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xKillswitchx Caldari Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.03.20 15:11:00 - [1] Pilots of EVE, I am writing to you while I am experiencing ôsoul crushing lagö according to CCP. Now our alliance and the entire NC is engaged in a massive fight in o2o to rid ourselves of the DRF that have decided they wanted to live in Geminate. Now our alliance FCs have also petitioned CCP to let them know in advance of our fleet fight that we would be having it, what system and time it would take place. Now CCP has for years told us all to mail them in advance of when a big fleet fight would take place so they could reinforce the node. Now despite us doing this, CCP has failed once again to hold up their end of the bargain and reinforce the node so it could be able to experience the massive amount of pilots that would be in o2o. So my call you all of you in the various alliances and corps, it to petition CCP about this problem and let them know how dissatisfied with their ability to manage their own network. We all pay real money to play this game, its only fair that they hold up their end of the bargain and fix their systems.
DethApostle Amarr Quam Singulari Session Changes	Posted - 2011.03.20 15:16:00 - [2] Edited by: DethApostle on 20/03/2011 15:17:00 The soul crushing lag you speak of, seems to only be a problem when it affects you. Maybe you should pay your isk to play for an alliance that doesn't have a policy of bring more people to crash the node. edit: my speel r b4d Insert ironic sig here
Captain Thunk Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.03.20 15:23:00 - [3] I think being the biggest Blob in the game, keeping quiet when you induce "soul crushing lag" on others then creating several threads complaining that something needs to be done to allow your own blob to move around and shoot because you've managed to lag yourselves out with your own fleet is pretty funny. Perhaps you could create a few more threads for my amusement.
xKillswitchx Caldari Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.03.20 15:26:00 - [4] The point is that we all pay money to play this game and CCP has said they have improved their ability to handle these types of fights and they haven't. If people would continue to petition CCP about it, perhaps we can get them to take some sort of action. The goal is for people in various corps and alliances to band together and file mass petitions.
DethApostle Amarr Quam Singulari Session Changes	Posted - 2011.03.20 15:30:00 - [5] Sounds like someone complaining about rain while ****ing in the wind. Insert ironic sig here
Captain Thunk Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.03.20 15:33:00 - [6] Originally by: xKillswitchx The point is that we all pay money to play this game and CCP has said they have improved their ability to handle these types of fights and they haven't. If people would continue to petition CCP about it, perhaps we can get them to take some sort of action. The goal is for people in various corps and alliances to band together and file mass petitions. To the best of my knowledge it's only the NC that brings fleets of a thousand these days. It's only you who needs to mass petition to "fix" the game so it suits your particular playstyle.
Horizonist Gallente Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.03.20 15:35:00 - [7] Originally by: Captain Thunk Originally by: xKillswitchx The point is that we all pay money to play this game and CCP has said they have improved their ability to handle these types of fights and they haven't. If people would continue to petition CCP about it, perhaps we can get them to take some sort of action. The goal is for people in various corps and alliances to band together and file mass petitions. To the best of my knowledge it's only the NC that brings fleets of a thousand these days. It's only you who needs to mass petition to "fix" the game so it suits your particular playstyle. +1
Myz Toyou Minmatar APOCALYPSE LEGION	Posted - 2011.03.20 15:40:00 - [8] xKillswitchx = Francis
xKillswitchx Caldari Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.03.20 15:48:00 - [9] you know it's ya'alls game to. If you don't care about it then so be it. But there are others that do and CCP will never do anything about a problem with the game mechanics unless people call them out on it. And for your information. The DRF actually bring blobs of over 1000+ to these fights as well so its not just an NC thing. The whole point which some of you teanagers are missing, is CCP says they have fixed these problems but they haven't. We as players need to continue to spam CCP with petitions to get them to fix it. So whine and say what you want about me but you all know its the truth. CCP has given us more and more game contect that is worthless and doesn't solve the problem. I urge you all to petition them to get them to take notice.
Myz Toyou Minmatar APOCALYPSE LEGION	Posted - 2011.03.20 15:52:00 - [10] Edited by: Myz Toyou on 20/03/2011 15:54:57 Originally by: xKillswitchx you know it's ya'alls game to. No, my game is fleets less then 20 ppl in it. Go die ( lagged out ) in a fire ( ingame ). Suck up what you are responsible for.

Buxaroo Gallente Versatech Co. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.03.20 15:57:00 - [11] I'm getting serious ****ing wood from these lag threads
EOH Minigin Caldari Eve Online Hold'Em ISK Six	Posted - 2011.03.20 16:00:00 - [12] Originally by: Captain Thunk I think being the biggest Blob in the game, keeping quiet when you induce "soul crushing lag" on others then creating several threads complaining that something needs to be done to allow your own blob to move around and shoot because you've managed to lag yourselves out with your own fleet is pretty funny. Perhaps you could create a few more threads for my amusement. clapping my hands (and quoting) because i am happy and i know it. WANNA PLAY POKER IN EVE FOR ISK???? www.eohpoker.com
Myb Minmatar V0LTA VOLTA Corp	Posted - 2011.03.20 16:06:00 - [13] U are the ones (NC) that started all this s h i t u should pay the price for it. All NC are hypacritcal b a s t a r d s Enjoy ur cluster f u c k
EOH Minigin Caldari Eve Online Hold'Em ISK Six	Posted - 2011.03.20 16:10:00 - [14] Originally by: xKillswitchx you know it's ya'alls game to. If you don't care about it then so be it. But there are others that do and CCP will never do anything about a problem with the game mechanics unless people call them out on it. And for your information. The DRF actually bring blobs of over 1000+ to these fights as well so its not just an NC thing. The whole point which some of you teanagers are missing, is CCP says they have fixed these problems but they haven't. We as players need to continue to spam CCP with petitions to get them to fix it. So whine and say what you want about me but you all know its the truth. CCP has given us more and more game contect that is worthless and doesn't solve the problem. I urge you all to petition them to get them to take notice. please... do tell us simple teenagers how you would solve lag once and for all? it is after all so easy, just a matter of devoting a bunch of people to it!!! the problem never gets bigger by nature! WANNA PLAY POKER IN EVE FOR ISK???? www.eohpoker.com
Grath Telkin Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.03.20 16:11:00 - [15] Originally by: xKillswitchx The DRF actually bring blobs of over 1000+ to these fights as well so its not just an NC thing. Actually, they bring fleets of that size because of the fleets the NC brings. Its been that way for years now. If the NC expects to fight, it brings everybody in the coalition, no man left behind, and so the group on the other end of your fight has to bring something similar or there's no chance of survival for them. You are creating your own in game hell, which could be avoided if you just fought your own fights, on an alliance level, or if the Geminate faction fought its fights and left the other 3 regions of people home. Here in the south we've had fights that range in the 600 man range, and never once has the lag been so bad that the game comes anywhere near the catastrophe you see up north dealing with the 'NC'.
Drift Spec Minmatar Spricer	Posted - 2011.03.20 16:35:00 - [16] Edited by: Drift Spec on 20/03/2011 16:37:13 Edited by: Drift Spec on 20/03/2011 16:36:49 tldr version We lost (again) to DRF so lets start crying again . The ather funny part is that there is nomore molle`s alliance in game , so NC is the bad allince now :)
Orideth Caldari Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.03.20 16:42:00 - [17] I remember back in my more n00bish days when packing 200 into local caused lag to throw her ** into the hamster wheel, flinging fecal matter throughout the system. Then came fights of local 400... Then 800... then 1200... I had a point, but now all I can think of is hamsters covered in lag's *** running their little legs as fast as they can... Kill a Titan, save a hamster.
Hyveres Caldari Resilience. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.03.20 17:20:00 - [18] Well my personal experience is that 1200ish + reinforced node and the lag is managable, or 6-700 on nonreinforced node for laggy but managable. Go above that and its kinda meh, but its a rather significant improvement over how it was a few years back. But when looking at the large coalition odds are they wont be happy untill servers support every active pilot in 0.0 in 1 system seeing as thats how they like to roll. There is no "overkill." There is only "open fire" and "I need to reload."
Hothnogg Minmatar Versatech Co. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.03.20 17:23:00 - [19] Edited by: Hothnogg on 20/03/2011 17:23:01 suck it up m8 , u know that it called lag-online, so grow some , pick yourself up dust yourself, get back in there
Metal Dude Gallente Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.03.20 17:34:00 - [20] My god, have I finally gotten to some people? PL is now saying the exact same thing I have been saying for years, now that they are on the other side of the blob. Good for you, but don't forget that originally you are the ones that put this huge coalition together. You made the bed, now you must sleep in it. As for poor NC whining about fixing the game, the way CCP needs to fix this whole NAP fest is implement a stacking penalty on blue standing just like they did on modules. Bring more, do less damage and die faster. Lag problem solved. The truth will set you free

xXxSatsujinxXx Gallente Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2011.03.20 17:43:00 - [21] You will always ** the server. If the system can only handle 500 vs 500, then you can guarantee that people will ram 600 vs 600 in there and then moan about lag. CCP will improve it to 600 vs 600, and you'll cram 700 vs 700 in there and *** like little girls. How is it, that with thousands of you doing this, nobody has realized that yet? HTFU, nobody is forcing you to fleet up.
darius mclever Gallente Merchants of Lore	Posted - 2011.03.20 17:54:00 - [22] "The spirits that I called" (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe)
Badmuts Caldari StarHunt R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.20 17:55:00 - [23] ccp never can fix lagg .
Gravemind GER Caldari Community for Justice Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.03.20 17:58:00 - [24] Originally by: xXxSatsujinxXx HTFU, nobody is forcing you to fleet up. but the federations propaganda is forcing me to go fleet U SIR ARE A SPAI!
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.03.20 18:00:00 - [25] Originally by: Metal Dude PL is now saying the exact same thing I have been saying for years, now that they are on the other side of the blob. Good for you, but don't forget that originally you are the ones that put this huge coalition together. You made the bed, now you must sleep in it. You appear to have taken a bang on the head again. PL were not even in this fight, we have been enjoying fleet fights for quite some time with no black screens. I have no idea how you came to the conclusion about us putting together the NC coalition, but you do say some amazing things. Also it's not that long ago that you were in a 6000man alliance talking about node crashing fleets, and a long time back you were the first people to put together the "blob" in ECP-8R if I recall. So in short, you are just as guilty of massive nap fest coalitions if not more so than anyone. --- I does like have spaceship vids n stuff
Cy Pherboi Caldari Appetite 4 Destruction Aggravated Assault..	Posted - 2011.03.20 18:09:00 - [26] This is just comical - NC complaining about their own bastard child. Honestly, I hope the lag becomes so absolutely unbearable for all of the blob alliances that refuse to fight without hundreds in fleet that you eventually just mass biomass. Who will become the Jim Jones of the North?
Inquisitor Cerberuso Amarr Hounds of Helll	Posted - 2011.03.20 18:32:00 - [27] OP is whining because they (ME) lost a few titans. Those titans were actually mining titans forced into the fight. How are you going to replace them? Oh noes the GM closed your titan reimbursement petitons and now you have to buy isk to get more :( Heart bleeds.
Desya Dak'ann Caldari Wraith.Wing Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.03.20 18:59:00 - [28] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Metal Dude PL is now saying the exact same thing I have been saying for years, now that they are on the other side of the blob. Good for you, but don't forget that originally you are the ones that put this huge coalition together. You made the bed, now you must sleep in it. You appear to have taken a bang on the head again. PL were not even in this fight, we have been enjoying fleet fights for quite some time with no black screens. I have no idea how you came to the conclusion about us putting together the NC coalition, but you do say some amazing things. Also it's not that long ago that you were in a 6000man alliance talking about node crashing fleets, and a long time back you were the first people to put together the "blob" in EC-P8R if I recall. So in short, you are just as guilty of massive nap fest coalitions if not more so than anyone. for one, even though I am in WI. I despise huge fleet fights, 50-100 is my max THIS IS NOW A WIDOT FAILTHREAD!
Leyla Khaled Amarr Domination. Legion of The Damned.	Posted - 2011.03.20 19:18:00 - [29] No blobs, no lag.
Salvatore Pizanno Gallente United Kings R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.20 21:05:00 - [30] @ All, I think the major issue is this... With RL economy crashing all over the world Iceland about to be bankrupt. All business are just trying to stay alive. If we were to see the financial records for CCP Online we would see that a lot of the problems are due to a very tight budget. We face a real life threat of CCP claiming bankruptcy and the only way to fix it is have one of these Russian billionaires pay of the debt. My two cents

Inquisitor Cerberuso Amarr Hounds of Helll	Posted - 2011.03.20 21:15:00 - [31] Originally by: Salvatore Pizanno @ All, I think the major issue is this... With RL economy crashing all over the world Iceland about to be bankrupt. All business are just trying to stay alive. If we were to see the financial records for CCP Online we would see that a lot of the problems are due to a very tight budget. We face a real life threat of CCP claiming bankruptcy and the only way to fix it is have one of these Russian billionaires pay of the debt. My two cents No most of the problems are alliances like yours buying isk, buying caps and sending them into a system KNOWINGLY WILLING to crash the node.
Salvatore Pizanno Gallente United Kings R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.20 21:54:00 - [32] Edited by: Salvatore Pizanno on 20/03/2011 21:56:26 Originally by: Inquisitor Cerberuso Originally by: Salvatore Pizanno @ All, I think the major issue is this... With RL economy crashing all over the world Iceland about to be bankrupt. All business are just trying to stay alive. If we were to see the financial records for CCP Online we would see that a lot of the problems are due to a very tight budget. We face a real life threat of CCP claiming bankruptcy and the only way to fix it is have one of these Russian billionaires pay of the debt. My two cents No most of the problems are alliances like yours buying isk, buying caps and sending them into a system KNOWINGLY WILLING to crash the node. The major issue is that CCP Online is going through some RL financial issues and cannot pay everyone so budget cuts are made in several departments. Budget cuts and not enough workers will put a strain in any business. The only way for them to be stable again is to accept bribes from RL Russian Billionaires. I bet if CCP Online were to publish their 2010 Financial Reports you will see areas of charitable donations coming from sources in Russia. MTC
Dawn Harbinger Amarr Knights of the Silver Dawn Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.20 22:18:00 - [33] Edited by: Dawn Harbinger on 20/03/2011 22:21:25 Originally by: xKillswitchx So my call you all of you in the various alliances and corps, it to petition CCP about this problem and let them know how dissatisfied with their ability to manage their own network. We all pay real money to play this game, its only fair that they hold up their end of the bargain and fix their systems. Uh, no.
Hired Assasin Amarr Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.03.20 22:54:00 - [34] i wish ccp would rollback to dominion, used to beable to handle 1000+ without reinforced node, now anything above 600 - 700 is best to get it reinforced they have lost the efficency the severs/code used to have. 1500 man current day fight laggs like a 2500 old style fight. but i guess some people are too blind to notice that. also for all the massive fleet haters, for now on we will contact the enemy before a fight and we will come to an agreement on how many of each ship we will bring, we will collect api of every blue and red pilot and make sure the SP ballance is as close as possible, then with pritty much exact same fleet compisition and skillpoints, we will take in turns of shooting. first one side shoots a volly, then next the other side shoots a volly. and we will battle this out honorably like everyone else trolling in this thread wants
Chaosmancer Caldari Missions Mining and Mayhem Merciless.	Posted - 2011.03.20 23:03:00 - [35] This is the reality; massive coalition battles lag. It have always been this way as the coalitions have grown one step ahead of CCP's measures against the lag. It will probably always be this way too. If you can't take the lag, then don't join up with alliances who specialise in it.
Manfred Sideous Amarr H A V O C Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.03.20 23:24:00 - [36] Originally by: Chaosmancer This is the reality; massive coalition battles lag. It have always been this way as the coalitions have grown one step ahead of CCP's measures against the lag. It will probably always be this way too. If you can't take the lag, then don't join up with alliances who specialise in it. Not for long subscriber rates are falling for 5 straight months. Game is dieing unless :CCPEGGIN1BASKET: Incarna does what they hope and bring people to the game. Except Incarna has no actual content other than a dressing room so v0v ________________________________________________
Grath Telkin Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.03.20 23:26:00 - [37] Originally by: Manfred Sideous Not for long subscriber rates are falling for 5 straight months. You keep saying this on multiple sites, but I've yet to see you post one solid bit of evidence to support it.
gala gidas Amarr Parental Control HELL4S	Posted - 2011.03.20 23:28:00 - [38] Hey OP, thanks for the good laugh m8.I havent logged for 2-3 days now but you just made me want to log in. For every tear thread like this you make so people can lol at you i ll be sending 10 MIL. Seriously, this is bio stuff
gala gidas Amarr Parental Control HELL4S	Posted - 2011.03.20 23:31:00 - [39] Originally by: Hired Assasin i wish ccp would rollback to dominion, used to beable to handle 1000+ without reinforced node, now anything above 600 - 700 is best to get it reinforced they have lost the efficency the severs/code used to have. 1500 man current day fight laggs like a 2500 old style fight. but i guess some people are too blind to notice that. also for all the massive fleet haters, for now on we will contact the enemy before a fight and we will come to an agreement on how many of each ship we will bring, we will collect api of every blue and red pilot and make sure the SP ballance is as close as possible, then with pritty much exact same fleet compisition and skillpoints, we will take in turns of shooting. first one side shoots a volly, then next the other side shoots a volly. and we will battle this out honorably like everyone else trolling in this thread wants Noone hates blob-lagfests.Look how many nice people are laughing at you.It is clear though that you are mad...Go make a CTA about it
Meno Theaetetus Gallente Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.03.20 23:48:00 - [40] All good points, blobbers getting what they deserve, good game, good game. but... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGplrpWvz0I&feature=player_detailpage#t=72s Game is advertised as supporting alliances of thousands of people.

Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.03.20 23:56:00 - [41] Originally by: Meno Theaetetus All good points, blobbers getting what they deserve, good game, good game. but... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGplrpWvz0I&feature=player_detailpage#t=72s Game is advertised as supporting alliances of thousands of people. I couldn't find the scene in that sexy trailer where they monkey piled them all into the same system. seriously though, how does this surprise you still, did you start playing last week or something. When you go into a fight with 1800 people in local, you are gambling with the lag gods, sometimes you bust. This is how it's always been, you know this, yet you still keep doing it and complain when lag hits you. And before you say what are you meant to do with your 1000man fleets, how about you reset some of your neighbours and have some fun for a change. --- I does like have spaceship vids n stuff
Hired Assasin Amarr Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.03.20 23:59:00 - [42] Originally by: gala gidas Originally by: Hired Assasin relevent stuff hater is hating your tears, they fuel my ship
Meno Theaetetus Gallente Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.03.21 00:11:00 - [43] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Meno Theaetetus All good points, blobbers getting what they deserve, good game, good game. but... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGplrpWvz0I&feature=player_detailpage#t=72s Game is advertised as supporting alliances of thousands of people. I couldn't find the scene in that sexy trailer where they monkey piled them all into the same system. seriously though, how does this surprise you still, did you start playing last week or something. When you go into a fight with 1800 people in local, you are gambling with the lag gods, sometimes you bust. This is how it's always been, you know this, yet you still keep doing it and complain when lag hits you. And before you say what are you meant to do with your 1000man fleets, how about you reset some of your neighbours and have some fun for a change. So your saying that they advertise a game that allows thousands of people on one side, but in a game about spaceship pvp that doesn't extend to fighting together? Just because PL grease themselves up and slide around eve doesn't make that the correct or incorrect way to play the game. We choose to play the eve online were you hold space. In today's game due to the games age the community is very polarised, that may be the NC's doing but it was an inevitable snowball promoted by ccp's advertising and flawed game mechanic. I would actually really love it if the situation changed, but that is only going to come from a change in game mechanic, to prevent coalitions from fighting all on one side. Again I agree that this may be a monster of our(nc) own creation, but we are here none the less, we either fight the way we do or we loose everything. We look to CCP to either change the game mechanic, which tbh based on current technology is the only option, or increase the node performance. If they can't fix the lag by increasing clock speed, or rewriting the code, then change the game mechanic so that it forces smaller fleet sizes. That may be the end of the NC, but after being in NC for three years, I would prefer to play in a fun game were fighting is about tactics and strategy without having to give up everything I've worked for for the last three years.
Spurty Caldari V0LTA VOLTA Corp	Posted - 2011.03.21 00:15:00 - [44] Edited by: Spurty on 21/03/2011 00:15:01 Poasting in a thread containing nuts ( and no warning label ) Some of you guys have your tin foil hats on a bit tight. NC you appear to be the butt of your own joke Hoppit!
dastommy79 Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas.	Posted - 2011.03.21 00:16:00 - [45] Originally by: Meno Theaetetus lots of words hey how you been? I too am outraged about this subject matter. I role play ewok
Garst Tyrell Amarr No.Mercy Merciless.	Posted - 2011.03.21 00:23:00 - [46] "Now our alliance and the entire NC is engaged " make your bed now sleep in it
Lee ChanKa Minmatar WEPRA CORP WILD BOARS	Posted - 2011.03.21 00:24:00 - [47] i support CCP to cut off moons income so both sides(in this case NC and DR) cant blob anymore with 213127389127 titans and 213291392103129 SC with 3204720947209347920 bomb fighters if they do that they will kill also major power blocks, so no bloobs anymore at least in this numbers till then keep **ING crying because you get in system 3k ppl and say OMG ITC LAG AAAA WHAT TO DO go play ing pvp in WOW arena with 10 ppl and lag from magics i say to CCP before 2 years this will happened to **ing game if they don't cut off moons wait 1 more year and you will say CCP CANT FIX LAG ONLY 6000 OF US FIGHTING IN ONE SYSTEM regard lee aka ewqi
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.03.21 00:25:00 - [48] Originally by: Meno Theaetetus I would actually really love it if the situation changed, but that is only going to come from a change in game mechanic, to prevent coalitions from fighting all on one side. No game mechanic is going to ever prevent people fighting on the same side and making massive powerblocs if that's what they desire. I'm not questioning your play style at all, if you want to build castles in the sand pit in todays eve, you need a huge fleet to defend them. By putting more people in the system than the server can handle ensures that there is no fight and the castle remains. What I am questioning is your surprise that these types of battles are not fun. Big fights are laggy, if you want to do it, carry on but don't blame CCP when it is your choice to do so. I think it sucks when you blackscreen or don't load grid, and I can empathise a little, but I choose not to do it any more. --- I does like have spaceship vids n stuff
Meno Theaetetus Gallente Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.03.21 00:26:00 - [49] Originally by: dastommy79 Originally by: Meno Theaetetus lots of words hey how you been? I too am outraged about this subject matter. lol, yeah not too bad. ....oh dear more words coming I think. On another note though I don't think mass petitioning ccp is going to do anything but get you a warning from a senior gm, and I don't think complaining is going to do any good, CCP have been stubborn about lag ever since some WOW type developer laughed at them and told them they were crazy to have one un-sharded server. 6 or so years later they are not going to turn around and admit they were wrong. It's too expensive to re-write the code so if you want to do small scale pvp then join a smaller alliance, if you want to play in 1000+ fleet fights, quit the game and wait for a more modern game to emerge that can offer that from day one.
Salvatore Pizanno Gallente United Kings R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.21 00:30:00 - [50] The main reality is this... CCP is on a financial downturn. They cannot keep up with the demands that players want. It cost too much money to hire good developers and experienced gms to handle claims. Not to mention pay for new upgraded super computers to create a fun smooth game environment.

gala gidas Amarr Parental Control HELL4S	Posted - 2011.03.21 01:01:00 - [51] Edited by: gala gidas on 21/03/2011 01:01:31 Originally by: Salvatore Pizanno The main reality is this... CCP is on a financial downturn. They cannot keep up with the demands that players want. It cost too much money to hire good developers and experienced gms to handle claims. Not to mention pay for new upgraded super computers to create a fun smooth game environment. Even if they do that,it costs even more money for them to find better players to play the game.You just cant understand that the problem isnt the game its simply you. Everyone is happy with the current situation.Your "leaders" are happy you dont have time asking where all that ISK goes,CCP is happy having thousands of low level players busy in blobs. I am not a PVP expert and i will never be one.But the tear threads you are making doesnt have to do with PVP tactics,they have to do with your attitude as players.I am making a wild guess but the majority of the blob players are the ones that actually pay to play this game comparing with players from smaller(smarter)entities. So seriously,why even try to fix something that actually works for everyone?You are gonna log in tomorrow to join other CTAs to defend other people ISK anyeay,arent you?.
Grath Telkin Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.03.21 01:05:00 - [52] Originally by: Meno Theaetetus So your saying that they advertise a game that allows thousands of people on one side, but in a game about spaceship pvp that doesn't extend to fighting together? Yes.
Helios888 Caldari Mercenaries of Andosia Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.03.21 01:11:00 - [53] Edited by: Helios888 on 21/03/2011 01:12:21 Originally by: Salvatore Pizanno The main reality is this... CCP is on a financial downturn. They cannot keep up with the demands that players want. It cost too much money to hire good developers and experienced gms to handle claims. Not to mention pay for new upgraded super computers to create a fun smooth game environment. You're precious. Stop bringing your cousins to win your fights for you and experience the thrill of (mostly) lag- free combat without the safety net.
StarTrotter Gallente Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.03.21 01:17:00 - [54] The point is that we are a significant part of the player base, our game expeirance shoudnt be disrupted because of how CCP want US to play. I dont evny their job, but we pay them to play this game, they dont pay us. armor hacs Armor Hacs ARMOR HACS!!!!
Mr Blue Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.03.21 01:23:00 - [55] Eat ** NC. You made your own bed. Quiet the irony that u complain about lag, when thats what u mostly want to achive. Lag makes the outcome of fighting more random as the effect of the lag varys. Since ure skills is **, lag gives u a 50/50 to get the upperhand. Well, NC, seems today wasnt ure day, and u felt how it was rly is( like. And now u complain about how ure own poo tastes like?
Soldarius Caldari Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.21 01:24:00 - [56] For my part, when I fleet up for these bring it all fights, I expect to get lagged out. So no use complaining about the situation, especially if it is caused by what we (the players on both sides) are doing. Players, HTFU, or change tactics. CCP, moar hamsters! Or upgrade to gerbils. You ever watched a hamster? How often do they actually get in the wheel and run? Hamsters are fat lazy little porkers. Gerbils > hamsters. Originally by: CCP Shadow ...I cannot guarantee (my) sobriety or decency.
Col Callahan Caldari Boogie Monsters	Posted - 2011.03.21 01:45:00 - [57] Edited by: Col Callahan on 21/03/2011 01:46:03 Originally by: Grath Telkin Originally by: xKillswitchx The DRF actually bring blobs of over 1000+ to these fights as well so its not just an NC thing. Actually, they bring fleets of that size because of the fleets the NC brings. Its been that way for years now. If the NC expects to fight, it brings everybody in the coalition, no man left behind, and so the group on the other end of your fight has to bring something similar or there's no chance of survival for them. You are creating your own in game hell, which could be avoided if you just fought your own fights, on an alliance level, or if the Geminate faction fought its fights and left the other 3 regions of people home. Here in the south we've had fights that range in the 600 man range, and never once has the lag been so bad that the game comes anywhere near the catastrophe you see up north dealing with the 'NC'. +1 Why? because I'm lazy and the point that is right has already been made. You reap what you sow guys, deal with it or change your ways. . . . I heard you the last time.
Rex Mundus Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.03.21 01:47:00 - [58] Originally by: StarTrotter The point is that we are a significant part of the player base, our game expeirance shoudnt be disrupted because of how CCP want US to play. Quote: Yes, hardly democratic is it? The larger force should always win
fpshacker Gallente Zor Industries Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.03.21 02:12:00 - [59] Hey guys why didn't you cry about this when you killed the Russian titans who never loaded grid in low sec? Eve was clearly broken then yet you didn't whine about it, neither did the Russians. Now that the NC are the ones losing the titans they bawwwwww about lag everywhere. Admit it you don't care about the lag, the fact that huge coalitions can lag out nodes is the best thing to ever happen to the NC, it allowed them to blob out every smaller alliance they fought. Guess its not going to work the same way against the Russians, cry more nc o/
Trina Forrest Caldari Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.03.21 02:43:00 - [60] Originally by: fpshacker Hey guys why didn't you cry about this when you killed the Russian titans who never loaded grid in low sec? Eve was clearly broken then yet you didn't whine about it, neither did the Russians. Now that the NC are the ones losing the titans they bawwwwww about lag everywhere. Admit it you don't care about the lag, the fact that huge coalitions can lag out nodes is the best thing to ever happen to the NC, it allowed them to blob out every smaller alliance they fought. Guess its not going to work the same way against the Russians, cry more nc o/ To be honest some of us did. I petitoned ccp to fix the laggy situation with every major engagement regardless of the winners. Why? Because I believe for this game to continue to be successful ccp needs to offer all different play styles. I don't demand a whole lot, but I do specifically remember ccp having a commercial about eve saying "come fly in thousand man fleets". No if eve was truly honest with advertisement it would be "come grind boring ass lvl 4 missions, fall asleep mining, or grind to a complete stand still in epic fleets". This is my outlet of entertainment as it is for everyone else who isn't a troll. I enjoy big fights, gg's, and epic wins AND epic loses. To be honest I'm glad Russians brought it when they won when we lost titans, they brought it when we killed their supers, and they brought it when we exchanged loses. Fights a GG all around. For this to continue CCP needs to be able to provide this entertainment with effectively decreasing lag. Or outright limit how many people can be in any specific system if they do not have the ability to support massive fleets. Either way for eve to survive it needs to be more entertaining than just plain frustrating. In the end regardless of anyone who wants to admit it we all need each other to make the game continue to exist. If CCP loses a large portion of their subscribers then the game will no longer exist. High sec, low sec, pirates, carbears, reds, blues, PL, Russians, NC, doesn't matter. This game should always proceed in a positive direction, and the players need to NOT be complacent with "meh its ****ing good enough because it doesn't affect me" No.. but sooner or later it will affect enough people to quit then you lose your epeen low sec ganking or high sec lvl 4's. Food for thought.

Metal Dude Gallente Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.03.21 03:25:00 - [61] Instead of demanding the impossible, why donÆt you ask for CCP to fix the game to discourage blobbing and outrages NAP fests? Why not ask for stacking penalty on standings or maybe increasing prices on the number of positive standings, based on how many characters are blue to each other? Maybe if you had to pay 100 million per every 1000 characters you were NAPed to per month, you would not have this problem of not being able to fight. You would have a problem of being owned by people that are better than you. But you really donÆt want that, do you? You just want to whine how unfair it is that you canÆt win with numbers. Right? The truth will set you free
Kramutti Gallente The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.03.21 05:20:00 - [62] ^^ Ex member of the now dead alliance that invented the blob hanging out with Tri(haha) talking about blobs. Next up, watch a Panda rolling down a hill!
Kossaw Gallente H A V O C Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.03.21 08:09:00 - [63] Ch***t. I cant believe I'm agreeing with PL and NCdot 2000 players = lag. Its your own fault. Live with it or find another play style.
Caldrion Dosto Gallente Excrutiating Dirge Merciless.	Posted - 2011.03.21 08:13:00 - [64] This is so funny. EVERYONE knows it will be lag from hell if you bring 1000 players on your side and the other side is forced to respond with same amount. 2000 players in a fleet fights ofc makes the game grind to a halt why are you surprised? Stop blueing 70% of the universe and enjoy a low lag environment with fun fights. There is a resaon why a lot of high sp people are not in the blobiest alliances anymore, the biggest reason is we all have done the 1000+ fights and it don¦t work and we are tired of the slideshows, and thus took action to find fun things to do without them. Also death to NC, death to titans.
Captain Thunk Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.03.21 08:53:00 - [65] First they brought 100 drakes, but they all died for no kills Then they brought 200 drakes and managed 2 kills before they all died Tacticians brain stormed and tried 300 drakes, losing them all for 7 kills After much scratching of heads they came back with 500 drakes which all exploded for 15 kills Then a guy no one had heard of came up with a brand new idea, 700 drakes. Which all died for 23 kills 7 days of pure planning paid dividends when they came up with the strategy of 800 drakes which managed to destroy 32 before they all died. So they pulled out all the stops and came in 1000 drakes, lagged themselves out and lost a bunch of supercaps. Strategists decided that the game must be broken.
Jack Paladin Caldari Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2011.03.21 09:29:00 - [66] The tears in this thread xD EVE is growing. As more carebears get tired of highsec they move down for 0.0 PVP. It is a natural progression that fleet fights in 0.0 will get bigger, especially if you have several alliances all working together. CCP's strategy of 'petition big fleet fights in advance' is a temporary 'solution' at best. It's time to evolve beyond that and really come up with a revolutionary system to allow EVE to continue to grow and offer the best possible gaming experience. Folks are gonna see the CTA's for o2o reinforcements. They are then gonna check alliance channel and see all the tears about lag. End resulst .... pilots ain't gonna join up. One would assume that they can reinforce more than 1 node at a time? So how about setting up a simple script that if a particular system has 500 pilots then auto reinforce. If said system drops below 300 after reinforce then bring out of reinforce and call in the fire department for cool down the servers. Afterall ... EVE is a sandbox and 90% of the time you can't 'plan' when a huge fight will happen. And also ... o2o has been under siege for many number of weeks. One would assume that the next few weeks will be the same. So how about just leaving the damn system reinforced until one of the masses has victory?
Tayllor04 Minmatar V0LTA VOLTA Corp	Posted - 2011.03.21 10:01:00 - [67] Originally by: Kramutti ^^ Ex member of the now dead alliance that invented the blob hanging out with Tri(haha) talking about blobs. Next up, watch a Panda rolling down a hill! BOB & Tri chose quality over quantity sir, before u guys decided to blob the she out of everyone.. remember the days where NC would bring 450+ to camp in Tri (h-p) or just for 100 man gangs.. and still die most of the time ^^ no matter how many time we disbanded u sir are a liar.. NC created this mess, u sir can go whine about it some more kk o7
OrDeR Caldari Muppet Factory Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.03.21 10:27:00 - [68] These threads pop up every 3 months. More things change more they stay the same...
JT Black Amarr WEPRA CORP WILD BOARS	Posted - 2011.03.21 10:48:00 - [69] Simple, First you sound pathetic with your request . Why don't you go and play WoW and heal yourself from a butt hurt pain ? I wonder why you dont ask some other things from CCP like ....? 1- Remove local 2- Bring back warp to 15km 3- Remove jump bridges 4- Remove Jump Freighters 5- Remove intel channels 6- Remove POS's 7- Remove High end Moons 8 - make all rats scramle Just a few things u know,of course u cant exist without those ? Now go diaf plz, thx . CCP more lag plz for him . JT
Levistus Junior Caldari Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2011.03.21 11:46:00 - [70] Originally by: Metal Dude Instead of demanding the impossible, why donÆt you ask for CCP to fix the game to discourage blobbing and outrages NAP fests? Why not ask for stacking penalty on standings or maybe increasing prices on the number of positive standings, based on how many characters are blue to each other? Maybe if you had to pay 100 million per every 1000 characters you were NAPed to per month, you would not have this problem of not being able to fight. You would have a problem of being owned by people that are better than you. But you really donÆt want that, do you? You just want to whine how unfair it is that you canÆt win with numbers. Right? Artificially limit number of blues is not a solution for two reasons: first of all it goes against the sandbox concept eve is built around and secondly because people will find other ways to have their coalitions despite in-game limitations. Instead CCP should focus on building a sov system that doesn't require an entity to bring the bigger blob in order to defend/take space. Something that would favor splitting your forces instead of piling them all on one grid.

Proclus Diadochu Caldari Retribution. Inc. R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.21 12:51:00 - [71] Originally by: fpshacker Hey guys why didn't you cry about this when you killed the Russian titans who never loaded grid in low sec? Eve was clearly broken then yet you didn't whine about it, neither did the Russians. It specifically states in the EULA that to petition or contact CCP about anything, said player must be able to speak coherent English. Russians type those cool yet non-English symbols, hence their dilemma. That's a fact I most certainly did not make up.
Zimi Vlasic Amarr F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2011.03.21 12:52:00 - [72] Edited by: Zimi Vlasic on 21/03/2011 12:52:15 I find myself wondering what kind of morons continue to do the same thing over and over and somehow eventually expect a different result. Making up for a lack of talent by packing as many people as possible into a system is not CCP's fault. The game runs fine until you do that. So really, the logical answer is to stop doing that. Let's assume they make it so 2000 people can fit into a system without lag. There is no doubt in anyone's mind that you will then try to pack 4000 into a system, and then the whining will begin again. In closing, shut up. ------------------ Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
Salvatore Pizanno Gallente United Kings R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.21 12:58:00 - [73] Pleast no make funt of Russian
WhiteSnake Amarr Exiled Gathering HELL4S	Posted - 2011.03.21 13:16:00 - [74] break up nap chains, bring hell back to eve, stop being so attached to moongold moons... one day you have to stop ruining this game with this nap-monster you have build
SmashTech Minmatar Sigillum Militum Xpisti Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.03.21 14:23:00 - [75] Originally by: Salvatore Pizanno Pleast no make funt of Russian HELLO MY NAME IS JUNIOR SVK TODAY WE ARE GOING TO DIE GLORIOUSLY IN A FIRE ON FIELD OF BATTLE GET IN DRAKE NOW VY ARE YOU DYINK NO SHUT UP CLEAR COMMS NO VY ARE YOU DYINK
Orkasm Minmatar Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.03.21 15:06:00 - [76] Originally by: JT Black 5- Remove intel channels So you advocate the removal of chat channels? All of them? if people can talk to each other they can share information. This line here made everything you said irrelevant, try thinking before you post if you want people to take you seriously. Yes NC brings huge amounts to fights, cos if we dont you think the DRF will just bring an equal amount? Nah they'll pile everything they can into the system to stop us having a fight and achieve there goal. Something needs changing at the base of the game to either Limit power-block Sizes or limit the amount of players in systems. Hopefully something will come up at fanfest this weekend with some ideas / CCP being less terrible. TL;DR: yea the NC is bad for Blobbing, we ain't the only ones though.
Myz Toyou Minmatar APOCALYPSE LEGION	Posted - 2011.03.21 15:11:00 - [77] OP lost a Drake in O2O and is mad.
JT Black Amarr WEPRA CORP WILD BOARS	Posted - 2011.03.21 15:23:00 - [78] Originally by: Orkasm Originally by: JT Black 5- Remove intel channels So you advocate the removal of chat channels? All of them? if people can talk to each other they can share information. This line here made everything you said irrelevant, try thinking before you post if you want people to take you seriously. Yes NC brings huge amounts to fights, cos if we dont you think the DRF will just bring an equal amount? Nah they'll pile everything they can into the system to stop us having a fight and achieve there goal. Something needs changing at the base of the game to either Limit power-block Sizes or limit the amount of players in systems. Hopefully something will come up at fanfest this weekend with some ideas / CCP being less terrible. TL;DR: yea the NC is bad for Blobbing, we ain't the only ones though. remove in game chat feature ,yes im irrelevant,youre not safe ***got ,hide and learn to play.
Rex Mundus Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.03.21 15:52:00 - [79] Solution is obvious. Double the damage for Heavy Missiles. This way, the NC would only need half as many draeks.
Helios888 Caldari Mercenaries of Andosia Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.03.21 16:37:00 - [80] Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Edited by: Zimi Vlasic on 21/03/2011 12:52:15 I find myself wondering what kind of morons continue to do the same thing over and over and somehow eventually expect a different result. Sums it all up nicely

xKillswitchx Caldari Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.03.21 16:43:00 - [81] I for one am not whining about the lag or complaining about the loss of some NC Titans. What I wanted to bring up to people is the fact that CCP has identified a problem that players have brought to their attention. CCP has put in place a process to handle and address that problem and people have agreed to use it. My issue is that even with all of this in place, CCP still is not able to handle the problem, in this case the node from crashing and people not loading grid. Rather than solve these problems, CCP has decided to give us more items and in game crap like walking in stations that still doesn't solve the basic problem of the game, systems loading grid and being able to handle large fleet fights. Alliances are going to have large fleet fights, CCP has done everything they can to get as many people living in null sec, this is something they wanted. Rather than making one more new thing like station walking, they should focus on fine tuning the existing problems rather than introducing new ones. Again, if the players of this game continue to write petitions about this, we will hopefully get them to solve this problem.
xKillswitchx Caldari Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.03.21 16:47:00 - [82] Originally by: Caldrion Dosto This is so funny. EVERYONE knows it will be lag from hell if you bring 1000 players on your side and the other side is forced to respond with same amount. 2000 players in a fleet fights ofc makes the game grind to a halt why are you surprised? Stop blueing 70% of the universe and enjoy a low lag environment with fun fights. There is a resaon why a lot of high sp people are not in the blobiest alliances anymore, the biggest reason is we all have done the 1000+ fights and it don¦t work and we are tired of the slideshows, and thus took action to find fun things to do without them. Also death to NC, death to titans. You know everyone keeps saying that NAPs are the problems in fleet fights. I can tell you this is not always the case. Most alliances have 1K+ members, ME and Rage alone have over 5K members. Those two alliances alone could could bring 2K people to a fleet fight. It's not the NAPs that are the problems, its the fact that CCP has not done enough to build their nodes to compensate for the increase in the number of pilots they pushed out into null sec.
Helios888 Caldari Mercenaries of Andosia Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.03.21 16:50:00 - [83] The hardware will never keep up with your coalitions astounding propensity for fahguttery.
Ace Frehley Minmatar Mercenaries of Andosia Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.03.21 17:21:00 - [84] Originally by: Orkasm Originally by: JT Black 5- Remove intel channels So you advocate the removal of chat channels? All of them? if people can talk to each other they can share information. This line here made everything you said irrelevant, try thinking before you post if you want people to take you seriously. Yes NC brings huge amounts to fights, cos if we dont you think the DRF will just bring an equal amount? Nah they'll pile everything they can into the system to stop us having a fight and achieve there goal. Something needs changing at the base of the game to either Limit power-block Sizes or limit the amount of players in systems. Hopefully something will come up at fanfest this weekend with some ideas / CCP being less terrible. TL;DR: yea the NC is bad for Blobbing, we ain't the only ones though. Difference is that you always bring the blob regardless what the oppenent bring. IF someone bring 50- you wont come until you have around 100. So next time they bring 100 and you come with 200. NC is the driving factor of the blob. Ask Razor what happend when they came south to fight small to medium gang warefear on equal numbers. It ended up them blueing everything besides Provi and PL cuz they couldnt fight on equal terms without get a bloody nose.
Painpill Minmatar Open Space Mining and Resource Extraction	Posted - 2011.03.21 17:40:00 - [85] Originally by: xKillswitchx Originally by: Caldrion Dosto Also death to NC, death to titans. You know everyone keeps saying that NAPs are the problems in fleet fights. I can tell you this is not always the case. Most alliances have 1K+ members, ME and Rage alone have over 5K members. Those two alliances alone could could bring 2K people to a fleet fight. It's not the NAPs that are the problems, its the fact that CCP has not done enough to build their nodes to compensate for the increase in the number of pilots they pushed out into null sec. Lol everyone know that only 15% of what you state as members, are actuall RL persons, rest, are Alts and people who havent logged in for 12 months+, and dont forget that thoose 15% are also spread out over 3 TZ's So i call your bluff and state that ME + Rage can only field 300 ish max at any given time, and thats only if you are a PvP alliance, which we all know you are not See it is the NAPS that's the problem
Aloe Cloveris Gallente The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple	Posted - 2011.03.21 22:08:00 - [86] I see supercaps dying in huge numbers. Lag is inadvertently saving EVE from itself. CCP, this is brilliant!
StarTrotter Gallente Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.03.21 22:42:00 - [87] Edited by: StarTrotter on 21/03/2011 22:42:00 This thread has way to much elite PVPers in here. I am obviously way out of my depth with you PROsters. armor hacs Armor Hacs ARMOR HACS!!!!
Emo Gallente Gallente Echo Roaming Industries	Posted - 2011.03.21 23:16:00 - [88] Stop blobbing you nc ***gots. That is the solution!!!
Nostradamous Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas.	Posted - 2011.03.21 23:52:00 - [89] Originally by: Aloe Cloveris I see supercaps dying in huge numbers. Lag is inadvertently saving EVE from itself. CCP, this is brilliant!
Salvatore Pizanno Gallente United Kings R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.22 00:20:00 - [90] Maybe a solution to the problem of reducing blobs is to create a system designed to devide the blobs. Recreating the SOV warfare mechanics. An idea would be for an enemy alliance/coalition to take over 51% of SOV in one constellation in order to claim a target station vulranable for takeover. If the enemy takes SOV in more than 51% of that constellation all stations in the constellation are vulranable for take over. Doing this will have to split the fights in several systems to reduce blob tactics. Making fun more manageable fights. This will favor small alliances and large alliances as hostiles will have to do more work and so does the defending pilots.

FrFrmPukin Gallente Multiplex Gaming SpaceMonkey's Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.22 05:48:00 - [91] They should bring back the old doomsday area effect modules or have a script for the current module. That was a quick and effective way to clear fighters, drones, pods and smaller ships from the field real fast. That could force different tactics to be used. The DD drive-by can still be effective, but having the ability to load a script or have a different DD module for area effect could force the smaller ships to fight off the field and in the surrounding systems. For sov mechanics, maybe they could make the ref timers on ihubs and stations more "lottery like or luck of the draw". Many of the blob fights start because people are calling out to their brosefs in other alliances during their TZ to help defend their stuff. That is never going to change. Being able to set timers on ihubs and stations so they come out in the best time zone does make it that much harder to take as we have seen in Geminate the past couple of weeks. If it was more random, it could impact the number of people that would be able to defend when stuff comes out of ref. As far as the big fights are concerned, people should want them to continue on larger scales. That means more stuff dies which in turn help out the economy in the game. The price of mins right now are going up due to the amount ships and equipment lost in these costly battles between the DRF and the NC. Everybody in EVE is capitalizing on it, especially the marketeers and the industrialists. So the bigger the fights that can happen, the more stuff that is destroyed. CCP makes more money cause more peeps buy plex with rl iskies to replace their gear faster. So, I would hope that CCP would reinvested that money in their gear and code to make is possible for the bigger fleets, so more stuff dies. And the circle starts all over again. Everybody from the miner to the combat pilot is happy then.
Vaporize Gallente United Kings R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.22 07:45:00 - [92] MY BROSEF'S OF EVE! Give peace a chance! I HAVE A DREAM... I say no more killing in Eve, let's all set each other blue! With lots and lots of isk we can pay for the game using this isk with to the point that 30 day Plex pass is up to 2 bil since everyone will have isk the price will rise since nobody will need to buy GTC's to replace super caps losses, THEN and ONLY then when CCP begs us to kill each other again on their hands and knees webcast to the world (they are all going to get laid off and or salaries reduced in my dream world) and they have fixed the troubles (because this lag can happen even with less then 600 people on a node) then fix everything my heart desires do we kill each other again. WHO IS WITH ME? I know this stratEEgery sounds crazy lame boring, might take a few years actually, might be easier if we all join the same alliance, and people will be have to deal with Charlie SHeen like with drawl symptoms from no Blue Flashy Flashy but wont we all be happier once they fix this craptasic game? btw if its not to late please enter my name in the CSM elections and vote for me so my wizzzdom can expand across the all of eve as I fire truth torpedoes from my F18!
EOH Minigin Caldari Eve Online Hold'Em ISK Six	Posted - 2011.03.22 07:49:00 - [93] Originally by: Vaporize MY BROSEF'S OF EVE! Give peace a chance! I HAVE A DREAM... I say no more killing in Eve, let's all set each other blue! With lots and lots of isk we can pay for the game using this isk with to the point that 30 day Plex pass is up to 2 bil since everyone will have isk the price will rise since nobody will need to buy GTC's to replace super caps losses, THEN and ONLY then when CCP begs us to kill each other again on their hands and knees webcast to the world (they are all going to get laid off and or salaries reduced in my dream world) and they have fixed the troubles (because this lag can happen even with less then 600 people on a node) then fix everything my heart desires do we kill each other again. WHO IS WITH ME? I know this stratEEgery sounds crazy lame boring, might take a few years actually, might be easier if we all join the same alliance, and people will be have to deal with Charlie SHeen like with drawl symptoms from no Blue Flashy Flashy but wont we all be happier once they fix this craptasic game? btw if its not to late please enter my name in the CSM elections and vote for me so my wizzzdom can expand across the all of eve as I fire truth torpedoes from my F18! arnt you the ****** that tried to have legal action brought against me because i called an alliance WE FORM VOLTRON? how did that turn out for you? WANNA PLAY POKER IN EVE FOR ISK???? www.eohpoker.com
Vaporize Gallente United Kings R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.22 08:03:00 - [94] Edited by: Vaporize on 22/03/2011 08:04:04 Originally by: EOH Minigin Originally by: Vaporize MY BROSEF'S OF EVE! Give peace a chance! I HAVE A DREAM... I say no more killing in Eve, let's all set each other blue! With lots and lots of isk we can pay for the game using this isk with to the point that 30 day Plex pass is up to 2 bil since everyone will have isk the price will rise since nobody will need to buy GTC's to replace super caps losses, THEN and ONLY then when CCP begs us to kill each other again on their hands and knees webcast to the world (they are all going to get laid off and or salaries reduced in my dream world) and they have fixed the troubles (because this lag can happen even with less then 600 people on a node) then fix everything my heart desires do we kill each other again. WHO IS WITH ME? I know this stratEEgery sounds crazy lame boring, might take a few years actually, might be easier if we all join the same alliance, and people will be have to deal with Charlie SHeen like with drawl symptoms from no Blue Flashy Flashy but wont we all be happier once they fix this craptasic game? btw if its not to late please enter my name in the CSM elections and vote for me so my wizzzdom can expand across the all of eve as I fire truth torpedoes from my F18! arnt you the ****** that tried to have legal action brought against me because i called an alliance WE FORM VOLTRON? how did that turn out for you? its REE-Tard btw and you believed that thread and remember it? you re-trolled yourself... ROFL Hey you aren't in We form "illegal use of a property please insert alliance name here" anymore? What happened love taco? <<--Trying to get hot pink not sure if this will work...
Levistus Junior Caldari Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2011.03.22 11:08:00 - [95] Originally by: Aloe Cloveris I see supercaps dying in huge numbers. Lag is inadvertently saving EVE from itself. CCP, this is brilliant! Do you really believe that? Most(if not all) of the pilots that have lost caps in O2O will have them replaced in 1 week max(just take a look on KBs at how many guys that lost supercaps were in another by next fight) . Many more supercaps need to die before you can see any effect on the numbers big alliances can field.
Nominh Ehre Amarr Axial tilt The Babylon Consortium	Posted - 2011.03.22 11:22:00 - [96] Im not experiencing soulcrushing lag. Allthough im not in a lemming club either. Oh look a cliff, every other lemming is jumping over the cliff i want too! ouch it hurts! lets complain about it!
Vaporize Gallente United Kings R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.22 14:50:00 - [97] This the short version of the experience. Your ship will not respond to input meaning you try to turn it to another alignment point and it fails to do anything until many seconds or minutes later. Second you will try activate a weapon or mod this will not do anything for minutes up to 20 minutes and then it will turn on, trying to turn it off will not work. Heavy Dictor, little trick add a cloak in the high slot any will due just to turn it on so your bubble will go off so you can move your ship again. Locking a target might take 30 seconds or minutes where you will see the lock box just running forever (it seems) never locking listening to this sound would drive you crazy alone if you actually used audio 90% of the people i know turned off audio years ago, then by the time you get the target locked people might have already killed it or it might have warped off. Reloading weapons might happen you never know usually one gun working while the other 5 or 6 don't. Your capacitor will not recharge or will be per-ma FULL meaning you will never run out of cap even with your MWD on and guns firing this is the good part you can actually design your ships let's a BS that would normally cap out after 1 min 20 seconds will run forever. Overheating will not work or it will work and you will not be able to turn it off thus melting said module until it is destroyed. To overcome this all you will have closed your People and Places box, you will have shut off all effects, you will have no audio on, you will turn off brackets so will not really be able to tell where your ship is where the planets are where the enemy ships are, or any location of any space item. You will be flying with the camera zoomed out looking down at the fight from as far as way as possible, zooming the camera will lag even where you will sit there for minutes at a time waiting for it zoom back in. You might have spent 3000 dollars on the best triple SLI / Crossfire expensive PC in the world thinking this might help but it will not. It't not a problem with the rendering engine just the time it takes to get the information back and forth from a server located in a different country where your ping to it from the US (cali) will be 220 from the west coast and 110 from NY. Imagine playing a 600 person FPS death match game at 220 ping people in Europe who also experience this never experience it like we do here. You find out that the Eve promU videos are lies first hand and that what you are seeing on the screen isn't possible to have in the game. You stop ever wanting to flying in large fleets or you put up with it because it is necessary to be a 0 space sov holding group. PL for instance avoids this by not holding space usually which is smart they avoid the trouble and make the game much more fun for themselves as you can pick your fights. Nothing but respect for PL but they are the best Pvper's in Eve the elite, most people "carebears" barley know what is going on in the game or how the game mechanics work so they are just happy to be on this big blob ride are trying to do what they are told and want to see their character names on lots of Killmails. The kill mail system is broken sometimes you might have spent 8 hours killing many POS's, mods or "space structures" you will not see your name on it because you didn't do Hull damage it to it or maybe you have and you will wont see it. Many times I have been a target caller on POS mods, I was the first one to shoot them, and don't get credit for it, disappointing when you are trying to Killmail ***** a 1000 kills in a month. The game has been bugged for my 5 years, still bugged, CCP will say Fog of war, enjoy. Logging on and off, total roll of the dice it might work to allow you to get in the fight your screen will be black for 20 minutes, might fix the fact you have gang bonuses might shut you out of the game for hours. If you die you might still be stuck in your ship for minutes or hours or locked in pod.
Captain Thunk Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.03.22 15:17:00 - [98] That is an awesome post. fakeedit: wait, you actually count structure mails as kills?
NAPtrain Pilot Caldari WTF Holding Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2011.03.22 15:39:00 - [99] I don't think anyone here is seriously asking the impossible. I;m not expecting 10000 man fleet fights with no lag whatsoever. I know the limitations of modern day server hardware, and that top of the line server hardware is probably out of CCPs reach price-wise. what I'd like to see is fixing the bugs that occur in such sever lag situations: -uneven server response. some people are dying without even getting to see the grid, while others have decent response time on mods and commands. -log-off timer. It really sucks when people die many hours after they logged off/jumped out. Also, CCP needs to get their head out of the sand and revise their current reimbursement policies. Denying reimbursement even to losses that were due to verifiable bugs (like the log-off timer above)just because they were part of a 'large fleet fight' qualifies as very poor customer support in my book.
Ace Frehley Minmatar Mercenaries of Andosia Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.03.22 15:47:00 - [100] Simple solution instead of wheine, join an allaince or corp that dosent have billions and billions of players blued so they can only fight when they meet billions of enemies. Have had some excellent fights with 70 vs 70 and smaller. Even got hotdropped as the big boys, but we killed the cyno so quick so they couldnt bring in everything. This was managed by not haveing to many squized into 1 system, but like 50-60, no lag, can play with brackets on, excellent modulerespons. CCP delivers what they promise to me. Sorry you so dumb that you only goal is to break the server

Nominh Ehre Amarr Axial tilt The Babylon Consortium	Posted - 2011.03.22 18:11:00 - [101] Originally by: Ace Frehley Simple solution instead of wheine, join an allaince or corp that dosent have billions and billions of players blued so they can only fight when they meet billions of enemies. Have had some excellent fights with 70 vs 70 and smaller. Even got hotdropped as the big boys, but we killed the cyno so quick so they couldnt bring in everything. This was managed by not haveing to many squized into 1 system, but like 50-60, no lag, can play with brackets on, excellent modulerespons. CCP delivers what they promise to me. Sorry you so dumb that you only goal is to break the server The lemmings does not have the brainpower to understand how to break up the blob. Just look at how long it took them to understand the drake. Even though it is easy for me and you to understand the concept and the advantages of it, breaking up the blob is a blasphemic action for the lemmings. How on earth are they supposed to survive if they somehow had to gain individual skills, or more than basic understanding of pvp? No ace, let them blob, and complain about lag. There is nothing we can do. Btw, long time since chimps now eh ;)
Levistus Junior Caldari Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2011.03.22 19:06:00 - [102] Originally by: Ace Frehley Simple solution instead of wheine, join an allaince or corp that dosent have billions and billions of players blued so they can only fight when they meet billions of enemies. Have had some excellent fights with 70 vs 70 and smaller. Even got hotdropped as the big boys, but we killed the cyno so quick so they couldnt bring in everything. This was managed by not haveing to many squized into 1 system, but like 50-60, no lag, can play with brackets on, excellent modulerespons. CCP delivers what they promise to me. Sorry you so dumb that you only goal is to break the server Which of those corps/alliances hold any meaningful amount of space that they have fought for (vs. at least a moderately competent entity)?
Bagehi Caldari Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.22 19:21:00 - [103] Originally by: Ace Frehley Simple solution instead of wheine, join an allaince or corp that dosent have billions and billions of players blued so they can only fight when they meet billions of enemies. Have had some excellent fights with 70 vs 70 and smaller. Even got hotdropped as the big boys, but we killed the cyno so quick so they couldnt bring in everything. This was managed by not haveing to many squized into 1 system, but like 50-60, no lag, can play with brackets on, excellent modulerespons. CCP delivers what they promise to me. Sorry you so dumb that you only goal is to break the server So we can get rolled by the DRC like what happened to Atlas and -A-? The sov mechanics of the game are such that more numbers are better. Sorry if you don't like it but that's the game. This signature is useless, but it is red.
Grath Telkin Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.03.22 19:22:00 - [104] Originally by: Levistus Junior Which of those corps/alliances hold any meaningful amount of space that they have fought for (vs. at least a moderately competent entity)? Well since there are only 2 entities in the NC that actually fought for their original space I'm not sure why this matters to you. Every single member of the NC since then has not had to fight to gain its space, it was gifted, then defended by an ever increasing coalition of members.
gala gidas Amarr Parental Control HELL4S	Posted - 2011.03.22 19:42:00 - [105] Originally by: Vaporize MY BROSEF'S OF EVE! Give peace a chance! I HAVE A DREAM... I say no more killing in Eve, let's all set each other blue! With lots and lots of isk we can pay for the game using this isk with to the point that 30 day Plex pass is up to 2 bil since everyone will have isk the price will rise since nobody will need to buy GTC's to replace super caps losses, THEN and ONLY then when CCP begs us to kill each other again on their hands and knees webcast to the world (they are all going to get laid off and or salaries reduced in my dream world) and they have fixed the troubles (because this lag can happen even with less then 600 people on a node) then fix everything my heart desires do we kill each other again. WHO IS WITH ME? I know this stratEEgery sounds crazy lame boring, might take a few years actually, might be easier if we all join the same alliance, and people will be have to deal with Charlie SHeen like with drawl symptoms from no Blue Flashy Flashy but wont we all be happier once they fix this craptasic game? btw if its not to late please enter my name in the CSM elections and vote for me so my wizzzdom can expand across the all of eve as I fire truth torpedoes from my F18! You mean...you actually pay to play this?I see alot of angry "paying" members from the NC demanding stuff because they actually pay... If you guys spend 1/10th of the time you look blackscreens questioning your leaders how much you ll be getting from the moon goo,chanses are you would get crappy answers.From those crappy answers some smart people would propably rise and demand stuff wich eventually would lead to some nice drama,wars and smaller entities with far more smarter and better members. But you guys cant and wont do it because lets face it,you are simple peasants waiting some alliance logistic guy to open a trade window to reimburse you from the last CTA you did. What makes you think anyone will take you seriously?You guys are that stupid you pay to watch blackscreens ffs..
Bagehi Caldari Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.22 19:47:00 - [106] Originally by: gala gidas You mean...you actually pay to play this?I see alot of angry "paying" members from the NC demanding stuff because they actually pay... If you guys spend 1/10th of the time you look blackscreens questioning your leaders how much you ll be getting from the moon goo,chanses are you would get crappy answers.From those crappy answers some smart people would propably rise and demand stuff wich eventually would lead to some nice drama,wars and smaller entities with far more smarter and better members. But you guys cant and wont do it because lets face it,you are simple peasants waiting some alliance logistic guy to open a trade window to reimburse you from the last CTA you did. What makes you think anyone will take you seriously?You guys are that stupid you pay to watch blackscreens ffs.. If you weren't so divorced from the reality of null sec, you would feel pretty foolish about that load of silliness you just spouted. This signature is useless, but it is red.
gala gidas Amarr Parental Control HELL4S	Posted - 2011.03.22 20:02:00 - [107] Edited by: gala gidas on 22/03/2011 20:05:18 Originally by: Bagehi Originally by: gala gidas You mean...you actually pay to play this?I see alot of angry "paying" members from the NC demanding stuff because they actually pay... If you guys spend 1/10th of the time you look blackscreens questioning your leaders how much you ll be getting from the moon goo,chanses are you would get crappy answers.From those crappy answers some smart people would propably rise and demand stuff wich eventually would lead to some nice drama,wars and smaller entities with far more smarter and better members. But you guys cant and wont do it because lets face it,you are simple peasants waiting some alliance logistic guy to open a trade window to reimburse you from the last CTA you did. What makes you think anyone will take you seriously?You guys are that stupid you pay to watch blackscreens ffs.. If you weren't so divorced from the reality of null sec, you would feel pretty foolish about that load of silliness you just spouted. Oh my,when i grow up in EVE i will go join a blob and watch blackscreens.I will fly crap,i will undock only when a proper alliance FC is on,then Titan bridge somewhere for the wallet of my masters.When i ll get blackscreened,i ll go rage about it in forums too blaming everyone else except my self.
Bagehi Caldari Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.22 20:14:00 - [108] Originally by: gala gidas Oh my,when i grow up in EVE i will go join a blob and watch blackscreens.I will fly crap,i will undock only when a proper alliance FC,then Titan bridge somewhere for the wallet of my masters.When i ll get blackscreened,i ll go rage about it in forums too blaming everyone else except my self. How am i doing?Foolish enough to join? Pretty sure I've seen more blackscreens while flying in alliances not in the NC than in the NC for one. Pretty sure you flew in COW when I was in GC and probably experienced this. Pretty sure the ships and fittings you use are pretty similar to the ones I use, but you are welcome to call the stuff you fly crap. I'm pretty bad at listening to FCs who are pussies and we have a few. Titan bridges are nice when we get them, but the fights are happening only a few jumps away so we don't use them right now. I didn't rage. Why would I blame myself? This signature is useless, but it is red.
Levistus Junior Caldari Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2011.03.22 20:40:00 - [109] Originally by: Grath Telkin Originally by: Levistus Junior Which of those corps/alliances hold any meaningful amount of space that they have fought for (vs. at least a moderately competent entity)? Well since there are only 2 entities in the NC that actually fought for their original space I'm not sure why this matters to you. Every single member of the NC since then has not had to fight to gain its space, it was gifted, then defended by an ever increasing coalition of members. My point was that you can't really hold space ATM without numbers, unless the guys that try to take your space are completely incompetent.
gala gidas Amarr Parental Control HELL4S	Posted - 2011.03.22 20:51:00 - [110] Of course i had blob fights as part of COW both in Geminate and further north.I even remember thinking how awesome the guys i was flying are to kill 400 NC peeps that never loaded grid but then someone else told me what is happening.Then some days later i jumped too and never loaded.After a month of grinding W.I,they left and got to see after that the uber cluster **** in North. So yeah,i ve seen and know very well how null sec operates and i ve chosen my gamestyle.I dont blame anyone when my small alliance gangs runs from bigger entities because i ve chosen this. I surely dont make threads blaming CCP about the fact your alliance has 3/4 of EVE blue simply because i dont care,you are all red or neut to me anyway.Watching the blob side(thats for all blobs)crying for hacks,lag or whatever stupid excuses when something doesnt go their way,eventhough they know better than me how this game works is just funny though...

Bagehi Caldari Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.22 21:02:00 - [111] Originally by: gala gidas Of course i had blob fights as part of COW both in Geminate and further north.I even remember thinking how awesome the guys i was flying are to kill 400 NC peeps that never loaded grid but then someone else told me what is happening.Then some days later i jumped too and never loaded.After a month of grinding W.I,they left and got to see after that the uber cluster **** in North. So yeah,i ve seen and know very well how null sec operates and i ve chosen my gamestyle.I dont blame anyone when my small alliance gangs runs from bigger entities because i ve chosen this. I surely dont make threads blaming CCP about the fact your alliance has 3/4 of EVE blue simply because i dont care,you are all red or neut to me anyway.Watching the blob side(thats for all blobs)crying for hacks,lag or whatever stupid excuses when something doesnt go their way,eventhough they know better than me how this game works is just funny though... Yeah, remember what Geminate was like then? That's pretty much the exact same as it is now. Same systems even. At issue is the game mechanics are heavily in favor of the numbers game. CCP knows the limitations of their servers. They need to come up with sov mechanics that are more complex than build the biggest fleet you can then throw it at the enemy fleet. This signature is useless, but it is red.
Vaporize Gallente United Kings R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.22 22:17:00 - [112] Originally by: Captain Thunk That is an awesome post. fakeedit: wait, you actually count structure mails as kills? Hey fat jesus, you know how many times I have heard people complain about not being a killmail after shooting pos's for hours or days? At least 2. The point is large scale combat in eve is a joke. We got nothing better to play so we are trapped by the few moments when the game works and those moments carry us helplessly but hopefully to another moment of fun. The greatest scam in Eve is playing Eve hoping that CCP will come up with a solution to a engineering issue that cannot be solved by the greatest minds in human history. I stopped blaming CCP years ago for it. Fighting in lag is reality and always will be, if its not laggy be thankful.
The FunkyMonk Amarr The Executives	Posted - 2011.03.22 22:28:00 - [113] Edited by: The FunkyMonk on 22/03/2011 22:29:59 Originally by: Captain Thunk That is an awesome post. fakeedit: wait, you actually count structure mails as kills? D...d...dad???? Is that... you??? Edit: No, no it can't be my father. My mother told me went out to an all you can eat burrito lunch and was never seen again
Captain Thunk Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.03.22 23:01:00 - [114] Originally by: The FunkyMonk D...d...dad???? Is that... you??? Edit: No, no it can't be my father. My mother told me went out to an all you can eat burrito lunch and was never seen again More likely long lost brother
ZaknafeinX Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.03.22 23:02:00 - [115] Originally by: Captain Thunk Originally by: The FunkyMonk D...d...dad???? Is that... you??? Edit: No, no it can't be my father. My mother told me went out to an all you can eat burrito lunch and was never seen again More likely long lost brother Posting in a family reunion thread.
Captain Thunk Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.03.22 23:16:00 - [116] Originally by: Bagehi Yeah, remember what Geminate was like then? That's pretty much the exact same as it is now. Same systems even. At issue is the game mechanics are heavily in favor of the numbers game. CCP knows the limitations of their servers. They need to come up with sov mechanics that are more complex than build the biggest fleet you can then throw it at the enemy fleet. The game is freeform. If you can't think outside "bigger numbers = win" then that's your lookout. There is nothing CCP can ever do to match what you can potentially throw at the server, this isn't CCPs fault - it's yours for being part of the problem when you could easily choose not to be. Originally by: Vaporize Hey fat jesus, you know how many times I have heard people complain about not being a killmail after shooting pos's for hours or days? At least 2. The point is large scale combat in eve is a joke. We got nothing better to play so we are trapped by the few moments when the game works and those moments carry us helplessly but hopefully to another moment of fun. The greatest scam in Eve is playing Eve hoping that CCP will come up with a solution to a engineering issue that cannot be solved by the greatest minds in human history. I stopped blaming CCP years ago for it. Fighting in lag is reality and always will be, if its not laggy be thankful. I'd say whatever you were told that convinced you that draeks in their 1000s is a good tactic is a far greater scam. Instead of complaining, you should actually be congratulating CCP for what they have achieved. The ability for hundreds of players to fight in the same system on a single sharded universe is actually quite a technical feat. You complaining all day because you want to scale it to the thousands doesn't actually undermine this no matter how much you wish it does. The stupidity is solely yours, you could easily fly better ships so require less numbers if you were actually any good at the game (like many others do). But you can't, you really are that bad. The only thing you can do is lemming madly into a system and here you are demanding that CCP start rewriting the game to accomodate your "tactic".
The FunkyMonk Amarr The Executives	Posted - 2011.03.22 23:35:00 - [117] Originally by: ZaknafeinX Originally by: Captain Thunk Originally by: The FunkyMonk D...d...dad???? Is that... you??? Edit: No, no it can't be my father. My mother told me went out to an all you can eat burrito lunch and was never seen again More likely long lost brother Posting in a family reunion thread. Get your filthy hands off my inheritance, sonny-jim. I was here first.
Delinquent00 Amarr dark underground training operation Ka'ge Kumi	Posted - 2011.03.22 23:43:00 - [118] AHAHAHAHA ass handed to him on forums is funny. NC cry because they cannot fit more in system. CCP fixes it, NC bring more to lag it out again. CCP is tired of dealing with them. end of story, close thread.
Vaporize Gallente United Kings R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.23 06:26:00 - [119] Edited by: Vaporize on 23/03/2011 06:26:43 Originally by: Captain Thunk Originally by: Bagehi Yeah, remember what Geminate was like then? That's pretty much the exact same as it is now. Same systems even. At issue is the game mechanics are heavily in favor of the numbers game. CCP knows the limitations of their servers. They need to come up with sov mechanics that are more complex than build the biggest fleet you can then throw it at the enemy fleet. The game is freeform. If you can't think outside "bigger numbers = win" then that's your lookout. There is nothing CCP can ever do to match what you can potentially throw at the server, this isn't CCPs fault - it's yours for being part of the problem when you could easily choose not to be. Originally by: Vaporize Hey fat jesus, you know how many times I have heard people complain about not being a killmail after shooting pos's for hours or days? At least 2. The point is large scale combat in eve is a joke. We got nothing better to play so we are trapped by the few moments when the game works and those moments carry us helplessly but hopefully to another moment of fun. The greatest scam in Eve is playing Eve hoping that CCP will come up with a solution to a engineering issue that cannot be solved by the greatest minds in human history. I stopped blaming CCP years ago for it. Fighting in lag is reality and always will be, if its not laggy be thankful. I'd say whatever you were told that convinced you that draeks in their 1000s is a good tactic is a far greater scam. Instead of complaining, you should actually be congratulating CCP for what they have achieved. The ability for hundreds of players to fight in the same system on a single sharded universe is actually quite a technical feat. You complaining all day because you want to scale it to the thousands doesn't actually undermine this no matter how much you wish it does. The stupidity is solely yours, you could easily fly better ships so require less numbers if you were actually any good at the game (like many others do). But you can't, you really are that bad. The only thing you can do is lemming madly into a system and here you are demanding that CCP start rewriting the game to accomodate your "tactic". Fat Jesus, think we are are agreeing with each other. I cant fly a drake, never flew in a 1000 missile spam drake army, and don't have a "tactic", got 300k in missiles with this char not even heavy missiles. You seemed to have sucked down a lot of the CCP Koolade mixed with horsey juice, and a bit of vodka in a lot of your posts but your a fan boy I understand. As someone that has some engineering talent who probably understands the limits better then most you are saying that you have no ideas that would help CCP make the game better? You must read the technical report blogs? Right? Most recent post about the lag removal from the CCP technical team shows that they are still catching up to things that were done by console programers a decade or more ago to compress the data and speed up the game, its good progress but they are still behind. Dude you did a great job adding to the killboard system, aren't you that guy who wrote the cron job code? Why are you still working for isk go get a job there, help them. Time to stop playing the game, spamming forums, and help make the game.
Salvatore Pizanno Gallente United Kings R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.23 09:05:00 - [120] Bah... You can't beat the blob it's human nature for people to join up forces for one common goal. What do you consider a blob? 5 vs 10? 5 vs 50? 5 vs 100? or 5 vs 1000? Doesn't matter what corp/alliance/coalition you're in, any fleets these days it's either you blob them or they blob you. You even bring a small roam of 20 pilots to a hostile region and expect to get blobbed with twice the amount of your numbers or more. Pleast no make funt of Russian

Misanth Amarr RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.03.23 10:06:00 - [121] Originally by: Levistus Junior Originally by: Ace Frehley Simple solution instead of wheine, join an allaince or corp that dosent have billions and billions of players blued so they can only fight when they meet billions of enemies. Have had some excellent fights with 70 vs 70 and smaller. Even got hotdropped as the big boys, but we killed the cyno so quick so they couldnt bring in everything. This was managed by not haveing to many squized into 1 system, but like 50-60, no lag, can play with brackets on, excellent modulerespons. CCP delivers what they promise to me. Sorry you so dumb that you only goal is to break the server Which of those corps/alliances hold any meaningful amount of space that they have fought for (vs. at least a moderately competent entity)? Not to mention that owning space is only relevant for supercap producers, and some limited use to other carebears. -
Ace Frehley Minmatar Mercenaries of Andosia Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.03.23 11:18:00 - [122] Originally by: Levistus Junior Originally by: Ace Frehley Simple solution instead of wheine, join an allaince or corp that dosent have billions and billions of players blued so they can only fight when they meet billions of enemies. Have had some excellent fights with 70 vs 70 and smaller. Even got hotdropped as the big boys, but we killed the cyno so quick so they couldnt bring in everything. This was managed by not haveing to many squized into 1 system, but like 50-60, no lag, can play with brackets on, excellent modulerespons. CCP delivers what they promise to me. Sorry you so dumb that you only goal is to break the server Which of those corps/alliances hold any meaningful amount of space that they have fought for (vs. at least a moderately competent entity)? Lets see.. In NC that would be Razor I think, they took back their from ****. and then, dunno.. RAWR maybe? Rest of NC?... dont think so. PL, maybe depends if they try to keep it... Dunno if we can say Provi is good space Dunno about the easten russian side, wasnt active when Atlas vanished.... So you say most alliance are crap, I must agree, cuz they blue everything cuz they so scared of fighting for their space...
Bagehi Caldari Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.23 17:27:00 - [123] Edited by: Bagehi on 23/03/2011 17:28:06 Originally by: Ace Frehley Originally by: Levistus Junior Originally by: Ace Frehley Simple solution instead of wheine, join an allaince or corp that dosent have billions and billions of players blued so they can only fight when they meet billions of enemies. Have had some excellent fights with 70 vs 70 and smaller. Even got hotdropped as the big boys, but we killed the cyno so quick so they couldnt bring in everything. This was managed by not haveing to many squized into 1 system, but like 50-60, no lag, can play with brackets on, excellent modulerespons. CCP delivers what they promise to me. Sorry you so dumb that you only goal is to break the server Which of those corps/alliances hold any meaningful amount of space that they have fought for (vs. at least a moderately competent entity)? Lets see.. In NC that would be Razor I think, they took back their from ****. and then, dunno.. RAWR maybe? Rest of NC?... dont think so. PL, maybe depends if they try to keep it... Dunno if we can say Provi is good space Dunno about the easten russian side, wasnt active when Atlas vanished.... So you say most alliance are crap, I must agree, cuz they blue everything cuz they so scared of fighting for their space... I was. I was flying on the oppposite side when R.A.G.E and a few others pushed Atlas and friends out of Gem not too long after the lag fest that was taking Geminate from WI. The fighting in Geminate is a giant pile of deja vu for me and many others. The difference between the first time and now is about 2x the numbers. It would be great if we could say "you know guys, lets just limit fights to 255 on each side" and go at it. That isn't going to happen. The DRC wants this space and are throwing 1000+ man fleets at us so we're throwing the same back at them. If we limited ourselves to a couple hundred and tried to defend the space, we'd look as foolish as the other alliances who have posted in this thread about how the lag is our fault, but cry about blobs whenever they lose because someone brings a larger fleet. If you want to hold space, you have to bring numbers. That's the game mechanics whether you like it or not. I don't like it, but I deal with it. This signature is useless, but it is red.
Grath Telkin Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.03.23 19:12:00 - [124] Originally by: Bagehi If you want to hold space, you have to bring numbers. That's the game mechanics whether you like it or not. I don't like it, but I deal with it. Actually, thats the way you see the mechanics, its not the way they are. There are an infinite number of ways to blue ball your enemy with a single man with the 6 RF timers that need to go down per station. You complain that the DRF is throwing 1000 man fleets at you. Guess why. They already know that your coalition will bring everything and the sink to the fight anyway. You've created your own hell, and whats worse, is your staying in it by choice. You don't NEED numbers, you've just tricked yourself into believing the only way to hold space is with them. Numbers can't always save you, and 7 out of 10 times they hurt you by killing the game.
xKillswitchx Caldari Reliables Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.03.23 19:21:00 - [125] You know one of the ways CCP could work to solve the lag problem which has been talked about in the past is to eliminate missiles. You can still "have missiles" you just wouldn't have the lag time from when they are fired to when they actually hit something. If the node doesn't have to track each and every missile, it would reduce the load. There are ways to solve this lap problem, CCP needs to just find a way to work around the problem and solve it.
Cloe Toombs Caldari Arachnea Phoenix Securities Hoodlums Associates	Posted - 2011.03.23 20:25:00 - [126] One way to fix the lag..err blob issue is to un-nerf carriers so they're able to transport haulers with any type of goods in the cargo hold and not just ammo. This will present a challenge to established mega coalitions in the form of smaller gung ho alliances being able to ship supplies into null-sec without requiring them to have sov and jump bridges and beacon POSes and what not, thus creating a lot of small gang pvp out there again... post 2007/08 has showed time and again, the babble from CCP about adding features to counter blobs is pure BS, and that they infact are doing quite the opposite.


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