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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.08.30 19:39:00 -
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I use 7 probes as well.. Works well |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
660
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Posted - 2012.08.31 02:40:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote: I prefer being able to scan down carriers with 16AU bubbles and frigates at 4AU. Not sure if four probes can accomplish that.
Okay, talking about pvp probing in a thread about jewing in a Missions and Complexes subforum is just silly.
I use 8 probes on my scanning alt when I'm probing. Its absolutely amazing (scan multiple gates/safes/perches/etc).
And yes, considering my probing alt is has faction gear, lvl 5 skills, cov ops 5 and rigs, its plenty possible to limit to 4 probes and go after multiple locations like I do. |

Mia Lang
Department of Planetary Services SOLAR FEDERATION ALLIANCE
4
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Posted - 2012.09.01 11:04:00 -
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If its speed and efficiency you are after, grab yourself a DSP and learn St Mio's guide. You can thank him later. |

Barrak
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
53
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Posted - 2012.09.01 14:37:00 -
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Roime wrote:I use 7, my alt 8. 7 in the normal formation of "star" with one above and one below. Balls are not only touching, they lovingly embrace each others. I took a screenshot as I couldn't explain the amount of overlap, http://i.imgur.com/2ElKt.jpg
I do this ^, however the edge of the bubble will touch it's opposite bubbles centre point
Something to look out for is to establish where the sig first appears in relation to your probes. if it's out on the edge of a single large(ish) bubble then the chances are it will move quite a bit when you move the centre to it, in which case you might want to leave the bubbles at 8AU (my default). If however, you pick it up nicely and early and its close to a celestial then you can drop down the sizes pretty quick.
One ting that is worth doing is to establish what is acutaly in the system to start with AND ascertain it's sig strength. If its large to start with then you should be able to get it iwithin 2/3 scans and possibly pick it up at 4au.
however if its coming in at around 0.20-25% then its going to need a lot more scanning...... at least that is how it works in wormholes.
Regards |

St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
959
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Posted - 2012.09.03 05:22:00 -
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Mia Lang wrote:If its speed and efficiency you are after, grab yourself a DSP and learn St Mio's guide. You can thank him later. No no no you will thank Mia, I insist
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chapter13
All Around Research Inc Damned Nation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.03 18:56:00 -
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It's moot at this point, but I've been scanning for years and the two things that save the most time by far are holding shift to move the group and holding alt to expand and contract the group. It makes using 8 probes extremely easy and quick. |

chapter13
All Around Research Inc Damned Nation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.03 18:58:00 -
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Mia Lang wrote:If its speed and efficiency you are after, grab yourself a DSP and learn St Mio's guide. You can thank him later.
I second (or third or fourth or whatever) this too. Huge difference for eliminating the sigs you don't want. Especially useful in WH's. |

Sanitation Engineer
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.09.03 23:41:00 -
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Or you could just figure it out using Sisters Core Probes instead of using the DSP method... I did. |

St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
960
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Posted - 2012.09.04 06:13:00 -
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chapter13 wrote:It's moot at this point, but I've been scanning for years and the two things that save the most time by far are holding shift to move the group and holding alt to expand and contract the group. It makes using 8 probes extremely easy and quick. All we need now is a keyboard shortcut for the Analyze button! |

chapter13
All Around Research Inc Damned Nation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.04 13:25:00 -
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Sanitation Engineer wrote:Or you could just figure it out using Sisters Core Probes instead of using the DSP method... I did.
the point of using DSP's is to quickly identify what specific types of sigs are in the system. That can't be done with the core probes. If you're out there for everything, they aren't necessary. If you're looking for something specific, the DSP method is very helpful and time saving. Regardless, if you spend any sort of consistent time exploring, you should know all of these techniques. |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
672
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Posted - 2012.09.04 13:35:00 -
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chapter13 wrote:Sanitation Engineer wrote:Or you could just figure it out using Sisters Core Probes instead of using the DSP method... I did. the point of using DSP's is to quickly identify what specific types of sigs are in the system. That can't be done with the core probes. If you're out there for everything, they aren't necessary. If you're looking for something specific, the DSP method is very helpful and time saving. Regardless, if you spend any sort of consistent time exploring, you should know all of these techniques.
It can be done with core probes, but the deviation is much higher and prone to errors, even when done by more experienced explorers. |

Sanitation Engineer
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.09.04 18:35:00 -
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Then I must be doing something differently. 2 billion in deadspace modules yesterday can't be wrong.
And by experienced. We're talking 3+ years right? |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
672
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Posted - 2012.09.04 19:39:00 -
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Yeah because 2 billion really has something to do with your probing ability. |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
672
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Posted - 2012.09.04 19:40:00 -
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If you read what I posted, I was supporting what you were saying.
But the fact is, DSP make it easier and less prone to error. Simple as that. |

Sanitation Engineer
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.09.04 19:50:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:If you read what I posted, I was supporting what you were saying.
But the fact is, DSP make it easier and less prone to error. Simple as that.
Maybe for people with lesser skills. |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
672
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Posted - 2012.09.04 22:13:00 -
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Jesus you are dumb. |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
672
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Posted - 2012.09.04 22:13:00 -
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GUYS IM JUST WAY TOO GOOD TO USE DEEP SPACE PROBES, GET ON MY LEVEL OK GUYS |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
672
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Posted - 2012.09.04 22:14:00 -
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GUYS?
GUYS?
GAIZ?
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Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
672
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Posted - 2012.09.04 22:16:00 -
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And thats you know, not even taking into account the whole 32 AU limitation.
But you obviously have a very efficient way to account for that without using deep space probes. |

St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
961
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Posted - 2012.09.05 05:31:00 -
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gf m8 |

Sanitation Engineer
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.09.05 07:09:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:And thats you know, not even taking into account the whole 32 AU limitation.
But you obviously have a very efficient way to account for that without using deep space probes.
Apparently closed minds much as those in the Exploration Channel in EVE are also incapable of grasping new ideas. So I'll just let you keep doing things your way and not contribute anything new or useful.
Hugs & Kisses,
The DED Trash Man. |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
673
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Posted - 2012.09.05 23:54:00 -
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A nice switch to
GUYS I HAZ A SOOPER SEKRIT METHOD BUT IM NOT TELLING
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH |

Tricky Dutch
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2012.09.12 16:36:00 -
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Find a wormhole corp for practice. On the side, you'll also make a killing in ISK. |

Mia Lang
Department of Planetary Services SOLAR FEDERATION ALLIANCE
4
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Posted - 2012.09.14 10:54:00 -
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Sanitation Engineer wrote:Then I must be doing something differently. 2 billion in deadspace modules yesterday can't be wrong.
And by experienced. We're talking 3+ years right?
2b a day is nuthin, I outperform you in Empire on a daily basis. And as for your wanting to bad talk the Explor chan, there is a reason why its one of Eve's longest-running chans. Can't say as we have ever seen you in there before, or in Club Deadspace...who are you again? get yourself a DSP and stop the madness. |

St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
966
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Posted - 2012.09.14 12:11:00 -
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This is why you don't mess with Mia if you know what's good for you =+P |

Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
46
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Posted - 2012.09.14 14:22:00 -
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chapter13 wrote:Mia Lang wrote:If its speed and efficiency you are after, grab yourself a DSP and learn St Mio's guide. You can thank him later. I second (or third or fourth or whatever) this too. Huge difference for eliminating the sigs you don't want. Especially useful in WH's.
I've looked at the list, and it seems to me that the DSP scan strength elimination thing isn't worthwhile if I'm hunting grav sites, because grav sites occur in almost all the bands.
Have I misunderstood something?
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Mia Lang
Department of Planetary Services SOLAR FEDERATION ALLIANCE
4
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Posted - 2012.09.14 19:33:00 -
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Salpad wrote:chapter13 wrote:Mia Lang wrote:If its speed and efficiency you are after, grab yourself a DSP and learn St Mio's guide. You can thank him later. I second (or third or fourth or whatever) this too. Huge difference for eliminating the sigs you don't want. Especially useful in WH's. I've looked at the list, and it seems to me that the DSP scan strength elimination thing isn't worthwhile if I'm hunting grav sites, because grav sites occur in almost all the bands. Have I misunderstood something?
It will save you from deploying and scanning empty systems. if all you are after are gravis, then youll want to scan everything down around you completly anyways. DSP is for those who wish to make the most out of their limited gametime....5 mins to scann entire sys if youre good, or sys scanned in the time it takes to warp across it to the next gate. Seems like a no-brainer to me. |

Mnemosyne Gloob
Teshnology Inc. Stealth Wear Inc.
63
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Posted - 2012.09.16 02:31:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:It can be done with core probes, but the deviation is much higher and prone to errors, even when done by more experienced explorers.
I don't think the error factor is much higher, rather you are looking at different numbers. I don't have much experiece with deep space probes, mind you, but i am telling signature bands all the time with normal probes.
The only things that i can think of that make people not want to use normal probes are system coverage and the fact that returned scan results are a bit more influenced by distance when you use core probes (people seem to want definate answers and the deep space probe 'charts' provide those, with variances that are very low in pure digits). But you can control that by launching more probes (if need be) to cover the system and by looking at the red sphere diameters on initial scan - if the sphere is large, reported strength will be a bit lower (in fact you mostly don't even need to look at this, because the bands are separated enough).
Anyway, the general tone in exploration ("all hail DSPs" and so on) seems to suggest that people like this whole thing, even tho most of them are just blindly using the mechanics without actually having an understanding why it works - and this is not because of deep space probes, but because of the underlying game mechanic of signature strengths.
Maybe some more randomness is in order for our beloved activity again? Mio will spank me for saying this random thing out aloud, but in a way i think 'exploration' should somehow be more nudged towards stray encounters and all the like again.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
661
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Posted - 2012.09.16 06:27:00 -
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Salpad wrote:I've looked at the list, and it seems to me that the DSP scan strength elimination thing isn't worthwhile if I'm hunting grav sites, because grav sites occur in almost all the bands.
Have I misunderstood something?
Not really, at least not if you're taking whatever gravs come around. If you happen to be looking for one or more specific sites then band narrowing will still help. At the very least, ignoring anything on the K162 band would probably help more than it hurts simply because there are so many bad hits there. |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
680
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Posted - 2012.09.16 18:40:00 -
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Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:It can be done with core probes, but the deviation is much higher and prone to errors, even when done by more experienced explorers. I don't think the error factor is much higher, rather you are looking at different numbers. I don't have much experiece with deep space probes, mind you, but i am telling signature bands all the time with normal probes. The only things that i can think of that make people not want to use normal probes are system coverage and the fact that returned scan results are a bit more influenced by distance when you use core probes (people seem to want definate answers and the deep space probe 'charts' provide those, with variances that are very low in pure digits). But you can control that by launching more probes (if need be) to cover the system and by looking at the red sphere diameters on initial scan - if the sphere is large, reported strength will be a bit lower (in fact you mostly don't even need to look at this, because the bands are separated enough). Anyway, the general tone in exploration ("all hail DSPs" and so on) seems to suggest that people like this whole thing, even tho most of them are just blindly using the mechanics without actually having an understanding why it works - and this is not because of deep space probes, but because of the underlying game mechanic of signature strengths. Maybe some more randomness is in order for our beloved activity again? Mio will spank me for saying this random thing out aloud, but in a way i think 'exploration' should somehow be more nudged towards stray encounters and all the like again.
You literally just explained what I meant by "deviation is much higher and prone to errors." I agree that its perfectly doable with core probes; I've done it myself. The errors I am referring to are those the user makes gathering and interpreting the data. It also takes, as you indicate, a lot more effort and work to use core probes for this method. The DSP allows you to take advantage of using a single probe and a single scan to do all the work and give you data with a deviation of +/- .01.
Competitive exploration is all about speed and subsequently efficiency. DSP are simply more efficient when seeking to filter out site types. |
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