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Leonard Cage
Minmatar
IMPERIO DE PIRATAS UNIDOS
E C L I P S E
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:43:00 -
[2551]
Thought to reactivate my second account, but after seeing how friendly game, not do it... By God! are all Eve killing
Strongly disagree!
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Mibad
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:45:00 -
[2552]
This would be a good idea if they didn't remove anything and instead just made it so lower nullsec has more sanctums/havens.
Everyone wins.
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Lt Pizi
Gallente
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:46:00 -
[2553]
 Originally by: Antigue
Originally by: Lt Pizi
i told you this before ...
THEY are the gods .. they gave it now they take it away (for the better imo)
they dont patch nc away .... if they are BFF all wil be the same
if they are greedy lil bast ards .... i say grays goal acomplished
LOL CCP obviously is your god.
I¦m a paying customer and whenever they play god I always got the choice to stop paying them.
Guess it is pretty safe to say that -except yourself ofc- noone will accept them as god.
And I have seen too many homemade gods falling so it is just a matter of time until CCP will learn it the hard way.
ingame they are the gods
their decition is final
do i like CCP¦s way? - yes
do i agree with all decisions they made
hell no
introducing of PI was a huge mess - but it corrected over time
moon mineral/T2 production nees of moon goo was another one - i hope thats next on their agenda for industrial 00 revamp
will i quit if the game doesnt apeal anymore - sure in a heartbeat but i will just go not making endles threats of quitting and i will not quit over such a little thing this is
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Skaarl
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:50:00 -
[2554]
Originally by: Lt Pizi
Originally by: Antigue
Originally by: Lt Pizi
i told you this before ...
THEY are the gods .. they gave it now they take it away (for the better imo)
they dont patch nc away .... if they are BFF all wil be the same
if they are greedy lil bast ards .... i say grays goal acomplished
LOL CCP obviously is your god.
I¦m a paying customer and whenever they play god I always got the choice to stop paying them.
Guess it is pretty safe to say that -except yourself ofc- noone will accept them as god.
And I have seen too many homemade gods falling so it is just a matter of time until CCP will learn it the hard way.
ingame they are the gods
their decition is final
do i like CCP¦s way? - yes
do i agree with all decisions they made
hell no
introducing of PI was a huge mess - but it corrected over time
moon mineral/T2 production nees of moon goo was another one - i hope thats next on their agenda for industrial 00 revamp
will i quit if the game doesnt apeal anymore - sure in a heartbeat but i will just go not making endles threats of quitting and i will not quit over such a little thing this is
actually... PI is probably the biggest single problem with eve atm. they removed quite possibly the largest way for isk to disappear out of the economy and if you really want to look at it is probably WAY more responsible for any inflation than havens and sanctums ever were.
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Sadie Heluene
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:52:00 -
[2555]
oh god, this is so fail 
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Quartex
Gallente
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.03 15:02:00 -
[2556]
The death of big Alliances ...
Big Alliances will come under strain as Corps within them want access to the trusec systems and this may cause schisms, if not handled properly by the leadership of those Alliances. They may even choose to let Corps go, so there is more to go around.
New renters....
There have always been renters. The price to rent will have to go down if you want to have renters near your home systems, if the money from those systems is less and they may get tempted to switch sides by a richer Alliance that covets the trusec space.
Blobs & Conflict in nulsec....
Anything that reduces the former and increases the latter is good. Resource availability fuels both and the balance is wrong right now.
Nulsec as the end game ....
It always has been but it need not be your end game. For those who want it the risk:reward equation ratio must be better than in Empire and the risks should be significantly increased..... e.g no local channel.
Plex to kill RMT to kill bots....
It just hasn't worked out that way. I don't know how badly it undermines CCP's business model but it smarts to know people are running multiple accounts, all self funding to earn real world cash.
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.03 15:09:00 -
[2557]
Edited by: Antigue on 03/04/2011 15:16:21
Originally by: Lt Pizi
ingame they are the gods
their decition is final
do i like CCP¦s way? - yes
do i agree with all decisions they made
hell no
introducing of PI was a huge mess - but it corrected over time
moon mineral/T2 production nees of moon goo was another one - i hope thats next on their agenda for industrial 00 revamp
will i quit if the game doesnt apeal anymore - sure in a heartbeat but i will just go not making endles threats of quitting and i will not quit over such a little thing this is
You are terribly wrong.
Having a godlike attitude doesn¦t mean you are god.
There is one basic rule in any game:
Do not turn against the vast majority of your player base.
I may assume that our small alliance is not different to all other small alliances and people in here are already talking about other MMO¦s we could play together.
That¦s a shame and Greyscale and godlike attitude is responsible for that.
One could argue that things calm down once the dust has settled.
But they lured lots of people into nullsec, made them invest lots of effort and isk and finally patch them out over night.
There is an old saying:
If you cheat me once it¦s your bad, if you cheat me twice it¦s my bad.
So I wouldn¦t bet too hard on a "the dust will settle and all will be fine" card.
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Caoim Fearghul
Caldari
The First Church of the Azure Carrot
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Posted - 2011.04.03 15:17:00 -
[2558]
Greyscale, I dont see how you honestly think this will destablize large power blocs.
Will something about this randomly blow up supercarriers and titans if they're logged out in non -1.0 space or some other crazy measure. Short of that there is not really much CCP can do in terms of fiddling with space to alter the nature of power blocs. There's an economy of scale to defense in EVE that means that the best way to protect your assests is to pool your resources with others.
That means get a bigger blob of bigger stuff.
That's the fundamental issue you need to address, and its one for which there is no easy or fun answer. Currently the best way to compete with a power bloc is to be a bigger power bloc. With the simple logistics that super capitals provide for breaking peoples stuff without much chance for consequences and certainly no issues with redeployment time there is no logical reason for power blocs to break up no matter what you do to systems.
I do also have to end with the amusing note that you say -1.0 systems tend to be in strategically inconvenient places. I can only hope you meant to say logistically inconvenient (also nonsense with the aid of jump drives, but still less idiotic) since if they are something worth having they ARE the strategic objectives and thus what is used to determine the convenience or otherwise.
Prodesse Non Nocere
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Miso Hawnee
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Posted - 2011.04.03 15:27:00 -
[2559]
This change is an RMTers wet dream.
If I had interests in the RMT trade I would love nothing more than to remove Sanctums and Havens. Its hard to compete with that.
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Quartex
Gallente
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.03 15:39:00 -
[2560]
Originally by: Caoim Fearghul
Greyscale, I dont see how you honestly think this will destablize large power blocs.
Will something about this randomly blow up supercarriers and titans if they're logged out in non -1.0 space or some other crazy measure. Short of that there is not really much CCP can do in terms of fiddling with space to alter the nature of power blocs. There's an economy of scale to defense in EVE that means that the best way to protect your assests is to pool your resources with others.
That means get a bigger blob of bigger stuff.
That's the fundamental issue you need to address, and its one for which there is no easy or fun answer. Currently the best way to compete with a power bloc is to be a bigger power bloc. With the simple logistics that super capitals provide for breaking peoples stuff without much chance for consequences and certainly no issues with redeployment time there is no logical reason for power blocs to break up no matter what you do to systems.
I have a great deal of sympathy with this point.
To date Big Alliances have tended to implode, rather than be decisively beaten on the battlefield. so the most enduring Alliances tend to be well organised and well run by very visible leadership.
There have been a number of triggers for these implosions; usually a combination of metagaming and pilot disatisfaction but also a series of defeats in battle, or bad strategic decisions have begun a "fail cascade", when individual pilots, or corporations take umbridge, or decide their stuff is at risk.
Yes, it's human instinct to group together. CCP's challenge is to keep tension in the nulsec gameplay between pilot need/greed and Corporation leadership need/greed.
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Lt Pizi
Gallente
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.03 15:40:00 -
[2561]
Originally by: Antigue
Do not turn against the vast majority of your player base.
HAHAHA you finally made me giggle 
do you really think that the majority are even on the board ?
there was a study how many ppl read the boards of an mmo and it was like 3-4 %
but lets say this is eve and 10 % read it
thats out of 360k ppl 36k
now lets asume everyone has 3 accounts ....
thats 12k RL ppl
now we have 2500 posts
lets asume everyone made only 2 post
thats 1200 RL ppl out of 12k forum visitors (10%) or 120k real players (1%)
and i staced the numbers highly in your favor
another pov
- highsecers they really dont care .. why would they
-low seccers same
- 00 big allies the good ones will shrug it off like they always do the bad ones will die
- 00 renters now they are hit by this .. they need other ways of income , stop paying rent whatever .. again the ppl there who can adept will survive , the ones that did run sanctums all day in and out will be gone
overall eve wins
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.03 15:52:00 -
[2562]
Originally by: Lt Pizi
Originally by: Antigue
Do not turn against the vast majority of your player base.
HAHAHA you finally made me giggle
do you really think that the majority are even on the board ?
there was a study how many ppl read the boards of an mmo and it was like 3-4 %
but lets say this is eve and 10 % read it
thats out of 360k ppl 36k
now lets asume everyone has 3 accounts ....
thats 12k RL ppl
now we have 2500 posts
lets asume everyone made only 2 post
thats 1200 RL ppl out of 12k forum visitors (10%) or 120k real players (1%)
and i staced the numbers highly in your favor
another pov
- highsecers they really dont care .. why would they
-low seccers same
- 00 big allies the good ones will shrug it off like they always do the bad ones will die
- 00 renters now they are hit by this .. they need other ways of income , stop paying rent whatever .. again the ppl there who can adept will survive , the ones that did run sanctums all day in and out will be gone
overall eve wins
You really believe in what you are writing?
That makes me laugh now.
I can already hear the highsec corps whine when such a lot of renters with at least some pvp experience and a lot of pvp fun return to highsec. They will not jump through empty nullsec to get blobbed in their face when they finally hit the hotspots. They will rather learn that highsec ransoming can be a nice side business and you don¦t have to jump like 40 times to get blobbed in the face.
I can already hear the pew pew demands for targets and their protests about increasing blobs in the hotspots.
I can imagine young players who joined for their first time a corp to learn some stuff about eve and this corp get straight away wardecced and the young sirs get killed if they ever leave the station.
So you really believe this will not have effects on all aspects of EvE? Really?
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Payne Valitea
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Posted - 2011.04.03 16:00:00 -
[2563]
I actually see this as a good change and think it will have the desired effect, yes it will be uncomfortable change always is.
I live in 0.0 as part of an alliance in space that will go down in value so why do I say it is a good change?
Alliance members not in good systems or without isk making ability will want to move.
Alliances will either take what they need start wars and move furthing into 0.0 or move to low/highsec.
There isn't enough moons to go around so solutions will be found those who deserve to be in 0.0 will adapt and survive be it by war or inovation.
Roll on 5th of april
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Lt Pizi
Gallente
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.03 16:08:00 -
[2564]
dear Antigue
im getting tierd dispelling every single argument you make
the poor highseccers ... there are many ways to avoid a war in highsec if you want to my dear
some will die yes AGAIN the good ones will adept and follow the eve way
and you may find out that the typical highseccer has more teeth then th avarage sanctum pirate NPC
you donot create a game and listen to the masses there are prime example out there that destroyed great games iE UO
you have a vision how your game should be and follow it (if thats successfull and i think we both agree that eve is great)
if the comunity suggests you something thats INLINE with your vision great
if its not you dismiss it
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Proats
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.03 16:14:00 -
[2565]
Originally by: Lt Pizi
you donot create a game and listen to the masses there are prime example out there that destroyed great games
There are also prime examples of developers themselves destroying great games.
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.03 16:15:00 -
[2566]
Dear Pitzi,
you simply don¦t have valid arguments.
The only thing you are doing is -and I quote you- "believe in CCP".
The question I got is how much does CCP pay you for being their fanboy?
You are not an inhabitant of nullsec, never built up an alliance and you are not even sov-holder.
So how much would CCP pay you for being their only fanboy left atm?
Oh yeah I know you do it for free coz you are such a strong believer in CCP and their great ideas...
Why not go back to your lowsec and wait for some poor soul to gank?
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Lt Pizi
Gallente
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.03 16:24:00 -
[2567]
you simply don¦t have valid arguments. that i cannot answer looks like nothing said will change your opinoin
The only thing you are doing is -and I quote you- "believe in CCP". yes cause so far the game gets better and better if they follow their way
The question I got is how much does CCP pay you for being their fanboy? they pay me with the fun i have logging in
You are not an inhabitant of nullsec, never built up an alliance and you are not even sov-holder. was there done that , but i wasnt a renter
So how much would CCP pay you for being their only fanboy left atm? so if 10 k accounts left over this theres still 350k paying fanbois left
Oh yeah I know you do it for free coz you are such a strong believer in CCP and their great ideas... again sofar they were most of the time straight on
Why not go back to your lowsec and wait for some poor soul to gank? im there .....
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Lonely Island
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Posted - 2011.04.03 16:27:00 -
[2568]
Originally by: Hrdlodus
now i get it why CCP is doing this! players in 0.0 wont have any income, so everyone there is going to start paying subs with real cash. and because ppl in 0.0 need ISK to PvP and do other stuff and wont be able to make some via anoms, everyone will start buying PLEXes too!! and here we go CCP is richer and we are more screwd. it feels like home all right 
wtf? I thought those who currently pay with isk have to either buy plex on markets, or GTC on the forums from other players who have already paid RL cash to CCP?
Am I missing something here or is it just the fact the NC PureBlind shortbus crew such as yourself can't comprehend economics?
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.04.03 16:35:00 -
[2569]
Originally by: Antigue
Dear Pitzi,
you simply don¦t have valid arguments.
The only thing you are doing is -and I quote you- "believe in CCP".
The question I got is how much does CCP pay you for being their fanboy?
You are not an inhabitant of nullsec, never built up an alliance and you are not even sov-holder.
So how much would CCP pay you for being their only fanboy left atm?
Oh yeah I know you do it for free coz you are such a strong believer in CCP and their great ideas...
Why not go back to your lowsec and wait for some poor soul to gank?
An elite sov-holding alliance builder, who thinks any other class of player can't have an opinion, who is crying about CCP nerfing their carebearing.
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Lonely Island
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Posted - 2011.04.03 16:37:00 -
[2570]
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
Originally by: Antigue
Dear Pitzi,
you simply don¦t have valid arguments.
The only thing you are doing is -and I quote you- "believe in CCP".
The question I got is how much does CCP pay you for being their fanboy?
You are not an inhabitant of nullsec, never built up an alliance and you are not even sov-holder.
So how much would CCP pay you for being their only fanboy left atm?
Oh yeah I know you do it for free coz you are such a strong believer in CCP and their great ideas...
Why not go back to your lowsec and wait for some poor soul to gank?
An elite sov-holding alliance builder, who thinks any other class of player can't have an opinion, who is crying about CCP nerfing their carebearing.
Problem is the Dominion changes encouraged the wrong type of player to set up shop in 0.0. ie Alliances such as FCON, FA, WTF, LAWN would have no business in 0.0 if they actually had to fight for their own space.
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Johnny Lane
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Posted - 2011.04.03 16:39:00 -
[2571]
So far I am really disappointed. If this feature is implemented as announced, it will be a disaster for the entire 0.0 Community. Most players will no longer be able to earn enough money to do reasonable PvP, and ergo will probably stop playing Eve. I can only advice CCP to reconsider deploying this new "feature".
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.04.03 16:41:00 -
[2572]
Originally by: Lonely Island
Problem is the Dominion changes encouraged the wrong type of player to set up shop in 0.0. ie Alliances such as FCON, FA, WTF, LAWN would have no business in 0.0 if they actually had to fight for their own space.
No disagreement here.
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Mistchaser
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Posted - 2011.04.03 17:08:00 -
[2573]
Originally by: Marconus Orion
Originally by: CBBOMBERMAN
Quote:
I reckon a propper Capfleet will be most impressed by your hardeners.
Smart idea +10
I dont they have a chance against a whole coalition XD not that the hardners are gonna prevent the invitable.
I was assuming it would be more than one tower. About 20 towers with a lot of hardeners on. Then listen in on comms to hear the moaning about having to siege all of them. Watch as the amount of people willing to x up goes down more and more. Then, hot drop them with DRF and watch from the safety of the POS as many dread pilots get punched in the *******.
Granted you still will be kicked out but at least you didn't go down like a *****. Or am I thinking some of these renters have a spine?
Lol. I watched Defi4nt try to rebel when they were renting and stand against their hosts. Yea that lasted as long as it took to incap the cyno jammer and jump the motherships in.
So each tower takes a few minutes to reinforce and then they have to come back later and finish it off, while you sit docked in station with 600 hostiles outside and watch.
Resistance doesn't work out too well. :)
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El Liptonez
Trauma Ward
0ccupational Hazzard
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Posted - 2011.04.03 17:14:00 -
[2574]
Back in 2009 everyone only flew frigates, because that was the only thing people could afford from belt ratting.
At least from what people in this thread tell me.
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Avallarion Selara
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Posted - 2011.04.03 17:18:00 -
[2575]
IMO it's a good idea to give True Sec more meaning. That makes systems more deverse and gives some reason for conflict. But invalidating most of 0.0 space is bull****.
Let's face it, nobody likes to farm Anos and Havens/Sanctums are the only ones worth doing. So in the end you have 4 relevant anos and the rest are just fillers. Wouldn't it be better to have a system that promotes more diversity and makes use of the other Anos?
Is there any reason for Anos to exist in 0.0 that are designed for anything less capable than a BC? (And generate matching income of course.)
It's also quite interesting how different Military upgrades and Industrial ones are. For Military it's very easy to reach and maintain lvl5 but you also need lvl5 to have any worthwhile effect. For Industry you have to work those mining lasers quite hard to reach lvl5 and most corps don't bother to because even starting with lvl1 you get what you want. So maybe it would help if Military levels worked more like Industrial ones? Hard to reach but worth something from the start?
Another bad point about Anos is that they are 100% reliable in their respawn. You did a Station Sanctum? Wait a few mins and there's a new one for you. This means that you can reliably form the same Ano ad infinitum. This gets boring really fast.
So now my idea:
- Each system spawns 4 + military level + bonus for low True Sec Anos
- When an Ano is completed a new random one spawns after a few minutes. The chance for each type depends on military level and True Sec. The function should be in a way that even a 0.0 system could get Sanctums when fully upgraded but maybe only like 10% of the time. Good True Sec systems could also spawn "Super Sanctums" when upgraded.
- The type of NPC in the Ano should also depend on True Sec and military level. Simply better chance for good ships like expensive battleships or faction spawns.
This could make it necessary to do the smaller Anos from time to time but they would possibly not feel like a complete waste of time anymore.
What do you think?
PS: I'm aware that there are more important things to fix than Anos. Moongold and Jump Bridges/Titan Bridges come to mind.
Oh, and I liked the proposal to reduce bounty but increase loot/salvage. Doesn't really reduce your income but means that you have to do a little bit more besides Ctrl+Left and F1.
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Mistchaser
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Posted - 2011.04.03 17:27:00 -
[2576]
Edited by: Mistchaser on 03/04/2011 17:27:40
Originally by: Avallarion Selara
So now my idea:
- Each system spawns 4 + military level + bonus for low True Sec Anos
- When an Ano is completed a new random one spawns after a few minutes. The chance for each type depends on military level and True Sec. The function should be in a way that even a 0.0 system could get Sanctums when fully upgraded but maybe only like 10% of the time. Good True Sec systems could also spawn "Super Sanctums" when upgraded.
- The type of NPC in the Ano should also depend on True Sec and military level. Simply better chance for good ships like expensive battleships or faction spawns.
This could make it necessary to do the smaller Anos from time to time but they would possibly not feel like a complete waste of time anymore.
See, now this is brilliant. Use the truesec mechanic to make existing anoms more or less valuable relatively, but not completely obsolete the worse systems. You will get the increased value of truesec that you desire, and thus more conflict over that, but also keep the rest of null viable for smaller alliances who are trying to get their feet wet.
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fibergunner
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Posted - 2011.04.03 17:56:00 -
[2577]
I am happy about this change. Renter tears YAY...:) |
fibergunner
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Posted - 2011.04.03 18:09:00 -
[2578]
Now Soundwave and Darius you two have a job on your hands. Make sure Greyscale does not back down because of the renter tears. In all seriousness this is a fantastic change. DRF renter isk is going to dry up YAY!!!. Crap true sec should never be equal to better true sec. I have played since 04 and this is one of the better changes. Good looking out.
BFF <3 |
Lost'In'Space
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Posted - 2011.04.03 20:03:00 -
[2579]
Originally by: Antigue
Do not turn against the vast majority of your player base.
You may think the world of your systems and your napfest buddies and your anomalies, but 0.0 carebears are hardly the vast majority of player base.
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Samurai Okie
Helljumpers
En Garde
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Posted - 2011.04.03 23:29:00 -
[2580]
Originally by: Lost'In'Space
Originally by: Antigue
Do not turn against the vast majority of your player base.
You may think the world of your systems and your napfest buddies and your anomalies, but 0.0 carebears are hardly the vast majority of player base.
Are you sure?
After all its always been carebear tears that have lead to the other major nerfs against PVPers Take the Nano Nerf for example
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