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Vicker Lahn'se
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Posted - 2005.02.03 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Vicker Lahn'se on 04/02/2005 14:28:25
Anybody notice that the new tech1 Amarrian industrial, the Sigil, has a speed of 255m/s? Do you realize that the fastest industrial up until this point had a max of 125m/s? This new ship is twice as fast as any other tech1 industrial.
The fastest tech2 blockade runner has 185m/s. This tech1 ship outclasses all tech2 blockade runners in speed. The Sigil only requires Amarr Industrial 1. Half an hour of training will get you a faster ship than spending a month getting a blockade runner! Why do they get such an ³ber ship??
EDIT: I would consider this ship to be perfectly balanced if it had half the cargo capacity that it currently has. I don't have a problem with a speedy indy, as long as there is a tradeoff for having it. I agree with the people who are petitioning to keep the speed what it is now.
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Sheraad
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Posted - 2005.02.03 17:57:00 -
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Your reasoning breaks down when you conclude the sigil is uber rather than the blockade-runner ships not up to par, but in any case, the +3 warp strength is far more significant. Consider also the masses. In any case, no-one's going to use any race but the gallente transport ships, surely.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.02.03 18:02:00 -
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Translation: "I trained Gallante Industrial V. ****."
Come on, you didnt expect Amar to remain crap in this area for ever?
*Ben Kenobi: You will train for Amar ships.
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.02.03 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Steele on 03/02/2005 18:05:20
i think the amarr T2 version will have more cargospace then the galante t2 or the IV, the only problem is its sloooooww..
The blocade runners need a bit of a speed boost imho, the deep space transports need one too as at 80m/s they are too slow admitidly with all those resists im sure they can take a beeting.
Good think about having galante 5 is that you can use an iteon v which is, well cheep as chips. The T2 ships as with most T2 will be a complete rip off, still researchers need to make money from there bpo's they get for free eh?? (im just bitter and twisted because my agent hasnt dropped one yet)
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CCP Hammer
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Posted - 2005.02.03 18:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se
Anybody notice that the new tech1 Amarrian industrial, the Sigil, has a speed of 255m/s? Do you realize that the fastest industrial up until this point had a max of 125m/s? This new ship is twice as fast as any other tech1 industrial.
The fastest tech2 blockade runner has 185m/s. This tech1 ship outclasses all tech2 blockade runners in speed. The Sigil only requires Amarr Industrial 1. Half an hour of training will get you a faster ship than spending a month getting a blockade runner! Why do they get such an ³ber ship??
255 is a typo, it should be 155. These things happen.
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Helmut 314
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Posted - 2005.02.03 18:09:00 -
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NOOOOOO, please please!
I lub it, please mr Minmatar , let it keep the speed!
*offers special "services" in return for the speed*
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.02.03 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se
Anybody notice that the new tech1 Amarrian industrial, the Sigil, has a speed of 255m/s? Do you realize that the fastest industrial up until this point had a max of 125m/s? This new ship is twice as fast as any other tech1 industrial.
The fastest tech2 blockade runner has 185m/s. This tech1 ship outclasses all tech2 blockade runners in speed. The Sigil only requires Amarr Industrial 1. Half an hour of training will get you a faster ship than spending a month getting a blockade runner! Why do they get such an ³ber ship??
255 is a typo, it should be 155. These things happen.
not with QM
Wanna fly with me?
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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.02.03 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 03/02/2005 18:10:09
Well... I kinda suspected it was too good to be true.
...but in that case, the very high mass is outrageous. Is that a typo too Hammer?
The Cos
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CCP Hammer
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Posted - 2005.02.03 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 03/02/2005 18:10:09
Well... I kinda suspected it was too good to be true.
...but in that case, the very high mass is outrageous. Is that a typo too Hammer?
The Cos
Yeah, mass was 2x too much.
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RedClaws
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Posted - 2005.02.03 18:14:00 -
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damn and i just bought one...
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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.02.03 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 03/02/2005 18:10:09
Well... I kinda suspected it was too good to be true.
...but in that case, the very high mass is outrageous. Is that a typo too Hammer?
The Cos
Yeah, mass was 2x too much.
Well... nerfage and un-nerfage in one blow... fair enough. 
Thanks for info Hammer.
The Cos
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Vicker Lahn'se
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Posted - 2005.02.03 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
Translation: "I trained Gallante Industrial V. ****."
Come on, you didnt expect Amar to remain crap in this area for ever?
*Ben Kenobi: You will train for Amar ships.
No, actualy I usualy only train my race's ships (Matari). The only Gallente ship I have ever flown was the shuttle.
Also, I'm a bit upset to find out that it was a typo, considering I just bought one. Is the typo in the ship's coding or just in the description? Does this ship really fly that fast for the moment? If so, will it remain unfixed until the industrial torny that I was gunna fly it in? =)
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HostageTaker
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Posted - 2005.02.03 19:01:00 -
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LMAO, I got one just to test the speed of the thing; got it moving at 1649m/s
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Vicker Lahn'se
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Posted - 2005.02.03 19:06:00 -
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Sweet! Please don't fix this until after the 12th. I'd really love to use this in the industrial torny. =D
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.02.03 19:12:00 -
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Ah nuts Hammer, it's cool and unique and all that :/
Btw, are you going to boost the skill req for the Bessie to say Amarr Indy 3 then?
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.02.03 19:30:00 -
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Are you sure its a typo....cos I was flyin one unfitted yesterday and with my skills it was doin 350m/s
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.02.03 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Steele on 03/02/2005 19:56:23
Originally by: CCP Hammer
255 is a typo, it should be 155. These things happen.
Damn the one thing ccp did right with the sigil and its a typo, it did sound to good to be true a fast low cargo capacity blockade running ship.
i guess with amarr industrial and nav 5 it would go 398m/s which is faster then a frigate, i think there should be a compromise speed mabye 190, then it would go 273m/s with nav 4 and Amarr Indy 4.
Remember it does have low capacity and it isnt meant to be a super hauler like the iteron.
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Asestorian
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Posted - 2005.02.03 20:14:00 -
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minmatar should have the fastest everything, else whats the bloody point of minmatar supposedly being the speed people?!
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Sentani
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Posted - 2005.02.03 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: Sentani on 03/02/2005 20:38:22
The Ammars arnt supose to have good indys...
may i refare to the chronicle: A Visit Worthwhile
Despite being the largest of the empires their trade fleet was not up to par and Caldari and Gallentean traders
seems like proof
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Marnix
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Posted - 2005.02.03 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sentani
Edited by: Sentani on 03/02/2005 20:38:22
The Ammars arnt supose to have good indys...
may i refare to the chronicle: A Visit Worthwhile
Despite being the largest of the empires their trade fleet was not up to par and Caldari and Gallentean traders
seems like proof
Its Amarr. And if you want to use the Chronicles to prove stuff, chew on this. According to the background stories Gallente were the masters of EW.
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pshepherd
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Posted - 2005.02.03 20:51:00 -
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i thought it said the gallente were masters of drones?
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2005.02.03 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: pshepherd
i thought it said the gallente were masters of drones?
Its also said that Gallente are masters of EW
So when there is an indisputable racial advantage, like the Iteron V had, and it perceptibly dissappears, people are going to point it out.
That being said, Iteron V kept all its old stats. It remains king of the Tech I (read, cheap and easy to replace, instead of 20-50 million) haulers.
Additionally, all Iteron V pilots now have the pole position for getting into an elite indy, even if its not the best elite indy by their standards.
Those who trained Amarr to level 4 (and there are a few of us) actually have a reason to continue what was before a dead end path instead of resorting to finally breaking down and training up Gallente Industrial V. Its all about tradeoffs in the long run vs. short.
We've yet to have the bpo's drop, much less anyone start building any of the tech II industrials, so at the present, even 'best elite indy' is moot.
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Nomen Nescio
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Posted - 2005.02.03 21:01:00 -
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This is amazing stupidity, once you actually get NEW FRIKING OPTION, it turns to be an typo.
Dear CCP, no offence, but why are wasting your time to add junk in the game, you multiply ships with practicaly same stats and you make most of them unusable. No1 uses wreathe, no1 needs another iteron mk1.
What did you add such double mass 3k cargo useless ship with a speed of 155? What for?
The low cargo, double speed was such a great move, i thought "whee! you can actually have DIFFERENT type of hauler", ah, damn it.
Makes me wounder.
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2005.02.03 21:05:00 -
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As to the Sigil, yeah, I woulda preferred the weird stats it had, but with 5 lowslots, and level 1 to use, that does seem unbalanced compared to the other races.
At least the mass is getting halved along with the decrease of base speed.
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Phades
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Posted - 2005.02.03 21:05:00 -
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Aww and i liked it as a little speed demon, but if its only going to be marginally faster than a bestower its just going to end up collecting dust due to the cargo capacity it has.
The tech 2 ships will go faster considering they can mount a mwd without adding fittings to make it fit right on the ship. If the sigil is to get slower, then other tweaking needs to be done to compensate, because the tech 2 version doesnt make sense when compared against the other tech 2 ship the impel. On the one hand the faster ship has +2 warp core strenght and is slightly faster, but gives up some resists, cargo space, power grid, and low slots. On the other hand you could fit the slower ship with 2 wcs, 2 nano fiber, meduim armor repair, mwd, a armor hardener, and a cap relay; which would create essentially the same ship but performs better than the Prorator, with +2 warp core built in, in every way but the ability to deal damage to an opponent. I believe the ability to deal damage to an opponent in an industrial ship is fairly futile against any player using any normal combat orientated vessle.
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Phades
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Posted - 2005.02.03 21:46:00 -
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Changing the requirements a little to make it more balanced doesnt matter much in the long term, because the real time sink would only occur at level 4 and 5. Even then, the player is still gaining benefit from the enhanced skill level and the skill level is required for the tech 2 variants. Ignoring the industry 5 requirement, this instance essentially gives the gallente 3 tech 2 quality ships, that perform a little differently from each other. This is not a bad thing, but this kind of variety should exists more throughout the game, instead of the all too common, "well my ship can do x and y, hmm maybe i can squeeze a little z into it that this other ship can do as well".
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Flammius
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Posted - 2005.02.03 22:02:00 -
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Keep the speed and mass of the sigil as it is now - just make it require amarr indy lvl4 to fly.
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Turboneger
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Posted - 2005.02.04 03:59:00 -
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Edited by: Turboneger on 04/02/2005 04:01:00
i liked it.
was original... something fresh... not to mention, the perfect loot hauler.
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2005.02.04 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: Flammius
Keep the speed and mass of the sigil as it is now - just make it require amarr indy lvl4 to fly.
Actually I like this idea but i would put it at lvl 5 sinces its only a few days old and would take atleast 15 days for even the fastest of pilot training attributes.
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Vicker Lahn'se
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Posted - 2005.02.04 05:36:00 -
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I say keep the speed, up the skill to 3, and halve the cargo space.
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