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Derth Ramir	Posted - 2011.03.18 23:42:00 - [1] Seriously I thought low sec was supposed to be smaller gang warfare not a fun zone for bored alliances to *** to fight people in 0.0 and decide for a fun quick gank. I don't know if this issue has been addressed but I had a revelation today. It was that supers are near invincible in low sec. You can't bubble... so you have to use a heavy dictor with a script. So i'm pretty sure supers can basically ** heavy dictors. So as if they weren't hard enough to kill is null its even harder in low sec. I thought low sec was supposed to be more entry level/small-medium gangs pvp Anyways I would like to hear your guys thoughts on this issue. This thread will probably be shot down fairly quickly by all the elite super carrier 0.0 peeps that love chillin in low sec.
Mitsune Konno	Posted - 2011.03.19 02:58:00 - [2] Originally by: Derth Ramir Seriously I thought low sec was supposed to be smaller gang warfare not a fun zone for bored alliances to *** to fight people in 0.0 and decide for a fun quick gank. I don't know if this issue has been addressed but I had a revelation today. It was that supers are near invincible in low sec. You can't bubble... so you have to use a heavy dictor with a script. So i'm pretty sure supers can basically ** heavy dictors. So as if they weren't hard enough to kill is null its even harder in low sec. I thought low sec was supposed to be more entry level/small-medium gangs pvp Anyways I would like to hear your guys thoughts on this issue. This thread will probably be shot down fairly quickly by all the elite super carrier 0.0 peeps that love chillin in low sec. check the kb's. Low-sec supers don't last very long.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.03.19 13:53:00 - [3] Originally by: Mitsune Konno Originally by: Derth Ramir Seriously I thought low sec was supposed to be smaller gang warfare not a fun zone for bored alliances to *** to fight people in 0.0 and decide for a fun quick gank. I don't know if this issue has been addressed but I had a revelation today. It was that supers are near invincible in low sec. You can't bubble... so you have to use a heavy dictor with a script. So i'm pretty sure supers can basically ** heavy dictors. So as if they weren't hard enough to kill is null its even harder in low sec. I thought low sec was supposed to be more entry level/small-medium gangs pvp Anyways I would like to hear your guys thoughts on this issue. This thread will probably be shot down fairly quickly by all the elite super carrier 0.0 peeps that love chillin in low sec. check the kb's. Low-sec supers don't last very long. They dont last very long if you have 2 or 3 hictors plus your own supercarrier or at least 20 or so subcapitals. AKA as a blob vs the one super. Anything less and theyll smash your face in and go about their merry business. Agree with OP, balance them properly so theyre not imbalanced or ban them from low sec (or better altogether from eve) --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Valari Nala Zena Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2011.03.19 14:37:00 - [4] Actually, banning supers from lowsec doesn't sound so bad. Regular caps can stay though.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.03.19 16:40:00 - [5] Depending on what CCP cooks up to restrict force-projection, supers may have to be allowed in lowsec for basic travel purposes. Travel Option: They shouldn't be able to activate anything but low-slot modules while there. That means no cloak, set up towers if you want to move frequently - Risk/Reward. Combat Option: The eWar immunity is jammed by Empire border defences thus making them very vulnerable to the ravenous bugblatter beasts of low.
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.03.19 18:19:00 - [6] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Travel Option: They shouldn't be able to activate anything but low-slot modules while there. That means no cloak, set up towers if you want to move frequently - Risk/Reward. Because Wyverns and Hels don't have enough going against them?
DmitryEKT Waterboard	Posted - 2011.03.19 20:27:00 - [7] travel option: no drones can be launched and no remote effects (rr, dd, neuts, etc etc) in losec. basically you can move through and tank but thats it. seems fair enough, theres no real reason to be using supers in losec anyway
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.03.19 20:43:00 - [8] Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin Because Wyverns and Hels don't have enough going against them? Have to admit, I forgot they existed, never see anything but Aeons and Nyx's Tank modules if you have to be literal about it, happy now?
blazeyadeadhommie Martyr's Vengence	Posted - 2011.03.19 21:02:00 - [9] Hey QQ in hello kitty. if your in low sec or null sec you came to fight or at least know the risk. So if you can't take the heat GTFO and stop QQ'n about getting owned. I understand that the super carrier is OP but they will F something up for them soon enough. Until then just take it for what it is and play the game. Stop try'n to Nerf stuff you have no ability to use.
Flex Nebura Caldari	Posted - 2011.03.19 22:00:00 - [10] Originally by: Derth Ramir Seriously I thought low sec was supposed to be smaller gang warfare not a fun zone for bored alliances to ***** to fight people in 0.0 and decide for a fun quick gank. So you were wrong.. happends to the best of us.

Aamrr	Posted - 2011.03.19 22:55:00 - [11] Unfortunately, it's very difficult to get around Eve using JUST nullsec systems, even with a jump drive. Supercapitals need access to lowsec, especially because of their reduced jump range. That said, titans are already nerfed in lowsec: They can't use their doomsdays. I propose removing the ability to deploy fighter bombers in lowsec, so that supercarriers have a corresponding weakness. If someone wanted to remove their point immunity in lowsec, too, I wouldn't be against the change.
Pantorus Necraliss Minmatar Giza'Msafara	Posted - 2011.03.21 08:53:00 - [12] Originally by: Aamrr Unfortunately, it's very difficult to get around Eve using JUST nullsec systems, even with a jump drive. Supercapitals need access to lowsec, especially because of their reduced jump range. That said, titans are already nerfed in lowsec: They can't use their doomsdays. I propose removing the ability to deploy fighter bombers in lowsec, so that supercarriers have a corresponding weakness. If someone wanted to remove their point immunity in lowsec, too, I wouldn't be against the change. +1 - Giza'Msafara recrute, entrez dans une corporation au background solide.
GizzyBoy	Posted - 2011.03.21 12:48:00 - [13] yeah maybe stop fighter bombers in low, but i thought they already got nerfed against subcaps anyways? sadly force projection means, people would rather have another super on there side than another subcap. low sec has other issues that need fixing, but low sec is pretty much how the current residents have made it. Your never going to stop bored groups blobing then going on rampages just becuase you more interested in smaller gangs. If you want to do smaller gangs or 5-15 id suggest wh's. no sc's to worry about and with a bit of recon you can slowly work out worthy targets.
Echo Byteme	Posted - 2011.03.21 13:50:00 - [14] Edited by: Echo Byteme on 21/03/2011 13:53:22 crocodile tears.. got your ship popped by a super carrier in lowsec.. awhhh i am sorry. I vote for capitals in high sec! Oh wait why not nerf everything else while you are at it.. IBIS only in highsec!
King Rothgar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.03.21 14:22:00 - [15] Remove EW immunity from SC's, problem solved. I'd have many SC kills in low sec if only I could point them back. Sure you can bring a few HIC's, but HIC's cannot be RR'd while they point something and they are too easy to jam with the ECM burst. You can give them +10 warp core strength if you want, but ffs allow the other 99% of ships in eve to point them. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig.
Xhondo Dhoru	Posted - 2011.03.21 14:32:00 - [16] Edited by: Xhondo Dhoru on 21/03/2011 14:36:41 This would only boost station humpery. If anything that needs a nerf. Originally by: Derth Ramir Seriously I thought low sec was supposed to be smaller gang warfare not a fun zone for bored alliances to ***** to fight people in 0.0 and decide for a fun quick gank. Your problem is nullsec alliances abusing their force projection, not lowsec supers. There are more than a few lowsec corps who can field a decent amount of supercarriers. The issue is more so that they can't compete with the 100+ supercap blobs formed by dozen-region-wide nullsec coalitions. Nerf the superblobs and do something about lowsec station humpery THEN we can talk about supers in lowsec.
Zwyggy Zythum	Posted - 2011.03.21 15:07:00 - [17] Low-sec players are always complaining that there isn't enough PvP. Then when some comes around. They complain that there is too much.
King Rothgar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.03.21 16:40:00 - [18] Except that isn't the complaint at all. Nice troll attempt though. Very subtle. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig.
Sig Sour	Posted - 2011.03.21 17:18:00 - [19] Originally by: Infinity Ziona They dont last very long if you have 20 or 30 hictors plus your own supercarrier or at least 20 or so subcapitals. FTFY. You have to be a supernublet SC pilot to get tackled by anything less than 17 hics in low sec. (go back to your hulk)
Val'Dore Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided	Posted - 2011.03.21 20:17:00 - [20] Edited by: Val''Dore on 21/03/2011 20:17:51 Wormhole space is looking more and more attractive the more and more time I spend in low sec. The biggest thing you will find in W-space is a Nidhoggur in someone's w-home system. ~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~ Tiericide

Marija Vanszar Caldari	Posted - 2011.03.21 20:22:00 - [21] Originally by: Val'Dore Edited by: Val''Dore on 21/03/2011 20:17:51 Wormhole space is looking more and more attractive the more and more time I spend in low sec. The biggest thing you will find in W-space is a Nidhoggur in someone's w-home system. which is only used for closing whs or capital escalations :-) taliban gang tactics ftw.
Val'Dore Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided	Posted - 2011.03.21 20:34:00 - [22] Originally by: Marija Vanszar Originally by: Val'Dore Edited by: Val''Dore on 21/03/2011 20:17:51 Wormhole space is looking more and more attractive the more and more time I spend in low sec. The biggest thing you will find in W-space is a Nidhoggur in someone's w-home system. which is only used for closing whs or capital escalations :-) taliban gang tactics ftw. And POS Repping, but yeah. You won't see them much regardless, unless you are cloak stalking the corp noting their habits. ~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~ Tiericide
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.03.22 06:16:00 - [23] Originally by: Sig Sour PQPQ. Im a fail poster (goin back to my hulk) have fun with that. --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2011.03.22 12:13:00 - [24] Originally by: Derth Ramir Seriously I thought low sec was supposed to be smaller gang warfare no, dont think so. Lowsec is rather for ******s, pussies and wannabe-evil-piwates, who are afraid of 0.0.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.03.22 13:08:00 - [25] Only if you define fear as not wanting to spend 75% of ones fighting time looking at an Eve themed wallpaper and whining about the injustice of not having 120fps when blobbing like a moron ..
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2011.03.22 13:46:00 - [26] who is the moron?? I would say, one, who doesnt realize that there is a lot of small/med scale pvp in 0.0, as long as you dont start sovgames...
Goose99	Posted - 2011.03.22 14:57:00 - [27] Originally by: Robert Caldera who is the moron?? I would say, one, who doesnt realize that there is a lot of small/med scale pvp in 0.0, as long as you dont start sovgames... Small scale on one side, perhaps. Like camping a gate.
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2011.03.22 15:26:00 - [28] camping a gate is not specific to 0.0. In lowsecs there are plenty of gatecamps also. The only difference is bubbles make them somewhat more effective (as some other pvp aspects of eve).
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.03.22 15:38:00 - [29] If you can't build it in low sec, you shouldn't be able to field it in low sec. +1
blazeyadeadhommie Martyr's Vengence	Posted - 2011.03.22 17:13:00 - [30] really people if you can't fly one you should have no say in how they can or can't be flown. If you are mad because they hotdropped you Get out of low sec and do your missions and stop QQ'n in the forums how unfair it is that a person has the isk to buy it and the balls to use it does with his time. Seriously stop. One day you to may get a chance to fly a super and you may regret ever saying these ideas out loud. Supers will soon enough get the nerf they need in the places they need it but low sec is not that place and certainly not the E-WAR immunity. Low sec is suppose to be for pirates and players to scared to go to null sec. Null sec is where you find small gangs getting kills and medium sized gangs terrorizing locals. Blob warfare is a sov. mechanic now and you need huge fleets to take systems. They don't take 500 man fleets to roam. they take them to pos's and sov shoots. So if you don't know whats going on for a fact don't comment.

akira1999	Posted - 2011.03.22 17:41:00 - [31] hmm 80 billion isk later and i can't f*$k up people in lowsec cause people cry over it?? hmm i don't think so. it is simple.. you in lowsec.. expect anyting from a dramiel to a nyx to land on you. and besides.. for POS bashes and POS defense fleets.. having a super cap available to hot drop is valid tactics. might suck being on the receiving end of a supercap hot drop.. but the screen shots and stories of the fight would be great.
Harkster	Posted - 2011.03.23 20:22:00 - [32] Things are fine the way they are. If you nerf them then who would want to use them in low sec and deprive people of the satisfying ~20 bil kill.
Gizznitt Malikite Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2011.03.23 20:41:00 - [33] Supers in lowsec are fine.... Although a serious nerf to SC damage against subcapitals would greatly improve this game!!!
TharOkha	Posted - 2011.03.24 07:23:00 - [34] Originally by: Gizznitt Malikite Supers in lowsec are fine.... Although a serious nerf to SC damage against subcapitals would greatly improve this game!!! Titans cant fire DD in lowsec, so SC shouldnt be able to deploy bombers too.
Tub Chil	Posted - 2011.03.24 08:14:00 - [35] There is no reason to remove supers from lowsec just: 1) nerf supercarriers so that they are tier II carriers not tier 150 (as some dev said at CSM meeting) 2) Nerf cyno so that crrier fleet cannot land right on top of 10 man BC gang. 3) Don't allow titans to bridge in lowsec (that's actually the only lowsec related change) Titans already are unable to DD in low.
James Razor Amarr The Executives	Posted - 2011.03.24 10:32:00 - [36] So, will we be going to nerf all good stuff now because someone is unable to counter it? I tell u what: Look at the KBs of the Drone Russians and the NC and u will see that SuperCapitals can die like flies as every other shiptype can. Someone who can field a SuperCarrier will be able to pwn you even without it in most cases. If u are fighting someone out of your league, u have to live with the fact that u can be beaten. AND: No one stops u from getting your own SuperCarrier. What needs to be done is a change to the Dreadnoughts, to make them worth to use again and remove the 10min Sitting Duck feature or at least cut down the time of it. SuperCarriers are just fine atm, Bombers are allready only effective against Capitals and POS Mods (something that i'd like to see changed again). And just to help the Ops get a better view: In Eve there are no combat areas. So saying that LowSec is for Small Gang PvP is simply wrong. I was part of big fleet battles in LowSec with couple of hundred guys on each side, when we attacked or defended High Value Moons. Most of the time u simply dont need such fleets in LowSec, but that doesnt mean u can not use them. And btw.: If u know there is a SuperCap active in an Area, there is plenty of ppl around that cant wait for a such a kill that would just love to help u out. U just need to look around a bit and that SuperCap will be very dead very fast.


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