Originally by: Pham Lai

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Anyway, I kinda few bad for these people if they ever get banned.

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Originally by: Whitehound

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Originally by: Grey Stormshadow

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Whitehound... you constantly keep saying that anyone can make these lists up. I already pointed earlier that this is not just random list of random game aliases, but list with real names linked to game aliases and emails.

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I did not miss it, Grey. You missed where I explained that one can get such a list in different ways, i.e. by running your own game forum. You then can collect IP numbers, player names and email addresses if you ask for it in the registration process. Any idea how many corporations and alliances run their own forum and do have this information?

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Originally by: Helicity Boson

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Originally by: Whitehound

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And you cannot deny it that if CCP is being more and more successful in their fight against RMTs

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Not to nitpick here Whitehound, but I see absolutely zero evidence of this "success".

All I saw when I went to take stock of the damage of HAG, was tons of pods stitting belts long after their wrecks had been salvaged... This seems to me, to be more evidence of the contrary...

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Originally by: Whitehound

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Originally by: baltec1

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How many of them also keep records of payments of real cash for items?

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How many can you prove to be correct? No. So you can add any number to it.

I already wrote that without the proof of the real money transfer you could also write "$0" behind each name. What would then be the meaning of this list?

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Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla

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What about the other half of the equation? Are we to assume that iskbank's handful of employees accumulate all of that isk to sell? Using bots, etc. in NPC corps?

Or do they also buy isk for resale? If they had some source for large, regular volumes of isk that they can buy and resell at 50%-100% markup...

Bah...crazy...who could possibly accumulate so much isk on a regular basis?

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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa

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First, I am not quite sure what happened.

Second, if it is that iskbank was an isk seller engaged in RMT, how did they get the word out they sold isk?

Very confusing.

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Originally by: Whitehound

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Edited by: Whitehound on 09/03/2011 21:08:26

Originally by: Ingvar Angst

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You're trying too hard. Way too hard. Is your heart pounding harder and harder in your chest with every passing beat? Do you feel the warm breath of CCP on the backs of the necks of the alts that do show up on the list? Oh no... can they trace your IP address through them? All that spent money is about to be vaporized, and you know there's nothing you can do about it. Yeah, they're on to you now. Your days are numbers. All you have will be gone. You will be no more. Tha-thump tha-thump tha-thump... they're coming for you...

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Troll. I think that the argument about the list containing credit card numbers is made made up. People who read the EveNews24 article are starting to see what is not there. I went back to EveNews24 and read through the article, but I did not see any mentioning of credit card information.

If they had each player's credit card information, too, then it still would not be proof of a real money transfer, but it can be considered a "grim indicator" and an important link in the evidence chain, because one cannot get such information easily.

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Originally by: Mara Rinn

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Originally by: Fictional Invoice From EVENews24

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Order No. 8574 - 1000pcs x 1 ISK - 35.09

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Am I missing something or did "Nick Stewart" who is in Iraq pay $35.09 for 1000ISK?

The amount of PLEX this alleged operation has in storage is a little scary - if CCP doesn't squash the entire operation in one stroke, we'll potentially have a flood of PLEX onto the market, ruining the legitimate dollars-to-ISK trade. Thank goodness CCP is navigating the more cautious path.

I'm a little surprised that the database dump didn't include any information on suppliers. How does "iskbank" get their stocks if they have no suppliers?

For the moment I'll assume the article is an interesting fiction. It raises some interesting issues, but anyone taking actions against people on the "client list" without having any further evidence is basically participating in a lynch mob.

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Originally by: Mara Rinn

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Edited by: Mara Rinn on 09/03/2011 22:15:09

Originally by: Karontin Maysubile

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I think he means we, the players, might pursue justice on the people in the list.

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Yeah, I meant "anyone" as in "the anonymous masses"

Originally by: Marconus Orion

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A lot of NC alliances on that list. I take it voting for a candidate for CSM that is in an NC alliance is a vote for RMT?

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Would certainly explain why NC makes so much noise about bots. He who snuffed it, fluffed it, and all that nonsense

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Originally by: Mara Rinn

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Originally by: baltec1

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Ah well in that case it has already started. One titan pilot (who, got a titan at around the same time as the large sum of money) got the boot from their aliance. Justice is swift in eve

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But his titan and implants are still intact? And Goonswarm will happily allow the future purchaser of that character to join the alliance?

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Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla

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There is no "isk trail.". I'm kinda surprised people haven't read-up on just how they operate.

We aren't privy to what CCP is doing to combat the issue, but it would be nice if they at least put on the appearance that they are doing something...much like the kabuki theater that is the "war on drugs" in the States. We would at least feel better, even if nothing actually changed.

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Originally by: Grey Stormshadow

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Evenews24.com article - Iskbank.com: The Vadim Interview
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/03/14/iskbank-com-the-vadim-interview/

Evenews24.com article - Iskbank.com Exposed: CSM Candidates Respond
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/03/14/iskbank-com-exposed-csm-candidates-respond/

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Originally by: Whitehound

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Edited by: Whitehound on 14/03/2011 10:20:43

Originally by: Aeronwen Carys

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The only slightly sad thing is that he believes he is still in control of the argument.

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And right so.

Now more bits and pieces come to light, like who hacked whom. Seems more likely than ever that it is one RMTer trying to get rid of another and making everyone a tool.

Do you never ask yourself why EveNews24 is getting all the inside information from the RMTs and why they not get much of CCP?

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Originally by: Whitehound

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Edited by: Whitehound on 14/03/2011 10:26:50

Originally by: baltec1

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Because CCP dont make comments on active investigations while the RMTer is in full damage control mode?

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No. CCP never gives out much information in the first place, not only when EveNews24 comes up with another story.

And the guy still giving an interview when he asks EveNews24 not to disclose his customers?

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Originally by: Whitehound

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Edited by: Whitehound on 14/03/2011 10:47:58

Originally by: baltec1

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Inteview seems to have been done a while ago and maby before the list was brought out going by was has been said before todays posting.

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Is this your best explanation? The article says that they agreed to disagree, so the guy knew they were disclosing the list. So why did he give them a 3 hour interview?

They are all working together.

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Originally by: Whitehound

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Originally by: baltec1

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Same reason why MPs gave interviews while the MP expences scandal was going on. The want to at least try to save face and will continue to do so right up untill they are jailed.

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This is not the MPs here. These are RMTs and they know what they are doing is not allowed. What face is it they want to save?

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Originally by: Whitehound

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Originally by: baltec1

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The MPs also knew what they were doing was wrong. Its exactly the same, both knew it is wrong, both said they did nothing wrong, both defend what they did and both are found to be cheating little arsewipes who screw everyone else up.

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Nonsense. You are just saying "all MPs are criminals". While this may be a popular opinion do these people actually believe that they are doing the right thing for the people. Many of them have done good work or else they would not have come into being MPs. You want to put RMTs on the same level as MPs? Good luck with that.

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Originally by: Whitehound

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Originally by: baltec1

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What are you reading because it is not what I am putting down. I said the MP expences scandal. No where did I say all MPs. Before replying in future please read what I am putting down rather than useing your selective reading skills so you dont end up looking even more like a fool.

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Cry some more tears.

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Originally by: Whitehound

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Originally by: baltec1

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Interesting way to put your argument as to why everyone but you is wrong, please do go on...

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More tears, please!!!

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Originally by: Zhim'Fufu

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Originally by: baltec1

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Reasons on why sending CCP a fake list is a bad idea.

1. CCP will check and will know if you just sent a fake list

2. The person who sent the fake list would at best get a warning and at worst get a ban.

3. ANY credibility said player had before will forever be gone.

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For a member of the goonies you sure don't think like one.

*ahem*

1. Vengeful botting corp sets up new rmt site and starts collecting names with all the normal identifing goodies.

2. Vengeful botting corp seeds in the names of players they don't like with made up card details and sends them a large amount of isk when they are known to be inactive for a while.

3. Vengenful botting corp 'leaks' list through a fansite who then posts it on the official forums hoping the targeted players get ingame reprisals for being dirty rmt buyers.

4. ???

5. lulz ensues.


It will happen if it hasn't already.

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Originally by: Zhim'Fufu

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Originally by: baltec1

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A cunning plan with just one flaw. CCP follows the isk trail back to whence it came so you might end you getting yourself banned along with the victim

It would work if you are rich and rage quitting

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I'm sorry, I should have said sacrificial rmt site using throwaway botting alts. You know, they way they already operate to reduce the hit from getting caught? But what ccp does is irrelevant. It would be done to ruin a players ingame credibility as ccp will never ever ever publicly confirm or deny any action or non-action they take on any investigations they do.

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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk

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This could be post 1000 if the forum mods delete the troll posts.

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Originally by: ArtieLange

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Originally by: Horizonist

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Originally by: ArtieLange

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Edited by: ArtieLange on 16/03/2011 10:18:40
I almost quoted the post before the one above this one stating something obvious, but the troll looked like he was hungry, so I shall refrain. Everyone else should do the same, he'll get bored eventually.

And in 12 hours after the lock request. Forum ****s not paying attention this morning? Shame on you, the fuhrer won't be amused.

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The mods are not obligated to lock a thread just because the OP requests it, especially not when other people are actively using the thread for discussions.

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Sure, but how often have you read "locked at the request of the OP"? This thread has deteriorated into

troll > reply > troll > reply > troll ... etc.

So a lock might not be a bad thing.

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