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Funky Lazers
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.08.29 21:09:00 -
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Exploited Engineer wrote:Funky Lazers wrote:This doesn't solve the actual problem. Why do you think agents in 0.5 sec systems give better rewards than those in 1.0 sec systems? It usually isn't the slightly longer CONCORD reaction time ...
I don't care about rewards. I don't care about doing missions in 0.5 or in 1.0. I don't care about ISK/Hour, I already have billions I have no idea how to spend. No, you can't have them.
All I care is about having fun. I like those 2 systems I do missions in. I really like nebulae there and all that visual stuff. Thos two systems are 0.7 and 0.9, and the closest lowsec in one is in 2 jumps and the other is in 3. For some unknown reason agents give me A LOT of lowsec missions.
As for PvP, I don't care about it because it's about numbers and ganking, instead of real skills and tactics. Oh and tons of waiting, as I said before.
Doing missions is much better/more fun because I can get into action literally 50 times faster than waiting on someone to gank or die from. So this useless system of getting lowsec missions by a hisec agent ruins everything and not logical. Day ago I asked old corp members that do PvE, about declining lowsec and faction missions, the answer was the only one: they decline them. So what's the point of that system?! Reciving lowsec mission doesn't increase the reward of it because the agent who gives it is located in hisec. |
Sergeant Nuisance
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.08.30 00:15:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote:This doesn't solve the actual problem.
if you mission near a low sec system you will end up in low sec sooner or later. |
Sergeant Nuisance
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.08.30 00:16:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote:Exploited Engineer wrote:Funky Lazers wrote:This doesn't solve the actual problem. Why do you think agents in 0.5 sec systems give better rewards than those in 1.0 sec systems? It usually isn't the slightly longer CONCORD reaction time ... I don't care about rewards. I don't care about doing missions in 0.5 or in 1.0. I don't care about ISK/Hour, I already have billions I have no idea how to spend. No, you can't have them. All I care is about having fun. I like those 2 systems I do missions in. I really like nebulae there and all that visual stuff. Those two systems are 0.7 and 0.9, and the closest lowsec in one is in 2 jumps and the other is in 3. For some unknown reason agents give me A LOT of lowsec missions. As for PvP, I don't care about it because it's about numbers and ganking, instead of real skills and tactics. Oh and tons of waiting, as I said before. Doing missions is much better/more fun because I can get into action literally 50 times faster than waiting on someone to gank or die from. So this useless system of getting lowsec missions by a hisec agent ruins everything and not logical. Day ago I asked old corp members that do PvE, about declining lowsec and faction missions, the answer was the only one: they decline them. So what's the point of that system?! Reciving lowsec mission doesn't increase the reward of it because the agent who gives it is located in hisec.
just move regions!!
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
315
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Posted - 2012.08.30 01:08:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote: I don't care about rewards. I don't care about doing missions in 0.5 or in 1.0. I don't care about ISK/Hour, I already have billions I have no idea how to spend. No, you can't have them.
Then you really have no excuse not to get off your lazy @$$ and find a better mission area.
Funky Lazers wrote:All I care is about having fun. I like those 2 systems I do missions in. I really like nebulae there and all that visual stuff. Those two systems are 0.7 and 0.9, and the closest lowsec in one is in 2 jumps and the other is in 3. For some unknown reason agents give me A LOT of lowsec missions.
There are plenty of areas with great views. Many with the same nebulae you already enjoy. I had a place when I used to run missions with 2 lvl 4 agents in the same station. Worked great.
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Yatama Kautsuo
Tencus
41
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:26:00 -
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protip: you can even decline missions within those four hours. you only lose about 0.02% of faction standing declining those (quitting is another story...)
i have 9.2 faction standing and even i can decline 3 missions until it goes down 0.1...
the reason we all land at these agents is this: mostly they are 0.5 systems and simply pay out the most :P |
Martin0
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:44:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote:Exploited Engineer wrote:[quote=Funky Lazers]This doesn't solve the actual problem. I don't care about rewards. I don't care about doing missions in 0.5 or in 1.0. I don't care about ISK/Hour, I already have billions I have no idea how to spend. No, you can't have them.
If you don't know how to spend your billions send some to me
It's true that most of eve pvp is ganking, but have you ever tryed to fight in militia plexes? Lots of 1vs1 and gf to be had. |
Funky Lazers
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.09.02 20:12:00 -
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Martin0 wrote:Funky Lazers wrote:Exploited Engineer wrote:[quote=Funky Lazers]This doesn't solve the actual problem. I don't care about rewards. I don't care about doing missions in 0.5 or in 1.0. I don't care about ISK/Hour, I already have billions I have no idea how to spend. No, you can't have them. It's true that most of eve pvp is ganking, but have you ever tryed to fight in militia plexes? Lots of 1vs1 and gf to be had.
For past 6 years I tried/did almost everything (PvP mostly) that you can do in EvE, except mining.
I think I'll never go back doing PvP, no matter how fun 1 vs 1 is. Some time ago I started disliking EvE's PvP because of ship balance. Ships are not balanced for 1 vs 1, usually you win because your ship is better vs the other ship. Your skills and tactics matter a little, sadly.
This balance leads you to do PvP with people. Doing PvP with people leads to ganking and other boring stuff.
I guess I'll stick up to missions. |
Michael Orlais
Cornucopia Ltd.
0
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Posted - 2012.09.02 21:01:00 -
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For as little as 200mil you can easily fit a fast clearing lvl 4 mission ship. Nobody said you have to use your 3 bil Paladin or whatever.
If you do missions in 0.5 you are getting the highest quality missions while still having your little safety net of CONCORD. So I see no reason why the game should not try to push you into 0.4 once in a while. It is an intentional move by CCP to make missions are run this way and I doubt they are going to change anything just because you are afraid to lose your 3 bil ship.
If it really bothers you that just much, there is a decline button which should not be a problem for anyone with a decent standing. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
42
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Posted - 2012.09.03 14:35:00 -
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When I used to mission run this used to gripe me so I was going to post in support of the OP.
Then OP said he wouldn't even mission run in a 100K ship because PVP MIGHT HAPPEN.
Seriously? If Low Sec offered me L4 mission income and I could run them in a 100K ship I'd do it all day, if I was blown up I'd be like "lol ***" and get a new ship.
What I'm trying to say is: Posting in a stealth whine about how bad I am at PvP thread |
Iria Ahrens
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
63
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Posted - 2012.09.03 21:25:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote:Roime wrote:Why not fly a cheaper ship into lowsec?
Just an idea. Bad idea. Even if my ship's price was 100 ISK I wouldn't fly into a lowsec. Becasue I fly in a PvE ship with a PvE char. In other words setup is not for PvP. Why would I want to get into PvP with PvE stuff? I do missions, I don't give a sh*t about PvP. As I said even if my ship worth 100 ISK I wouldn't go there because loosing it is a big waste of time: Flying for a new ship, getting new mods, fitting, flying back. This things kill a lot of your time. Also I hate giving people free stuff, because killing a PvE ship with PvP one is a piece of cake. No one gives me an extra candy for flying there.
Every ship in Eve is a pvp ship once it undocks. Whether a ship is better at fight or flight is another issue. "I was about to say GÇ£HereGÇÖs a RubikGÇÖs cube, go f%$^ yourself,GÇ¥ because thatGÇÖs what we do with EVE Online." EVE Lead Game Designer Kristoffer Touborg for PC Gamer |
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
123
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Posted - 2012.09.04 15:15:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote:Zhilia Mann wrote:Funky Lazers wrote:This doesn't solve the actual problem. It actually does. If you don't work for an agent anywhere near low sec, you won't get sent to low sec. And yes, that solves your problem. Forget about me. Why hisec agents give lowsec missions? Today I asked like 10-15 people who do missions, all of them said they decline lowsec missions. So, what's the point if people decline them?
Cos some people don't decline them, thus providing content for lo sec players
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Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
1140
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Posted - 2012.09.04 18:36:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Roime wrote:But not as much as running missions does. not everybody has access to better isk/hr than missioning. unless you mean station trading in which case i modify my statement to 'not everyone is resistant to brain-eating activities.'
Yes, everybody has same access to all areas of EVE, you are only limited by the choices you make. And the limitations are hardly ever permanent, so you can choose again.
I personally found trading infinitely more interesting and engaging than grinding the same missions over and over again. And I also like the fact that I haven't had to grind PVE for ISK since last December.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
316
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Posted - 2012.09.04 19:44:00 -
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Roime wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:Roime wrote:But not as much as running missions does. not everybody has access to better isk/hr than missioning. unless you mean station trading in which case i modify my statement to 'not everyone is resistant to brain-eating activities.' Yes, everybody has same access to all areas of EVE, you are only limited by the choices you make. And the limitations are hardly ever permanent, so you can choose again. I personally found trading infinitely more interesting and engaging than grinding the same missions over and over again. And I also like the fact that I haven't had to grind PVE for ISK since last December.
just because you can go anywhere does not mean you can do anything. it also does not mean that you are coming back rich or at all. if you find crunching numbers and fighting .01ISK wars more interesting than actually blowing things up, be my guest. but please don't assume that everyone does and don't make arrogant remarks about other people's playstyle.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance
857
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Posted - 2012.09.04 20:13:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote:Roime wrote:Why not fly a cheaper ship into lowsec?
Just an idea. Bad idea. Even if my ship's price was 100 ISK I wouldn't fly into a lowsec. Becasue I fly in a PvE ship with a PvE char. In other words setup is not for PvP. Why would I want to get into PvP with PvE stuff? I do missions, I don't give a sh*t about PvP. As I said even if my ship worth 100 ISK I wouldn't go there because loosing it is a big waste of time: Flying for a new ship, getting new mods, fitting, flying back. This things kill a lot of your time. Also I hate giving people free stuff, because killing a PvE ship with PvP one is a piece of cake. No one gives me an extra candy for flying there.
Do the mission in a PvP fit ship? You can run any mission in a passive tanked drake that's also usefull for pvp. The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Calfis
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
128
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Posted - 2012.09.04 20:28:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote:
I think I'll never go back doing PvP, no matter how fun 1 vs 1 is. Some time ago I started disliking EvE's PvP because of ship balance. Ships are not balanced for 1 vs 1, usually you win because your ship is better vs the other ship. Your skills and tactics matter a little, sadly.
This balance leads you to do PvP with people. Doing PvP with people leads to ganking and other boring stuff.
I guess I'll stick up to missions.
Your main must be some kind of pvp-god |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance
858
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Posted - 2012.09.04 21:06:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote:
I think I'll never go back doing PvP, no matter how fun 1 vs 1 is. Some time ago I started disliking EvE's PvP because of ship balance. Ships are not balanced for 1 vs 1, usually you win because your ship is better vs the other ship. Your skills and tactics matter a little, sadly.
This balance leads you to do PvP with people. Doing PvP with people leads to ganking and other boring stuff.
EVE is not a 1 vs 1 game. It's a conflict simulator.
Just like any simulator, it aims to reflect that which happens in real life. And "fairness" is not a characteristic of real life. If someone challenges you to a honor duel and follows through with all the rules, then i'll acuse you of living in a 18th century movie. The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Funky Lazers
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.09.04 22:39:00 -
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Calfis wrote:Funky Lazers wrote:
I think I'll never go back doing PvP, no matter how fun 1 vs 1 is. Some time ago I started disliking EvE's PvP because of ship balance. Ships are not balanced for 1 vs 1, usually you win because your ship is better vs the other ship. Your skills and tactics matter a little, sadly.
This balance leads you to do PvP with people. Doing PvP with people leads to ganking and other boring stuff.
I guess I'll stick up to missions.
Your main must be some kind of pvp-god
Ya, I ram people with my pod, to death. Shooting them is way too easy. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
1141
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Posted - 2012.09.05 06:20:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote: just because you can go anywhere does not mean you can do anything. it also does not mean that you are coming back rich or at all. if you find crunching numbers and fighting .01ISK wars more interesting than actually blowing things up, be my guest. but please don't assume that everyone does and don't make arrogant remarks about other people's playstyle.
If you can solo level 4s proficiently, you have character skills to do pretty much anything. And as soon as you realize that this is actually an MMO, where teamwork really pays off, you can do literally anything. If you are referring to some special limits, could you please specify?
Oh I do love blowing things up more than anything, but only things that are piloted by real humans who also want to blow me up. Killing NPCs does not compare with this at all, it's a monotonous, bot-like chore. I want to avoid monotonous, boring bot-like chores on my free time. Exposure to PVP makes repetitive PVE endurable, and especially doing it together with your space buddies.
Trading is interesting because of the marketing aspect. Anticipating demand, preparing for patch time changes, controlling markets etc. Fun is in planning and setting up your trade system, fun is in successful deals and making piles of ISK while at work and sleeping. I don't think anybody loves .01-ISKing or trades because that part is fun, but I can understand the spreadsheet side is rewarding to people who like numbers. Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Shaco LaRusko
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:21:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote:It bothers me a lot. I have ~3bil Marauders and other high-cost ships that I fly for missions. So basically why would I fly into some low-sec system? I mean it's very dumb to go into low-sec in a 3bil ship.
So every time I get a low-sec mission I decline it. Sometimes you get 2 in a row and then you have to move to another agent. Moreover when the other agent gives me 2 low-sec missions or faction ones I have no choice but to wait those 4 hrs for another try. Isn't that very frustrating and a waste of time? Each time I get that combo with my agents I log out, unless my corp has some pvp going on so I log on another char.
Shouldn't Hi-sec agents give you hi-sec only missions and low-sec give you only low-sec ones?
There are agents you can pick that will never send you to low sec. In general they wont send you more than 6 jumps and they will never send you to another region. I used to mission 1 jump from null sec and never got sent there because its another region
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
149
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Posted - 2012.09.06 14:54:00 -
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I really don't get what all the hassle is.
if you don't want to get storyline missions that take you into low sec, then run missions near a storyline line agent that is 5-6 jumps from low sec, or even deep inside high sec. There are a few systems with 0.5-0.6 sec status that are not low sec borders.
Personally I run lvl 4 missions in a system 2 jumps from low sec with a storyline agent in a system adjacent to low sec. Almost every storyline I get sends me into low sec. I always accept the mission, and have only failed 1 mission from getting caught by a gate camp. Low sec is easy to get in and out of safely if you are smart and know what ship to use and how to fit it. I find I get a better faction boost from these missions into low than I used to get sticking to high sec. |
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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
323
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Posted - 2012.09.06 16:07:00 -
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Roime wrote:If you can solo level 4s proficiently, you have character skills to do pretty much anything. And as soon as you realize that this is actually an MMO, where teamwork really pays off, you can do literally anything. If you are referring to some special limits, could you please specify?
just because eve is an mmo does not mean that you have to play WITH other players. folks like me are quite content to play AGAINST people or just playing alone together. other people might be restricted in other ways (like play time). in fact, i would argue that for the vast majority of the eve population, lvl4s in hisec are the overall beast means of income (assuming they have the SP and ship to fly them).
Quote: Oh I do love blowing things up more than anything, but only things that are piloted by real humans who also want to blow me up. Killing NPCs does not compare with this at all, it's a monotonous, bot-like chore. I want to avoid monotonous, boring bot-like chores on my free time. Exposure to PVP makes repetitive PVE endurable, and especially doing it together with your space buddies.
whether or not you enjoy blowing up other players is your business. just be aware that some people don't and therefore, lowsec, 0.0 and wspace are not appealing to them. if a player does not wish to wander out to 0.0, any ISK making opportunities there are not an option. i could probably make more RL money by becoming a male prostitute but i still prefer not to. am i hurting my $ per hour?
Quote: Trading is interesting because of the marketing aspect. Anticipating demand, preparing for patch time changes, controlling markets etc. Fun is in planning and setting up your trade system, fun is in successful deals and making piles of ISK while at work and sleeping. I don't think anybody loves .01-ISKing or trades because that part is fun, but I can understand the spreadsheet side is rewarding to people who like numbers.
again, be my guest but don't assume that other people are willing or able to endure what you think is fun.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
215
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Posted - 2012.09.06 16:44:00 -
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I fly my machariel into low sec all the time, scouted by a friend (wow, who could have FRIENDS in an mmo? preposterous) or on alt in a shuttle. I watch local and if I see combat probes I warp to a station, warp to a safe and cloak or if the system is next door to high sec, warp to that gate and jump. no bubbles in low sec means NO ONE can stop me without pointing me.
Or I decline the mission if the area is too hot or camped, or come back to it later. OR i don't mission near low sec to begin with, i just moved to an agent in an 0.6 system closer to a storyline agent that never send me to low sec because there is none close.
Other than the MWD and cloak, i don't "pvp fit" my mach, no bubbles means no one catches me unless I fall asleep at the keyboard or something (which I did once, woke up and my mach was still alive lol, I got lucky).
And yet the OP seems to be advocating developer action to solve a "problem" that is so easily avoidable it's silly. That's just crazy. |
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