus leaving only the nerds posting here to be able to understand it & post negatively (as they "know" better )
It doesn't take a lot of financial or mathematical education to know you wouldn't need 10 billion spacebucks to test any piece of software, ever.
And a further point is that you never test your software with real world data.
Why is that?
Because real world data may or may not include all possible and potential conditions. In many cases there are some odd data permutations and combination that may not come up except in very very odd instances. In such a situation using real world data in testing software what you'll have is a QA process that covers perhaps the majority of common situations but you will have complete untested these odd permutations. And this is how bugs remain like a hidden time bomb ready to blow everything up. Particularly in an application that purports to simulate a financial trading system.
So to properly test software you must identify all possible types of transactions and all combination and permutations of such transactions and then create an input file that can be used to aggressively "work" the application.
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This is not a hit on Block. It's his bond and he's evidently sold half of it so more power to him. He has already admitted that he isn't a professional developer so not following the precise path a professional developer would take is not of intent but a lack of experience. This discussion at this point, for me, is more of a FYI and informational on how things are done in order to prevent future issues and bugs from cropping up.
Like any advice taking it is entirely optional. But if there's an interest in seeing how to set up an automated testing process for a website, then perhaps I should work up a sample application and a write up for the Technology Lab.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.03.10 01:51:00 -
[69]
Since the effective rate varies depending on the number of days to maturity, we want to calculate the weight average rate for this Bond, defined as:
<R30> = Sum [ 3% * 30 * V(di) / di ] / Sum [V(di)],
where the sum is over i and
di is the number of days to maturity
V(di) is the volume purchased at di
As of today <R30> = 2.58 %
About half the bond still available, so it will be interesting to see how will <R30> evolve in time.
5,072 Bonds Available
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.10 01:57:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Block Ukx
Since the effective rate varies depending on the number of days to maturity, we want to calculate the weight average rate for this Bond, defined as:
<R30> = Sum [ 3% * 30 * V(di) / di ] / Sum [V(di)],
where the sum is over i and
di is the number of days to maturity
V(di) is the volume purchased at di
As of today <R30> = 2.58 %
About half the bond still available, so it will be interesting to see how will <R30> evolve in time.
5,072 Bonds Available
You can't write a simple program to do that yourself?
Hell, even this can be done in Excel where you can fiddle with the numbers.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.03.10 02:17:00 -
[71]
I believe the point is to get a final figure based on what REAL people ACTUALLY buy. He cannot simulate this by plugging in random "what if I sell 3 on tuesday and 47 on friday" he is trying to see what the "weighted" interest rate is, which will be calcuated based on bond purchase numbers and days.
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.10 02:27:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Caldariftw123
I believe the point is to get a final figure based on what REAL people ACTUALLY buy. He cannot simulate this by plugging in random "what if I sell 3 on tuesday and 47 on friday" he is trying to see what the "weighted" interest rate is, which will be calcuated based on bond purchase numbers and days.
and right now I can also quote
Quote:
5,072 Bonds Available
On an offering I was doing if I was doing one.
Where are the real people interested in this?
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.03.10 02:39:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Breaker77
Where are the real people interested in this?
Real People trade in the BSAC Stock Exchange.
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Molic Blackbird
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Posted - 2011.03.10 02:42:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Breaker77
Where are the real people interested in this?
I would have bought it out already, but I want the effective interest rate as high as possible in case its used as future guide as to where the interest rate should be set.
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Katie Tanaka
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Posted - 2011.03.10 06:11:00 -
[75]
This is just a rather unusual way to model a bond auction.
A typical auction for a short-term debt security (say a US Treasury bill, also a zero-coupon bond) will involve an issuer announcing the size of the issue, the maturity and other relevant terms, then market participants will - within a short window - bid on the basis of a price discounted from par. Since you know the maturity, you're effecting bidding for yield.
In a Treasury bill auction, it's a uniform-price auction so the highest winning yield is that one at which the whole issue is sold to the bidders; but that needn't be the case - in a multiple-price auction, the bids are paid out highest-price-first therefore giving variable yield across the issue.
The difference here is that instead of maintaining the duration and varying the price in order to vary the yield, the OP is varying the duration and maintaining the price. The principle is exactly the same since all that matters from the investor perspective is yield (well normally there'd be some credit risk, but this is EVE...)
I have to wonder how useful variable-duration funding is for the issuer, though!
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.03.10 09:13:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 10/03/2011 09:13:57
Originally by: Block Ukx
IÆm not a financial expert, and IÆm not a professional software developer. There are no testers or dev personnel; it is just me. I do my best to ensure everything is working correctly, but mistakes have happened and there have been errors.
Let's frame the whole thing in a constructive manner.
1) Imho you have issues with English similar to mine. While my tongue has zillions of terms, they apply with a lot of precision while still leaving room for feelings to perspire out, expecially in writing.
English has far less terms and complexity, and the semantics seem to come out of the whole sentence and the little sub-units of it (those 2-3 tied words used everywhere).
It's difficult at best for someone who never lived in UK / USA to know how the mental process the guys living there exactly use to shape those sentences.
Therefore you will see people like me talking a sort of apparently decent English but grievous misunderstandings and errors WILL happen.
2) Due to 1) and due to you just not mentioning it, you did not split the matter in the two branches it should:
2a) The programming side.
2b) The human feedback side.
2a) Had you been a SW developer you'd probably found useful these paradigms:
- Unit testing
This is useful expecially for hardening code "by contract". There are unit testing suites of all flavours (free and not), languages (including C# and PHP...) and OSes (Windows, Unix...).
- Monte Carlo Analysis
Also available in Excel, this is useful to model a massively huge amount of permutations of equation terms. Since BSAC players are a minority of a niche game, it makes sense to simulate more situations than even all your clients together would ever conceive.
2b) A potential buyer of yours and not you clearly expressed here what this whole testing is about:
Originally by: Molic Blackbird
I would have bought it out already, but I want the effective interest rate as high as possible in case its used as future guide as to where the interest rate should be set.
This is exactly the kind of behavior Block Ukx is after: people who want to invest but want to wait exactly the perceived best moment to do so.
This is also possible to model via math terms, because people will indeed invest in a Gaussian distribution centered around the optimal value. What's not possible to model is the profile of the outliers, the reasons why they invested in that odd period could be worth to learn.
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Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read
http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.03.10 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
2) Due to 1) and due to you just not mentioning it, you did not split the matter in the two branches it should:
2a) The programming side.
2b) The human feedback side.
This was more or less the conclusion I came to as well. I'm still not convinced that research into 2b) is a good reason to ask people to risk their isk on an investment but that is another matter.
Generally, I wasn't aware that English was not Block's first language. If that is the case then it explains a great deal in terms of apparent lack of clarity in communication. Having spent years living in countries where I either speak the language badly or not at all I have nothing but respect for anyone who attains even a communicable level of my own language (perhaps my standards are a bit low because Brits are terrible at learning other languages). However, it may be worth passing explanations through a native speaker before posting them, where possible, in order to avoid miscommunication.
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Katie Tanaka
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:11:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Katie Tanaka on 10/03/2011 11:11:42
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
This is also possible to model via math terms, because people will indeed invest in a Gaussian distribution centered around the optimal value. What's not possible to model is the profile of the outliers, the reasons why they invested in that odd period could be worth to learn.
What does 'optimal value' mean here? Why would they invest in a Gaussian distribution centred around it? Why do Monte Carlo methods even come into the discussion?
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Zeta Zhul
Caldari
Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2011.03.10 19:03:00 -
[79]
Well
1. The optimal buy in point is that point which maximizes ROI while minimizes risk. With set rate of return, closed ended bond the optimal point is the very last day that a bond can be purchased which is April 8th.
2. "This is exactly the kind of behavior Block Ukx is after: people who want to invest but want to wait exactly the perceived best moment to do so.
This is also possible to model via math terms, because people will indeed invest in a Gaussian distribution centered around the optimal value. What's not possible to model is the profile of the outliers, the reasons why they invested in that odd period could be worth to learn."
Except of course people being people you won't actually get that kind of data. Some people will learn of the bond issue late. Some people won't get off the fence and actually make a decision. Some people will just have bad timing and won't have the cash available at the time they actually wish to buy. Some people will realize that April 8th is the best time to buy in if you are going to buy in. And some people, me as an example, just can't be arsed to do it at all.
IMO There isn't actually all that much financial modeling going on. Nor even social or people modeling going on. What is going on is a reflection of the current levels of trust by MD'ers towards Block and BSAC. Those that buy in will have varying levels of trust towards Block and BSAC and their buy in amounts will reflect that. Some won't and won't buy in at all. In effect Block is assembling the details of a cadre of investors that have trust in him. Those that only buy 1 bond @ 1 mil will have enough trust to buy in, but just a toenail's worth. Those that go for 1bil or more have more trust in Block.
If the intent is to winnow through the list of potential investors and assemble a list of actual investors for a 2.0 project, then this is actually not only an extremely good idea but something short of brilliant.
Which tickles my funny bone to no end at all. 
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.03.10 19:51:00 -
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First people attack my integrity, now is my posting style and my English. WhatÆs next, my ethnicity?
Perhaps my short posting is due to the hostility towards BSAC. I donÆt mind critics and I do appreciate constructive comments, but it gets tiring to continue reading comments like:
ôSurely you are not that disorganizedö
ôOk ill be the first one to yell SCAMö
ôGood grief, you must be joking!ö
ôReputation counts for nothingö
ôpathetic, truly patheticö
ôGive it up, Block. You're doing yourself a disserviceö
ômost stupid reason I have yet to see in MDö
ôrunning a huge ponzi schemeö
ôfrankly tells me that you don't seem to understandö
ômy gut instinct on an offer like this says that it's a scamö
ôit may be worth passing explanations through a native speaker before posting themö
@VV
You are assuming that peoplesÆ investments can be model with a Gaussian distribution. So far, the data I have collected suggests that the investment profile cannot be fitted using a Gaussian. My goal is to use <R30> as a measure of future interest rates.
PS IÆm sorry if you canÆt understand my English. My translator is broken and the ônative speakerö is out of town.
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Khanid Voltar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.03.10 19:53:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Zeta Zhul
What is going on is a reflection of the current levels of trust by MD'ers towards Block and BSAC. Those that buy in will have varying levels of trust towards Block and BSAC and their buy in amounts will reflect that. Some won't and won't buy in at all. In effect Block is assembling the details of a cadre of investors that have trust in him. Those that only buy 1 bond @ 1 mil will have enough trust to buy in, but just a toenail's worth. Those that go for 1bil or more have more trust in Block.
I think you are forgetting that Block already has at least a couple of hundred billion in deposits from investors, and if he was planning to use the information in the way you have described he could easily just look at his investor list, rather than starting a new bond.
Anyone who has already invested in his cash reserve (presently circa 160B isk) would rather leave their money there than remove it and put it somewhere else (for exactly the same rate of interest).
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.03.10 20:17:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Block Ukx
First people attack my integrity, now is my posting style and my English. WhatÆs next, my ethnicity?
Perhaps my short posting is due to the hostility towards BSAC. I donÆt mind critics and I do appreciate constructive comments, but it gets tiring to continue reading comments like:
ôSurely you are not that disorganizedö
ôOk ill be the first one to yell SCAMö
ôGood grief, you must be joking!ö
ôReputation counts for nothingö
ôpathetic, truly patheticö
ôGive it up, Block. You're doing yourself a disserviceö
ômost stupid reason I have yet to see in MDö
ôrunning a huge ponzi schemeö
ôfrankly tells me that you don't seem to understandö
ômy gut instinct on an offer like this says that it's a scamö
ôit may be worth passing explanations through a native speaker before posting themö
@VV
You are assuming that peoplesÆ investments can be model with a Gaussian distribution. So far, the data I have collected suggests that the investment profile cannot be fitted using a Gaussian. My goal is to use <R30> as a measure of future interest rates.
PS IÆm sorry if you canÆt understand my English. My translator is broken and the ônative speakerö is out of town.
No one's attacking your English but you surely realise that a lack of clarity is a problem? If you don't explain things properly it is entirely unreasonable of you to expect everyone else to just assume the best. You could have avoided a lot of the problems in this thread by clearly explaining why you were asking the public for isk. Your English is actually very good, which is why I hadn't suspected you might not be a native speaker previously. But if you are not a native speaker it would explain why you often think that you have answered things adequately when you have not. Construing the suggestion that you get someone to look over your explanations as an attack, on the other hand, cannot be put down to an imprefect understanding of nuance. That just reflects arrogance.
tl;dr - You explain things very poorly and if people react badly to those poor explanations and you take no action to remedy the quality of the explanations, then you have no-one but yourself to blame for the reactions you will continue to receive.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.03.10 20:48:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Block Ukx
ôSurely you are not that disorganizedö
ôOk ill be the first one to yell SCAMö
ôGood grief, you must be joking!ö
ôReputation counts for nothingö
ôpathetic, truly patheticö
ôGive it up, Block. You're doing yourself a disserviceö
ômost stupid reason I have yet to see in MDö
ôrunning a huge ponzi schemeö
ôfrankly tells me that you don't seem to understandö
ômy gut instinct on an offer like this says that it's a scamö
ôit may be worth passing explanations through a native speaker before posting themö
So poor explanations on my part deserve this type of response?
BSAC Stock Exchange - EVE's only real-time stock exchange |
Cheque Please
Hot Like Mexico
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Posted - 2011.03.10 20:53:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Block Ukx
ôSurely you are not that disorganizedö
ôOk ill be the first one to yell SCAMö
ôGood grief, you must be joking!ö
ôReputation counts for nothingö
ôpathetic, truly patheticö
ôGive it up, Block. You're doing yourself a disserviceö
ômost stupid reason I have yet to see in MDö
ôrunning a huge ponzi schemeö
ôfrankly tells me that you don't seem to understandö
ômy gut instinct on an offer like this says that it's a scamö
ôit may be worth passing explanations through a native speaker before posting themö
So poor explanations on my part deserve this type of response?
I haven't been keeping up as well as I should be, but I think it might have to do with your refusal to be audited by a 3rd party, cryptic responses to questions, starting a 10b bond to "test code", and a bald character portrait (95% of villains are bald)
Hope that helps, GL !
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.03.10 21:10:00 -
[85]
Edited by: RAW23 on 10/03/2011 21:10:22
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Block Ukx
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ôit may be worth passing explanations through a native speaker before posting themö
So poor explanations on my part deserve this type of response?
That last one, yes, although it's not a case of you 'deserving' it. It was meant to be a constructive suggestion.
As to the others, some of them were responses that took your initial explanation at face value without understanding the other, thus far unexplained, elements of what you were doing. As such, they had some reason to be critical as they assumed the incomplete explanation was a complete one. The ponzi scheme and scam claims are, in my opinion, less reasonable as there is no solid evidence for this. However, given that some people have certain concerns about your wider business, this thread, with the limited explanation initially given (essentially, 'I would like 10bil to try out some code') seemed to play straight into the hands of those accusations. This is not to condone such ungrounded accusations but given that I think there are some reasonable grounds for being at least slightly suspicious, although I'm beginning to suspect that many of these grounds may have arisen from precisly the sort of communication issues seen in this thread rather than any actual intent to be evasive/deceptive, the way that this thread was handled almost invited their repetition.
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2011.03.10 21:16:00 -
[86]
Originally by: RAW23
I'm beginning to suspect that many of these grounds may have arisen from precisly the sort of communication issues seen in this thread rather than any actual intent to be evasive/deceptive
:facepalm:
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.03.10 21:37:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Block Ukx on 10/03/2011 21:38:49
Originally by: RAW23
Edited by: RAW23 on 10/03/2011 21:10:22
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: RAW23
it may be worth passing explanations through a native speaker before posting them
So poor explanations on my part deserve this type of response?
That last one, yes, although it's not a case of you 'deserving' it. It was meant to be a constructive suggestion.
I see. So, only native speakers can communicate flawlessly.
BSAC Stock Exchange - EVE's only real-time stock exchange |
Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2011.03.10 21:42:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Block Ukx
I see. So, only native speakers can communicate flawlessly.
Unless they're left-handed, or ginger.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.03.10 21:50:00 -
[89]
Edited by: RAW23 on 10/03/2011 21:50:47
Originally by: Block Ukx
Edited by: Block Ukx on 10/03/2011 21:38:49
Originally by: RAW23
Edited by: RAW23 on 10/03/2011 21:10:22
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: RAW23
it may be worth passing explanations through a native speaker before posting them
So poor explanations on my part deserve this type of response?
That last one, yes, although it's not a case of you 'deserving' it. It was meant to be a constructive suggestion.
I see. So, only native speakers can communicate flawlessly.
No idea where you got that from but you are more likely to find a native speaker who can get the various nuances than a non-native speaker. My wife is a non-native speaker who lived and worked in the UK for 12 years, acquiring a Ph.D. and teaching in some of the country's top universities. She writes books in English that are published by UK publishing houses. She and I still end up having arguments that have their roots in one of us failing to convey some detail of English properly to the other.
My point is not the chauvanistic claim that only native speakers will be able to do a good enough job for these forums. To focus on my mention of native speakers is again to miss the point (as well as the nuance conveyed by 'may' which is not the same as to say that you must use a native speaker and only a native speaker). Just get someone who is better than you to help.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.03.10 21:58:00 -
[90]
Originally by: RAW23
Just get someone who is better than you to help.
Yes, and according to you a native speaker is better than me. According to you, a native speaker can communicate more effectively than a non-native speaker. This type of discrimination practice is not tolerated in the US.
Should I get a native UK speaker or a native US speaker?
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