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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.18 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Thor79 Guess it's too much to ask for people to try to use their brains and discuss a problem a portion of the community perceives as a problem.
Guess it's too much to ask that you provide a new and useful argument why it's a problem. You only say that it is "griefing", and then enumerate things that are standard tactics in warfare ù no mention of why it's griefing.
AFK cloaking is a counter to local. Why does this counter need (yet another) counter-counter? What are you willing to give up to get it?
Quote: Nothing but trolling in response.
You got plenty of constructive answers in response. Just because they're not the answer you like doesn't make it trolling. You just don't want to make use of the very obvious and very simple counters that exist. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Medarr
Amarr ZeroSec
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Posted - 2011.03.18 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Medarr on 18/03/2011 17:42:53
AFK Cloakers - Pic Related
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Myz Toyou
APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2011.03.18 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Myz Toyou on 18/03/2011 17:46:36
Originally by: Joe Skellington OP reminds me of this guy: Linkage
he said that he will come back to EVE if Ghostcrawler doesnt fix WoW
@ OP: Maybe you can team up with this guy and change EVE also to be a better place ( only for you ofc ).
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Dorian Wylde
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Posted - 2011.03.18 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: me me2 Edited by: me me2 on 18/03/2011 16:21:39
Threat reported as duplicate, rant, bottomless and trolling.
You cannot do anything when cloaked, that is the penalty of being cloaked.
If you want to mine for gold, go to WoW
This. It's your own fault if you're letting a single person doing absolutely nothing in your system scare you into inaction. I mined, ratted, and ran anomalies with afk cloakers all the time when I lived in null. Stop being a pansy.
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Evocationz
Amarr Minions for Mining
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Posted - 2011.03.18 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Thor79 Hi, my name is Thor79, i keep getting owned by cloaked pilots because i think i should be able to mine and rat in null sec as safely as i would do, say doing a level 4 in empire.
Fixed it for you. Im sick of whiney posts of pvp pilots who ***** and moan about the game when you have it easy. You wanted jumps made easier? You got jump bridges, you wanted big ships, they gave u capitals, u wanted a bad ass end all ship, u got a titan.
Now u want to make cloaks useless?
gtfo n l2p
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Zaratustra
People of Random Nature
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Posted - 2011.03.18 18:04:00 -
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So...
The OP is ok with cloaky people coming to kick his ass... but he isn't ok with people NOT coming to kick his ass right away?
I guess he isn't comfortable with the TEAM aspect of an MMO, or comfortable with the risk meaning there's ACTUAL RISK in the game...
When there was an AFK cloaker in my system, my corp and I would just travel in packs of 2-3 to do stuff.
I guess if the OP could use his brain (like he keeps saying we can't) he'd realize the counter to an AFK cloaker is teamwork.
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Mister Smithington
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Posted - 2011.03.18 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: Mister Smithington on 18/03/2011 18:06:23 The more thought I give it, the lulzier the topic becomes.
If afk cloaking in 0.0 is griefing, is it still griefing if I cloak up and actually sit and stare at my monitor? What is it when I afk cloak in empire? If I war dec you and afk cloak in jita, am I griefing you?
What if I go into a mining system in empire with a gank thorax and just afk at a safe spot. Shouldn't the hulk pilots be worried. Am I griefing them?
Just the suggestion that INACTION is a form of griefing is ridiculous.
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Illwill Bill
Reign of Anarchy
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Posted - 2011.03.18 18:05:00 -
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I once had this wierd idea about doing stuff together with my corpies, to prevent any ganks by a lone Arazu or bomber. Said and done, we made tonnes of ISK, where others barely dared to undock.
After a while, the cloakers started to try to bait people and light covert cynos. That's when we started to bait them back.
We got several good fights out of it.
Anyway, cloaking is fine as it is, although Local still has to go.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.03.18 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Thor79
When its used to impair the abilities of an alliance to function normally, that is griefing...
...meanwhile, those who do choose to play the game, can't function normally ....
Ok, all trolling aside, how is it stopping you from functioning normally? How is it stopping your lasers from activating, or trapping your ship from moving away? How is it stopping your alliance from functioning?
Answer: IT's not, there is no game mechanic exploit. The problem is you are scared, scared of losing your ship, scared of falling victim to a loan wolf.
Forgive me for being blunt, I'm not trying to insult you. But someone has to clue you into the harsh world of null sec. You said it yourself that you don't know if he's afk. for all you know he can be scanning down you and your friends, makeing an invetory of all your ships for his alliance. This is a psychological warefare tactic, and it's working as intended.
You said you played in high sec most of the time. you have gotten used to the warm fuzzy feeling of security that concord offers. This is 0.0, there is no security that you do not provide yourself. You will get attacked out here, and it will not be on your terms.
Basically, its time to nut up or shut up. if you want a security blanked, go back to high sec. If you want to remain out here with the big boys, form a fleet, protect your assets, and fight for your right to live in 0.0
Again, sorry if I offended, but it's the truth.
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Kalain ap'Sulen
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.03.18 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Thor79 You are choosing not to play the game, meanwhile, those who do choose to play the game, can't function normally because of the danger a neut or a red in system potentially poses. Even worse is a cloaked neut or red.
There is a counter to that tactic. That counter is simply a strong corporation/alliance that makes use of both communication and aid. There is simply no way that one red in a system will camp me out of making full use of the system that I live out of. While I may have to play smarter while making ISK (ie don't bring my billion ISK ship when my 300 Million ISK one can do the same job ratting albeit a bit slower).
Originally by: Thor79 How is it fair that when I take the time to go out and mine to try to make some isk, that my gameplay gets shut down effectively when someone else decides to go afk while cloaked in my system
ItÆs not. ItÆs not meant to be fair. It is meant to work. Period. Asset denial is an effective moral killer and in your case, to be frank it seems to be fairly effective.
Originally by: Thor79 You don't know they are afk, you have no idea when they could uncloak and lock you down and pod you.
Just so we have an understanding; you have now moved away from people 'afk' cloaking to complaining about people simply 'cloaking' that is bothering you.
Originally by: Thor79 (more often than not the cloakers in our systems are sporting strategic cruisers rather than covops frigates, so a miner or ratter really doesn't stand a chance).
So a cloaker that is in a ship that would be easily killed by you and your mining friends is now ok and fine. Just not the ships that someone has invested skill training time and in the upwards of 500 million isk in isnÆt. Awesome. We should look into having your perfect cloaking ship able to be both warp disrupted and take damage from tech II mining crystals while we are at it. (PS This last part is a complete troll.)
Quando ami flunkus morti. |
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Sentient Blade
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Posted - 2011.03.18 18:12:00 -
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Perma-cloaking is definitely a problem, I would propose the middle way, a ship scanner addition that registers a disturbance when a cloaked ship is within 100km or so.
This would not tell you the direction of the ship, but preferably the size of this disruption could tell you how big a threat it was.
For example a small disruption would be a stealth bomber or frigate. Whereas a Maelstrom battleship that's capable of alphaing an entire mining fleet would register as a much bigger disruption.
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Mister Smithington
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Posted - 2011.03.18 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: NinjaSpud Edited by: NinjaSpud on 18/03/2011 18:07:15
Originally by: Thor79
When its used to impair the abilities of an alliance to function normally, that is griefing...
...meanwhile, those who do choose to play the game, can't function normally ....
Ok, all trolling aside, how is it stopping you from functioning normally? How is it stopping your lasers from activating, or trapping your ship from moving away? How is it stopping your alliance from functioning?
Answer: IT's not, there is no game mechanic exploit. The problem is you are scared, scared of losing your ship, scared of falling victim to a loan wolf.
Forgive me for being blunt, I'm not trying to insult you. But someone has to clue you into the harsh world of null sec. You said it yourself that you don't know if he's afk. for all you know he can be scanning down you and your friends, makeing an invetory of all your ships for his alliance. This is a psychological warefare tactic, and it's working as intended.
You said you played in high sec most of the time. you have gotten used to the warm fuzzy feeling of security that concord offers. This is 0.0, there is no security that you do not provide yourself. You will get attacked out here, and it will not be on your terms.
Basically, its time to nut up or shut up. if you want a security blanked, go back to high sec. If you want to remain out here with the big boys, form a fleet, protect your assets, and fight for your right to live in 0.0
Again, sorry if I offended, but it's the truth.
Quoted for truth.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.18 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Smithington Just the suggestion that INACTION is a form of griefing is ridiculous.
[lulz] It's psychological warfare, man ! It's inhumane ! You should see the people coming out of mining ops in an AFK-cloaker-infested system ! They're not the same, man, they're not the same ! It's like all the life has gone out of their eyes, and they can't sleep at night ! [/lulz] _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts _
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Sentient Blade
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Posted - 2011.03.18 18:27:00 -
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Edited by: Sentient Blade on 18/03/2011 18:27:35 Okay sorry, let me rephrase.. a Maelstrom battleship capable of alphaing two mining barges at once.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.18 18:28:00 -
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Remove local and you remove the AFK cloakers ability to shut down entire systems full of bears.
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Henry Haphorn
Gallente Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.03.18 18:31:00 -
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As per the request of the OP, CCP should lock this thread. Clearly, no one wants to keep this discussion civilized as per the wishes of the OP. And I thought this kind of discussion happens in childish MMOs.
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Baaldor
Igneus Auctorita Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.03.18 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Henry Haphorn As per the request of the OP, CCP should lock this thread. Clearly, no one wants to keep this discussion civilized as per the wishes of the OP. And I thought this kind of discussion happens in childish MMOs.
He wanted this thread closed because we did not agree with him. Now his feelings are hurt and his ego a bit miffed.
I would question his juvenile behavior pouting and tossing his toys out his pram because no one liked his ideas.
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Mister Smithington
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Posted - 2011.03.18 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Henry Haphorn As per the request of the OP, CCP should lock this thread. Clearly, no one wants to keep this discussion civilized as per the wishes of the OP. And I thought this kind of discussion happens in childish MMOs.
Garbage in, garbage out. "Baaaaaaaawwwww, eve isn't fair QQ" is hardly a mature starting point.
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Henry Haphorn
Gallente Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.03.18 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Baaldor
Originally by: Henry Haphorn As per the request of the OP, CCP should lock this thread. Clearly, no one wants to keep this discussion civilized as per the wishes of the OP. And I thought this kind of discussion happens in childish MMOs.
He wanted this thread closed because we did not agree with him. Now his feelings are hurt and his ego a bit miffed.
I would question his juvenile behavior pouting and tossing his toys out his pram because no one liked his ideas.
Of course, if his original post had been child-like in nature (ie: waaaahhhhhh). But it wasn't. So, you could've politely disagreed with him. I disagree with him too. But since he asked for bit a civility, I wasn't able to dump all my negativity on him (see what happens when people say "please"?).
Originally by: Mister Smithington
Originally by: Henry Haphorn As per the request of the OP, CCP should lock this thread. Clearly, no one wants to keep this discussion civilized as per the wishes of the OP. And I thought this kind of discussion happens in childish MMOs.
Garbage in, garbage out. "Baaaaaaaawwwww, eve isn't fair QQ" is hardly a mature starting point.
Ok.
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CCP Adida
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.18 18:58:00 -
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Locking by request of the OP
Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online
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