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Gift
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Posted - 2005.02.04 17:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Sokudo
(or, in the case of americans, approximations of english  )
we call it american
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Lord Dynastron
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Posted - 2005.02.04 17:52:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Gift
Originally by: Sokudo
(or, in the case of americans, approximations of english )
we call it american
then you have Eubonics.... 
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RedClaws
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Posted - 2005.02.04 18:00:00 -
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Sticking your fingers in your ears going "llalalalalalaa I only speak english and you suck cause you don't" is NOT the way to go and it will not make Eve appeal to more people.
I'm not even gonna respond anymore 
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Lallante
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Posted - 2005.02.04 18:05:00 -
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If you raise the proportion of non-english speakers over a certain level, the game will die.
Theres no way Im going to play a game where every escrows description is written in a different language and Trade channel is spammed by jokes in Cantonese.
A MMORPG game MUST have one principal language, if it wants to retain teamwork as an important part of it.
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ShinRa
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Red Six
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Posted - 2005.02.04 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Red Six on 04/02/2005 18:32:07
MaiLina - I get what you are after. Just an XML hook into the item DB and GUI that gives you your language to enhance your gameplay. You'd like to have that file hosted on your local machine. Not a bad idea but one that would take very careful implementation and security controls on it or you wind up with this.
Scenario A
Player A does not edit his/her XML file. Player A then spends a lot of time looking at items. This creates latency for Player A as the client hooks into the server DB pulls the info then has to hook into client's XML(which admittedly is local and not in London) and check it for translated information for said object. Player A then complains how much slower everything is running now.
Scenario
Player B edits the XML file locally on his/her system. Changes the description and such locally on their system for the 1400mm Artillery. As a laugh Player B also updates the tracking to .500 but because checking was not improperly implemented Player B's client now reports to server that his weapons have a tracking of .500 instead .001 the 1400mm Artillery originally had. Player B then goes on to decimate everything in his sight in PVP in a Tempest with 6 1400mm Artillery on it.
Anytime you have info that is locally editable you run the risk of someone figuring out a way to use that to their advantage. Personally, I respect and understand why you want this MaiLina but to be honest I don't trust CCP to get it done correctly so that you absolutely can't do that. We have way to many bugs that they fix once to only have them reappear, bumping comes to mind immediately at the moment as an example of this.
Edit: Clarification
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Burga Galti
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Posted - 2005.02.04 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sokudo
On the other hand, those of us who speak english (or, in the case of americans, approximations of english )
That's rich coming from a scot! (I'm one too btw)
But on a more serious note, the amount of people I see on this game who are not native english speakers who speak the language so clearly and even using slang and short hand terms never ceases to amaze me. Every time I realise the person on the other end is takling a foreign language I feel inferior! Mainly because I've never mastered anything but this language.
And getting back on-topic. It would be nice if there was different versions of eve in other languages but I'm afraid it'll just be a pipe dream. Don't forget CCP themselves are icelandic, so I imagine they would have considered this as an option already but dismissed it (I may be wrong there though).
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crooked carrier
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Posted - 2005.02.04 21:09:00 -
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I would settle for bigger fonts.
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Bosie
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Posted - 2005.02.05 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: DeviLee
To learn how to speak English is one of the most important things you need to do in life. In our corp there are players from Germany, France, Slovenia, Croatia, Spain... and they all speak english so the sooner you learn the better.
You are quite the Troll.
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Manny Tanato
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Posted - 2005.02.05 04:43:00 -
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Please don't ask CCP to make major changes like this. Didn't you see what happens when CCP tampers with their own code on hanger item sorts? Can you imagine the chaos and rubbish that will result if CCP tries to take on a big change like this? No no no bad idea.
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Edania
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Posted - 2005.02.05 09:05:00 -
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Language and your ability to manipulate it is one of the main measuring tools of a persons intelegence, For example there are people who only seem to know one adjective and use it every 3rd word. these people dont compare favorably intelegence wise to people who can read/speak/think in multiple languages, thus if you display the arrogance that your mother tounge is supirior to all others your destined to be incapable of releasing your full intelectual potential.
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Mephorios
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Posted - 2005.02.05 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: pardux
you dont wanna know what Brundakur(system name) means in icelandic
yes we do 
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Kanonus
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Posted - 2005.02.05 09:39:00 -
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 hmm..i think the english system works good. Im swedish and write poorly enlgish. But i can make my self understood time to time and i don¦t have any big problem understanding the game or what ppl type and so. Sometimes i even have problem understanding the mission-descriptions. But its rare. Even if it was translated to swedish...it will be messed up. Translations always sucks. Just look on the pcgames that have translations..you always go for the native-part becuase the translations are always so bad you can¦t understand it even if it is your language. No keep eve english, we have survived so far and we will survive longer with english
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Polaris Lumine
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Posted - 2005.02.05 10:03:00 -
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I think the in-game language should be Esperanto. That way we could all be as confused as each other.
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Siddy
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Posted - 2005.02.05 10:11:00 -
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Siddy > Pay me 20M or Die
Le French > Scuz muÔ? iz donz underzdand whaz uz sayz?
Siddy > 20 seconds to pay me or your "insert Tire 2 BS here" will go poof
Le french > zu want mez to zo whaz?
*** Le french Reinforcemnts arrives ***
*** Siddy finish off Le french's Strukture and warp away ***
Le french > Zu BastagÛ!
i hate when they go "i zont unzerstand Engrish" 
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.02.05 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Horton Nash
1. Mandarin 1,075,000,000
2. English 514,000,000
3. Hindustani 496,000,000
4. Spanish 425,000,000
5. Russian 275,000,000
6. Arabic 256,000,000
7. Bengali 215,000,000
8. Portuguese 194,000,000
9. Malay-Indonesian 176,000,000
10.French 129,000,000
You are only counting primary languages.
Secondary language, English has multiple billions, afaik.
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Phades
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Posted - 2005.02.05 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Phades on 05/02/2005 12:24:06
I beleive english covers the most geography, but like the numbers listed, dailects of chineese carry more weight. There is good and bad to langauge changes and barriers. There will always be xenophobic people, but people who choose to adapt rather than impose change tend to be of greater value to a community. Stimulating sales to bring in more of a diverse background would help the short term, but the long term would be difficult to predict after the fractioning of the player community back into their geographical borders dictated by langauge. I dunno, i see channels dedicated to different language speakers, but i have no idea if they are used or are useful tools for communication. It would seem like it is a fairly moot to make commentary about something like this. Either the game gets independantly modified to allow for more diveristy, which is bad for the company or the company invests alot of time and money to integrate the languages together. Only one game comes to mind that even makes that attempt, while others only offer language support for the client.
Bah, this thread reminded me many mistakes i make in english and how much more i need to learn in other langauages of my own personal interest, in order to even begin to converse on even a basic level.
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Drunken Claptrap
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Posted - 2005.02.05 12:36:00 -
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Here's me thinking Mandarin was an orange......roflmao...tee hee....
Oh....it needs a "e" on the end. Back to English school for me! haha
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Kindathey
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Posted - 2005.02.05 13:46:00 -
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EVE is a MMORPG with a single server. You can't make seperate servers for each language, which would be required if you implement that.
Otherwise, problems like the ones already mentioned will crop up and the game will be totally unplayable for many players, since they simply can't understand what the other is saying or what the escrow says. The entire point of a MMORPG would be gone.
It would also be hell to moderate these forums.... Making seperate forums for each language would also be too much to handle.
A language barrier is exactly the thing that EVE cannot afford.
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Delath
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Posted - 2005.02.05 14:00:00 -
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I don't get it - after 10000 years or so of fighting wars because people can't understand one another we're finally at least remotely approaching an accepted standard of communication allowing everyone to understand each other and you wanna put effort into reversing that development? Standards are always better then not having a standard as it lessens confusion and makes one able to focus on the important parts (in this instance playing a game  ) instead of technicalities.
On a less philosophical plane I agree what most that's been said here; you barely need to understand any english to play, module names are completely made-up, you can pickup the rest as you go (which I suppose are what the language-channels are for), the confusion translating back and forth would just be silly and you should really adapt to the world rather then demanding it adapt to you. A final note might be that people who are so young that they haven't started learning a foreign language yet probably would find this game too complicated anyway so I doubt there would be a huge impact on the EVE population.
And no I'm not a native English-speaker either yet almost all my university textbooks are in English, I'm sometimes demanded to leave hand-ins in English, I read documentation for projects that's been put together with an international crew in English - all because it's easier the more people who can understand you. EVE is as good a place as any to start learning.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.02.05 14:20:00 -
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"i hate when they go "i zont unzerstand Engrish" "
It appears that understanding of english improves depending on how many F-keys you press while having lock on them... ;s
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Dastur
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Posted - 2005.02.05 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kindathey
EVE is a MMORPG with a single server. You can't make seperate servers for each language, which would be required if you implement that.
Otherwise, problems like the ones already mentioned will crop up and the game will be totally unplayable for many players, since they simply can't understand what the other is saying or what the escrow says. The entire point of a MMORPG would be gone.
It would also be hell to moderate these forums.... Making seperate forums for each language would also be too much to handle.
A language barrier is exactly the thing that EVE cannot afford.
I think what is being asked in the localisation is not the capability of playing eve in a different language so much as to the capability of understanding what is being offered.
For example, global name of things are, and will always be, cast in stone as is for all. However, there is no reasons that supporting texts and descriptions not be made localisable (<- here is another new word.. )
That way, while the names, controls, skills and whatever else remains common to all at least it becomes possible for all languages to at least understand what they stand for.
Heck, a "Webifier" remains the name for the module in all locales, but the description can be read from "Module that slows down target ship" to "Module qui ralenti le navire en cible" for the francophone or any other locale. This would not impact the game and would actually be beneficial to the game in general.
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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2005.02.05 15:18:00 -
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Nice idea...but the problems I think, have been well rolled over in this thread.
Also, English is one of the most major languages in the world, but FTR, Spanish is the second-most common secondary language, yet gets the shaft more often than not.
I speak several languages, to include English, German, Spanish, Russian, French and some Korean. I've also studied language history, as demographics. If everyone in the world could learn to speak English and Spanish...they could probably make themselves understood anyhere.
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.02.05 16:20:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Siddy
Siddy > Pay me 20M or Die
Le French > Scuz muÔ? iz donz underzdand whaz uz sayz?
Siddy > 20 seconds to pay me or your "insert Tire 2 BS here" will go poof
Le french > zu want mez to zo whaz?
*** Le french Reinforcemnts arrives ***
*** Siddy finish off Le french's Strukture and warp away ***
Le french > Zu BastagÛ!
i hate when they go "i zont unzerstand Engrish"
You just lightened up my day...
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slip66
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Posted - 2005.02.05 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: DeviLee
To learn how to speak English is one of the most important things you need to do in life. In our corp there are players from Germany, France, Slovenia, Croatia, Spain... and they all speak english so the sooner you learn the better.
yup thats what i liked about c4/ca so many different cultures!
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Mode Six
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Posted - 2005.02.06 05:21:00 -
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The most widely spoken languages in the world are (with approximate numbers of speakers):
1. Mandarin 1,075,000,000
2. English 514,000,000
Ok, but how many people in China have computers to play Eve compared to the 50% relative population of English speakers?
(just making a moot point here that has no relevance to anything)
Originally by: Vampire Blade
why can't i get an automatic WTFPWN bomb? i hate it that i have to actually pay attention during PVP, everytime someone shot at me the WTFPWN bomb would go off and they die. |
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