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ILikeMarkets
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Posted - 2011.03.25 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: ILikeMarkets on 25/03/2011 14:39:17
No, really. Either CCP cannot stop them or does not want to stop them (reasons: $$$, population, economy).
Seems to me at this point that the only people getting punished are those who follow the rules, mining painfully by hand. So why not just say "Botting is an acceptable part of the game" and let it go from there.
Hell, more easy kills for the rest of us anymore (I dont have a mining char ;_;)
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.03.25 15:12:00 -
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Supported. Things like mining and couriers are work unfit for people anyway.
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MadJim
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Posted - 2011.03.25 16:24:00 -
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Isn't planetary interaction the same thing as a bot? I mean you set your extractors, route all your products and the thing just produces non-stop til you come back the next day. Same as a bot.
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EDISON CLONE
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Posted - 2011.03.25 16:47:00 -
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Yess! Make mining robots obsolete (at least at the 2year level) by including them in the game, new skill, FULLY AUTOMATED MINING SHIP...mines and returns to base ....just like thousands (approx 3500-4000 at last count) ALREADY do.
....... new skill FULLY AUTOMATED SALVAGE SHIP...destroy the need for mining robots by making it legal and taxing it! (sorta like california medical marjuana)those robot mining software people are making money off of our game! That should INFURIATE you !
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Arnakoz
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Posted - 2011.03.25 18:40:00 -
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i agree. i could care less that people bot. just something for people to whine about ... make it legal and a matter of "he who has the best bot" ... great for promoting programming etc etc.
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Idgarad
Minmatar
Solum Contego
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Posted - 2011.03.25 18:41:00 -
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Three fold attack on bot miners:
POS Addition: Mining Station Load with Command Mining Drones (New Drone) which are parallel to Fighters. Then they can be dispatched to a belt to mine it. This makes ratting belts, regardless of sec, a viable option since Command Drones could be defenseless. CMDs come in flavors akin to mining crystals, specific to certain ores.
POS Addition: Defense Station Load with Fighters, much like a fixed carrier ship that can support up to 5 fighters that will automatically deploy in a system to defend CMDs.
Anchorable: Shipping Station Anchor in a belt and CMDs will drop off minerals in the CMD. Every hour the CMD sends an automated hauler to transport minerals to a selectable location (POS, Station, etc.) within the system.
A: Not perfectly safe since Rats will chip away at the durability of CMDs over time (as well as the fighters)and the Automated Transports could be a target of opportunity for players. Provides a new set of variables in null-sec and low-sec for targets of opportunity.
Augments but doesn't replace mining ships but provides a deterrent to botted ships since the small % of botters now have to compete with a larger % of legitimate players.
Idgarad says:
"The Path to a good life is paved in misfortune. We tread upon misfortune to see value in what is good."
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Asa Tru
Lonetrek Trade and Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:00:00 -
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Great idea, then when prices of ores drop like a tank, and ships in turn become dirt cheap, you'll have BS suicide ganks in every system, the economy will be a joke, mining will COST more thank you make because people will probably suicide your drones ....
great idea.
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Arnakoz
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Posted - 2011.03.26 03:40:00 -
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Edited by: Arnakoz on 26/03/2011 03:41:45
 Originally by: Asa Tru
Great idea, then when prices of ores drop like a tank, and ships in turn become dirt cheap, you'll have BS suicide ganks in every system, the economy will be a joke, mining will COST more thank you make because people will probably suicide your drones ....
great idea.
ur correct on how things will pan out at first. the part you didn't quite reach is the fact that once it will cost more it will weed people out and drive prices back up. there will be an ultimate balance. but that portion of the market would be 100% no different than the PI and moon mats (which used for the same purpose as ore) ... so overall your assessment doesn't hold much merit - only that for the first couple of months there will be some instability. but this should be expected in all sudden market changes.
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Arnakoz
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Posted - 2011.03.26 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: Idgarad
Three fold attack on bot miners:
POS Addition: Mining Station Load with Command Mining Drones (New Drone) which are parallel to Fighters. Then they can be dispatched to a belt to mine it. This makes ratting belts, regardless of sec, a viable option since Command Drones could be defenseless. CMDs come in flavors akin to mining crystals, specific to certain ores.
POS Addition: Defense Station Load with Fighters, much like a fixed carrier ship that can support up to 5 fighters that will automatically deploy in a system to defend CMDs.
Anchorable: Shipping Station Anchor in a belt and CMDs will drop off minerals in the CMD. Every hour the CMD sends an automated hauler to transport minerals to a selectable location (POS, Station, etc.) within the system.
A: Not perfectly safe since Rats will chip away at the durability of CMDs over time (as well as the fighters)and the Automated Transports could be a target of opportunity for players. Provides a new set of variables in null-sec and low-sec for targets of opportunity.
Augments but doesn't replace mining ships but provides a deterrent to botted ships since the small % of botters now have to compete with a larger % of legitimate players.
why not simply allow the bots? automated mining is automated mining either way. atleast in the bot case there are lots of shinny targets for the yarr in you to pew at. i mean, i like the idea of POSs being able to automine as well, but if you make the amount too small then it wont effect the botters enough and make it too large and mining from a ship would be pointless (more-so than now...)
i say do both. flood the market with mats. if it becomes a problem that isn't resolving itself then there is no reason CCP couldn't simply adjust the yield of both activities.
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Dani Nardieu
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.26 05:26:00 -
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Ban all botters instead.
Make sure to check the accounts of all people who supported this thread for botting.
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Flex Nebura
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.26 05:54:00 -
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Edited by: Flex Nebura on 26/03/2011 05:54:56
trouble is.. people dont attack the botters.. No matter what you think, it wont bring more targets into eve.
People get their jollies from tricking people into flagging themselves.. or from straight up suicide ganking them for the salty tears. And bots dont cry.
Every now and then you do get some unholy rage at the botting miners.. but bots run missions and rat in null sec too.
But to say that the battle is lost and we might aswell all use bots is rediculous.
The day that is added we will all stop playing. Either by cancelling our subs or by starting to bot. I think I will do the former. Cause what is the freaking point of logging on if its all automated.
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Sir Hakoke
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Posted - 2011.03.26 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Asa Tru
Great idea, then when prices of ores drop like a tank, and ships in turn become dirt cheap, you'll have BS suicide ganks in every system, the economy will be a joke, mining will COST more thank you make because people will probably suicide your drones ....
great idea.
we didn't talked about numbers yet, how can you conclude this?
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Mai'Lipzar Joosy
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Posted - 2011.03.26 15:59:00 -
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Mining should be an automated part of the game - here's why:
#1 - It gives EVERYONE the power to produce their own minerals without mind-numbing bouts of boredom and destroys the advantage ISK farmers have.
Automating mining - just like PI is automated once you set it up levels the playing field and squeezes out ISK farmers, it also empowers smaller corps.
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.03.26 16:11:00 -
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Maybe I'm alone here, but I quite enjoy low sec mining ops.
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Mai'Lipzar Joosy
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Posted - 2011.03.26 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
Maybe I'm alone here, but I quite enjoy low sec mining ops.
I'm sure you aren't alone, maybe you can explain to the viewers what is exciting about sitting looking at an asteroid for hours and hours? I am very interested to know about what it is that makes it fun for you.
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.03.26 16:22:00 -
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1) spending time to get to know corp mates.
2) running every fifteen or so minutes while being chanced by a ship that could kill you.
I did say LOW sec mining.
If all you do is stare at the roids, your doing it wrong.
Mining also lets you make millions on the market, planing your next big trades. or searching through contracts to find a deal that someone doesn't realize they are making.
Just be creative, every task in EVE doesn't have to be done with the exclusion of everything else.
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EDISON CLONE
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:00:00 -
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Wow...never expected this to take off like it did..so far, it's like 12 out of 16 for and 2 or 3 against (with unaddressed issues), so I would like to address a few GOOD Points...
1)since the cost of moding up a ORE Robot mining mod would be 800-1,200m isk...it would be a big investment of skill points, game time, and isk. This would preclude a run on mineral prices and ease the mods into the game.
2) This has nothing to do with gate camping it would be used only in high sec. (only?)
3) We can not catch illegal robot miners because it takes eve robots or costs too much. (cost prohibitve)
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Fredfredbug4
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:14:00 -
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EVE will just turn into a matter of who has the most money. The game will turn into nothing more than flying around and shooting stuff. What will happen to the current Logistic and Mining Pirates? It will ruin much of the game. Support roles are filled in with bots. The game turns into nothing but fighting, no logistic, no anything but shooting pixels.
Plus there will be more stuff pumped into the market! Prices will plummet and shatter the economy of EVE! The only people that will benefit from this are PVP and PVE players. I myself run mostly PVE and bots are not the way to go for anything.
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:17:00 -
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Also, where does it end.
There is now a site that reports to have an EVE PvP bot. So that means no need to ever play EVE. Just have your bot for mining, for missioning, for ratting, for trading, for manufacturing, and for blowing up other bots.
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Aeronwen Carys
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:19:00 -
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It is entirely clear that either the majority of people here either use macro's already or are just plain ignorant as to the long term effects that Bots have on the economy of this game. Hang your heads in shame and get an education please.
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EDISON CLONE
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:30:00 -
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Basically we all agree:
1) we wish bots would go away
2) some parts of the game are very very boring and lend themselves to robots
3) any change in the game will been beta tested to death, so it is somewhat premature to panic and say it will ruin the EVE economy
4) WOW had to implement anti-bots in their game to get rid of IEEE's with 20 computers making real world money in their game...CCP should do the same.
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Admiral Leviathan
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Posted - 2011.03.27 05:07:00 -
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Instead of making EVE more automated, CCP should introduce more random/scripted events that require players to make choices on the spot.
A bot might come out for pvp, but it will never perform as well as a real player due to the unpredictable nature of PVP. Then again, a basic bot *could* perform better than some of the "leet pvp'ers" out there...
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EDISON CLONE
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:34:00 -
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maybe CCP could randomize asteriods better? they used to birth roids only 2 days a week...could they come back randomly daily or even hourly?
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