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ahleck
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Posted - 2011.03.16 22:25:00 -
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Here are the facts:
Known Facts:
1) Corp A has been decced by Corps B, C, D.
2) Corps B,C,D are all related but not alliance(this is a factual, given)
3) Corps B, C, D comprise of a about 20 folk between the three, most players being 05, 06. (suggests they should be skilled, "deadly")
4) Corp A has ALL names for corps B, C, D.
5) Corp A doesn't have the number of folk to be a viable threat to B,C,D whether as single "B" or totality B, C, D.
6) Corp AA is friendly to corp A "blue". and is also decced by the same B,C,D
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Scenario
a few from Corp A decide to field a few ships, solid fits, but not like faction ships, t2s and such. against an equal number of pilots in B, C, D who are in generally better ships and solid fits. (including tech 2, pirate faction, so forth). Yet, B,C,D keep "running" from A. equal odds number wise.
There are never enough WTs online for Corps B,C,D to try to lure A into another system for a trap. (factual)
SO in short- why war dec a corp, yet run away 9/10 times even when from skill point and ship ability wise the battle is in your favor?
How likely do you think that this is all a setup by Corp A against corp AA?
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ahleck
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Posted - 2011.03.16 22:59:00 -
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It just doesnt seem like a trap per se, unless its a pavelas dog thing?
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dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.17 00:12:00 -
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 Originally by: ahleck
How likely do you think that this is all a setup by Corp A against corp AA?
82.7%, did i win anything?
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DeliciousHamBeast
Caldari
Ignoble Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.03.17 00:38:00 -
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I'm not entirely sure I understood most of that, but if I were a corporation that wanted to pay mercenaries to wardec some other corporation I would probably not also pay them to wardec me...
So exactly 31.89% chance. There can be no doubt.
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ahleck
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Posted - 2011.03.17 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: DeliciousHamBeast
I'm not entirely sure I understood most of that, but if I were a corporation that wanted to pay mercenaries to wardec some other corporation I would probably not also pay them to wardec me...
So exactly 31.89% chance. There can be no doubt.
sorry, its sort of confusing... but doesnt have to be like they are paying mercenaries or anything..
well- why if B,C,D have the advantage- plain and simple- would they keep running?
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Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.03.17 00:53:00 -
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I'm coming up with 32.33% repeating of course
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.03.17 01:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jovan Geldon on 17/03/2011 01:03:56
Originally by: Awesome Possum
I'm coming up with 32.33% repeating of course
Well, that's better than we normally ge- Alright chumps, I'm back! Let's do this! JOOOOVAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNN GEEELLLLLLLDOOONNNNNNNN!
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DeliciousHamBeast
Caldari
Ignoble Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.03.17 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: ahleck
well- why if B,C,D have the advantage- plain and simple- would they keep running?
It's possible that BCD are worried about their [killboard stats/expensive faction junk] and don't want to risk any possible losses (even if they would win the fight) or something lame like that.
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.17 01:11:00 -
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You're asking why a larger and seemingly more skill-trained group wardecced a smaller corp, but once the war started they're running away instead of engaging?
Simple, because they're morons and cowards. They probably expected to make some quick extortion cash by just intimidating you, and it must be a real surprise that you're actually fielding ships and trying to fight them.
Once the war ends, A should declare against B, C, D and demand payment to stop (demand a large sum, after all they're from '05 - '06). Harrass them if they don't (because apparently you can).
Kudos to you for not running away, and trying to fight. Not many do that.
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ahleck
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Posted - 2011.03.17 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: DeliciousHamBeast
Originally by: ahleck
well- why if B,C,D have the advantage- plain and simple- would they keep running?
It's possible that BCD are worried about their [killboard stats/expensive faction junk] and don't want to risk any possible losses (even if they would win the fight) or something lame like that.
that sounds like the simplest and hence most likely, it just doesnt seem to fit though, because BCD decced A. and then after the week is up, the continued but.. thx for the input 
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ahleck
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Posted - 2011.03.17 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: dexington
Originally by: ahleck
How likely do you think that this is all a setup by Corp A against corp AA?
82.7%, did i win anything?
I generally get cookies when i do something right, would you like one 
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Cambarus
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.03.17 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: ahleck
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: ahleck
How likely do you think that this is all a setup by Corp A against corp AA?
82.7%, did i win anything?
I generally get cookies when i do something right, would you like one
If you were to divulge corp names it would take all of 30 seconds to look them up on BC and tell you whether or not they obsess over K/D ratios. They may well keep the dec going because they DO get the occasional kill, and you're just not seeing it. |
ahleck
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Posted - 2011.03.17 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Cambarus
Originally by: ahleck
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: ahleck
How likely do you think that this is all a setup by Corp A against corp AA?
82.7%, did i win anything?
I generally get cookies when i do something right, would you like one
If you were to divulge corp names it would take all of 30 seconds to look them up on BC and tell you whether or not they obsess over K/D ratios. They may well keep the dec going because they DO get the occasional kill, and you're just not seeing it.
sorry m8, if i divulge names, whats to keep other griefers (not implying you are mind you) from doing their thing? suffice it to say though, that they do have very decent kb kill ratios, and generally are using t2 bcs, t2 cruisers and pirate faction ships- with full t2 weapons
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Sisohiv
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.03.17 01:28:00 -
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The point is to disable corp A.
Even if Corp A spends all thier time chasing Red herring corps, Corp A is disabled. They aren't doing what they were doing before the war dec. |
ahleck
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Posted - 2011.03.17 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sisohiv
The point is to disable corp A.
Even if Corp A spends all thier time chasing Red herring corps, Corp A is disabled. They aren't doing what they were doing before the war dec.
Does red herring corps asking for ransom also fit with ^?
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.03.17 02:07:00 -
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You don't wardec people for the ~goodfights~
You do it to absolutely drive them into submission and to apply all the overkill that is humanly possible to said targets.
...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Lokaas
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Posted - 2011.03.17 03:04:00 -
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"SO in short- why war dec a corp, yet run away 9/10 times even when from skill point and ship ability wise the battle is in your favor?"
THIS IS WHY I HATE PVP IN EVE!
Get rid of warping and get rid of gates, nuff said.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2011.03.17 06:08:00 -
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Easy, B,C and D were paid by A to make them look tuff.
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Texcoyo
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.17 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lokaas
Get rid of warping and get rid of gates, nuff said.
Yeah, make everyone slow-boat 13 AU to the nearest point and never leave the solar system they log into!
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Sverige Pahis
Caldari
Random Selection.
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.03.18 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: Texcoyo
Originally by: Lokaas
Get rid of warping and get rid of gates, nuff said.
Yeah, make everyone slow-boat 13 AU to the nearest point and never leave the solar system they log into!
hi there's a warp feature in eve online maybe you should look into that
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Chandaris
Gallente
Lethal Devotion
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Posted - 2011.03.18 13:57:00 -
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most people in this game, even pvp'er are pussies.. they will only engage if they outnumber and feel they can win a fight with zero losses.
it's pathetic, really. but, considering ship losses are permanent in eve, and ships are expensive to replace, this will never change.
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Astroka
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Posted - 2011.03.18 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sverige Pahis
Originally by: Texcoyo
Originally by: Lokaas
Get rid of warping and get rid of gates, nuff said.
Yeah, make everyone slow-boat 13 AU to the nearest point and never leave the solar system they log into!
hi there's a warp feature in eve online maybe you should look into that
Hi, he was replying to someone saying CCP should get rid of warping, maybe you should look into that.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.03.18 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: ahleck
3) Corps B, C, D comprise of a about 20 folk between the three, most players being 05, 06. (suggests they should be skilled, "deadly")
Mistake #1, never assume even old players know what they're doing. Especially in High sec corps. It's also a known fact that a group of 6 month old pilots who know what they are doing will PWN a group of 6 year old pilots who don't.
Originally by: ahleck
5) Corp A doesn't have the number of folk to be a viable threat to B,C,D whether as single "B" or totality B, C, D.
Mistake #2 Numbers only count in blobs. You put in enough effort, and you'll find a few of them online that are out and not organzied. My suggestion, find them, get into fast-hard hitting bc's and try to gank a few at a time. warp out when they reinforce, hit hard, hit fast, and run away laughing.
Originally by: ahleck
SO in short- why war dec a corp, yet run away 9/10 times even when from skill point and ship ability wise the battle is in your favor?
This depends on how long they have been doing this tactic...sometimes it's good to 'probe' your enemies out for weeknesses. How long does it take them to respond, what do they field, how well do they work together. all these are very important tactics to know before engaging an enemy. Or they suck at pvp.
Take advantage of this, learn to expect it. Use a corpe in an interceptor to tackle just one of them and roast him while his allies flee. See how they respond to that.
Basically, stop fighting a defensive war. Become the agressor and fight on your terms.
Originally by: ahleck
How likely do you think that this is all a setup by Corp A against corp AA?
This is where being a battlefield commander comes in handy, my job is just to go pew pew.
Internal affairs are a CEO's problem to worry about, try to make your best decision based on intuition. Remember, 9 out of 10 times, intuition is correct. If you think your allies are turning on you, then they should no longer be your allies.
Hope this helped.
Fly safe!
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.03.19 00:07:00 -
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I think the OP is a member of corp AA, not A. Telling him how A should advance the war is not productive, hes not in A, and in fact is questioning A's motives.
Also corp AA may be industrialists, who thought their PvP friends in A would protect them and fight the war. But for some reason fights are not happening, all that is happening is fleets flying about not fighting while AA sits waiting for A to handle the issue. So is A working with BCD to grief AA? Maybe. What to do?
Members of AA can learn to fight, then go out with A in fleets. It takes very little training to tackle or use an ECM frig. Both are effective in a well balanced fleet, and can make it much easier for the bigger ships to kill the enemy. If members of AA went out in fleets with A and A has it in for AA, it will become apparent real fast. But members of AA may just get no enjoyment from PvP, so....
AA members could make alts that stay in NPC corps and play those for the duration.
Or members of AA could just leave corp for the duration.
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Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
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Posted - 2011.03.19 00:54:00 -
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what about the children?
WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
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Usagi Tsukino
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.03.19 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: ahleck
...equal odds number wise.
Welp, there you go. A large number of corporations in this game won't fight you without blobbing or without massive logistics or ewar. Someone else mentioned it, but most people don't want 'goodfights.' They want killboard pad. It takes skill (not to be confused with skillpoints) to win in a 5 v 5, 10 v 10, etc...
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Ozmodan
Minmatar
Massively Mob
Massively Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.19 04:15:00 -
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Most mercenary companies that wardec in highsec are interested in only one thing, overwhelming odds. When they don't have them they don't fight.
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