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Tetsuo Akuji
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Posted - 2011.03.16 10:58:00 -
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I was having a discussion with a few comrades of mine and I decided to whip up this topic from underneath the rug.
I want your thoughts on this.
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ArtieLange
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Posted - 2011.03.16 11:05:00 -
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It's cropped up a few times, and I fail to see how it could have a negative side.
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.16 11:08:00 -
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Moved from 'EVE General Discussion'.
Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online |
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Aeronwen Carys
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Posted - 2011.03.16 22:42:00 -
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Im sticking with my original view, this is a **** poor idea. The thing about EVE is that you have to live with your choices, including your name. If you are too lazy to think of a better name than Flashpants Mctighty1234567 or o0XxD4rthV4d3rxX0o then thats just tough luck, re-roll your character or live with it.
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.03.17 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Aeronwen Carys ...Flashpants Mctighty1234567 or o0XxD4rthV4d3rxX0o...
would you actually remember these names? also, how does having option to change name not constitute a choice? how does a record of name change not constitute a consequence? ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon." |
Kara Sharalien
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.17 10:06:00 -
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Edited by: Kara Sharalien on 17/03/2011 10:10:30
Originally by: Jagga Spikes how does a record of name change not constitute a consequence?
There are a number of people whose names I remember specifically so that if they jump in system, I dock immediately. That's a consequence of their actions.
I'd prefer not to have have to go right-click->show info->former names on every single person in local as they enter.
Allowing name changes would be a horrific buff to suicide gankers, known scammers and generally untrustworthy individuals.
Happily enough, CCP agrees with me and has sworn never to implement this.
There are only three types of people who post positive comments in a name change thread:
1. People wanting to avoid consequences.
2. People who chose ****ty names because they thought they were only going to play this for two weeks and then leave.
3. People who bought characters based on skillpoints without considering the name.
My statements to these people are as follows:
1. You've taken the action, don't be a ***** by trying to dodge the consequence. I spit on you for even considering it.
2. If you name is a terrible one, I have no sympathy for you. I picked a name I liked. Perhaps you should have as well?
3. Caviat Emptor. Skillpoints aren't everything in a character transfer. Don't screw with my game because of your sort-sightedness.
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.03.17 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Jagga Spikes on 17/03/2011 18:46:55
Originally by: Kara Sharalien ... There are only three types of people who post positive comments in a name change thread: 1. People wanting to avoid consequences. 2. People who chose ****ty names because they thought they were only going to play this for two weeks and then leave. 3. People who bought characters based on skillpoints without considering the name. ...
1. how does changing name avoid consequence on name change record, contact standing and private note? 2. i care about names of my characters, and i support option for people to change name of their characters. 3. see 1. character transfer has nothing to do with name change.
character transfers create far more "problems" than name change ever would, and transfers are allowed, and can effectively leave no trace. only issue name change would bring is that people would have to use standings and private notes, which most sensible people already do. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon." |
Esiel
Renegade Serenity
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Posted - 2011.03.18 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aeronwen Carys Im sticking with my original view, this is a **** poor idea. The thing about EVE is that you have to live with your choices, including your name. If you are too lazy to think of a better name than Flashpants Mctighty1234567 or o0XxD4rthV4d3rxX0o then thats just tough luck, re-roll your character or live with it.
You have to be delusional if you think EVE is about having to live with your choices.
Become a pirate and kill loot and steal. Consequence - you can't go to high sec, or no that isn't true. You can simply kill bad guys and suddenly the police love you. Or if you are lazy just get an alt to do all the safe stuff for you.
Rip off your corp/alliance for everything they have. You aren't even a criminal, most likely you will end up in your enemyÆs house with hearty congratulations, people will write stories about how great it was you were able to con and destroy said corp/alliance. Worst case scenario, where everyone hates you, give all your ill-gotten gains to an alt, sell this character and buy a new one with similar skills and you disappear no one knowing who you were.
Become a pirate in high sec, there you will die at least right? Well is death that bad considering you just come back alive with the insurance for your ship you just blew up covering your cost plus whatever you managed to plunder.
I really have no idea why CCP is so adamant about people keeping their name when they provide ways for people to get around any consequences of having that name either with alts or simply selling the character and buying a new one.
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Sahara Bena
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Posted - 2011.03.18 06:55:00 -
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I support the idea of changing a characters name if transferring and selling characters are allowed. It does not remove prior contact standings, you will still know who they are by portrait if they have a new one. Personal notes should be used more often anyways to discern and remember who they are. With micro transactions and such on the horizon I can see this, along with portrait retakes and vanity items doable.
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Amaroq Dricaldari
Amarr Universal Deathdealing Militia Fusion Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.18 09:55:00 -
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What does the Yellow Thumbs Up sign below somebody's info mean?
^^My Signature is Better than yours^^ |
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James Fiveaces
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Posted - 2011.03.18 15:08:00 -
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There should be a one time option per character or account. I don't see it as cutting into the consequences as there should also be an "previously known alias" tab if applicable.
Please extend this option CCP, it's not hard to implement nor will it grievously hinder someone's identification of a previous alias.
This solution (of a previously known alias tab) and limiting the name change to one per character ensures that...
1. The feature is not abused such that people have a new name everyday. 2. There is recourse to uncover who someone actually is (satisfied the consequences crowd). 3. Permits further enjoyment of the game for people who did not fully consider the length of this game. 4. Possibly opens the door to some type of financial avenue for CCP, imagine if this one time service was $20 USD.
This has been brought up enough times that compromises can be had to make it possible.
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Nikkos Geset
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Posted - 2011.03.20 06:47:00 -
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I for one would love a paid name change. Even if you can only use it once per account it would be awesome. You see a month and a half ago I made this character on a trial account using the last name of a friend an RL friend of mines toon. It was his idea and meant to show we were buddies RL. The problem lies in now everyone thinks I'm his alt and I don't want to undo the time and work I've put in already by having to start a new toon. Come on CCP throw us a bone.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.20 19:44:00 -
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Quote: I decided to whip up this topic from underneath the rug.
Recycle and try to whip up the masses again you mean. This is a bad idea.
There is a reason your identity needs to stay with you always.. Lore reason: Concord medical has a permanent record of your genetics and everyone is privy to it through the people and places search engine. Concords thinking is: if anyone can find you with a locator agent's assistance there might be enough deterrence to reduce corp theft and espionage; game reason: If you are a corp thief the consequence is you have to live with the fact a corp is gunning for your character. If you buy a character you should do a background check and be prepared to live with the rep or walk away from the purchase. If there are names you don't like steer away from those names at creation... it's that simple.
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.03.20 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Barbara Nichole ... Consequences are real.. even in your simple examples. ID change is an attempt to remove some consequences..(even if it's just the consequences of not thinking up a good name) This would be like CCP introducing an exploit.. on purpose. Dumb idea.
how does name change record mean less consequence? how would that be more of an exploit than lesser-evil-is-good character transfers? how does name change break identity, but character transfer does not? ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon." |
Goose99
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Posted - 2011.03.21 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jagga Spikes
Originally by: Barbara Nichole ... Consequences are real.. even in your simple examples. ID change is an attempt to remove some consequences..(even if it's just the consequences of not thinking up a good name) This would be like CCP introducing an exploit.. on purpose. Dumb idea.
how does name change record mean less consequence? how would that be more of an exploit than lesser-evil-is-good character transfers? how does name change break identity, but character transfer does not?
With character transfers, someone gets the baggage/infamy attached to it, the baggage isn't lost.
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MadJim
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Posted - 2011.03.21 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Aeronwen Carys Im sticking with my original view, this is a **** poor idea. The thing about EVE is that you have to live with your choices, including your name. If you are too lazy to think of a better name than Flashpants Mctighty1234567 or o0XxD4rthV4d3rxX0o then thats just tough luck, re-roll your character or live with it.
Dang I really like that second one,
o0XxD4rthV4d3rxX0o lives!!!!!
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2011.03.21 05:32:00 -
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Edited by: Misanthra on 21/03/2011 05:33:10
Originally by: Nikkos Geset I for one would love a paid name change. Even if you can only use it once per account it would be awesome. You see a month and a half ago I made this character on a trial account using the last name of a friend an RL friend of mines toon. It was his idea and meant to show we were buddies RL. The problem lies in now everyone thinks I'm his alt and I don't want to undo the time and work I've put in already by having to start a new toon. Come on CCP throw us a bone.
this didn't seem like a bad idea week 1? not even gonna comment using a friends name for your own....but something should have screamed reroll week 1 or 2 when less painful to do so.
Also a bit of advice for eve and real life actually. Never stamp someone else's name on your stuff unless they are your children. They will always be your kids for time everlasting. Husband/wives, bf/gf....can stop being them. Best way to ensure that happening, do something like name something after them that is permanent. For example...do not ever get your partner's name put in a tattoo. Usually leads to laser removal or a "touch up" to cover it up after you get tired of explaining why you have a name in your tattoo that does not belong to your current spouse.
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.03.21 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: Jagga Spikes on 21/03/2011 09:26:06
Originally by: Goose99
Originally by: Jagga Spikes ...
how does name change record mean less consequence? how would that be more of an exploit than lesser-evil-is-good character transfers? how does name change break identity, but character transfer does not?
With character transfers, someone gets the baggage/infamy attached to it, the baggage isn't lost.
the baggage may not be lost with transfers, but does it mean anything? is someone that buys character required to act the same way as previous player, for good or bad? and again, how does name change record mean that baggage is lost? ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon." |
Marija Vanszar
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.21 10:51:00 -
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I do not understand why everyone is moaning about this topic... IF someone wants to make his past vanish, he/she only has to buy a new character, sell his old one, and problem solved...
Alos in RL, Name changes are nothing special nowdays... why shouldn't we be able to change our names. I know some guys with buttugly names, who have made it really big, and they're flying around with names like "pinkpony"
just my point of view.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.03.21 11:59:00 -
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If there are put some actual naming policies in place with harsh enforcement. All "<race>citizenXXXX" are excluded, they already messed up badly by violating the nearly non-existent rules in place now.
You'd also need a clear indication of old aliases as well those aliases' corporate histories .. could be done in current history with parenthesis.
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