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Funky Lazers Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2012.08.27 11:32:00 - [1] - Quote It bothers me a lot. I have ~3bil Marauders and other high-cost ships that I fly for missions. So basically why would I fly into some low-sec system? I mean it's very dumb to go into low-sec in a 3bil ship. So every time I get a low-sec mission I decline it. Sometimes you get 2 in a row and then you have to move to another agent. Moreover when the other agent gives me 2 low-sec missions or faction ones I have no choice but to wait those 4 hrs for another try. Isn't that very frustrating and a waste of time? Each time I get that combo with my agents I log out, unless my corp has some pvp going on so I log on another char. Shouldn't Hi-sec agents give you hi-sec only missions and low-sec give you only low-sec ones?
Tarn Kugisa Infinite Covenant Tribal Band 115	Posted - 2012.08.27 11:35:00 - [2] - Quote Don't do missions near Lowsec I Endorse this Product and/or Service Source Recorder-esque tool for EVE
Funky Lazers Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2012.08.27 11:57:00 - [3] - Quote This doesn't solve the actual problem.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 304	Posted - 2012.08.27 12:08:00 - [4] - Quote if you do not like to deal with annoying obstacles, you are playing the wrong game. that said, you can always get your faction standing above 5.0 and decline missions as much as you want. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Mocam EVE University Ivy League 169	Posted - 2012.08.27 12:23:00 - [5] - Quote Tarn Kugisa wrote: Don't do missions near Lowsec I'm not sure if it's still the case but around 2 years ago, Gallente agents often sent you as far as 7-12 jumps out - into lowsec systems -- especially for storyline missions. It infuriated me so much because storyline missions are what grant faction standing gains so I went out and started working for other factions and used the side-gains to raise up my standings. Tutorials for Minmatar, bunch of SOE missions, etc. It was kind of funny -- I'd check the map, find "12 ships, 5 pod kills in the last hour" on the map stats for the path I'd have to fly to take that mission. /rude - dump and keep going. Like 12 storyline missions with that kind of crap going on from the Gallente for each one of them... But that was BEFORE the changes over to "security" from the old types of missions that mixed stuff in. One lowsec run wanted me to take a huge amount of garbage (literally garbage) to a lowsec station 5 jumps in. Sure... let me go ahead and run 2 indy loads of garbage along that path! ... hehe
Matriarch Prime Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2012.08.27 12:39:00 - [6] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: if you do not like to deal with annoying obstacles, you are playing the wrong game. that said, you can always get your faction standing above 5.0 and decline missions as much as you want. A bit off-topic, but what does having faction standing above 5.0 change? I thought if you declined more than one mission per agent per 4 hours you would lose standing... Did they change something else when they removed agent quality?
Roime Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance 1103	Posted - 2012.08.27 13:24:00 - [7] - Quote Why not fly a cheaper ship into lowsec? Just an idea. Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman
stoicfaux 1507	Posted - 2012.08.27 13:28:00 - [8] - Quote Matriarch Prime wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: if you do not like to deal with annoying obstacles, you are playing the wrong game. that said, you can always get your faction standing above 5.0 and decline missions as much as you want. A bit off-topic, but what does having faction standing above 5.0 change? I thought if you declined more than one mission per agent per 4 hours you would lose standing... Did they change something else when they removed agent quality? In order to use an agent you need 5.0 standings with the Corporation or the Corporation's Faction and your corporation standing needs to be -2.0 or higher. When you decline a mission more than once every four hours, your corporation standing takes a large hit, however, your Faction standing is barely touched. This allows you to decline multiple missions in a row without worrying about losing access to your agent. (However, don't let your corporation standings drop below -2.0 or you will lose access to the agent.) You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
stoicfaux 1507	Posted - 2012.08.27 13:35:00 - [9] - Quote Roime wrote: Why not fly a cheaper ship into lowsec? Just an idea. Why gimp your isk/time, stress levels, and risk repetitive stress injury (i.e. mashing the d-scan button) by flying in lowsec? I know some people claim to enjoy low-sec missioning and that they make a mint doing it, however, I just can't see the appeal nor how the rewards are high-enough to justify that claim, unless you and your friends manage to lock down a chunk of low-sec You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
Funky Lazers Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2012.08.27 13:41:00 - [10] - Quote Roime wrote: Why not fly a cheaper ship into lowsec? Just an idea. Bad idea. Even if my ship's price was 100 ISK I wouldn't fly into a lowsec. Becasue I fly in a PvE ship with a PvE char. In other words setup is not for PvP. Why would I want to get into PvP with PvE stuff? I do missions, I don't give a sh*t about PvP. As I said even if my ship worth 100 ISK I wouldn't go there because loosing it is a big waste of time: Flying for a new ship, getting new mods, fitting, flying back. This things kill a lot of your time. Also I hate giving people free stuff, because killing a PvE ship with PvP one is a piece of cake. No one gives me an extra candy for flying there.
Astald Ohtar L'AGENCE Yulai Federation 5	Posted - 2012.08.27 13:45:00 - [11] - Quote Dude you are wasting our time . Find a better agent deep in a sea of high sec . If you still like that extra reward of that 0.5 agent near low sec DEAL WITH IT ./thread
Roime Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance 1103	Posted - 2012.08.27 14:03:00 - [12] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: Roime wrote: Why not fly a cheaper ship into lowsec? Just an idea. Why gimp your isk/time, stress levels, and risk repetitive stress injury (i.e. mashing the d-scan button) by flying in lowsec? I know some people claim to enjoy low-sec missioning and that they make a mint doing it, however, I just can't see the appeal nor how the rewards are high-enough to justify that claim, unless you and your friends manage to lock down a chunk of low-sec What do you need isk for, if not for flying in low/null/whs? PVE under PVP exposure combines the best of both worlds! PVE without any possibility of losing a ship is just way too boring for me to endure, if that was only thing EVE offered I'd unsub. Quote: Bad idea. Even if my ship's price was 100 ISK I wouldn't fly into a lowsec. Becasue I fly in a PvE ship with a PvE char. In other words setup is not for PvP. Why would I want to get into PvP with PvE stuff? I do missions, I don't give a sht about PvP. As I said even if my ship worth 100 ISK I wouldn't go there because loosing it is a big waste of time: Flying for a new ship, getting new mods, fitting, flying back. This things kill a lot of your time. Also I hate giving people free stuff, because killing a PvE ship with PvP one is a piece of cake. No one gives me an extra candy for flying there. Why don't you fit it for PVP then? I mean, that's like the sensible thing to do if you expect pew to happen. Which is often very easy to avoid, but I sense that nothing outside your grind really matters to you. It's all about ISK/hr, no fun should be be introduced into your EVE :( Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman*
Funky Lazers Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2012.08.27 14:27:00 - [13] - Quote Roime wrote: Why don't you fit it for PVP then? I mean, that's like the sensible thing to do if you expect pew to happen. Why would I want to fit a PvP ship and go there when I want to do missions aka carebearing? PvP in EvE is no longer fun and intereting. It's all about ganking, gate camping and waiting 132490 hours to have an actual engagement.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 305	Posted - 2012.08.27 14:28:00 - [14] - Quote Roime wrote: It's all about ISK/hr, no fun should be be introduced into your EVE :( a man once told me that some people think it's fun to optimize isk/hour. then he touched my weewee. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Lors Dornick Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet 184	Posted - 2012.08.27 15:00:00 - [15] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: Shouldn't Hi-sec agents give you hi-sec only missions and low-sec give you only low-sec ones? Tarn Kugisa wrote: Don't do missions near Lowsec If I remember correctly then the distance to the 'target' system depends on your effective standings and on the actual mission specifics. Like in current system or within 2 jumps, within constellation or in the next constellation. All without any regard to the security status of the target system or any system in between. With the removal of agent quality there's no longer any reason to use an agent within 2 jumps of lowsec system within the same constellation. Besides, why stop after trying agent #2? With the agent finder you get a nice list of available agents sorted by distance so if your current agent give you a bad mission, take the next one.
Emperor Salazar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 648	Posted - 2012.08.27 15:08:00 - [16] - Quote No one is forcing you to: 1. Do missions near low sec. 2. Use a 3bn isk ship. Actually, now that I think about it, is this the character you use for missioning? I'm sure we could arrange to have someone come show you why using a 3bn isk ship for missions even in high sec is a bad idea.
Pinstar Colton Sweet Asteroid Acres 243	Posted - 2012.08.27 15:40:00 - [17] - Quote Wandering into low sec is not the worst thing in the world. Not EVERY high/low border system is a perma-camped instalocking disco meatgrinder. There are far too many low sec systems and not nearly enough pirates to camp them. By using agents off the beaten path, those forrays into low sec won't be too bad. Even better: Find an agent IN low sec. You get the same dangers of entering low sec (arguably less since agents deep in low might not send you to a low/high border system) but you get higher isk/LP rewards due to your agent being in a low sec system. In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.
Roime Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance 1103	Posted - 2012.08.27 15:56:00 - [18] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: Roime wrote: Why don't you fit it for PVP then? I mean, that's like the sensible thing to do if you expect pew to happen. Why would I want to fit a PvP ship and go there when I want to do missions aka carebearing? PvP in EvE is no longer fun and intereting. It's all about ganking, gate camping and waiting 132490 hours to have an actual engagement. Because you can omnitank your ship and fit a point on it. And just no, pvp certainly isn't all about that. For what it's worth, and in this thread probably not much. @ Daniel, yeah, but why do hisec missions then? Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 305	Posted - 2012.08.27 16:44:00 - [19] - Quote Roime wrote: @ Daniel, yeah, but why do hisec missions then? because losing ships hurts your isk/hour. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Roime Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance 1103	Posted - 2012.08.27 17:47:00 - [20] - Quote But not as much as running missions does. Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 624	Posted - 2012.08.27 17:53:00 - [21] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: This doesn't solve the actual problem. It actually does. If you don't work for an agent anywhere near low sec, you won't get sent to low sec. And yes, that solves your problem. But seriously. Low sec isn't that scary.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 305	Posted - 2012.08.27 18:06:00 - [22] - Quote Roime wrote: But not as much as running missions does. not everybody has access to better isk/hr than missioning. unless you mean station trading in which case i modify my statement to 'not everyone is resistant to brain-eating activities.' "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Funky Lazers Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2012.08.27 19:10:00 - [23] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: Funky Lazers wrote: This doesn't solve the actual problem. It actually does. If you don't work for an agent anywhere near low sec, you won't get sent to low sec. And yes, that solves your problem. Forget about me. Why hisec agents give lowsec missions? Today I asked like 10-15 people who do missions, all of them said they decline lowsec missions. So, what's the point if people decline them? Zhilia Mann wrote: But seriously. Low sec isn't that scary. I did all kinds of PvP for past 6 years, it bores me to hell now. I know exactly what can happend in lowsec, so no thanks, I wouldn't waste my time there.
Zycorax II White Noise Combine 4	Posted - 2012.08.28 06:31:00 - [24] - Quote iirc security agents will send you to a system within the same constellation, so if there's a low sec system within said constellation, there is a chance that you will be sent there.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings 313	Posted - 2012.08.28 06:49:00 - [25] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: Why hisec agents give lowsec missions? Today I asked like 10-15 people who do missions, all of them said they decline lowsec missions. So, what's the point if people decline them? The easiest answer? Because it is programmed that way. Agents are programmed in such a way that if you are near a lowsec area you may get a mission there. Why doesn't CCP change it? I would venture to guess that since they have put in a vast number of agents, a player has the choice of picking an agent that will be in proximity to lowsec OR an agent completely safe from giving out a lowsec mission. Im sure if they wanted to they could reprogram the agents to never give out lowsec missions. But I think most players would agree this would be an extreme low priority given all of the other issues present in the game.
Leor Duku Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.08.28 11:29:00 - [26] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: Zhilia Mann wrote: Funky Lazers wrote: This doesn't solve the actual problem. It actually does. If you don't work for an agent anywhere near low sec, you won't get sent to low sec. And yes, that solves your problem. Forget about me. Why hisec agents give lowsec missions? Today I asked like 10-15 people who do missions, all of them said they decline lowsec missions. So, what's the point if people decline them? Zhilia Mann wrote: But seriously. Low sec isn't that scary. I did all kinds of PvP for past 6 years, it bores me to hell now. I know exactly what can happend in lowsec, so no thanks, I wouldn't waste my time there. What you'll find is that I don't decline them, and I like the risk sometimes of going to low-sec to do a mission. Also on a similar note I sometimes decline the Faction Kill missions because I don't want to take the faction standing hit. Please CCP take these missions away!!! What's the point if people decline them?
Matriarch Prime Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2012.08.28 16:49:00 - [27] - Quote Agents will send you to a pool of nearby system to maintain a balance load on the server. If you find yourself having to run missions often several systems away, and even into low sec, then you are likely in a high load area. Find some place else that is cozy enough for you that meets your required tastes. No one is forcing you to run missions at your current location other than yourself.
Veryez Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 30	Posted - 2012.08.28 21:31:00 - [28] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: It bothers me a lot. I have ~3bil Marauders and other high-cost ships that I fly for missions. So basically why would I fly into some low-sec system? I mean it's very dumb to go into low-sec in a 3bil ship. So every time I get a low-sec mission I decline it. Sometimes you get 2 in a row and then you have to move to another agent. Moreover when the other agent gives me 2 low-sec missions or faction ones I have no choice but to wait those 4 hrs for another try. Isn't that very frustrating and a waste of time? Each time I get that combo with my agents I log out, unless my corp has some pvp going on so I log on another char. Shouldn't Hi-sec agents give you hi-sec only missions and low-sec give you only low-sec ones? So many unhelpful answers here, let me try to help you. 1) It is very rare for an agent to give you kill missions outside the constellation you are in. Find an agent in a constellation without losec. 2) Second find a system that is within a jump or two of other lvl 4 agents, preferably agents of different factions. The 4 hour wait for non-faction missions becomes an non-issue. I completely agree flying a PVE setup ship into losec is (in general) not a very smart idea. I also have a real problem with the fact that so many lvl 5 missions are faction missions. It ruins the ability to trade through empire, because the teamwork required for lvl 5 missions makes them far more interesting. If you want to kill other factions and/or collect tags, that should be done through Faction warfare, non-FW agents should stick to pirates, this would be a nice boost to both groups. CCP had a real chance to boost FW without nerfing missions, but as usual chose the pedantic solution. Missions are a means to an end, whether it's to help you get a plex, or fund other activities. Implementing Soundwave's idea to make them more of a grind seems foolish, but what do you expect from a person who doesn't spend much time in empire.
Nuela Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance 101	Posted - 2012.08.29 17:56:00 - [29] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: Roime wrote: Why don't you fit it for PVP then? I mean, that's like the sensible thing to do if you expect pew to happen. PvP in EvE is no longer fun and intereting. It's all about ganking, gate camping and waiting 132490 hours to have an actual engagement. QFT...except for the 'no longer'. Eve is a good game. I play it often. However, it is not a good PvP game in the way I play PvP. I get my PvP fix elsewhere, mainly WWIIOnline and Blood Bowl. Eve IS a good PvP game for some folks...but Eve PvP is not what many people think of as PvP. Eve PvP is about using your skills to find a group of like minded individuals to go out and find fights that you will not lose at..and that involves partially what Funky has said above. In Eve, fights are almost always won before the fight starts. I have found I don't like that kind of PvP. I like PvP where the targets/action are numerous and the playing field is fair so that tactics/strategy on the field of matter is what mainly decides the winner of the contest. Eve is not that. Eve PvP is boring. Why do I play Eve then? The economy. I am a sucker for economic games and there is no other comparable to Eve. However, the reason Eve does have an economy is because of the PvP I don't like...I just wish Eve had more PvP where what happens on the field matters more than the before the fight.
Exploited Engineer Creatively Applied Violence Inc. 80	Posted - 2012.08.29 18:09:00 - [30] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: This doesn't solve the actual problem. Why do you think agents in 0.5 sec systems give better rewards than those in 1.0 sec systems? It usually isn't the slightly longer CONCORD reaction time ...
Funky Lazers Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2012.08.29 21:09:00 - [31] - Quote Exploited Engineer wrote: Funky Lazers wrote: This doesn't solve the actual problem. Why do you think agents in 0.5 sec systems give better rewards than those in 1.0 sec systems? It usually isn't the slightly longer CONCORD reaction time ... I don't care about rewards. I don't care about doing missions in 0.5 or in 1.0. I don't care about ISK/Hour, I already have billions I have no idea how to spend. No, you can't have them. All I care is about having fun. I like those 2 systems I do missions in. I really like nebulae there and all that visual stuff. Thos two systems are 0.7 and 0.9, and the closest lowsec in one is in 2 jumps and the other is in 3. For some unknown reason agents give me A LOT of lowsec missions. As for PvP, I don't care about it because it's about numbers and ganking, instead of real skills and tactics. Oh and tons of waiting, as I said before. Doing missions is much better/more fun because I can get into action literally 50 times faster than waiting on someone to gank or die from. So this useless system of getting lowsec missions by a hisec agent ruins everything and not logical. Day ago I asked old corp members that do PvE, about declining lowsec and faction missions, the answer was the only one: they decline them. So what's the point of that system?! Reciving lowsec mission doesn't increase the reward of it because the agent who gives it is located in hisec.
Sergeant Nuisance Aliastra Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.08.30 00:15:00 - [32] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: This doesn't solve the actual problem. if you mission near a low sec system you will end up in low sec sooner or later.
Sergeant Nuisance Aliastra Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.08.30 00:16:00 - [33] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: Exploited Engineer wrote: Funky Lazers wrote: This doesn't solve the actual problem. Why do you think agents in 0.5 sec systems give better rewards than those in 1.0 sec systems? It usually isn't the slightly longer CONCORD reaction time ... I don't care about rewards. I don't care about doing missions in 0.5 or in 1.0. I don't care about ISK/Hour, I already have billions I have no idea how to spend. No, you can't have them. All I care is about having fun. I like those 2 systems I do missions in. I really like nebulae there and all that visual stuff. Those two systems are 0.7 and 0.9, and the closest lowsec in one is in 2 jumps and the other is in 3. For some unknown reason agents give me A LOT of lowsec missions. As for PvP, I don't care about it because it's about numbers and ganking, instead of real skills and tactics. Oh and tons of waiting, as I said before. Doing missions is much better/more fun because I can get into action literally 50 times faster than waiting on someone to gank or die from. So this useless system of getting lowsec missions by a hisec agent ruins everything and not logical. Day ago I asked old corp members that do PvE, about declining lowsec and faction missions, the answer was the only one: they decline them. So what's the point of that system?! Reciving lowsec mission doesn't increase the reward of it because the agent who gives it is located in hisec. just move regions!! THE END
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings 315	Posted - 2012.08.30 01:08:00 - [34] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: I don't care about rewards. I don't care about doing missions in 0.5 or in 1.0. I don't care about ISK/Hour, I already have billions I have no idea how to spend. No, you can't have them. Then you really have no excuse not to get off your lazy @$$ and find a better mission area. Funky Lazers wrote: All I care is about having fun. I like those 2 systems I do missions in. I really like nebulae there and all that visual stuff. Those two systems are 0.7 and 0.9, and the closest lowsec in one is in 2 jumps and the other is in 3. For some unknown reason agents give me A LOT of lowsec missions. There are plenty of areas with great views. Many with the same nebulae you already enjoy. I had a place when I used to run missions with 2 lvl 4 agents in the same station. Worked great.
Yatama Kautsuo Tencus 41	Posted - 2012.09.02 11:26:00 - [35] - Quote protip: you can even decline missions within those four hours. you only lose about 0.02% of faction standing declining those (quitting is another story...) i have 9.2 faction standing and even i can decline 3 missions until it goes down 0.1... the reason we all land at these agents is this: mostly they are 0.5 systems and simply pay out the most :P
Martin0 Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 51	Posted - 2012.09.02 11:44:00 - [36] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: Exploited Engineer wrote: [quote=Funky Lazers]This doesn't solve the actual problem. I don't care about rewards. I don't care about doing missions in 0.5 or in 1.0. I don't care about ISK/Hour, I already have billions I have no idea how to spend. No, you can't have them. If you don't know how to spend your billions send some to me It's true that most of eve pvp is ganking, but have you ever tryed to fight in militia plexes? Lots of 1vs1 and gf to be had.
Funky Lazers Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2012.09.02 20:12:00 - [37] - Quote Martin0 wrote: Funky Lazers wrote: Exploited Engineer wrote: [quote=Funky Lazers]This doesn't solve the actual problem. I don't care about rewards. I don't care about doing missions in 0.5 or in 1.0. I don't care about ISK/Hour, I already have billions I have no idea how to spend. No, you can't have them. It's true that most of eve pvp is ganking, but have you ever tryed to fight in militia plexes? Lots of 1vs1 and gf to be had. For past 6 years I tried/did almost everything (PvP mostly) that you can do in EvE, except mining. I think I'll never go back doing PvP, no matter how fun 1 vs 1 is. Some time ago I started disliking EvE's PvP because of ship balance. Ships are not balanced for 1 vs 1, usually you win because your ship is better vs the other ship. Your skills and tactics matter a little, sadly. This balance leads you to do PvP with people. Doing PvP with people leads to ganking and other boring stuff. I guess I'll stick up to missions.
Michael Orlais Cornucopia Ltd. 0	Posted - 2012.09.02 21:01:00 - [38] - Quote For as little as 200mil you can easily fit a fast clearing lvl 4 mission ship. Nobody said you have to use your 3 bil Paladin or whatever. If you do missions in 0.5 you are getting the highest quality missions while still having your little safety net of CONCORD. So I see no reason why the game should not try to push you into 0.4 once in a while. It is an intentional move by CCP to make missions are run this way and I doubt they are going to change anything just because you are afraid to lose your 3 bil ship. If it really bothers you that just much, there is a decline button which should not be a problem for anyone with a decent standing.
Inquisitor Kitchner Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes 42	Posted - 2012.09.03 14:35:00 - [39] - Quote When I used to mission run this used to gripe me so I was going to post in support of the OP. Then OP said he wouldn't even mission run in a 100K ship because PVP MIGHT HAPPEN. Seriously? If Low Sec offered me L4 mission income and I could run them in a 100K ship I'd do it all day, if I was blown up I'd be like "lol ***" and get a new ship. What I'm trying to say is: Posting in a stealth whine about how bad I am at PvP thread
Iria Ahrens Ministry of War Amarr Empire 63	Posted - 2012.09.03 21:25:00 - [40] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: Roime wrote: Why not fly a cheaper ship into lowsec? Just an idea. Bad idea. Even if my ship's price was 100 ISK I wouldn't fly into a lowsec. Becasue I fly in a PvE ship with a PvE char. In other words setup is not for PvP. Why would I want to get into PvP with PvE stuff? I do missions, I don't give a sh*t about PvP. As I said even if my ship worth 100 ISK I wouldn't go there because loosing it is a big waste of time: Flying for a new ship, getting new mods, fitting, flying back. This things kill a lot of your time. Also I hate giving people free stuff, because killing a PvE ship with PvP one is a piece of cake. No one gives me an extra candy for flying there. Every ship in Eve is a pvp ship once it undocks. Whether a ship is better at fight or flight is another issue. "I was about to say GÇ£HereGÇÖs a RubikGÇÖs cube, go f%$^ yourself,GÇ¥ because thatGÇÖs what we do with EVE Online." EVE Lead Game Designer Kristoffer Touborg for PC Gamer
Doddy Excidium. Executive Outcomes 123	Posted - 2012.09.04 15:15:00 - [41] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: Zhilia Mann wrote: Funky Lazers wrote: This doesn't solve the actual problem. It actually does. If you don't work for an agent anywhere near low sec, you won't get sent to low sec. And yes, that solves your problem. Forget about me. Why hisec agents give lowsec missions? Today I asked like 10-15 people who do missions, all of them said they decline lowsec missions. So, what's the point if people decline them? Cos some people don't decline them, thus providing content for lo sec players
Roime Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance 1140	Posted - 2012.09.04 18:36:00 - [42] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: Roime wrote: But not as much as running missions does. not everybody has access to better isk/hr than missioning. unless you mean station trading in which case i modify my statement to 'not everyone is resistant to brain-eating activities.' Yes, everybody has same access to all areas of EVE, you are only limited by the choices you make. And the limitations are hardly ever permanent, so you can choose again. I personally found trading infinitely more interesting and engaging than grinding the same missions over and over again. And I also like the fact that I haven't had to grind PVE for ISK since last December. Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 316	Posted - 2012.09.04 19:44:00 - [43] - Quote Roime wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: Roime wrote: But not as much as running missions does. not everybody has access to better isk/hr than missioning. unless you mean station trading in which case i modify my statement to 'not everyone is resistant to brain-eating activities.' Yes, everybody has same access to all areas of EVE, you are only limited by the choices you make. And the limitations are hardly ever permanent, so you can choose again. I personally found trading infinitely more interesting and engaging than grinding the same missions over and over again. And I also like the fact that I haven't had to grind PVE for ISK since last December. just because you can go anywhere does not mean you can do anything. it also does not mean that you are coming back rich or at all. if you find crunching numbers and fighting .01ISK wars more interesting than actually blowing things up, be my guest. but please don't assume that everyone does and don't make arrogant remarks about other people's playstyle. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Renan Ruivo Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance 857	Posted - 2012.09.04 20:13:00 - [44] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: Roime wrote: Why not fly a cheaper ship into lowsec? Just an idea. Bad idea. Even if my ship's price was 100 ISK I wouldn't fly into a lowsec. Becasue I fly in a PvE ship with a PvE char. In other words setup is not for PvP. Why would I want to get into PvP with PvE stuff? I do missions, I don't give a sht about PvP. As I said even if my ship worth 100 ISK I wouldn't go there because loosing it is a big waste of time: Flying for a new ship, getting new mods, fitting, flying back. This things kill a lot of your time. Also I hate giving people free stuff, because killing a PvE ship with PvP one is a piece of cake. No one gives me an extra candy for flying there. Do the mission in a PvP fit ship? You can run any mission in a passive tanked drake that's also usefull for pvp. The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.*
Calfis The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities 128	Posted - 2012.09.04 20:28:00 - [45] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: I think I'll never go back doing PvP, no matter how fun 1 vs 1 is. Some time ago I started disliking EvE's PvP because of ship balance. Ships are not balanced for 1 vs 1, usually you win because your ship is better vs the other ship. Your skills and tactics matter a little, sadly. This balance leads you to do PvP with people. Doing PvP with people leads to ganking and other boring stuff. I guess I'll stick up to missions. Your main must be some kind of pvp-god
Renan Ruivo Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance 858	Posted - 2012.09.04 21:06:00 - [46] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: I think I'll never go back doing PvP, no matter how fun 1 vs 1 is. Some time ago I started disliking EvE's PvP because of ship balance. Ships are not balanced for 1 vs 1, usually you win because your ship is better vs the other ship. Your skills and tactics matter a little, sadly. This balance leads you to do PvP with people. Doing PvP with people leads to ganking and other boring stuff. EVE is not a 1 vs 1 game. It's a conflict simulator. Just like any simulator, it aims to reflect that which happens in real life. And "fairness" is not a characteristic of real life. If someone challenges you to a honor duel and follows through with all the rules, then i'll acuse you of living in a 18th century movie. The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Funky Lazers Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2012.09.04 22:39:00 - [47] - Quote Calfis wrote: Funky Lazers wrote: I think I'll never go back doing PvP, no matter how fun 1 vs 1 is. Some time ago I started disliking EvE's PvP because of ship balance. Ships are not balanced for 1 vs 1, usually you win because your ship is better vs the other ship. Your skills and tactics matter a little, sadly. This balance leads you to do PvP with people. Doing PvP with people leads to ganking and other boring stuff. I guess I'll stick up to missions. Your main must be some kind of pvp-god Ya, I ram people with my pod, to death. Shooting them is way too easy.
Roime Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance 1141	Posted - 2012.09.05 06:20:00 - [48] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: just because you can go anywhere does not mean you can do anything. it also does not mean that you are coming back rich or at all. if you find crunching numbers and fighting .01ISK wars more interesting than actually blowing things up, be my guest. but please don't assume that everyone does and don't make arrogant remarks about other people's playstyle. If you can solo level 4s proficiently, you have character skills to do pretty much anything. And as soon as you realize that this is actually an MMO, where teamwork really pays off, you can do literally anything. If you are referring to some special limits, could you please specify? Oh I do love blowing things up more than anything, but only things that are piloted by real humans who also want to blow me up. Killing NPCs does not compare with this at all, it's a monotonous, bot-like chore. I want to avoid monotonous, boring bot-like chores on my free time. Exposure to PVP makes repetitive PVE endurable, and especially doing it together with your space buddies. Trading is interesting because of the marketing aspect. Anticipating demand, preparing for patch time changes, controlling markets etc. Fun is in planning and setting up your trade system, fun is in successful deals and making piles of ISK while at work and sleeping. I don't think anybody loves .01-ISKing or trades because that part is fun, but I can understand the spreadsheet side is rewarding to people who like numbers. Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman
Shaco LaRusko Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.09.05 14:21:00 - [49] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: It bothers me a lot. I have ~3bil Marauders and other high-cost ships that I fly for missions. So basically why would I fly into some low-sec system? I mean it's very dumb to go into low-sec in a 3bil ship. So every time I get a low-sec mission I decline it. Sometimes you get 2 in a row and then you have to move to another agent. Moreover when the other agent gives me 2 low-sec missions or faction ones I have no choice but to wait those 4 hrs for another try. Isn't that very frustrating and a waste of time? Each time I get that combo with my agents I log out, unless my corp has some pvp going on so I log on another char. Shouldn't Hi-sec agents give you hi-sec only missions and low-sec give you only low-sec ones? There are agents you can pick that will never send you to low sec. In general they wont send you more than 6 jumps and they will never send you to another region. I used to mission 1 jump from null sec and never got sent there because its another region
Bugsy VanHalen Society of lost Souls 149	Posted - 2012.09.06 14:54:00 - [50] - Quote I really don't get what all the hassle is. if you don't want to get storyline missions that take you into low sec, then run missions near a storyline line agent that is 5-6 jumps from low sec, or even deep inside high sec. There are a few systems with 0.5-0.6 sec status that are not low sec borders. Personally I run lvl 4 missions in a system 2 jumps from low sec with a storyline agent in a system adjacent to low sec. Almost every storyline I get sends me into low sec. I always accept the mission, and have only failed 1 mission from getting caught by a gate camp. Low sec is easy to get in and out of safely if you are smart and know what ship to use and how to fit it. I find I get a better faction boost from these missions into low than I used to get sticking to high sec.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 323	Posted - 2012.09.06 16:07:00 - [51] - Quote Roime wrote: If you can solo level 4s proficiently, you have character skills to do pretty much anything. And as soon as you realize that this is actually an MMO, where teamwork really pays off, you can do literally anything. If you are referring to some special limits, could you please specify? just because eve is an mmo does not mean that you have to play WITH other players. folks like me are quite content to play AGAINST people or just playing alone together. other people might be restricted in other ways (like play time). in fact, i would argue that for the vast majority of the eve population, lvl4s in hisec are the overall beast means of income (assuming they have the SP and ship to fly them). Quote: Oh I do love blowing things up more than anything, but only things that are piloted by real humans who also want to blow me up. Killing NPCs does not compare with this at all, it's a monotonous, bot-like chore. I want to avoid monotonous, boring bot-like chores on my free time. Exposure to PVP makes repetitive PVE endurable, and especially doing it together with your space buddies. whether or not you enjoy blowing up other players is your business. just be aware that some people don't and therefore, lowsec, 0.0 and wspace are not appealing to them. if a player does not wish to wander out to 0.0, any ISK making opportunities there are not an option. i could probably make more RL money by becoming a male prostitute but i still prefer not to. am i hurting my $ per hour? Quote: Trading is interesting because of the marketing aspect. Anticipating demand, preparing for patch time changes, controlling markets etc. Fun is in planning and setting up your trade system, fun is in successful deals and making piles of ISK while at work and sleeping. I don't think anybody loves .01-ISKing or trades because that part is fun, but I can understand the spreadsheet side is rewarding to people who like numbers. again, be my guest but don't assume that other people are willing or able to endure what you think is fun. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 215	Posted - 2012.09.06 16:44:00 - [52] - Quote I fly my machariel into low sec all the time, scouted by a friend (wow, who could have FRIENDS in an mmo? preposterous) or on alt in a shuttle. I watch local and if I see combat probes I warp to a station, warp to a safe and cloak or if the system is next door to high sec, warp to that gate and jump. no bubbles in low sec means NO ONE can stop me without pointing me. Or I decline the mission if the area is too hot or camped, or come back to it later. OR i don't mission near low sec to begin with, i just moved to an agent in an 0.6 system closer to a storyline agent that never send me to low sec because there is none close. Other than the MWD and cloak, i don't "pvp fit" my mach, no bubbles means no one catches me unless I fall asleep at the keyboard or something (which I did once, woke up and my mach was still alive lol, I got lucky). And yet the OP seems to be advocating developer action to solve a "problem" that is so easily avoidable it's silly. That's just crazy.

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