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Torenc
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:27:00 -
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it is posible atleast was. chanin with 2 chars 1 system. And gived good amiunt off isk to fast recover from battles, but now that wil end wie agein wil see less battles. Pilots in small ainces wioth dont have reinbursments wil fight less then befor or bring high sec alts alts out to empire to farm missions.
This days was 1 hour almost 1 BS if you farm with 2 chars and atleast tengu or carrer, ader hour interceptor plus fiting, and fiting for BS.
Now if agein wil need belt rating that wil take 4-5 hours to gain the same so les time for battles, ccp calcualtions its wrong they not looking from isk/h but looking over all and that wrong.
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Bill Andrex This is a stupid change on behalf of CCP. CCP Greyscale might be happy at the changes over his morning coffee, but us players are certainly not happy at the changes proposed.
The current system is fine, it works well and does what it intended. Now we are moving to a system that works well but doesn't do what it intended in the first place. The idea was to spread people about in nullsec so that systems could sustain a higher 0.0 population.
CCP have now gone ahead and shot that idea in the foot. It will now be harder for newer up and coming Alliances to carve out a living in 0.0. It won't effect existing 0.0 Alliances as they make their ISK from moon goo, all CCP you have done here is gimp the little guy who is trying to make a living.
The little guy is going to spend less time in fleets and more time trying to scratch out a living to make a little ISK to replace his losses. Why take away the incentive for people to move from empire to 0.0?
CCP you have dropped the ball here.
thats you ? http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Bill+Andrex#kills
looks like you are pvp ing 1 a week and look at your losses ... if you cant replace that .. then hope is lost
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Civire Dissension
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrasith Let's assume the position from the point of view of the vast majority of the folks in EVE, and also on this thread: They arent directors, nor are they CEO's.
-What option does the individual have to even know what sources of revenue the corporation has? -What options does the individual have to understand the current assets that the Corp has? -Shares are largely useless in their current incarnation, so what options does the individual have to ensure a percentage pay-out based on position? -What if assets are purchased from profits realized as a result of an individuals work efforts. How can the individual player understand the value of those assets if they dont know what assets the corp has, and how can they be sure to get a percentage of the payout when those assets are sold?
In too many cases Corp executive teams use the Corp wallet as their own personal wallet. Ive seen it personally especially with R64 moons. Money gets pulled from it when they want for their own purposes and funds. In addition - your claim regarding CEO's and Directors using the Corp wallet to purchase items for the Corp, ("its been handled purely through the corp wallet."), if that was the case, and that was the majority, why is it that according to QEN4 there is 35 Trillion ISK in corp wallets but 285 trillion ISK in personal wallets?
Wouldnt one conclude that since the most profitiable activity in EVE is to mine Moon Goo, which should be a Corporate level activity, and funds should flow into corporate wallets for that that a larger percentage of funds should be found in Corporate wallets as opposed to Personal wallets? Strange distribution of funds.
The tools are completely inadequate at present in order to distribute wealth in a reliable format.
you are a truck driver for kookooo kola. why do you think you are entitled to oversight, and dividends? IRL,as in game, you need to be a "shareholder" to do this. and, as in real life, if you own enough shares, you get to decide who the CEO is. and again, as in real life, if you DON'T own shares, you only get to vote with your feet.
further: why should the sum total of corps hold more ISK than the sum total of players? are there more corps than there are players now? how did that happen??
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Th3bl4ckr4bbit
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:30:00 -
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Agree with you, but you need 2 characters to get your isk ....
Then go and try to find a good belting place to rat, then try to farm in belts with 2 characters....
You won't earn the same amount. ou will earn 50% less and remember to change your ship... Farming in belts with carrier or nyx is not a good idea
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:31:00 -
[2945]
Originally by: Grog Barrel
Originally by: Lt Pizi
Originally by: Patri Andari Imagine how much easier this would have been if CCP had done the following:
Make upgrades and upkeep costs more in bad true sec and less in higher true sec yet leave the spawns somewhat the same in bad true sec and better as true sec improves.
Damn, I am a genius!
no you are not
a sanctum/haven makes 100m/h x4 is 400m ph is around 10b a day is 300b a month
so to achive the same goal (nerving the income by half ) the system cost would be 150b ....
now that would be an outcry =)))
(the 100m/h is not my number it was stated by the carbears that run em in this thread)
since your are adding a multiplication of factor 4 into your ecuation, your whole statement is comparable to <insert anything not serious here>
in case you are not aware that in the current system there are in fact 4 sanctims/havens per any updated system i tell you now ... thats why x4
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Haoibuni
Solar Nexus. -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:32:00 -
[2946]
Wanna hit 100 pages.
Have a rethink CCP.
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Civire Dissension
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rainus Max CCP are you actually going to say ANYTHING on this?
Nearly 100 pages on this and all we get "oops this isnt popular, well look into it" post and then all you do is sweep it under the carpet and carry on.
Welllllll,......... they did say they were looking for "ISK Sinks." Apparently, the best one thy;ve come up with is, "Hey look, spend your money. Wait, we changed our minds, you just flushed all that ISK down the toilet. Nope, we're not even going to say 'sorry about that *stuff* '"...
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Torenc
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Th3bl4ckr4bbit Agree with you, but you need 2 characters to get your isk ....
Then go and try to find a good belting place to rat, then try to farm in belts with 2 characters....
You won't earn the same amount. ou will earn 50% less and remember to change your ship... Farming in belts with carrier or nyx is not a good idea
not ift wil be not 50% less but wil be araund 20% from curent sanctum farming. even with faction spawns with moslty have ****y loot this days.
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Th3bl4ckr4bbit
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Pizi
Originally by: Grog Barrel
Originally by: Lt Pizi
Originally by: Patri Andari Imagine how much easier this would have been if CCP had done the following:
Make upgrades and upkeep costs more in bad true sec and less in higher true sec yet leave the spawns somewhat the same in bad true sec and better as true sec improves.
Damn, I am a genius!
no you are not
a sanctum/haven makes 100m/h x4 is 400m ph is around 10b a day is 300b a month
so to achive the same goal (nerving the income by half ) the system cost would be 150b ....
now that would be an outcry =)))
(the 100m/h is not my number it was stated by the carbears that run em in this thread)
since your are adding a multiplication of factor 4 into your ecuation, your whole statement is comparable to <insert anything not serious here>
in case you are not aware that in the current system there are in fact 4 sanctims/havens per any updated system i tell you now ... thats why x4
First go there:
Guristas Sanctum
Then remember it takes time to run them, and when you have 4 anoms in 1 sytem most of time you are not alone. So generally you have time to run 2 anoms/h with 2 accounts.
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Kabars
Saint Industrial Services Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:38:00 -
[2950]
Originally by: Iago TwoHeart DAMN YOU CCP!!! If you can so easily ignore so many pages of veteran's complaints then what do you care about losing noob blood?
Well said but they don't care as long as the bigger alliances flursh and the smaller ones fail thats what they want i guess. Its almost like certin alliances have Devs in there back pocket.
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Torenc
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:38:00 -
[2951]
Originally by: Civire Dissension
Originally by: Mithrasith Let's assume the position from the point of view of the vast majority of the folks in EVE, and also on this thread: They arent directors, nor are they CEO's.
-What option does the individual have to even know what sources of revenue the corporation has? -What options does the individual have to understand the current assets that the Corp has? -Shares are largely useless in their current incarnation, so what options does the individual have to ensure a percentage pay-out based on position? -What if assets are purchased from profits realized as a result of an individuals work efforts. How can the individual player understand the value of those assets if they dont know what assets the corp has, and how can they be sure to get a percentage of the payout when those assets are sold?
In too many cases Corp executive teams use the Corp wallet as their own personal wallet. Ive seen it personally especially with R64 moons. Money gets pulled from it when they want for their own purposes and funds. In addition - your claim regarding CEO's and Directors using the Corp wallet to purchase items for the Corp, ("its been handled purely through the corp wallet."), if that was the case, and that was the majority, why is it that according to QEN4 there is 35 Trillion ISK in corp wallets but 285 trillion ISK in personal wallets?
Wouldnt one conclude that since the most profitiable activity in EVE is to mine Moon Goo, which should be a Corporate level activity, and funds should flow into corporate wallets for that that a larger percentage of funds should be found in Corporate wallets as opposed to Personal wallets? Strange distribution of funds.
The tools are completely inadequate at present in order to distribute wealth in a reliable format.
you are a truck driver for kookooo kola. why do you think you are entitled to oversight, and dividends? IRL,as in game, you need to be a "shareholder" to do this. and, as in real life, if you own enough shares, you get to decide who the CEO is. and again, as in real life, if you DON'T own shares, you only get to vote with your feet.
further: why should the sum total of corps hold more ISK than the sum total of players? are there more corps than there are players now? how did that happen??
Ting its such that corps usualy colecting money in to accounts then spending in one big wave, lets say how much yyou need to colect to get nyx bpo and meny corps start duing that to colect them after soem time corps again wil trow out all isk and wil be situation ader way. And meny corps as ours making reinbursments for his meber loses, atleast wie done that i dont know if wil be posible now generate so meny isk from tax to cover it. usualy to reinburse lets say 10 member fleet you need araund 1,2 bilj depends on ship types that means corps need more money than players eny way.
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Th3bl4ckr4bbit
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:39:00 -
[2952]
Originally by: Torenc
Originally by: Th3bl4ckr4bbit Agree with you, but you need 2 characters to get your isk ....
Then go and try to find a good belting place to rat, then try to farm in belts with 2 characters....
You won't earn the same amount. ou will earn 50% less and remember to change your ship... Farming in belts with carrier or nyx is not a good idea
not ift wil be not 50% less but wil be araund 20% from curent sanctum farming. even with faction spawns with moslty have ****y loot this days.
Don't know where you live but link me some belts system where we can farm :) And remember that A LOT of players will have to change their isk earning method and ccp won't add more belts....
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Torenc
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kabars
Originally by: Iago TwoHeart DAMN YOU CCP!!! If you can so easily ignore so many pages of veteran's complaints then what do you care about losing noob blood?
Well said but they don't care as long as the bigger alliances flursh and the smaller ones fail thats what they want i guess. Its almost like certin alliances have Devs in there back pocket.
now and befor in eve was and is sitiation than you have no chois if you are smal allaince you cant hold space by you own. You need go to soem power block for protection and be a pets there is no choise and this pach actualy brings smaler alalince look more for peting than befor. Main income form small allinces is taxes from corporations per members in corp, with usualy goid into a space holding payments, and was berly inaf to cover it.
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Kabars
Saint Industrial Services Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Torenc
Originally by: Kabars
Originally by: Iago TwoHeart DAMN YOU CCP!!! If you can so easily ignore so many pages of veteran's complaints then what do you care about losing noob blood?
Well said but they don't care as long as the bigger alliances flursh and the smaller ones fail thats what they want i guess. Its almost like certin alliances have Devs in there back pocket.
now and befor in eve was and is sitiation than you have no chois if you are smal allaince you cant hold space by you own. You need go to soem power block for protection and be a pets there is no choise and this pach actualy brings smaler alalince look more for peting than befor. Main income form small allinces is taxes from corporations per members in corp, with usualy goid into a space holding payments, and was berly inaf to cover it.
Ok but if you wanna be a pet or rent space the cluster **** of a patch will make it harder for those alliance to get the isk to pay there bills
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Civire Dissension
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Danastar
Originally by: Civire Dissension Edited by: Civire Dissension on 06/04/2011 11:44:34
Originally by: Th3bl4ckr4bbit Edited by: Th3bl4ckr4bbit on 06/04/2011 10:05:21 You're wrong man, i'am a stupid carebear and a sanctum gives 500M / hour.
So please use my numbers and recalculate.
I'm a stupid nullseccer and i been running these things since they came out. will you PLEASE come out here and show me wtf i am doing wrong?? best i have EVER done is a 15mill wallet tick, and that was with a faction spawn.
really, who fed you that stuff, and why do you like the flavor so much? better to fertilize the back 40 with it.
just for informaton:
Angel Sanctums/Havens have 1.1/1.2 mil BS
using 1 thanatos, you'll get abt 60-90 mil/h. Depends on how lazy you are and if you have fast access to free anoms
2 thanatoses will get you in 90-120 mil/h range
1 thanny + nyx and you are in 120-150 mil/h range
2 nyxes equals 150-180 mil/h
Good combo is thanny + machariel also, but havent tried it as it requires more efforts and control.
These numbers, again, are for Angel anomalies and with 10% corp tax. Ratting in Pure Blind for instance will get you less isk/h ratio as the BS there have worse bounty.
sounds good. got 2 nyx's i can borrow? and the toons to fly them? we still fall far short of the "500 million an hour" mentioned earlier... oh, and is our isk/hour income taking into account the expense when, not if, these nyx's get hot-dropped?
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Torenc
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:46:00 -
[2956]
Originally by: Th3bl4ckr4bbit
Originally by: Torenc
Originally by: Th3bl4ckr4bbit Agree with you, but you need 2 characters to get your isk ....
Then go and try to find a good belting place to rat, then try to farm in belts with 2 characters....
You won't earn the same amount. ou will earn 50% less and remember to change your ship... Farming in belts with carrier or nyx is not a good idea
not ift wil be not 50% less but wil be araund 20% from curent sanctum farming. even with faction spawns with moslty have ****y loot this days.
Don't know where you live but link me some belts system where we can farm :) And remember that A LOT of players will have to change their isk earning method and ccp won't add more belts....
and take into acount that ppl loking for easy ways to ern money they wil go to empire farming, that means les ppl in 0.0 and less in fleets leess battles and ader tings wath ccp actuly hoped toget,
I tink only ting wath ccp culd do for 0.0 its leave sanctums alone , but if they wished implement more reflect true sec status than they culd do simply ting, there are 2 ore more ways to do that. 1. sanctums stay in systems how they are but in crease bountys on rats i nsanctums acording true sec. 2. sanctums stay but increase sanctum count in sustme with beter true sec . 3. both version.
eny way no one runing thos smol **** and ccp see that. PPl beter wil go to empire and sefe runing misions then run somting less then sanctum.
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Torenc
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:48:00 -
[2957]
Originally by: Kabars
Originally by: Torenc
Originally by: Kabars
Originally by: Iago TwoHeart DAMN YOU CCP!!! If you can so easily ignore so many pages of veteran's complaints then what do you care about losing noob blood?
Well said but they don't care as long as the bigger alliances flursh and the smaller ones fail thats what they want i guess. Its almost like certin alliances have Devs in there back pocket.
now and befor in eve was and is sitiation than you have no chois if you are smal allaince you cant hold space by you own. You need go to soem power block for protection and be a pets there is no choise and this pach actualy brings smaler alalince look more for peting than befor. Main income form small allinces is taxes from corporations per members in corp, with usualy goid into a space holding payments, and was berly inaf to cover it.
Ok but if you wanna be a pet or rent space the cluster **** of a patch will make it harder for those alliance to get the isk to pay there bills
and that means more taxes on corps more taxes on corps more taxes on members more taxes on mebbers lesss members in 0.0
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Th3bl4ckr4bbit
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:50:00 -
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500M/H was from me and was 100% ironic in response to the most stupid way to calculate isk/H for running anoms...
I could have said 159B/H it would have been the same :)
Anyways, CCP is removing ISK from null sec that is the point... Whatever people say, yes you cn go rat in belt, try to find ded plexs, go WH, run missions etc.... But they are still removing isk from null sec that's all... Less isk less pvp, less pvp less buying demand etc etc.. Sell your trita stock in Jita guys in the next 6 months trita will be back at 1.5 isk.
And yes miner will whine....
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Kabars
Saint Industrial Services Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:53:00 -
[2959]
You know with 99 pages of b****ing and complaining at the end of the day and patch it will all be the same because CCP does not give a flying **** about its memebers who have been here for years playing the game. With the new "improvements" and " we know whats best " attuide Its all going to boil dow to we will still be playing and thats all they care about is getting that 15 bucks a month and to hell with there complaints or suggestions.
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Torenc
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Th3bl4ckr4bbit 500M/H was from me and was 100% ironic in response to the most stupid way to calculate isk/H for running anoms...
I could have said 159B/H it would have been the same :)
Anyways, CCP is removing ISK from null sec that is the point... Whatever people say, yes you cn go rat in belt, try to find ded plexs, go WH, run missions etc.... But they are still removing isk from null sec that's all... Less isk less pvp, less pvp less buying demand etc etc.. Sell your trita stock in Jita guys in the next 6 months trita will be back at 1.5 isk.
And yes miner will whine....
Wil be not just drop off trit biut wil drop all minerals eve megacyte from wat lived miners and ader good minerals that wil make useles even thos hiden belts. That will impact even t2 market, ppl wil be not able buy t2 ships with curent PI POS fuel prices rections to not generating inof money cover everiting so thos wil stay at the same price but ppl will need lat more time to get them.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:55:00 -
[2961]
So close to 100 pages of wine, come on, work it up guys!
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Torenc
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:56:00 -
[2962]
Originally by: Kabars You know with 99 pages of b****ing and complaining at the end of the day and patch it will all be the same because CCP does not give a flying **** about its memebers who have been here for years playing the game. With the new "improvements" and " we know whats best " attuide Its all going to boil dow to we will still be playing and thats all they care about is getting that 15 bucks a month and to hell with there complaints or suggestions.
I tink need make sotming protest agans this pach dercrease conflict count to minimum stop fighting at all just protect space no roming noting until pach not fixed.
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Th3bl4ckr4bbit
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:59:00 -
[2963]
Originally by: Kabars You know with 99 pages of b****ing and complaining at the end of the day and patch it will all be the same because CCP does not give a flying **** about its memebers who have been here for years playing the game. With the new "improvements" and " we know whats best " attuide Its all going to boil dow to we will still be playing and thats all they care about is getting that 15 bucks a month and to hell with there complaints or suggestions.
And ? Even if most of us will keep on playing, i assume a lot of people will cancel 1 alt or leave game. But it doesn't really matters for CCP as it is just a statistic.
Even it hey loose 1000 accounts directly due to this patch they will earn more money. Less isk in game means more plex buying to CCP so they won't loose anything. Removing high anoms in null sec is also a way to fight the bots. The less anoms they have the less isk they have. So even if good and real players are affected, there is no direct impact to CCP RL wallet so.. They don't care for sure. But Eve is a game where there uses to be a dialog between players and CCP that's why we are on this topic. But it seems, that there is a new vision of future that doesn't include dialog.
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Red Morbo
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:59:00 -
[2964]
New t-shirts ready to buy at the eve online shop! "I went to null sec and all i got was this crappy anom"
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Kabars
Saint Industrial Services Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2011.04.06 13:00:00 -
[2965]
Originally by: Torenc
Originally by: Kabars You know with 99 pages of b****ing and complaining at the end of the day and patch it will all be the same because CCP does not give a flying **** about its memebers who have been here for years playing the game. With the new "improvements" and " we know whats best " attuide Its all going to boil dow to we will still be playing and thats all they care about is getting that 15 bucks a month and to hell with there complaints or suggestions.
I tink need make sotming protest agans this pach dercrease conflict count to minimum stop fighting at all just protect space no roming noting until pach not fixed.
You must be in one of the alliances that have good space so when this patch drops you only stand to gain by it unlike my self and my small corp were we will just be hamstrung by this ***hat of a patch
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Th3bl4ckr4bbit
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Posted - 2011.04.06 13:02:00 -
[2966]
Originally by: Red Morbo New t-shirts ready to buy at the eve online shop! "I went to null sec and all i got was this crappy anom"
you are my HERO !!!!!!!!!
Anyways what i most regret is:
No CSM point of view, and no CCP response.
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Torenc
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Posted - 2011.04.06 13:03:00 -
[2967]
Originally by: Kabars
Originally by: Torenc
Originally by: Kabars You know with 99 pages of b****ing and complaining at the end of the day and patch it will all be the same because CCP does not give a flying **** about its memebers who have been here for years playing the game. With the new "improvements" and " we know whats best " attuide Its all going to boil dow to we will still be playing and thats all they care about is getting that 15 bucks a month and to hell with there complaints or suggestions.
I tink need make sotming protest agans this pach dercrease conflict count to minimum stop fighting at all just protect space no roming noting until pach not fixed.
You must be in one of the alliances that have good space so when this patch drops you only stand to gain by it unlike my self and my small corp were we will just be hamstrung by this ***hat of a patch
Yes wie are but stil they wil be all the time full so run them wil be verry verry hard conclusion the same.
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zxsteel
Darkness Of Absolution
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Posted - 2011.04.06 13:03:00 -
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Like to take this time to get good core feedback on 'CCP' thinks of all this 'GREAT' feedback! MOST! I ever seen in long time! Almost 3k in feedback on topic, of how it should not change! Yet to see "CCP Zymurgist" comment on this topic, of almost 100 pages! I look around a bet and yet to see any time other then walking in stations topic! This topic is HOT, and has hit over 125k in hits! So all I got to say now what will you do not you can't deny you didn't see this topic up front.
So once again I ask 'CCP" staff member's what do you thing of all this feedback! I must have been here! |
Danastar
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Posted - 2011.04.06 13:03:00 -
[2969]
Originally by: Civire Dissension
Originally by: Danastar
Originally by: Civire Dissension Edited by: Civire Dissension on 06/04/2011 11:44:34
Originally by: Th3bl4ckr4bbit Edited by: Th3bl4ckr4bbit on 06/04/2011 10:05:21 You're wrong man, i'am a stupid carebear and a sanctum gives 500M / hour.
So please use my numbers and recalculate.
I'm a stupid nullseccer and i been running these things since they came out. will you PLEASE come out here and show me wtf i am doing wrong?? best i have EVER done is a 15mill wallet tick, and that was with a faction spawn.
really, who fed you that stuff, and why do you like the flavor so much? better to fertilize the back 40 with it.
just for informaton:
Angel Sanctums/Havens have 1.1/1.2 mil BS
using 1 thanatos, you'll get abt 60-90 mil/h. Depends on how lazy you are and if you have fast access to free anoms
2 thanatoses will get you in 90-120 mil/h range
1 thanny + nyx and you are in 120-150 mil/h range
2 nyxes equals 150-180 mil/h
Good combo is thanny + machariel also, but havent tried it as it requires more efforts and control.
These numbers, again, are for Angel anomalies and with 10% corp tax. Ratting in Pure Blind for instance will get you less isk/h ratio as the BS there have worse bounty.
sounds good. got 2 nyx's i can borrow? and the toons to fly them? we still fall far short of the "500 million an hour" mentioned earlier... oh, and is our isk/hour income taking into account the expense when, not if, these nyx's get hot-dropped?
yeah - i have 2 nyxes with 2 chars capable of using them :) and no - you can't borrow them :). As i said in my post - it is just for information, so you have better idea how much isk/h you can generate. As for hot dropping - I used these nyxes for realtively short period of time and so far i guess i was lucky. Still, if you know what you are doing, it is reasonable risk. You risk more - you get more. After all - if you are afraid of the big bad wolf, dont go to the forest :)
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.04.06 13:04:00 -
[2970]
Originally by: Kabars You must be in one of the alliances that have good space so when this patch drops you only stand to gain by it unlike my self and my small corp were we will just be hamstrung by this ***hat of a patch
Delicious pleb tears.
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