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Inquisitor Cerberuso
Amarr Hounds of Helll
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Posted - 2011.03.20 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Salvatore Pizanno @ All,
I think the major issue is this... With RL economy crashing all over the world Iceland about to be bankrupt. All business are just trying to stay alive. If we were to see the financial records for CCP Online we would see that a lot of the problems are due to a very tight budget. We face a real life threat of CCP claiming bankruptcy and the only way to fix it is have one of these Russian billionaires pay of the debt.
My two cents
No most of the problems are alliances like yours buying isk, buying caps and sending them into a system KNOWINGLY WILLING to crash the node.
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Salvatore Pizanno
Gallente United Kings R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.20 21:54:00 -
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Edited by: Salvatore Pizanno on 20/03/2011 21:56:26
Originally by: Inquisitor Cerberuso
Originally by: Salvatore Pizanno @ All,
I think the major issue is this... With RL economy crashing all over the world Iceland about to be bankrupt. All business are just trying to stay alive. If we were to see the financial records for CCP Online we would see that a lot of the problems are due to a very tight budget. We face a real life threat of CCP claiming bankruptcy and the only way to fix it is have one of these Russian billionaires pay of the debt.
My two cents
No most of the problems are alliances like yours buying isk, buying caps and sending them into a system KNOWINGLY WILLING to crash the node.
The major issue is that CCP Online is going through some RL financial issues and cannot pay everyone so budget cuts are made in several departments. Budget cuts and not enough workers will put a strain in any business. The only way for them to be stable again is to accept bribes from RL Russian Billionaires. I bet if CCP Online were to publish their 2010 Financial Reports you will see areas of charitable donations coming from sources in Russia.
MTC
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Dawn Harbinger
Amarr Knights of the Silver Dawn Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.20 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: Dawn Harbinger on 20/03/2011 22:21:25
Originally by: xKillswitchx So my call you all of you in the various alliances and corps, it to petition CCP about this problem and let them know how dissatisfied with their ability to manage their own network. We all pay real money to play this game, its only fair that they hold up their end of the bargain and fix their systems.
Uh, no.
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Hired Assasin
Amarr Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.03.20 22:54:00 -
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i wish ccp would rollback to dominion, used to beable to handle 1000+ without reinforced node, now anything above 600 - 700 is best to get it reinforced they have lost the efficency the severs/code used to have.
1500 man current day fight laggs like a 2500 old style fight.
but i guess some people are too blind to notice that.
also for all the massive fleet haters, for now on we will contact the enemy before a fight and we will come to an agreement on how many of each ship we will bring, we will collect api of every blue and red pilot and make sure the SP ballance is as close as possible, then with pritty much exact same fleet compisition and skillpoints, we will take in turns of shooting. first one side shoots a volly, then next the other side shoots a volly.
and we will battle this out honorably like everyone else trolling in this thread wants
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Chaosmancer
Caldari Missions Mining and Mayhem Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.03.20 23:03:00 -
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This is the reality; massive coalition battles lag. It have always been this way as the coalitions have grown one step ahead of CCP's measures against the lag. It will probably always be this way too. If you can't take the lag, then don't join up with alliances who specialise in it.
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Manfred Sideous
Amarr H A V O C Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.03.20 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Chaosmancer This is the reality; massive coalition battles lag. It have always been this way as the coalitions have grown one step ahead of CCP's measures against the lag. It will probably always be this way too. If you can't take the lag, then don't join up with alliances who specialise in it.
Not for long subscriber rates are falling for 5 straight months. Game is dieing unless :CCPEGGIN1BASKET: Incarna does what they hope and bring people to the game. Except Incarna has no actual content other than a dressing room so v0v ________________________________________________
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.20 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Manfred Sideous
Not for long subscriber rates are falling for 5 straight months.
You keep saying this on multiple sites, but I've yet to see you post one solid bit of evidence to support it.
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gala gidas
Amarr Parental Control HELL4S
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Posted - 2011.03.20 23:28:00 -
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Hey OP, thanks for the good laugh m8.I havent logged for 2-3 days now but you just made me want to log in. For every tear thread like this you make so people can lol at you i ll be sending 10 MIL. Seriously, this is bio stuff
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gala gidas
Amarr Parental Control HELL4S
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Posted - 2011.03.20 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hired Assasin i wish ccp would rollback to dominion, used to beable to handle 1000+ without reinforced node, now anything above 600 - 700 is best to get it reinforced they have lost the efficency the severs/code used to have.
1500 man current day fight laggs like a 2500 old style fight.
but i guess some people are too blind to notice that.
also for all the massive fleet haters, for now on we will contact the enemy before a fight and we will come to an agreement on how many of each ship we will bring, we will collect api of every blue and red pilot and make sure the SP ballance is as close as possible, then with pritty much exact same fleet compisition and skillpoints, we will take in turns of shooting. first one side shoots a volly, then next the other side shoots a volly.
and we will battle this out honorably like everyone else trolling in this thread wants
Noone hates blob-lagfests.Look how many nice people are laughing at you.It is clear though that you are mad...Go make a CTA about it
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Meno Theaetetus
Gallente Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.03.20 23:48:00 -
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All good points, blobbers getting what they deserve, good game, good game.
but... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGplrpWvz0I&feature=player_detailpage#t=72s
Game is advertised as supporting alliances of thousands of people.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.20 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Meno Theaetetus All good points, blobbers getting what they deserve, good game, good game.
but... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGplrpWvz0I&feature=player_detailpage#t=72s
Game is advertised as supporting alliances of thousands of people.
I couldn't find the scene in that sexy trailer where they monkey piled them all into the same system.
seriously though, how does this surprise you still, did you start playing last week or something. When you go into a fight with 1800 people in local, you are gambling with the lag gods, sometimes you bust.
This is how it's always been, you know this, yet you still keep doing it and complain when lag hits you.
And before you say what are you meant to do with your 1000man fleets, how about you reset some of your neighbours and have some fun for a change. ---
I does like have spaceship vids n stuff
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Hired Assasin
Amarr Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.03.20 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: gala gidas
Originally by: Hired Assasin relevent stuff
hater is hating
your tears, they fuel my ship
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Meno Theaetetus
Gallente Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.03.21 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Meno Theaetetus All good points, blobbers getting what they deserve, good game, good game.
but... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGplrpWvz0I&feature=player_detailpage#t=72s
Game is advertised as supporting alliances of thousands of people.
I couldn't find the scene in that sexy trailer where they monkey piled them all into the same system.
seriously though, how does this surprise you still, did you start playing last week or something. When you go into a fight with 1800 people in local, you are gambling with the lag gods, sometimes you bust.
This is how it's always been, you know this, yet you still keep doing it and complain when lag hits you.
And before you say what are you meant to do with your 1000man fleets, how about you reset some of your neighbours and have some fun for a change.
So your saying that they advertise a game that allows thousands of people on one side, but in a game about spaceship pvp that doesn't extend to fighting together? Just because PL grease themselves up and slide around eve doesn't make that the correct or incorrect way to play the game. We choose to play the eve online were you hold space. In today's game due to the games age the community is very polarised, that may be the NC's doing but it was an inevitable snowball promoted by ccp's advertising and flawed game mechanic.
I would actually really love it if the situation changed, but that is only going to come from a change in game mechanic, to prevent coalitions from fighting all on one side. Again I agree that this may be a monster of our(nc) own creation, but we are here none the less, we either fight the way we do or we loose everything. We look to CCP to either change the game mechanic, which tbh based on current technology is the only option, or increase the node performance. If they can't fix the lag by increasing clock speed, or rewriting the code, then change the game mechanic so that it forces smaller fleet sizes.
That may be the end of the NC, but after being in NC for three years, I would prefer to play in a fun game were fighting is about tactics and strategy without having to give up everything I've worked for for the last three years.
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Spurty
Caldari V0LTA VOLTA Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.21 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: Spurty on 21/03/2011 00:15:01 Poasting in a thread containing nuts ( and no warning label )
Some of you guys have your tin foil hats on a bit tight.
NC you appear to be the butt of your own joke
Hoppit!
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dastommy79
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.03.21 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Meno Theaetetus lots of words
hey how you been?
I too am outraged about this subject matter.
I role play ewok
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Garst Tyrell
Amarr No.Mercy Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.03.21 00:23:00 -
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"Now our alliance and the entire NC is engaged "
make your bed now sleep in it
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Lee ChanKa
Minmatar WEPRA CORP WILD BOARS
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Posted - 2011.03.21 00:24:00 -
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i support CCP to cut off moons income so both sides(in this case NC and DR) cant blob anymore with 213127389127 titans and 213291392103129 SC with 3204720947209347920 bomb fighters
if they do that they will kill also major power blocks, so no bloobs anymore at least in this numbers
till then keep ****ING crying because you get in system 3k ppl and say OMG ITC LAG AAAA WHAT TO DO go play ****ing pvp in WOW arena with 10 ppl and lag from magics
i say to CCP before 2 years this will happened to ****ing game if they don't cut off moons
wait 1 more year and you will say CCP CANT FIX LAG ONLY 6000 OF US FIGHTING IN ONE SYSTEM
regard lee aka ewqi
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.21 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Meno Theaetetus
I would actually really love it if the situation changed, but that is only going to come from a change in game mechanic, to prevent coalitions from fighting all on one side.
No game mechanic is going to ever prevent people fighting on the same side and making massive powerblocs if that's what they desire. I'm not questioning your play style at all, if you want to build castles in the sand pit in todays eve, you need a huge fleet to defend them. By putting more people in the system than the server can handle ensures that there is no fight and the castle remains.
What I am questioning is your surprise that these types of battles are not fun. Big fights are laggy, if you want to do it, carry on but don't blame CCP when it is your choice to do so.
I think it sucks when you blackscreen or don't load grid, and I can empathise a little, but I choose not to do it any more. ---
I does like have spaceship vids n stuff
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Meno Theaetetus
Gallente Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.03.21 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: dastommy79
Originally by: Meno Theaetetus lots of words
hey how you been?
I too am outraged about this subject matter.
lol, yeah not too bad.
....oh dear more words coming I think.
On another note though I don't think mass petitioning ccp is going to do anything but get you a warning from a senior gm, and I don't think complaining is going to do any good, CCP have been stubborn about lag ever since some WOW type developer laughed at them and told them they were crazy to have one un-sharded server. 6 or so years later they are not going to turn around and admit they were wrong.
It's too expensive to re-write the code so if you want to do small scale pvp then join a smaller alliance, if you want to play in 1000+ fleet fights, quit the game and wait for a more modern game to emerge that can offer that from day one.
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Salvatore Pizanno
Gallente United Kings R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.21 00:30:00 -
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The main reality is this... CCP is on a financial downturn. They cannot keep up with the demands that players want. It cost too much money to hire good developers and experienced gms to handle claims. Not to mention pay for new upgraded super computers to create a fun smooth game environment.
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gala gidas
Amarr Parental Control HELL4S
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Posted - 2011.03.21 01:01:00 -
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Edited by: gala gidas on 21/03/2011 01:01:31
Originally by: Salvatore Pizanno The main reality is this... CCP is on a financial downturn. They cannot keep up with the demands that players want. It cost too much money to hire good developers and experienced gms to handle claims. Not to mention pay for new upgraded super computers to create a fun smooth game environment.
Even if they do that,it costs even more money for them to find better players to play the game.You just cant understand that the problem isnt the game its simply you. Everyone is happy with the current situation.Your "leaders" are happy you dont have time asking where all that ISK goes,CCP is happy having thousands of low level players busy in blobs. I am not a PVP expert and i will never be one.But the tear threads you are making doesnt have to do with PVP tactics,they have to do with your attitude as players.I am making a wild guess but the majority of the blob players are the ones that actually pay to play this game comparing with players from smaller(smarter)entities. So seriously,why even try to fix something that actually works for everyone?You are gonna log in tomorrow to join other CTAs to defend other people ISK anyeay,arent you?.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.21 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Meno Theaetetus
So your saying that they advertise a game that allows thousands of people on one side, but in a game about spaceship pvp that doesn't extend to fighting together?
Yes.
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Helios888
Caldari Mercenaries of Andosia Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.03.21 01:11:00 -
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Edited by: Helios888 on 21/03/2011 01:12:21
Originally by: Salvatore Pizanno The main reality is this... CCP is on a financial downturn. They cannot keep up with the demands that players want. It cost too much money to hire good developers and experienced gms to handle claims. Not to mention pay for new upgraded super computers to create a fun smooth game environment.
You're precious.
Stop bringing your cousins to win your fights for you and experience the thrill of (mostly) lag- free combat without the safety net.
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StarTrotter
Gallente Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.03.21 01:17:00 -
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The point is that we are a significant part of the player base, our game expeirance shoudnt be disrupted because of how CCP want US to play.
I dont evny their job, but we pay them to play this game, they dont pay us. armor hacs Armor Hacs ARMOR HACS!!!! |
Mr Blue
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.21 01:23:00 -
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Eat **** NC. You made your own bed. Quiet the irony that u complain about lag, when thats what u mostly want to achive. Lag makes the outcome of fighting more random as the effect of the lag varys.
Since ure skills is ****, lag gives u a 50/50 to get the upperhand. Well, NC, seems today wasnt ure day, and u felt how it was rly is( like. And now u complain about how ure own poo tastes like?
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Soldarius
Caldari Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.21 01:24:00 -
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For my part, when I fleet up for these bring it all fights, I expect to get lagged out. So no use complaining about the situation, especially if it is caused by what we (the players on both sides) are doing.
Players, HTFU, or change tactics. CCP, moar hamsters! Or upgrade to gerbils. You ever watched a hamster? How often do they actually get in the wheel and run? Hamsters are fat lazy little porkers. Gerbils > hamsters.
Originally by: CCP Shadow ...I cannot guarantee (my) sobriety or decency.
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Col Callahan
Caldari Boogie Monsters
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Posted - 2011.03.21 01:45:00 -
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Edited by: Col Callahan on 21/03/2011 01:46:03
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: xKillswitchx The DRF actually bring blobs of over 1000+ to these fights as well so its not just an NC thing.
Actually, they bring fleets of that size because of the fleets the NC brings.
Its been that way for years now.
If the NC expects to fight, it brings everybody in the coalition, no man left behind, and so the group on the other end of your fight has to bring something similar or there's no chance of survival for them.
You are creating your own in game hell, which could be avoided if you just fought your own fights, on an alliance level, or if the Geminate faction fought its fights and left the other 3 regions of people home.
Here in the south we've had fights that range in the 600 man range, and never once has the lag been so bad that the game comes anywhere near the catastrophe you see up north dealing with the 'NC'.
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Why? because I'm lazy and the point that is right has already been made. You reap what you sow guys, deal with it or change your ways. . . . I heard you the last time. |
Rex Mundus
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.21 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: StarTrotter The point is that we are a significant part of the player base, our game expeirance shoudnt be disrupted because of how CCP want US to play. Quote:
Yes, hardly democratic is it? The larger force should always win
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fpshacker
Gallente Zor Industries Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.21 02:12:00 -
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Hey guys why didn't you cry about this when you killed the Russian titans who never loaded grid in low sec? Eve was clearly broken then yet you didn't whine about it, neither did the Russians. Now that the NC are the ones losing the titans they bawwwwww about lag everywhere. Admit it you don't care about the lag, the fact that huge coalitions can lag out nodes is the best thing to ever happen to the NC, it allowed them to blob out every smaller alliance they fought.
Guess its not going to work the same way against the Russians, cry more nc o/
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Trina Forrest
Caldari Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.03.21 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: fpshacker Hey guys why didn't you cry about this when you killed the Russian titans who never loaded grid in low sec? Eve was clearly broken then yet you didn't whine about it, neither did the Russians. Now that the NC are the ones losing the titans they bawwwwww about lag everywhere. Admit it you don't care about the lag, the fact that huge coalitions can lag out nodes is the best thing to ever happen to the NC, it allowed them to blob out every smaller alliance they fought.
Guess its not going to work the same way against the Russians, cry more nc o/
To be honest some of us did. I petitoned ccp to fix the laggy situation with every major engagement regardless of the winners. Why? Because I believe for this game to continue to be successful ccp needs to offer all different play styles. I don't demand a whole lot, but I do specifically remember ccp having a commercial about eve saying "come fly in thousand man fleets".
No if eve was truly honest with advertisement it would be "come grind boring ass lvl 4 missions, fall asleep mining, or grind to a complete stand still in epic fleets".
This is my outlet of entertainment as it is for everyone else who isn't a troll. I enjoy big fights, gg's, and epic wins AND epic loses.
To be honest I'm glad Russians brought it when they won when we lost titans, they brought it when we killed their supers, and they brought it when we exchanged loses. Fights a GG all around.
For this to continue CCP needs to be able to provide this entertainment with effectively decreasing lag. Or outright limit how many people can be in any specific system if they do not have the ability to support massive fleets.
Either way for eve to survive it needs to be more entertaining than just plain frustrating. In the end regardless of anyone who wants to admit it we all need each other to make the game continue to exist. If CCP loses a large portion of their subscribers then the game will no longer exist. High sec, low sec, pirates, carbears, reds, blues, PL, Russians, NC, doesn't matter.
This game should always proceed in a positive direction, and the players need to NOT be complacent with "meh its ****ing good enough because it doesn't affect me"
No.. but sooner or later it will affect enough people to quit then you lose your epeen low sec ganking or high sec lvl 4's.
Food for thought.
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