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Devil's Call Caldari Blue Republic	Posted - 2011.03.23 01:05:00 - [1] Edited by: Devil''s Call on 23/03/2011 01:13:37 Can anybody tell me whether this is completely ****ed or not...? I can't seem to be able to make a cap stable fit. (Failfit, but this is the direction I wanted it to go, fyi) [Incursion sniper vindi, lawl] Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Domination Tracking Enhancer Domination Tracking Enhancer Domination Tracking Enhancer Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Federation Navy Sensor Booster (Targeting range script) 425mm Railgun II Javelin L 425mm Railgun II Javelin L 425mm Railgun II Javelin L 425mm Railgun II Javelin L 425mm Railgun II Javelin L 425mm Railgun II Javelin L 425mm Railgun II Javelin L 425mm Railgun II Javelin L Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Large Core Field Extender II I tried fitting it with CCC rigs but that doesn't help either. (Still cap hungry like hell:/) The same fit does work allot better with blasters though. But I suspect I should fit a heavy cap booster or something...-.-? Edit:** I just discovered that I can get the blasters to shoot almost as far with a 200 dps gain... seriously, wtf are rails good for? ----------------------------------------------- ôAll fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns.ö
Paikis Red Federation	Posted - 2011.03.23 01:28:00 - [2] Originally by: Devil's Call rails I found your problem.
Spit Chew Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.23 01:33:00 - [3] Don't shield tank much do ya?
Paikis Red Federation	Posted - 2011.03.23 01:52:00 - [4] So I decided I might try being useful. Look at this one, I tried to make it as expensive as I could. [Vindicator, LOLRails] Damage Control II Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Core C-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive Federation Navy Sensor Booster Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Large Core Defence Field Extender II Large Core Defence Field Extender II Large Core Defence Field Extender II Dronz x lots
I likegirls Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.23 02:19:00 - [5] Vindicator should be armor tanked
Spit Chew Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.23 02:20:00 - [6] Edited by: Spit Chew on 23/03/2011 02:20:13 Deliberate failfits shouldnt bother with a little thing like tank. [Vindicator, lol amidoinitrite?] Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Federation Navy Sensor Booster Federation Navy Sensor Booster Federation Navy Sensor Booster Core X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive Domination Warp Disruptor 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Large Hybrid Burst Aerator I Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Acac Sunflyier Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.23 04:12:00 - [7] Originally by: Paikis Originally by: Devil's Call rails I found your problem. I'll have to say that it is a nightmare to catch up to your opponent in an armor tanker to use your blasters. So rails let you hit them when they're using their missiles on you from 70 then 60 then 50 then 65 km.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2011.03.23 07:31:00 - [8] Originally by: Devil's Call Edit: I just discovered that I can get the blasters to shoot almost as far with a 200 dps gain... Wut?
AstarothPrime	Posted - 2011.03.23 08:03:00 - [9] Stopped reading as soon as i saw 2B isk shield tank on sniper armor tanked vessel. You either distance tank, or tank properly. There is no "in between" Regards I.
Seraph Castillon Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.23 11:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Devil's Call Edit: I just discovered that I can get the blasters to shoot almost as far with a 200 dps gain... seriously, wtf are rails good for? Optimal != Falloff
Herrring Amarr National Quality Breaker	Posted - 2011.03.23 14:26:00 - [11] lol at ppl trying to capstablize everything
Devil's Call Caldari Blue Republic	Posted - 2011.03.23 16:26:00 - [12] If your incursion fleet is a shield tanked one, then it needs to be shield tanked obviously. The scenario would support a highly organised fleet with logistics support hence the focus on resists. (100k ehp with all resist above 75% doesn't seem that terrible, or...-.-?) ----------------------------------------------- ôAll fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns.ö
Devil's Call Caldari Blue Republic	Posted - 2011.03.23 16:31:00 - [13] Edited by: Devil''s Call on 23/03/2011 16:32:23 Originally by: AstarothPrime Stopped reading as soon as i saw 2B isk shield tank on sniper armor tanked vessel. You either distance tank, or tank properly. There is no "in between" Regards I. ... speechless ----------------------------------------------- ôAll fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns.ö
Devil's Call Caldari Blue Republic	Posted - 2011.03.23 16:35:00 - [14] Originally by: Herrring lol at ppl trying to capstablize everything So you would rather run out of cap in 1.3minutes, alright. ----------------------------------------------- ôAll fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns.ö
Swynet	Posted - 2011.03.23 16:53:00 - [15] Edited by: Swynet on 23/03/2011 16:54:44 Originally by: I likegirls Vindicator should be armor tanked For logistic efficiency shield tanking is ++++ than armour tanking. Has for rails on a Vindi, yes you'll do some more dmg than with a rails Mega navy but not that much since the Vindi's bonus are the ones that make Blasters on it work better (web bonus), I mean don't expect to spit out over 1500dps with rails has you can with blasters on this ship. I suppose your fit is for incursions so forget the T2 ammo at any case cause it sucks ass hard, pick faction ammo instead then try Neutrons + Tracking enhancers instead of MFS. In a shield fleet with a good T2 fit you can push your OP at over 15km and your total distance over 45km witch is pretty enough. ________________________________________________ Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
Devil's Call Caldari Blue Republic	Posted - 2011.03.23 17:00:00 - [16] Originally by: Swynet Edited by: Swynet on 23/03/2011 16:54:44 Originally by: I likegirls Vindicator should be armor tanked For logistic efficiency shield tanking is ++++ than armour tanking. Has for rails on a Vindi, yes you'll do some more dmg than with a rails Mega navy but not that much since the Vindi's bonus are the ones that make Blasters on it work better (web bonus), I mean don't expect to spit out over 1500dps with rails has you can with blasters on this ship. I suppose your fit is for incursions so forget the T2 ammo at any case cause it sucks ass hard, pick faction ammo instead then try Neutrons + Tracking enhancers instead of MFS. In a shield fleet with a good T2 fit you can push your OP at over 15km and your total distance over 45km witch is pretty enough. Finally somebody who know's what he or she is talking about. With blasters the optimal goes to about 45k yeah, with rails it's 20+60. (1200 dps (with drones) vs 1400ish of the blasters) Fyi, I compared this fit with a machariel sniper fit, and it does way more damage then artillery on a mach ever will. It's not that bad of a fit except that rails are apparently very cap hungry. But yeah, the blaster vindi I already use, I was just thinking about a way to turn it into a sniper platform if called for. ----------------------------------------------- ôAll fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns.ö
Swynet	Posted - 2011.03.23 17:39:00 - [17] Edited by: Swynet on 23/03/2011 17:45:27 Originally by: Devil's Call Originally by: Swynet Edited by: Swynet on 23/03/2011 16:54:44 Originally by: I likegirls Vindicator should be armor tanked For logistic efficiency shield tanking is ++++ than armour tanking. Has for rails on a Vindi, yes you'll do some more dmg than with a rails Mega navy but not that much since the Vindi's bonus are the ones that make Blasters on it work better (web bonus), I mean don't expect to spit out over 1500dps with rails has you can with blasters on this ship. I suppose your fit is for incursions so forget the T2 ammo at any case cause it sucks ass hard, pick faction ammo instead then try Neutrons + Tracking enhancers instead of MFS. In a shield fleet with a good T2 fit you can push your OP at over 15km and your total distance over 45km witch is pretty enough. Finally somebody who know's what he or she is talking about. With blasters the optimal goes to about 45k yeah, with rails it's 20+60. (1200 dps (with drones) vs 1400ish of the blasters) Fyi, I compared this fit with a machariel sniper fit, and it does way more damage then artillery on a mach ever will. It's not that bad of a fit except that rails are apparently very cap hungry. But yeah, the blaster vindi I already use, I was just thinking about a way to turn it into a sniper platform if called for. Then I suggest you to try the rails version with these changes: -Assuming you keep hole resistance rigs +shield ext (so shield tanking) lows: 1xDC2 4xMFS 2xTE med: everything you need to increase your tanking like T2 IF and 2 Tracking computers, one of them with tracking script and the other one with OP distance. You'll have over 75% resists all over the board assuming you've trained your passive shield resists at least at lvl4 and get a little over 100K EHP (about 14/15K shield but with very good resists) You'll win dps by a far better tracking at any range and even abble to blow small stuff under 25km and up to 115 (depending on your skills) between faction AM and Faction Plutonium, I can't get the real numbers out because EFT is pretty wrong in his calculations and second it depends also on your implants skills level etc. I would not advice you to push further than 4 MFS because the forth one is already giving you a very small boost and another one will certainly make one of them absolete. EDIT: I'm assuming your skills are strong enough to equip a 8 full rack of T2 rails and you are cap stable (no matter if it's only 10%) ________________________________________________ Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
Devil's Call Caldari Blue Republic	Posted - 2011.03.23 18:17:00 - [18] I plugged that into EFT, superior setup indeed. And yeah, all skills are at V except rail gun specialization. ----------------------------------------------- ôAll fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns.ö
Swynet	Posted - 2011.03.23 18:25:00 - [19] Originally by: Devil's Call I plugged that into EFT, superior setup indeed. And yeah, all skills are at V except rail gun specialization. Have fun ________________________________________________ Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
Devil's Call Caldari Blue Republic	Posted - 2011.03.23 18:41:00 - [20] Actually that fit still isn't cap stable=P Even with 3x CCC rigs, mhmmz . ----------------------------------------------- ôAll fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns.ö
Paikis Red Federation	Posted - 2011.03.23 21:20:00 - [21] Forget about cap stable. Cap stable is a LIE! Fit a cap booster and then forget about your cap. My mission nightmare has about 90 seconds worth of cap (according to EFT/in-game fitting) and yet I never have cap issues and its rare that I use boosters too. Cap stability is a waste of slots.
Machiavelli's Nemesis Angry Mustellid	Posted - 2011.03.23 21:23:00 - [22] Your Vindicator needs an internal and external refit. Basically drop the fit and the hull and fit a shield buffer Arty-Maelstrom. Better AND cheaper.
Devil's Call Caldari Blue Republic	Posted - 2011.03.23 21:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Machiavelli's Nemesis Your Vindicator needs an internal and external refit. Basically drop the fit and the hull and fit a shield buffer Arty-Maelstrom. Better AND cheaper. Does way less damage, but w/e. ----------------------------------------------- ôAll fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns.ö
Arazel Chainfire The Awakened Armada Infinite Conflux	Posted - 2011.03.23 21:57:00 - [24] Originally by: Devil's Call 425mm Railgun II Javelin L This is your problem. You are loading javelin. You do realize that javelin gives you -75% range, right? And increased Cap usage? If you are going to be in a vindi, you need blasters if you are going shortrange. They outperform rails in every way. However, if you're feeling stupid and want to make a sniper rail vindi, you're going to want something more along the lines of this: [Vindicator, Shield Incursion Rails] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Capacitor Power Relay II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Cap Recharger II 425mm Railgun II, Spike L 425mm Railgun II, Spike L 425mm Railgun II, Spike L 425mm Railgun II, Spike L 425mm Railgun II, Spike L 425mm Railgun II, Spike L 425mm Railgun II, Spike L 425mm Railgun II, Spike L Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Exchange t2 stuff with faction as you can afford. This particular fit has cap that lasts 13min, and does 441 dps at 168km, 761dps at 47km with navy antimatter (note gun only). You can also drop the cap recharger for an afterburner if you want. That being said... rail fitting is pretty ffing pathetic compared to blaster fitting it.
Devil's Call Caldari Blue Republic	Posted - 2011.03.23 22:12:00 - [25] Yep indeed, rails are just really ****ed up in general. Rather get cruise missiles for sniping. ----------------------------------------------- ôAll fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns.ö
Spit Chew Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.23 22:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Devil's Call Yep indeed, rails are just really ****ed up in general. Rather get cruise missiles for sniping. Clever girl.
Swynet	Posted - 2011.03.23 23:24:00 - [27] Originally by: Devil's Call I plugged that into EFT, superior setup indeed. And yeah, all skills are at V except rail gun specialization. Drop 1 tracking computer for a Cap Booster in your case but has I've already told you, put rails in a Vindi is almost a crime :p ________________________________________________ Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
fkingfurious	Posted - 2011.03.23 23:24:00 - [28] [Vindicator, New Setup 3] Damage Control II Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Sensor Booster II 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Large Core Defence Field Extender II Bouncer II x5 There you go. Obviously factionise anything else you see fit, I went with the FN MFS cos theyre relatively cheap and help out a lot with CPU. Gives reasonable resists (which can be improved with moar pimpage), cap booster gives you all the cap you need but heres the important stat. With Large Rail spec IV and everything else at V it delivers 1105 dps at an optimal range of 47km making it the single most damaging mid-to-long range BS you can possibly have. It's a shame its base targetting range is so poor (68km with a lvl5 squad leader) else you could quite easily bin the SeBo nd fit an FN Web and youd be able to hit anything that got close too. You could ofc drop the extender for a web if you were confident enuff that you're Logis would keep you alive.
Devil's Call Caldari Blue Republic	Posted - 2011.03.24 00:32:00 - [29] Aye, it's a decent mid-range 'sniping' platform with rails. Although you might aswell load your blasters up with long range ammo, and almost have the same range but with better DPS. ----------------------------------------------- ôAll fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns.ö
Swynet	Posted - 2011.03.24 01:08:00 - [30] Edited by: Swynet on 24/03/2011 01:13:47 Originally by: Devil's Call Aye, it's a decent mid-range 'sniping' platform with rails. Although you might aswell load your blasters up with long range ammo, and almost have the same range but with better DPS. It's all the point of this ship and wy rails suxx harder on it than in a Mega one. Reverse the rails for Blasters 3MFS for 3TE and 2Te for 2MFS, you'll get +/- the same range, better tracking, better dps. If you really want to snipe stuff over 60km then take a Navy mega+rails. EDIT: and the navy has enough drone bay to get some sentry's +small drones ________________________________________________ Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.

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