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Funky Lazers Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2012.08.27 11:32:00 - [1] - Quote It bothers me a lot. I have ~3bil Marauders and other high-cost ships that I fly for missions. So basically why would I fly into some low-sec system? I mean it's very dumb to go into low-sec in a 3bil ship. So every time I get a low-sec mission I decline it. Sometimes you get 2 in a row and then you have to move to another agent. Moreover when the other agent gives me 2 low-sec missions or faction ones I have no choice but to wait those 4 hrs for another try. Isn't that very frustrating and a waste of time? Each time I get that combo with my agents I log out, unless my corp has some pvp going on so I log on another char. Shouldn't Hi-sec agents give you hi-sec only missions and low-sec give you only low-sec ones?
Tarn Kugisa Infinite Covenant Tribal Band 115	Posted - 2012.08.27 11:35:00 - [2] - Quote Don't do missions near Lowsec I Endorse this Product and/or Service Source Recorder-esque tool for EVE
Funky Lazers Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2012.08.27 11:57:00 - [3] - Quote This doesn't solve the actual problem.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 304	Posted - 2012.08.27 12:08:00 - [4] - Quote if you do not like to deal with annoying obstacles, you are playing the wrong game. that said, you can always get your faction standing above 5.0 and decline missions as much as you want. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Mocam EVE University Ivy League 169	Posted - 2012.08.27 12:23:00 - [5] - Quote Tarn Kugisa wrote: Don't do missions near Lowsec I'm not sure if it's still the case but around 2 years ago, Gallente agents often sent you as far as 7-12 jumps out - into lowsec systems -- especially for storyline missions. It infuriated me so much because storyline missions are what grant faction standing gains so I went out and started working for other factions and used the side-gains to raise up my standings. Tutorials for Minmatar, bunch of SOE missions, etc. It was kind of funny -- I'd check the map, find "12 ships, 5 pod kills in the last hour" on the map stats for the path I'd have to fly to take that mission. /rude - dump and keep going. Like 12 storyline missions with that kind of crap going on from the Gallente for each one of them... But that was BEFORE the changes over to "security" from the old types of missions that mixed stuff in. One lowsec run wanted me to take a huge amount of garbage (literally garbage) to a lowsec station 5 jumps in. Sure... let me go ahead and run 2 indy loads of garbage along that path! ... hehe
Matriarch Prime Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2012.08.27 12:39:00 - [6] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: if you do not like to deal with annoying obstacles, you are playing the wrong game. that said, you can always get your faction standing above 5.0 and decline missions as much as you want. A bit off-topic, but what does having faction standing above 5.0 change? I thought if you declined more than one mission per agent per 4 hours you would lose standing... Did they change something else when they removed agent quality?
Roime Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance 1103	Posted - 2012.08.27 13:24:00 - [7] - Quote Why not fly a cheaper ship into lowsec? Just an idea. Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman
stoicfaux 1507	Posted - 2012.08.27 13:28:00 - [8] - Quote Matriarch Prime wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: if you do not like to deal with annoying obstacles, you are playing the wrong game. that said, you can always get your faction standing above 5.0 and decline missions as much as you want. A bit off-topic, but what does having faction standing above 5.0 change? I thought if you declined more than one mission per agent per 4 hours you would lose standing... Did they change something else when they removed agent quality? In order to use an agent you need 5.0 standings with the Corporation or the Corporation's Faction and your corporation standing needs to be -2.0 or higher. When you decline a mission more than once every four hours, your corporation standing takes a large hit, however, your Faction standing is barely touched. This allows you to decline multiple missions in a row without worrying about losing access to your agent. (However, don't let your corporation standings drop below -2.0 or you will lose access to the agent.) You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
stoicfaux 1507	Posted - 2012.08.27 13:35:00 - [9] - Quote Roime wrote: Why not fly a cheaper ship into lowsec? Just an idea. Why gimp your isk/time, stress levels, and risk repetitive stress injury (i.e. mashing the d-scan button) by flying in lowsec? I know some people claim to enjoy low-sec missioning and that they make a mint doing it, however, I just can't see the appeal nor how the rewards are high-enough to justify that claim, unless you and your friends manage to lock down a chunk of low-sec You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
Funky Lazers Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2012.08.27 13:41:00 - [10] - Quote Roime wrote: Why not fly a cheaper ship into lowsec? Just an idea. Bad idea. Even if my ship's price was 100 ISK I wouldn't fly into a lowsec. Becasue I fly in a PvE ship with a PvE char. In other words setup is not for PvP. Why would I want to get into PvP with PvE stuff? I do missions, I don't give a sh*t about PvP. As I said even if my ship worth 100 ISK I wouldn't go there because loosing it is a big waste of time: Flying for a new ship, getting new mods, fitting, flying back. This things kill a lot of your time. Also I hate giving people free stuff, because killing a PvE ship with PvP one is a piece of cake. No one gives me an extra candy for flying there.
Astald Ohtar L'AGENCE Yulai Federation 5	Posted - 2012.08.27 13:45:00 - [11] - Quote Dude you are wasting our time . Find a better agent deep in a sea of high sec . If you still like that extra reward of that 0.5 agent near low sec DEAL WITH IT ./thread
Roime Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance 1103	Posted - 2012.08.27 14:03:00 - [12] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: Roime wrote: Why not fly a cheaper ship into lowsec? Just an idea. Why gimp your isk/time, stress levels, and risk repetitive stress injury (i.e. mashing the d-scan button) by flying in lowsec? I know some people claim to enjoy low-sec missioning and that they make a mint doing it, however, I just can't see the appeal nor how the rewards are high-enough to justify that claim, unless you and your friends manage to lock down a chunk of low-sec What do you need isk for, if not for flying in low/null/whs? PVE under PVP exposure combines the best of both worlds! PVE without any possibility of losing a ship is just way too boring for me to endure, if that was only thing EVE offered I'd unsub. Quote: Bad idea. Even if my ship's price was 100 ISK I wouldn't fly into a lowsec. Becasue I fly in a PvE ship with a PvE char. In other words setup is not for PvP. Why would I want to get into PvP with PvE stuff? I do missions, I don't give a sht about PvP. As I said even if my ship worth 100 ISK I wouldn't go there because loosing it is a big waste of time: Flying for a new ship, getting new mods, fitting, flying back. This things kill a lot of your time. Also I hate giving people free stuff, because killing a PvE ship with PvP one is a piece of cake. No one gives me an extra candy for flying there. Why don't you fit it for PVP then? I mean, that's like the sensible thing to do if you expect pew to happen. Which is often very easy to avoid, but I sense that nothing outside your grind really matters to you. It's all about ISK/hr, no fun should be be introduced into your EVE :( Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman*
Funky Lazers Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2012.08.27 14:27:00 - [13] - Quote Roime wrote: Why don't you fit it for PVP then? I mean, that's like the sensible thing to do if you expect pew to happen. Why would I want to fit a PvP ship and go there when I want to do missions aka carebearing? PvP in EvE is no longer fun and intereting. It's all about ganking, gate camping and waiting 132490 hours to have an actual engagement.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 305	Posted - 2012.08.27 14:28:00 - [14] - Quote Roime wrote: It's all about ISK/hr, no fun should be be introduced into your EVE :( a man once told me that some people think it's fun to optimize isk/hour. then he touched my weewee. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Lors Dornick Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet 184	Posted - 2012.08.27 15:00:00 - [15] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: Shouldn't Hi-sec agents give you hi-sec only missions and low-sec give you only low-sec ones? Tarn Kugisa wrote: Don't do missions near Lowsec If I remember correctly then the distance to the 'target' system depends on your effective standings and on the actual mission specifics. Like in current system or within 2 jumps, within constellation or in the next constellation. All without any regard to the security status of the target system or any system in between. With the removal of agent quality there's no longer any reason to use an agent within 2 jumps of lowsec system within the same constellation. Besides, why stop after trying agent #2? With the agent finder you get a nice list of available agents sorted by distance so if your current agent give you a bad mission, take the next one.
Emperor Salazar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 648	Posted - 2012.08.27 15:08:00 - [16] - Quote No one is forcing you to: 1. Do missions near low sec. 2. Use a 3bn isk ship. Actually, now that I think about it, is this the character you use for missioning? I'm sure we could arrange to have someone come show you why using a 3bn isk ship for missions even in high sec is a bad idea.
Pinstar Colton Sweet Asteroid Acres 243	Posted - 2012.08.27 15:40:00 - [17] - Quote Wandering into low sec is not the worst thing in the world. Not EVERY high/low border system is a perma-camped instalocking disco meatgrinder. There are far too many low sec systems and not nearly enough pirates to camp them. By using agents off the beaten path, those forrays into low sec won't be too bad. Even better: Find an agent IN low sec. You get the same dangers of entering low sec (arguably less since agents deep in low might not send you to a low/high border system) but you get higher isk/LP rewards due to your agent being in a low sec system. In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.
Roime Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance 1103	Posted - 2012.08.27 15:56:00 - [18] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: Roime wrote: Why don't you fit it for PVP then? I mean, that's like the sensible thing to do if you expect pew to happen. Why would I want to fit a PvP ship and go there when I want to do missions aka carebearing? PvP in EvE is no longer fun and intereting. It's all about ganking, gate camping and waiting 132490 hours to have an actual engagement. Because you can omnitank your ship and fit a point on it. And just no, pvp certainly isn't all about that. For what it's worth, and in this thread probably not much. @ Daniel, yeah, but why do hisec missions then? Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 305	Posted - 2012.08.27 16:44:00 - [19] - Quote Roime wrote: @ Daniel, yeah, but why do hisec missions then? because losing ships hurts your isk/hour. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Roime Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance 1103	Posted - 2012.08.27 17:47:00 - [20] - Quote But not as much as running missions does. Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 624	Posted - 2012.08.27 17:53:00 - [21] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: This doesn't solve the actual problem. It actually does. If you don't work for an agent anywhere near low sec, you won't get sent to low sec. And yes, that solves your problem. But seriously. Low sec isn't that scary.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 305	Posted - 2012.08.27 18:06:00 - [22] - Quote Roime wrote: But not as much as running missions does. not everybody has access to better isk/hr than missioning. unless you mean station trading in which case i modify my statement to 'not everyone is resistant to brain-eating activities.' "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Funky Lazers Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2012.08.27 19:10:00 - [23] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: Funky Lazers wrote: This doesn't solve the actual problem. It actually does. If you don't work for an agent anywhere near low sec, you won't get sent to low sec. And yes, that solves your problem. Forget about me. Why hisec agents give lowsec missions? Today I asked like 10-15 people who do missions, all of them said they decline lowsec missions. So, what's the point if people decline them? Zhilia Mann wrote: But seriously. Low sec isn't that scary. I did all kinds of PvP for past 6 years, it bores me to hell now. I know exactly what can happend in lowsec, so no thanks, I wouldn't waste my time there.
Zycorax II White Noise Combine 4	Posted - 2012.08.28 06:31:00 - [24] - Quote iirc security agents will send you to a system within the same constellation, so if there's a low sec system within said constellation, there is a chance that you will be sent there.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings 313	Posted - 2012.08.28 06:49:00 - [25] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: Why hisec agents give lowsec missions? Today I asked like 10-15 people who do missions, all of them said they decline lowsec missions. So, what's the point if people decline them? The easiest answer? Because it is programmed that way. Agents are programmed in such a way that if you are near a lowsec area you may get a mission there. Why doesn't CCP change it? I would venture to guess that since they have put in a vast number of agents, a player has the choice of picking an agent that will be in proximity to lowsec OR an agent completely safe from giving out a lowsec mission. Im sure if they wanted to they could reprogram the agents to never give out lowsec missions. But I think most players would agree this would be an extreme low priority given all of the other issues present in the game.
Leor Duku Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.08.28 11:29:00 - [26] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: Zhilia Mann wrote: Funky Lazers wrote: This doesn't solve the actual problem. It actually does. If you don't work for an agent anywhere near low sec, you won't get sent to low sec. And yes, that solves your problem. Forget about me. Why hisec agents give lowsec missions? Today I asked like 10-15 people who do missions, all of them said they decline lowsec missions. So, what's the point if people decline them? Zhilia Mann wrote: But seriously. Low sec isn't that scary. I did all kinds of PvP for past 6 years, it bores me to hell now. I know exactly what can happend in lowsec, so no thanks, I wouldn't waste my time there. What you'll find is that I don't decline them, and I like the risk sometimes of going to low-sec to do a mission. Also on a similar note I sometimes decline the Faction Kill missions because I don't want to take the faction standing hit. Please CCP take these missions away!!! What's the point if people decline them?
Matriarch Prime Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2012.08.28 16:49:00 - [27] - Quote Agents will send you to a pool of nearby system to maintain a balance load on the server. If you find yourself having to run missions often several systems away, and even into low sec, then you are likely in a high load area. Find some place else that is cozy enough for you that meets your required tastes. No one is forcing you to run missions at your current location other than yourself.
Veryez Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 30	Posted - 2012.08.28 21:31:00 - [28] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: It bothers me a lot. I have ~3bil Marauders and other high-cost ships that I fly for missions. So basically why would I fly into some low-sec system? I mean it's very dumb to go into low-sec in a 3bil ship. So every time I get a low-sec mission I decline it. Sometimes you get 2 in a row and then you have to move to another agent. Moreover when the other agent gives me 2 low-sec missions or faction ones I have no choice but to wait those 4 hrs for another try. Isn't that very frustrating and a waste of time? Each time I get that combo with my agents I log out, unless my corp has some pvp going on so I log on another char. Shouldn't Hi-sec agents give you hi-sec only missions and low-sec give you only low-sec ones? So many unhelpful answers here, let me try to help you. 1) It is very rare for an agent to give you kill missions outside the constellation you are in. Find an agent in a constellation without losec. 2) Second find a system that is within a jump or two of other lvl 4 agents, preferably agents of different factions. The 4 hour wait for non-faction missions becomes an non-issue. I completely agree flying a PVE setup ship into losec is (in general) not a very smart idea. I also have a real problem with the fact that so many lvl 5 missions are faction missions. It ruins the ability to trade through empire, because the teamwork required for lvl 5 missions makes them far more interesting. If you want to kill other factions and/or collect tags, that should be done through Faction warfare, non-FW agents should stick to pirates, this would be a nice boost to both groups. CCP had a real chance to boost FW without nerfing missions, but as usual chose the pedantic solution. Missions are a means to an end, whether it's to help you get a plex, or fund other activities. Implementing Soundwave's idea to make them more of a grind seems foolish, but what do you expect from a person who doesn't spend much time in empire.
Nuela Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance 101	Posted - 2012.08.29 17:56:00 - [29] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: Roime wrote: Why don't you fit it for PVP then? I mean, that's like the sensible thing to do if you expect pew to happen. PvP in EvE is no longer fun and intereting. It's all about ganking, gate camping and waiting 132490 hours to have an actual engagement. QFT...except for the 'no longer'. Eve is a good game. I play it often. However, it is not a good PvP game in the way I play PvP. I get my PvP fix elsewhere, mainly WWIIOnline and Blood Bowl. Eve IS a good PvP game for some folks...but Eve PvP is not what many people think of as PvP. Eve PvP is about using your skills to find a group of like minded individuals to go out and find fights that you will not lose at..and that involves partially what Funky has said above. In Eve, fights are almost always won before the fight starts. I have found I don't like that kind of PvP. I like PvP where the targets/action are numerous and the playing field is fair so that tactics/strategy on the field of matter is what mainly decides the winner of the contest. Eve is not that. Eve PvP is boring. Why do I play Eve then? The economy. I am a sucker for economic games and there is no other comparable to Eve. However, the reason Eve does have an economy is because of the PvP I don't like...I just wish Eve had more PvP where what happens on the field matters more than the before the fight.
Exploited Engineer Creatively Applied Violence Inc. 80	Posted - 2012.08.29 18:09:00 - [30] - Quote Funky Lazers wrote: This doesn't solve the actual problem. Why do you think agents in 0.5 sec systems give better rewards than those in 1.0 sec systems? It usually isn't the slightly longer CONCORD reaction time ...

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