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Kentai Samica
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Posted - 2011.04.07 12:48:00 -
[3121]
Thanks CCP
We are a small corp that rents from AAA and live in 2 systems ranging from -0.35 to -0.43. We no longer have sanctums just a single haven and some hubs.
After your patch around 30%-40% of our members are no looking at 3 options.
1. Join a major power block alliance that has access to systems with 6-8 sanctums.
2. Return to empire and try level 4 misisons.
3. Give up and try another game.
So much for increasing conflict and providing the motive for smaller groups to take better space.
How do you expect a newer corp to keep members and make enough isk to even consider planning a sov campaign when our members are joining the huge blob alliances, leaving to empire or quitting game?
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Malcanis
Caldari
Alcohlics Anonymous
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2011.04.07 12:51:00 -
[3122]
 Originally by: Kentai Samica
Thanks CCP
We are a small corp that rents from AAA and live in 2 systems ranging from -0.35 to -0.43. We no longer have sanctums just a single haven and some hubs.
After your patch around 30%-40% of our members are no looking at 3 options.
1. Join a major power block alliance that has access to systems with 6-8 sanctums.
2. Return to empire and try level 4 misisons.
3. Give up and try another game.
So much for increasing conflict and providing the motive for smaller groups to take better space.
How do you expect a newer corp to keep members and make enough isk to even consider planning a sov campaign when our members are joining the huge blob alliances, leaving to empire or quitting game?
Look at this guy pretending that there's no other way to make ISK than to farm Sanctums.
Look at him! 
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
REDRUM44
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Posted - 2011.04.07 13:12:00 -
[3123]
Originally by: Peralandra
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For all the people still complaining... did you read the recent economic report? If you did, and understood it, you would know exactly why this change is going through. CCP know what they're doing, and why this needs to happen. It is their game after all, so just chill the funk out and let's see what happens...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Exactly its their game and now they have proved it sandbox my A**
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nano bobcat
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Posted - 2011.04.07 13:26:00 -
[3124]
Originally by: Malcanis
Look at this guy pretending that there's no other way to make ISK than to farm Sanctums.
Look at him!
lol 
yeah, there is no easy mode anymore for some people
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.04.07 13:31:00 -
[3125]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Kentai Samica
Thanks CCP
We are a small corp that rents from AAA and live in 2 systems ranging from -0.35 to -0.43. We no longer have sanctums just a single haven and some hubs.
After your patch around 30%-40% of our members are no looking at 3 options.
1. Join a major power block alliance that has access to systems with 6-8 sanctums.
2. Return to empire and try level 4 misisons.
3. Give up and try another game.
So much for increasing conflict and providing the motive for smaller groups to take better space.
How do you expect a newer corp to keep members and make enough isk to even consider planning a sov campaign when our members are joining the huge blob alliances, leaving to empire or quitting game?
Look at this guy pretending that there's no other way to make ISK than to farm Sanctums.
Look at him!
Troll rating: 2/10. There are many ways to make ISK in EVE. Obvious point is obvious.
The issue at-hand is that for the ~15 months since Dominion's release, CCP sold a product and service based around entities sinking significant amounts of ISK into one or more systems, enabling a particular play style and level of income. And a higher null-sec population.
Finally, more people moving into risky null-sec living. A good thing, right?
With less than a month's notice and zero CSM interaction, CCP yanked the rug out from underneath many of these ventures, some of which had just gotten underway.
And CCP's official response: thanks for the comments, but go **** yourselves; we are going to do whatever we like, customers be damned.
That's akin to a premium laptop manufacturer selling a great piece of kit and then taking the hardware back after a month and swapping in bargain machine chipsets, expecting the customer to suck it up after having invested serious coin.
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nano bobcat
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Posted - 2011.04.07 13:43:00 -
[3126]
Originally by: Hakaru Ishiwara
The issue at-hand is that for the ~15 months since Dominion's release, CCP sold a product and service based around entities sinking significant amounts of ISK into one or more systems, enabling a particular play style and level of income.
so, ISK were sinked, you say. Not enough, as it seems, there is far too much of them anyways.
Originally by: Hakaru Ishiwara
Finally, more people moving into risky null-sec living. A good thing, right?
if they would try to achieve something by themselves it would be a great thing. But that was not the case, instead most of them just crawled under NCs skirt for endless carebearing and made the political map more static as it ever was before. Its not a good thing at all. Some nullsec entities abused unlimited resources of dominion to form megablobs and steamroll everything in their way.
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End User
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:15:00 -
[3127]
well it's my first day playing since the changes, I made 100m isk in high sec running level 4 missions which is a good deal less then I could heave made running sanctums.... talking to some of my alliance mates it seems like we are losing people to bigger alliances who hold better space. looks like this patch is turning out to a kick in the teeth for the little guy. yeah I know people laugh about farming sanctums but it's not as if CCP is removing them from the game, just giving them to alliances who are large enough to hold the best space and taking them away from the small fry who live on the fringes. good job CCP.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:24:00 -
[3128]
Originally by: Danastar
just for informaton:
Angel Sanctums/Havens have 1.1/1.2 mil BS
using 1 thanatos, you'll get abt 60-90 mil/h. Depends on how lazy you are and if you have fast access to free anoms
2 thanatoses will get you in 90-120 mil/h range
1 thanny + nyx and you are in 120-150 mil/h range
2 nyxes equals 150-180 mil/h
Good combo is thanny + machariel also, but havent tried it as it requires more efforts and control.
These numbers, again, are for Angel anomalies and with 10% corp tax. Ratting in Pure Blind for instance will get you less isk/h ratio as the BS there have worse bounty.
P.S. I... am... liar.
Fixed and yes, you are a liar. Running sanctums with two carriers does not earn you 60-90m/hour.
Originally by: Danastar
somehow i dont believe you :)
And I somehow don't believe you, not in the least because you're trying to show off your epeen by lying.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:26:00 -
[3129]
Originally by: End User
well it's my first day playing since the changes, I made 100m isk in high sec running level 4 missions which is a good deal less then I could heave made running sanctums.... talking to some of my alliance mates it seems like we are losing people to bigger alliances who hold better space. looks like this patch is turning out to a kick in the teeth for the little guy. yeah I know people laugh about farming sanctums but it's not as if CCP is removing them from the game, just giving them to alliances who are large enough to hold the best space and taking them away from the small fry who live on the fringes. good job CCP.
LIES! CCP said this patch would help the little guy and it is helping them, because the gospel according to CCP says so (in other words it's helping people back to empire).
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Levistus Junior
Caldari
Trojan Trolls
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:26:00 -
[3130]
Originally by: nano bobcat
if they would try to achieve something by themselves it would be a great thing. But that was not the case, instead most of them just crawled under NCs skirt for endless carebearing and made the political map more static as it ever was before. Its not a good thing at all. Some nullsec entities abused unlimited resources of dominion to form megablobs and steamroll everything in their way.
Not like that is going to change; not while technetium is still there.
Some small time carebears might go, but the big boys will still be here, bloting out the sun with their technetium funded supercap blob(or botting/RMT funded in the case of DRF).
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:30:00 -
[3131]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Kentai Samica
Thanks CCP
We are a small corp that rents from AAA and live in 2 systems ranging from -0.35 to -0.43. We no longer have sanctums just a single haven and some hubs.
After your patch around 30%-40% of our members are no looking at 3 options.
1. Join a major power block alliance that has access to systems with 6-8 sanctums.
2. Return to empire and try level 4 misisons.
3. Give up and try another game.
So much for increasing conflict and providing the motive for smaller groups to take better space.
How do you expect a newer corp to keep members and make enough isk to even consider planning a sov campaign when our members are joining the huge blob alliances, leaving to empire or quitting game?
Look at this guy pretending that there's no other way to make ISK than to farm Sanctums.
Look at him!
Look at him feel hurt that CCP are implementing an ill out thought idea (like there is any other way of doing things when it comes to EVE) and hurting his play style.
Look at him!
Troll harder
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nano bobcat
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:37:00 -
[3132]
Originally by: Levistus Junior
Not like that is going to change; not while technetium is still there.
Some small time carebears might go, but the big boys will still be here, bloting out the sun with their technetium funded supercap blob(or botting/RMT funded in the case of DRF).
the big boys will go to RZR, MM or one of the core alliances, leaving all scrubs behind in pb and border crap regions. The rest will either spin ships in stations or go back to empire. Its a good thing.
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xsnakebytex
Wayfarer Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2011.04.07 15:15:00 -
[3133]
Originally by: Hakaru Ishiwara
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Kentai Samica
Thanks CCP
We are a small corp that rents from AAA and live in 2 systems ranging from -0.35 to -0.43. We no longer have sanctums just a single haven and some hubs.
After your patch around 30%-40% of our members are no looking at 3 options.
1. Join a major power block alliance that has access to systems with 6-8 sanctums.
2. Return to empire and try level 4 misisons.
3. Give up and try another game.
So much for increasing conflict and providing the motive for smaller groups to take better space.
How do you expect a newer corp to keep members and make enough isk to even consider planning a sov campaign when our members are joining the huge blob alliances, leaving to empire or quitting game?
Look at this guy pretending that there's no other way to make ISK than to farm Sanctums.
Look at him!
Troll rating: 2/10. There are many ways to make ISK in EVE. Obvious point is obvious.
The issue at-hand is that for the ~15 months since Dominion's release, CCP sold a product and service based around entities sinking significant amounts of ISK into one or more systems, enabling a particular play style and level of income. And a higher null-sec population.
Finally, more people moving into risky null-sec living. A good thing, right?
With less than a month's notice and zero CSM interaction, CCP yanked the rug out from underneath many of these ventures, some of which had just gotten underway.
And CCP's official response: thanks for the comments, but go **** yourselves; we are going to do whatever we like, customers be damned.
That's akin to a premium laptop manufacturer selling a great piece of kit and then taking the hardware back after a month and swapping in bargain machine chipsets, expecting the customer to suck it up after having invested serious coin.
Agree 100%, my thoughts exactly.
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Xel Ra
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Posted - 2011.04.07 15:28:00 -
[3134]
Originally by: nano bobcat
Originally by: Levistus Junior
Not like that is going to change; not while technetium is still there.
Some small time carebears might go, but the big boys will still be here, bloting out the sun with their technetium funded supercap blob(or botting/RMT funded in the case of DRF).
the big boys will go to RZR, MM or one of the core alliances, leaving all scrubs behind in pb and border crap regions. The rest will either spin ships in stations or go back to empire. Its a good thing.
This guy's page after page pleading for recognition is to boost his puny RL self-esteem through playing this game. It's a good thing.
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Cloba
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Posted - 2011.04.07 15:47:00 -
[3135]
Originally by: Xel Ra
Originally by: nano bobcat
Originally by: Levistus Junior
Not like that is going to change; not while technetium is still there.
Some small time carebears might go, but the big boys will still be here, bloting out the sun with their technetium funded supercap blob(or botting/RMT funded in the case of DRF).
the big boys will go to RZR, MM or one of the core alliances, leaving all scrubs behind in pb and border crap regions. The rest will either spin ships in stations or go back to empire. Its a good thing.
This guy's page after page pleading for recognition is to boost his puny RL self-esteem through playing this game. It's a good thing.
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Cloba
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Posted - 2011.04.07 15:49:00 -
[3136]
Originally by: Cloba
Originally by: Xel Ra
Originally by: nano bobcat
Originally by: Levistus Junior
Not like that is going to change; not while technetium is still there.
Some small time carebears might go, but the big boys will still be here, bloting out the sun with their technetium funded supercap blob(or botting/RMT funded in the case of DRF).
the big boys will go to RZR, MM or one of the core alliances, leaving all scrubs behind in pb and border crap regions. The rest will either spin ships in stations or go back to empire. Its a good thing.
This guy's page after page pleading for recognition is to boost his puny RL self-esteem through playing this game. It's a good thing.
10/10
Unimportant little Evoke troll needs some loving. Just ignore him Evoke does the same.
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Soldarius
Caldari
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.04.10 00:26:00 -
[3137]
Hmm, on further thought, I just realized something. Band 2 (-.25 to -.44 1 haven space) will lose the haven when folks stop running plexes due to the military index dropping too low.
So no havens or sanctums all the way up to -.44? Can anyone confirm at which military index level the single haven vanishes?
Originally by: CCP Shadow
...I cannot guarantee (my) sobriety or decency.
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Quincy Taggart
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:27:00 -
[3138]
LOL CCP...your plan to create more conflict has backfired already. Since the space I live in no longer has sanctum and havens the reds aren't even bothering to stop by cause they know there are no juicy targets out in the anomolies. LOL, FAIL, EPIC, etc.
You guys don't even understand the game you have created - sad...how sad.
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:28:00 -
[3139]
I'm sure having people shoot rats in highsec rather than shoot rats in nullsec is going to radically change the isk faucet issues.
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:30:00 -
[3140]
Originally by: Peralandra
Originally by: Tehg Rhind
Good job CCP. Definitely a step in the right direction. Ignore the c-bear junkies threatening to biomass. The day I bet on a crackhead going cold turkey because the price just went up is the day I stop smoking crack.
Also, interested to see what happens to PLEX prices over the next 2 months.
^^ THIS
For all the people still complaining... did you read the recent economic report? If you did, and understood it, you would know exactly why this change is going through. CCP know what they're doing, and why this needs to happen. It is their game after all, so just chill the funk out and let's see what happens...
hahaha
oh my sides
hahahahahahaahaha
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Caldorian Gorvachi
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Posted - 2011.04.10 04:27:00 -
[3141]
Since it has now been a while since this was implemented, is there any preliminary data on what has occurred in Null-sec. It seems like the space we occupy is emptier, but I have no actual numbers to support this.
I guess what I am asking is whose model was correct, the players? or CCP? or is it somewhere in between? |
Chuck Wilson Sasen
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Posted - 2011.04.10 05:55:00 -
[3142]
OK ALL THE 0.0 FANS THAT OPOSE THIS CRAZY IDEA
PROPOSAL GO TO HIGHSEC AND JUST START GANKING EVERYONE SENCE CCP WANT TO KILL THE GAME LETS CUT TO THE CHASE AND GO OUT WITH A BANG
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Banished Mist
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Posted - 2011.04.10 06:02:00 -
[3143]
This would be bad idea in terms of trying to "support the smaller people." The strongest alliances would be the only holders of those sanctum systems. This would actually monopolize alliances and corps more. Making the big guys, bigger. This does not help out the small people at all.
I cannot help but to comment on the lack of foresight CCP has had on this matter.
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Kandarus
Minmatar
Lyonesse.
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.04.10 06:13:00 -
[3144]
Edited by: Kandarus on 10/04/2011 06:13:51
"Ha-Ha" -Nelson Muntz
Directed at CCP
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Nobani
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.10 06:24:00 -
[3145]
Even "have" systems are worse off than before the patch. Currently in a -0.8 system with 1 sanctum.
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Biidama Bong
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Posted - 2011.04.10 06:24:00 -
[3146]
"Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec"?
Yeah, cuz they'll be left with the bigger alliance's leftovers.
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nano bobcat
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Posted - 2011.04.10 10:04:00 -
[3147]
Originally by: Banished Mist
This does not help out the small people at all.
There are no small people in 0.0. They always suck someones d*ck. We dont need.
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Danastar
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:04:00 -
[3148]
Originally by: Super Whopper
Originally by: Danastar
just for informaton:
Angel Sanctums/Havens have 1.1/1.2 mil BS
using 1 thanatos, you'll get abt 60-90 mil/h. Depends on how lazy you are and if you have fast access to free anoms
2 thanatoses will get you in 90-120 mil/h range
1 thanny + nyx and you are in 120-150 mil/h range
2 nyxes equals 150-180 mil/h
Good combo is thanny + machariel also, but havent tried it as it requires more efforts and control.
These numbers, again, are for Angel anomalies and with 10% corp tax. Ratting in Pure Blind for instance will get you less isk/h ratio as the BS there have worse bounty.
P.S. I... am... liar.
Fixed and yes, you are a liar. Running sanctums with two carriers does not earn you 60-90m/hour.
Originally by: Danastar
somehow i dont believe you :)
And I somehow don't believe you, not in the least because you're trying to show off your epeen by lying.
No it doesn't :)
if you try to read more carefully, (probably) you will notice that 60-90 mil range is with 1 (one) thanatos. 2 thanatoses geve you 90-120 mil isk/h. Average transaction when i was doing anomalies woth 2 thanatoses was 20 - 25 mil per char. Do your own math.
and yeah - me epeen is huge... enormous... but again, if you see first line of my post (which you haven't moderated) you'll (probably) see that this is not the subject of the post.
as for "somehow i dont believe you" - i didn't belive that CCP will manage to get servers running online without delay when deploying 1.4 Guess i was lying for that too :))
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Makumba Aki
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:19:00 -
[3149]
Originally by: Peralandra
Originally by: Tehg Rhind
Good job CCP. Definitely a step in the right direction. Ignore the c-bear junkies threatening to biomass. The day I bet on a crackhead going cold turkey because the price just went up is the day I stop smoking crack.
Also, interested to see what happens to PLEX prices over the next 2 months.
^^ THIS
For all the people still complaining... did you read the recent economic report? If you did, and understood it, you would know exactly why this change is going through. CCP know what they're doing, and why this needs to happen. It is their game after all, so just chill the funk out and let's see what happens...
I do understand why they want to decrease the ist inflow. And I do embrace changes that would make eve harder. But it has to happen in a reasonable and balanced way.
To nerf 60% of 0.0 space below high sec profitability does not appeal to me reasonable. I guess they expect the renters not be willing anymore to pay rent to their overlords. So the overlords will have to leave them "alone" and thus indenpendant. Thus more smaller entities in 0.0. But why the hell should someone fight for this space and pay the bills for the sov? You can have almost the same income in high sec without the threat to lose you assets to some roamers or a bored powerblock fleet.
They should have kept the balance between high and 0.0 sec and nerfed the income of both. So that 0.0 ist still more profitable.
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Makumba Aki
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:23:00 -
[3150]
Originally by: The Offerer
Edited by: The Offerer on 07/04/2011 09:13:13
Ignoring your customers after screwing them over isn't the right practice.
CCP's product is not isk, it is the game experience...
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