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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.02.04 06:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Turboneger
Edited by: Turboneger on 04/02/2005 04:01:00
i liked it.
was original... something fresh... not to mention, the perfect loot hauler.
Guess who bought that ship AND skill 
We should start petition that leave mass same, perhaps reduce space to 2.5k m3 but up the skill req to lvl4. That way it would be different hauler and really something refreshing .. LOOT COLLECTOR! Yes please CCP!
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Haiyooo
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Posted - 2005.02.04 06:38:00 -
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I think it's still decent even once set to 155m/s. It has 5 lowslots, fill them with nanos and you're still going to be getting 300+ m/s with low navigation & indy skills.
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.02.04 06:40:00 -
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Olivin
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Posted - 2005.02.04 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
255 is a typo, it should be 155. These things happen.
It's sucks, really. I already bought skills and ship ( over 2 mil)
in hope to have ( finally)a fast hauler. Can i pettion it and get
full refund including for the full day of traing? 
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Arthur Guinness
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Posted - 2005.02.04 07:38:00 -
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sigil will still be the fastest indy.
It'll have reasonable cargo for that speed and a godly amount of lows.
It will still be a decent indy, just a bit more balanced compared to Iteron and Badger... the other indies which only require lvl1 indy. |
MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2005.02.04 07:49:00 -
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The Sigil will be total %$ú@# now. I guess the 2¢ Warp Multiplier is a typo too  
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Valen L'eganas
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Posted - 2005.02.04 08:02:00 -
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Well, I bought one, thinking it was a cheap tech2 ship
After 1 minute, saw it was tech 1. 
Fitted it and see what it could do, but with my skills it also gave a speed of 350 m/s. Is this to be 'corrected'? Because its spec indeed make it an ideal blockade runner indeed.
Besides, I realy like the look of it, reminds me of the Kadesh Fuel Pod in the Homeworld game (and looks like a snail).
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ElfeGER
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Posted - 2005.02.04 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se
Anybody notice that the new tech1 Amarrian industrial, the Sigil, has a speed of 255m/s? Do you realize that the fastest industrial up until this point had a max of 125m/s? This new ship is twice as fast as any other tech1 industrial.
The fastest tech2 blockade runner has 185m/s. This tech1 ship outclasses all tech2 blockade runners in speed. The Sigil only requires Amarr Industrial 1. Half an hour of training will get you a faster ship than spending a month getting a blockade runner! Why do they get such an ³ber ship??
255 is a typo, it should be 155. These things happen.
oh no
Keep it at 255m/s please. I just brought the bpo because of the speed.
Maybe reduce the cargo to 2500m¦ or even 2000m¦ but don't slow the ship down.
Or reduce the armor/structure value to about 400 each.
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Puke Skystalker
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Posted - 2005.02.04 10:58:00 -
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Quote:
Come on, you didnt expect Amar to remain crap in this area for ever?
How could we, Ammar have the best NPCing ships, best mining ship, best PvP ship, best guns in game....surely yes they must also need the best indy's too.
When I started this game there were four races - today there is one.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2005.02.04 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Puke Skystalker
Quote:
Come on, you didnt expect Amar to remain crap in this area for ever?
How could we, Ammar have the best NPCing ships, best mining ship, best PvP ship, best guns in game....surely yes they must also need the best indy's too.
When I started this game there were four races - today there is one.
When I last saw stats, Caldari were around 50% of all players...
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Arthur Guinness
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Posted - 2005.02.04 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Riddari
Originally by: Puke Skystalker
Quote:
Come on, you didnt expect Amar to remain crap in this area for ever?
How could we, Ammar have the best NPCing ships, best mining ship, best PvP ship, best guns in game....surely yes they must also need the best indy's too.
When I started this game there were four races - today there is one.
When I last saw stats, Caldari were around 50% of all players...
Because we learned to fly amarr \o/ |
CCP Hammer
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Posted - 2005.02.04 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Ah nuts Hammer, it's cool and unique and all that :/
Btw, are you going to boost the skill req for the Bessie to say Amarr Indy 3 then?
There was talk of that but it was decide that not much would be gained by nerfing the bestower skill reqs. It would make more sense but everyone hates nerfs. The industrials are weird; imagine the screams on the forums if one race had 1 battleship, one race had 2 battleships, one race had 3 battleships and one race had 5 battleships.
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Marnix
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Posted - 2005.02.04 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Ah nuts Hammer, it's cool and unique and all that :/
Btw, are you going to boost the skill req for the Bessie to say Amarr Indy 3 then?
There was talk of that but it was decide that not much would be gained by nerfing the bestower skill reqs. It would make more sense but everyone hates nerfs. The industrials are weird; imagine the screams on the forums if one race had 1 battleship, one race had 2 battleships, one race had 3 battleships and one race had 5 battleships.
Out of pure interest, now you're adding new ships. Are you planning to add a sixth Amarr Frigate aswell? 
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CCP Hammer
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Posted - 2005.02.04 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Marnix
Originally by: CCP Hammer
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Ah nuts Hammer, it's cool and unique and all that :/
Btw, are you going to boost the skill req for the Bessie to say Amarr Indy 3 then?
There was talk of that but it was decide that not much would be gained by nerfing the bestower skill reqs. It would make more sense but everyone hates nerfs. The industrials are weird; imagine the screams on the forums if one race had 1 battleship, one race had 2 battleships, one race had 3 battleships and one race had 5 battleships.
Out of pure interest, now you're adding new ships. Are you planning to add a sixth Amarr Frigate aswell?
The sigil got added because of the elite version. I'd personally rather see the artists working on new classes of ships that people would actually want to fly as opposed to the amarrian version of the navitas.
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Marnix
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Posted - 2005.02.04 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
Originally by: Marnix
Originally by: CCP Hammer
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Ah nuts Hammer, it's cool and unique and all that :/
Btw, are you going to boost the skill req for the Bessie to say Amarr Indy 3 then?
There was talk of that but it was decide that not much would be gained by nerfing the bestower skill reqs. It would make more sense but everyone hates nerfs. The industrials are weird; imagine the screams on the forums if one race had 1 battleship, one race had 2 battleships, one race had 3 battleships and one race had 5 battleships.
Out of pure interest, now you're adding new ships. Are you planning to add a sixth Amarr Frigate aswell?
The sigil got added because of the elite version. I'd personally rather see the artists working on new classes of ships that people would actually want to fly as opposed to the amarrian version of the navitas.
Certainly. Tt's just bugging me as Amarr are now out of ships to use for BlackOp Frigates.
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pardux
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Posted - 2005.02.04 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Marnix
Certainly. Tt's just bugging me as Amarr are now out of ships to use for BlackOp Frigates.
black op cruisers?(blackbird and others)
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Marnix
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Posted - 2005.02.04 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: pardux
Originally by: Marnix
Certainly. Tt's just bugging me as Amarr are now out of ships to use for BlackOp Frigates.
black op cruisers?(blackbird and others)
It would work. Except the Amarr cruisers start at ONE medslot and go up all the way to the magical number of THREE! I can imagine the uses already!
J/k mate, im ALSO annoyed at the lack of usefullness of Amarr cruisers. So by all means, give us more Elite Cruisers. (I know the Sacrilege and Zealot are good, i fly them. But everything regular that isnt a BS isnt too good.)
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2005.02.04 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Marnix
Originally by: CCP Hammer
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Ah nuts Hammer, it's cool and unique and all that :/
Btw, are you going to boost the skill req for the Bessie to say Amarr Indy 3 then?
There was talk of that but it was decide that not much would be gained by nerfing the bestower skill reqs. It would make more sense but everyone hates nerfs. The industrials are weird; imagine the screams on the forums if one race had 1 battleship, one race had 2 battleships, one race had 3 battleships and one race had 5 battleships.
Out of pure interest, now you're adding new ships. Are you planning to add a sixth Amarr Frigate aswell?
I think they should. Mainly the basic version of the Magnate.
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Marnix
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Posted - 2005.02.04 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Slithereen
I think they should. Mainly the basic version of the Magnate.
Yes, i agree. But i don't see it happening. As Hammer pointed out, the ship would be little more then eyecandy. But then again, maybe that is the problem...The fact that only a VERY limited number of ships posses a role.
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Kyroki Tirpellan
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Posted - 2005.02.04 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
I'd personally rather see the artists working on new classes of ships that people would actually want to fly as opposed to the amarrian version of the navitas.
Actually, the amarr version of the Navitas exists; the Tormentor is about equavalent. It's the Amarr version of the Heron/Probe/Imicus that's missing. And as a matter of fact, I know that a model for an amarrian Devoter class frigate exists which could/should be used  I haven't got a screen, but maybe this piece of Concept Art might refresh someone's memory. Always wondered why it got left out. That one and the Belladrine class Amarr Battleship were in the original ship database (waaaay back), complete with screens, description and a blueprint.
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Marnix
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Posted - 2005.02.04 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: Marnix on 04/02/2005 14:33:46
Originally by: Kyroki Tirpellan
Originally by: CCP Hammer
I'd personally rather see the artists working on new classes of ships that people would actually want to fly as opposed to the amarrian version of the navitas.
Actually, the amarr version of the Navitas exists; the Tormentor is about equavalent. It's the Amarr version of the Heron/Probe/Imicus that's missing. And as a matter of fact, I know that a model for an amarrian Devoter class frigate exists which could/should be used I haven't got a screen, but maybe this piece of Concept Art might refresh someone's memory. Always wondered why it got left out. That one and the Belladrine class Amarr Battleship were in the original ship database (waaaay back), complete with screens, description and a blueprint.
Screenies ftw!
EDIT: /me takes spelling classes.
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2005.02.04 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Marnix
Originally by: CCP Hammer
Originally by: Marnix
Originally by: CCP Hammer
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Ah nuts Hammer, it's cool and unique and all that :/
Btw, are you going to boost the skill req for the Bessie to say Amarr Indy 3 then?
There was talk of that but it was decide that not much would be gained by nerfing the bestower skill reqs. It would make more sense but everyone hates nerfs. The industrials are weird; imagine the screams on the forums if one race had 1 battleship, one race had 2 battleships, one race had 3 battleships and one race had 5 battleships.
Out of pure interest, now you're adding new ships. Are you planning to add a sixth Amarr Frigate aswell?
The sigil got added because of the elite version. I'd personally rather see the artists working on new classes of ships that people would actually want to fly as opposed to the amarrian version of the navitas.
Certainly. Tt's just bugging me as Amarr are now out of ships to use for BlackOp Frigates.
Ooh Elite navitas sometime ? I have very fond memorys of that ship from beta, both from when it was the intaki's newbieship (and one of the best, imho) and when it was upped to a full frigate class after the ugly velator got made all-gallente newbie ship, but before the later changes made such a rigid tier/power structure. (ie it was a good solid all round ship, as ships went at the time)
Gorgeous little ship imho, shame its just not all that usefull in the long run these days.
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Kyroki Tirpellan
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Posted - 2005.02.04 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Kyroki Tirpellan on 04/02/2005 15:55:00
Originally by: Marnix
Screenies ftw!
EDIT: /me takes spelling classes.
Hey, cool, didn't know Evegate had these screens Found one of the Belladrine as well!
Edit: And an unused cruiser model, Crusader. Kinda like that one. They'd have to change the name though 
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Vicker Lahn'se
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Posted - 2005.02.04 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zyrla Bladestorm
Originally by: Marnix
Originally by: CCP Hammer
Originally by: Marnix
Originally by: CCP Hammer
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Ah nuts Hammer, it's cool and unique and all that :/
Btw, are you going to boost the skill req for the Bessie to say Amarr Indy 3 then?
There was talk of that but it was decide that not much would be gained by nerfing the bestower skill reqs. It would make more sense but everyone hates nerfs. The industrials are weird; imagine the screams on the forums if one race had 1 battleship, one race had 2 battleships, one race had 3 battleships and one race had 5 battleships.
Out of pure interest, now you're adding new ships. Are you planning to add a sixth Amarr Frigate aswell?
The sigil got added because of the elite version. I'd personally rather see the artists working on new classes of ships that people would actually want to fly as opposed to the amarrian version of the navitas.
Certainly. Tt's just bugging me as Amarr are now out of ships to use for BlackOp Frigates.
Ooh Elite navitas sometime ? I have very fond memorys of that ship from beta, both from when it was the intaki's newbieship (and one of the best, imho) and when it was upped to a full frigate class after the ugly velator got made all-gallente newbie ship, but before the later changes made such a rigid tier/power structure. (ie it was a good solid all round ship, as ships went at the time)
Gorgeous little ship imho, shame its just not all that usefull in the long run these days.
I wonder how many quotes can fit inside a quote...
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Emsigma
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Posted - 2005.02.08 00:16:00 -
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What was the use of adding the Sigil then if it really was a typo? I mean... right now cruisers are definitly the most useless class used just because alot of cruisers were added without filling a purpose.
Who is using any other cruiser than blackbird, thorax, maller, rupture, caracal, osprey and moa?
It really seems like indys does the same... iteron mk1-mk3 are totally useless and so is that weird minnie one and badger mk1.
Get more ships into the game that really can be used for something.
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