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Yakti
Hedion University
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Posted - 2011.03.08 19:31:00 -
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Whats the best non-Amarr ship for Sansha 0.0 ratting which is both quick , efficient and has room for a cloak? Shield or armor are both options.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.08 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Yakti Whats the best non-Amarr ship for Sansha 0.0 ratting which is both quick , efficient and has room for a cloak? Shield or armor are both options.
Mach.
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Yakti
Hedion University
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Posted - 2011.03.08 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Yakti Whats the best non-Amarr ship for Sansha 0.0 ratting which is both quick , efficient and has room for a cloak? Shield or armor are both options.
Mach.
Even with the big EM and somewhat less bigger THERM hole in shields?
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Songbird
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Posted - 2011.03.09 04:46:00 -
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Edited by: Songbird on 09/03/2011 04:48:02 Raven? cheap enough I guess... Sentry domi with rails ? Although it's DPS is not even close to that of a mach.
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.03.09 04:54:00 -
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Edited by: Headerman on 09/03/2011 04:56:02 Vargur is made for sansha missioning. Or a Maelstrom
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2011.03.09 05:44:00 -
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Raven is cheap and decent. Decent fit skills can fit a cloak, tank and full arbelests cruise in the highs (not sure if t2 fits....last blet ratter I ran was a firesale for cheap...arbelests did me fine, so did running t1 ammo I could make off of crap loot not wirht a damn on the markets). I'd put 1 rigor or 2 in for the cruisers to speed their kills in the spawns. Warp to max range of ships sensors, start missile spam. On a triple 1.8, 1 bs should be down by the time other 2 are in their now we mean business range.
But I always like raven for ratting. Thier loss unlike say a mach is easy to take. And unless you are hitting multiple systems, by the time you are done last spawn on last belt, the first couple of spawns you hit should almost be full capacity again if you stick to 1 system.
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Target Painter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.09 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Yakti Whats the best non-Amarr ship for Sansha 0.0 ratting which is both quick , efficient and has room for a cloak? Shield or armor are both options.
Not sure if it counts as Amarr, but a Nightmare is pretty pimp.
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Devil's Call
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.09 08:25:00 -
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Edited by: Devil''s Call on 09/03/2011 08:25:33 Edit: Not sure, but I suspect a nightmare will be really nice against Sansha.
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Yakti
Hedion University
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Posted - 2011.03.09 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Devil's Call Edited by: Devil''s Call on 09/03/2011 08:25:33 Edit: Not sure, but I suspect a nightmare will be really nice against Sansha.
Highest Amarr skill I have is Amarr frigate at lvl3 :) Basicly, armor tanking ships fair better because of higher natural resists agains Sansha, but the hybrids suck damage :( And to armor tank a mach, thats ... thats blasphemy!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.09 13:05:00 -
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Anything that combines the words "T2" and "Minmatar" will eat Sansha like there's no tomorrow. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Millie Clode
Amarr Insert Cool Name Here
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Posted - 2011.03.09 13:13:00 -
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Covert/Nullifier Loki ---------- Who, me? |
The TradeDude
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Posted - 2011.03.09 14:51:00 -
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The standard 3xTP Golem. Dose not get much better then this.
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Jose Black
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.03.09 15:12:00 -
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I always had a blast doing it with a Deimos. It's quick, even more agile, has room for cloak. Damage - it's a Deimos.
Tank might look weak on paper but I never had trouble even when omnitanking.
Ofc it's not the very least afk-able, but you shouldn't be anyway in zero sec.
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Target Painter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.09 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Millie Clode Covert/Nullifier Loki
Covert sub is a horrible idea. You could belt rat in a Rupture and make more isk than with a covert Loki.
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rodensteiner
Amarr OMGROFLSTOMP
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Posted - 2011.03.09 18:15:00 -
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Doesn't look like anyone actually read more than "sansha" in the OP lol!
For belt ratting and anomalies in sansha 0.0, either minmatar HAC will do well.
The Vagabond may be better for belt ratting, and you could probably do it in a standard pvp fit.
I used to run sansha 0.0 anomalies in a Muninn, could do any of them without much problem. Crappy part is short range, but it works pretty well.
This is what I used:
[Muninn, sansha pve] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
10MN Afterburner II Large Capacitor Battery II Stasis Webifier II
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M Improved Cloaking Device II [empty high slot]
Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I
Warrior II x5
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Yakti
Hedion University
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Posted - 2011.03.09 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: rodensteiner Doesn't look like anyone actually read more than "sansha" in the OP lol!
For belt ratting and anomalies in sansha 0.0, either minmatar HAC will do well.
The Vagabond may be better for belt ratting, and you could probably do it in a standard pvp fit.
I used to run sansha 0.0 anomalies in a Muninn, could do any of them without much problem. Crappy part is short range, but it works pretty well.
This is what I used:
[Muninn, sansha pve] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
10MN Afterburner II Large Capacitor Battery II Stasis Webifier II
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M Improved Cloaking Device II [empty high slot]
Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I
Warrior II x5
Interesting point of view! Totally overlooked the good resists against Sansha on those Minmatar HACS! I guess I will go for the Muninn then, cheaper then Rattle or Mach, more agile, nice one!
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AstarothPrime
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Posted - 2011.03.10 07:15:00 -
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tengu
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The Old Chap
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Posted - 2011.03.10 12:56:00 -
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Edited by: The Old Chap on 10/03/2011 12:57:04
Originally by: The TradeDude The standard 3xTP Golem. Dose not get much better then this.
Golem rocks... until you try the Vargur. I swapped and never looked back.
edit: since when has S W O P been a naughty word?
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Sigras
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Posted - 2011.03.11 05:50:00 -
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Originally by: The Old Chap Edited by: The Old Chap on 10/03/2011 12:57:04
Originally by: The TradeDude The standard 3xTP Golem. Dose not get much better then this.
Golem rocks... until you try the Vargur. I swapped and never looked back.
edit: since when has S W O P been a naughty word?
QFT, my vargur has more damage and more range than your torp golem in 90% of situations
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Furies Ops
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Posted - 2011.03.11 09:17:00 -
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I -too- have been fooling around in eft to find out the "best" max BC sized hull to pop sanshas.
The problem here is that I'm not in the region -yet- and I have no idea at all which range different sansha ships will remain to determine the range I need to be able to shoot at.
Zealot has some benefits (range + right damage types), muninn has insane tank and dps, sleipnir/absolution has awesome dps but short range and tengu/Nighhawk does badly against sansha (no use for bonus there ~500+dps/EM).
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.03.11 09:22:00 -
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NPC tracking disruption doesn't affect falloff. Sanshas are weaker to EM than to thermal. EMP does more EM damage than any appreciably high-damage crystal, barring scorch. T2 Minmatar ships get a bonus to EM and thermal resists.
For belt ratting: Vaga For plexes: Sleipnir For anoms: Vargur
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Emperor Ryan
Amarr The Illuminatii Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.03.11 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Songbird Edited by: Songbird on 09/03/2011 04:48:02 Raven? cheap enough I guess... Sentry domi with rails ? Although it's DPS is not even close to that of a mach.
Did you miss the part where the OP said 'the best' not 'the cheapest'
The best ships are the following, Mach, Vargur, Golem , And well you could say the nightmare since it's half amarr/Caldari but if that dosent fit the bill scratch it off the list. There is of course Carriers (if this is for 0.0 anom ratting in quiet space) and then there's the tengu - Emperor
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Emperor Ryan
Amarr The Illuminatii Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.03.11 11:16:00 -
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Interesting point of view! Totally overlooked the good resists against Sansha on those Minmatar HACS! I guess I will go for the Muninn then, cheaper then Rattle or Mach, more agile, nice one!
If you're going to do something like that remember that first Auto cannons chew up ammo, and second get a command ship over a Muninn, Sleipy does the job much better. - Emperor
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rodensteiner
Amarr OMGROFLSTOMP
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Posted - 2011.03.14 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: rodensteiner on 14/03/2011 13:16:13
Originally by: Emperor Ryan
Interesting point of view! Totally overlooked the good resists against Sansha on those Minmatar HACS! I guess I will go for the Muninn then, cheaper then Rattle or Mach, more agile, nice one!
If you're going to do something like that remember that first Auto cannons chew up ammo, and second get a command ship over a Muninn, Sleipy does the job much better.
This is very true. The Muninn will eat through a ton of ammo. Furthermore, you won't be doing any damage past about 16km which means that you will spend more time chasing down battleships that like to stay at about 50-60km.
I've tried using a Tengu in Sansha space but it just wasn't that great...shooting anything other than kinetic in a Tengu is hardly worth it. Sansha's defender missiles are annoying, too. O If I were to try a Sleip I would seriously consider using artillery _____________________________________________
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.14 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Yakti
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Yakti Whats the best non-Amarr ship for Sansha 0.0 ratting which is both quick , efficient and has room for a cloak? Shield or armor are both options.
Mach.
Even with the big EM and somewhat less bigger THERM hole in shields?
Certainly. It has a lot of gank. You can easily fit a gist xlarge SB + 3 hardeners.
@813 DPS I get 18 mil bounty ticks vs sansha's.
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Nerfherder101
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Posted - 2011.03.14 15:55:00 -
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Anyone got any good Loki Sansha DED site fits?
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BlackSparrowHawk
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Posted - 2011.03.14 16:35:00 -
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So i asked someone the other day what use is there for amarr if they fail at PVE with restricted damage types... I was corrected that amarr are great for rats in Amarr space... According to this thread, minmatar ships are a better option?
Why are Amarr so .... meh. What's the point in having a race who's range of ships are completely mediocre in most departments.
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Saint Lazarus
Pwn 'N Play Chaos Theory Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.14 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: BlackSparrowHawk So i asked someone the other day what use is there for amarr if they fail at PVE with restricted damage types... I was corrected that amarr are great for rats in Amarr space... According to this thread, minmatar ships are a better option?
Why are Amarr so .... meh. What's the point in having a race who's range of ships are completely mediocre in most departments.
Try reading the OP
Loki works quite well, better than tengu but as has been stated before ammo becomes a big issue. I know someone who'd go through a full cargo hold (20,000+) rounds within 3-4 hours of constant ratting. So make sure to buy a EMP M BPO and be constantly pumping it out -----------------
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.03.16 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Aamrr on 16/03/2011 22:55:49
Originally by: BlackSparrowHawk So i asked someone the other day what use is there for amarr if they fail at PVE with restricted damage types... I was corrected that amarr are great for rats in Amarr space... According to this thread, minmatar ships are a better option?
Why are Amarr so .... meh. What's the point in having a race who's range of ships are completely mediocre in most departments.
It has to do with NPC ewar. Sanshas and Bloods employ energy neutralization and a particularly gimpy form of tracking disruption that doesn't affect falloff. Minmatar ships don't require capacitor for their guns, and they don't rely on falloff.
Make the NPCs read some patch notes and maybe we'll see something other than Minmatar Online. As it stands, the only real option for Amarrian PvE is to grab a Nightmare. They can use tachyons with multifrequency, which gives them about half their range in falloff instead of optimal. The tracking will suck (which gets even worse under the non-stacking-penalized NPC tracking disruption), but the Nightmare's bonus somewhat mitigates that. The fact that you're doing less EM damage than a minmatar ship, with much worse resists doesn't help matters either.
Autocannons:
- Don't require capacitor. Oh, and their ships actually get DPS bonuses instead of capacitor reduction crap that Amarr gets. Rifter gets 5% speed and 7.5% tracking. Punisher gets 5% resists...and half the fits use autocannons. 'Nuff said.
- Damage selection so good that you can do more EM damage than lasers or more Thermal than blasters -- on a race whose racial damage type is explosive!
- Ludicrously trivial fitting requirements. Try to fit a rack of 425mm guns on a stabber or rupture. Hey, awesome. I even have room for an 800mm plate.
Try to fit Neutrons and 800mm on a Thorax: 13% over grid. Try to fit Heavy pulses and an 800mm an Omen: 37% over grid.
Minmatar ships:
- Very flexible resist profiles. For Angels, the only thing better than T1 shields is T2 Amarr -- and good luck using lasers against them. For Amarr/Blood, Minmatar have T2 shield resists which are awesome, and T2 armor resists, which are basically immune.
- Fast enough to dicate engagement range. Minmatar are the fastest ships. They're also extremely agile. Considering how many times they've had to nerf nanofibers, polycarbons, and microwarpdrives, I think it's still safe to say that speed is king in Eve. That hasn't changed.
- To top it off, they tend to have the best slot layout. For PvE, they can shield tank to maximize tracking enhancers and gyrostabilizers. For PvP, they can armor tank and free their mids for ewar, propulsion, and tackle. Amarrians have to compromise between damage and tank, and they don't even get free midslots to play with because it's entirely consumed with propulsion, and capacitor recharge.
Are you REALLY surprised that we've been suggesting almost exclusively Minmatar ships?
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