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Bakhatsu
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Posted - 2011.03.15 23:45:00 -
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Edited by: Bakhatsu on 15/03/2011 23:54:45
Last night when our group was fleeted, we started ratting horde sites in drone 0.0. To the knowing, there are two type of drone site. The first being waves, destroy the trigger ship and the next wave spawns. The second is the bunker spawn site. With a large enough group the plan is to send in one ship, and pop all the bunkers, causing all the 4 respawn waves to spawn. Then everyone warps in, the proper tank has the aggro, destroy all ships...salvage, mix and repeat with next site. Now, the question is, did ccp put something in that if you do too many sites, they kill the respawn. Thats what appears to have happened. Another corp mate, the night before, had been doing many sites with a group and he found that the bunkers would not spawn for him. they were for us, that was yesterday, now none of them do for us.
I submitted a petition, and the gm said it only happened a minute ago and I shouldn't have reported it. I replied, did you look back and see that this was the fourth in a row that did not spawn. He said, I cannot help you, you need to submit a full bug report with diagnostic files and a logserver report. I really wasn't aware that anything my client did, "made" the server do the spawn. What is my client doing differently today than yesterday and since when did our clients have the ability to tell the server to do anything. Wait, they don't, not directly, only as a reaction to what we did, we blow this up, server says, hey this is blown up, start respawn. We obviously blew up the bunker, the game obviously knows this since it made it go boom. No respawn.
One must conclude that ccp, in its "IMMENSE" wisdom, must have nerfed it because if a group does 5 horde sites in an hour, they must be cheating so we shut it off for a few days so they cannot make any isk.
Alone, doing a horde, it took me 60-65 minutes to complete the horde. then 15-20 to salvage. For 30 million isk. Now we get a group of 5, we do 4 an hour with cleanup, thats 120 million split between 5 people, thats less than 30 million an hour per toon.
I do not believe this is a bug. I believe CCP is purposely causing the spawn hordes to not work correctly when many sites have been done. I also believe they are targetting specific players that do the sites. The night before it was a different player that was not getting the spawns. Today, I am not, but guess what. We had a toon from a different corp come in and pop the bunkers and guess what.... spawn spawn spawn spawn...
get real ccp
I firmly believe that ccp is trying to make the game more cash based. They want you to buy plex to get isk. They make money, so less isk you get from game, more money they make. It is already hard as hell to make a go in drone land space, do your research. It appears to ccp that everyone of us out here is a non-attended macroer cheating the game, otherwise why would they keep making sure to mess with the income, change the menus. They have time to nerf up anything that works but since I been in this game they still cannot fix the cycle graphic on your modules. I write software for the game industry, come on ccp, how hard is it to make the white circle start at 0 and end at 0. Everytime.
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Soldarius
Caldari
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.16 03:42:00 -
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Welcome to Incursion 1.2. Yes, Drone Horde sites got nerfed. No, you can't haz my stuff. Get out of Geminate. All your bots are belong to me.
 Originally by: CCP Shadow
...I cannot guarantee (my) sobriety or decency.
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Bakhatsu
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Posted - 2011.03.16 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Bakhatsu on 16/03/2011 16:10:03
Further evidence that this is a personal attack on specific players. Two players in our corp currently are unable to get any spawns from these spawn horde sites. We bring in another player, he popped three, all spawned, I popped one, no spawn.
This is not a bug, it is a discriminating attack on single players. Ever heard of prejudicial actions. This is definately one of them. If there is a way to bot horde sites, I don't have it and am not doing it. So CCP is personally attacking me and my game play. Congrats on being "the MAN" CCP
you are earning my respect, yes, sarcasm
if you do not like me, just tell me, don't go behind my back and call it a bug
So, everyone, let's get the record straight so you understand. If you make too much isk, CCP Nerf's your toon so you can't
Understand
Thank you
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Sub Prime
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Posted - 2011.03.16 19:16:00 -
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You deserve nothing for living in BOTland.
Don't come onto the forums expecting anything less than derision for living in a region rampant for botting.
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Lithargos
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Posted - 2011.03.16 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sub Prime
You deserve nothing for living in BOTland.
Don't come onto the forums expecting anything less than derision for living in a region rampant for botting.
Your logic makes my cat laugh.
Seriously... she's laughing...
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Montgomery Crabapple
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Posted - 2011.03.16 21:33:00 -
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To continue the bot theme: stop doing it then you won't get nerfed.
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Bakhatsu
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Posted - 2011.03.17 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: Bakhatsu on 17/03/2011 00:30:48
Its ok when you all have a complaint evidently but when it is someone else that has actual proof of a lack of fairness, even within ones own space, wah wah wah, huh. Call the people in drone space anything you like, but when you see the smack talk and swearing and insults that are way beyond the obscene in local, take a good look at who is saying it. Wait, that would be the red invaders saying all that, because the only thing we tend to post is gf.
See you on the losing side of the killmail, if I can't rat, I may as well pvp.
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.17 05:23:00 -
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In all seriousness, this sounds like a bug. Please do the GM's suggestion of running logserver, etc, and reporting it.
<insertbotsarcasm>
Unless that would detect your bot program?
</insertbotsarcasm>
In all seriousness, have loved the Russians I've flown with, will enjoy seeing you on the battlefield, now GTFO my Geminate!
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Dawn Black
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Posted - 2011.03.17 13:55:00 -
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Indeed. With CCP's recent changes and prices of a lot of things going skyboom their only goal is too get more plex sold, more sold for ISK and make their bank account look even more $$$ inflated. Well maybe they got hit by the big $$ iceland kaboom harder then we thought. Question is how long they will get away with it before the EVE = work is really starting to pis people off and lose a lot of their customers. But until then they can screw everyone over as much as they want.
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Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.03.17 21:06:00 -
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Edited by: Alice Katsuko on 17/03/2011 21:11:25
Confirming that Drone Horde (Sanctum-equivalent) bunker triggers no longer properly work. As of approximately two days ago, shooting a trigger bunker in a Drone Horde is no longer guaranteed to produce a spawn. This issue appears to be more or less random. It does not appear to be affected by which rats are destroyed in the initial or in a subsequent spawn before a trigger bunker is attacked. It does not appear to be affected by the number of players in the anomaly, nor the type of ship, since I have run into this issue when flying solo in Dominix.
The only plausible theory advanced so far is that trigger bunkers now trigger spawns only if a certain period of time passes after the previous trigger bunker is attaked. This is rather annoying, since it is now more difficult to run Drone Hordes in fleets, but does not really affect the income stream of those who run anomalies solo, since the malfunctioning Drone Horde still despawns as expected.
The Drone Hordes where new spawns are triggered by destroying a particular rat in a previous spawn are not affected.
I am currently running the logserver, and will be filing a full bug report if this problem shows up. I doubt that the GMs would be able to do anything via petition, since this is most likely a server-side issue involving some sort of trigger switches.
Those running Drone Hordes should run the logserver, and submit bug reports if this problem arises as well. If this is in fact another stealth nerf, then CCP should as a matter of common decency make this nerf known. Most of us who live in the Drone Lands are not botters, regardless of what some ignorant folk may think.
Edit: As far as the Op's suggestion that this is an attack on particular players, I doubt that CCP would ever bother messing up the anomalies or missions of individual players. Besides which, the issue seems to be affecting all Drone Lands residents.
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.03.17 23:56:00 -
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Yes obviously CCP so dislikes you they took time out of their day to specifically flag some of your corpmates as to not be able to get spawns, having coded an entire new function for it and bugtesting it themselves without the rest of the staff knowing (Or better yet: All of CCP is in on it! Conspiracies are fun!) and then silently hotfixing it in the middle of the last DT.
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Lithargos
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Posted - 2011.03.18 11:20:00 -
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Yet another nerf to drone regions residents... it's not enough that we live in the poorest areas... you have to make us bleed for our ISK even more...
I'm getting a bit tired of all this...
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Ethan Blue
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Posted - 2011.06.02 16:15:00 -
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If you "One Shot" the bunkers... it causes no spawn. If you DAMAGE a bunker, it does cause a spawn... sick drones on it or get out of range so you don't insta pop them. Did 15 Hordes this week... every bunker caused a spawn, as long as you don't instapop them.
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Jack Tronic
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Posted - 2011.06.02 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Tronic on 02/06/2011 18:17:10
Originally by: Lithargos
Yet another nerf to drone regions residents... it's not enough that we live in the poorest areas... you have to make us bleed for our ISK even more...
I'm getting a bit tired of all this...
Don't worry Tech will be nerfed just in time for when DRF gains control of most of it. The goons jews have been preparing for it for months now.
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Herr Dryus
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Posted - 2011.06.02 18:51:00 -
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lol conspiracy theory much?
Speaking of ridiculous things; here is the correlation between pirates & global warming
http://bama.ua.edu/~sprentic/101%20pirates-temp.jpg
I'd say that is more likely than CCP secretly targetting you and your bots. Eh, friends.
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Larry Wickes
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Posted - 2011.06.11 06:33:00 -
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Confirming this is true.
As a pilot that lives in Drone Land I find it really annoying to not have those four spawns. What's going on here CCP? Those four spawns had a huge contrabution to my income and now they don't happen.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente
Factio Paucorum
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Posted - 2011.06.11 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Larry Wickes
Confirming this is true.
As a pilot that lives in Drone Land I find it really annoying to not have those four spawns. What's going on here CCP? Those four spawns had a huge contrabution to my income and now they don't happen.
Use a target painter to aggro each of the structures in the middle (about 30km from the warp-in). All the drones will spawn and you can kill to your heart's content.
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Mspaine
Amarr
Eternal Guardians
Bloodbound.
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Posted - 2011.07.10 23:26:00 -
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I was smartbombing the bunkers. Its not insta kill as it takes two cycles.
Started bugging up with the smartbomb so i switched to a target painter.
Target painter seems to work a bit better. I've only had it "not spawn anything" on to occasions as compared to the many with the smartbomb.
I think its just random luck tho.
Fixy plz ccp.
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Chase08888
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.07.11 08:00:00 -
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confirming that spawns still work if you dont instapop them (lost my tenjew that way). your doing it wrong so GTFO <3
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.07.11 09:02:00 -
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heh. one more whine thread "we don't read the forums but CCP nerfed <XXX>!!!"
Guys really. Try to read forums before you post. I answered the same question last week. As said guy before you only should "touch" bunker. And horde triggers worked this way at least last 3 months when i first found it.
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Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.07.12 07:07:00 -
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Edited by: Headerman on 12/07/2011 07:07:42
Ahh i see what u did there chase :P
Yeah you have to do *something* to the bunkers to get the rogue drones to come out of their hidey hole. They have to be given a chance to get out.
I for one launch 4 warrier 1's and target 1 to each bunker, then pull them all after they spawn. Works every time.
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Hekira Soikutsu
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Posted - 2011.07.12 10:13:00 -
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Edited by: Hekira Soikutsu on 12/07/2011 10:15:03
I lol'd at the OP.
7/10 because noone can possibly be this dense?
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Neuralyzer
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Posted - 2011.07.13 20:08:00 -
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Clearly you just need to buy the new CCP tin foil hat, coming soon to a NEX store near you. With it, CCP won't be able to read your mind and block your access to your carebear sites! Just 50000 AUR.
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