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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
1013
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Posted - 2012.08.29 02:12:00 -
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ashley Eoner wrote: In case you're wondering I was welcomed to eve by having my first ship ganked when I undocked to do the tutorial missions. Dude just killed me for no apparent reason and when I asked why he screamed "NEWBIE CAREBEAR GET OUT OF NPC CORP" and then blocked me. Days later when I attempted to start mining I was ganked in my hoarder. This doesn't include the rampant can flipping and overall obsession of certain vets who make it a point to hang in the newbie areas just to grief people.
If people couldn't hide in NPC corps to begin with, think you would have been ganked by someone saying stop hiding? You have inherited a legacy of ****. You can either change it, or fall in line with the mediocre lifestyles those before you set in motion. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1747
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Posted - 2012.08.29 02:12:00 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:You vets are hilarious. Most of the problems of this game are actually vet created. You created the mess that is nullsec. You created the mess that is low sec via gate camps and such. YOU have created the problem with highsec by relentlessly exploiting the ruleset to kill newbies. You scream and cry about newbies staying in the NPC corps and then when one tries to join your corp you scream "SPY ALT!!!" or "NOT ENOUGH SP!!!" all day at them. So newbies have the choice of staying in the NPC corp or taking a risk on a small corp that is very likely a ****** corp. On top of that when you don't scream about spies or SP issues you take the opportunity to scam the newbie by taking everything they have or by killing them. Then you come to the forums acting all surprised when newbies stay in the NPC corp.
In case you're wondering I was welcomed to eve by having my first ship ganked when I undocked to do the tutorial missions. Dude just killed me for no apparent reason and when I asked why he screamed "NEWBIE CAREBEAR GET OUT OF NPC CORP" and then blocked me. Days later when I attempted to start mining I was ganked in my hoarder. This doesn't include the rampant can flipping and overall obsession of certain vets who make it a point to hang in the newbie areas just to grief people.
If you want this game to change you might want to take a moment and look at your own actions and how they might be contributing to the problems at hand. You're not hardcore and this game isn't hardcore either. I've seen hundreds of similar games over my decades of game playing. There's nothing special about your ability to play this game. Get over yourself and you might start to see the true problems here. Or you can continue your forum circle jerk about how eve is "cold and hard" and how special you are as people to play such a "cold and hard" game. If you want true "cold and hard" you should turn off the computer and go outside.
I've said my peace as a newbie to this game.
I can't disagree.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
ashley Eoner
46
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Posted - 2012.08.29 02:12:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:ashley Eoner wrote:In case you're wondering I was welcomed to eve by having my first ship ganked when I undocked to do the tutorial missions. Dude just killed me for no apparent reason and when I asked why he screamed "NEWBIE CAREBEAR GET OUT OF NPC CORP" and then blocked me. Days later when I attempted to start mining I was ganked in my hoarder. This doesn't include the rampant can flipping and overall obsession of certain vets who make it a point to hang in the newbie areas just to grief people. I lol'd. It was especially funny because my character was only a couple days old and I was still trying to figure out how to even fly. |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
38
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Posted - 2012.08.29 02:14:00 -
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Considering just how many people are in some of those NPC corps I'm not so sure if wardeccing them is such a good idea. Would you really want to try to take on the Center for Advanced Studies? I certainly wouldn't want to. They're not all newbies, you know - some (not many, but some) of the oldest, more experienced characters in the game are still in those NPC corps as well. They might just take that sort of thing personally, too. Make an example out of people, if you catch my drift.
This could easily become one of those wishes that comes back to bite people in their behinds, and while the flow of tears suddenly in the other direction might be amusing at first, in the end it would only result in even more whining to change it back - and if I know those lovely sadists at CCP, that's right about when they start laughing maniacally for about five minutes straight, grin, say "NO!" and resume laughing again. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
509
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Posted - 2012.08.29 02:21:00 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:It was especially funny because my character was only a couple days old and I was still trying to figure out how to even fly. Yeah, sorry, the magic is gone. Try less hard, maybe? Nothing Found |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1288
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Posted - 2012.08.29 02:22:00 -
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Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:Considering just how many people are in some of those NPC corps I'm not so sure if wardeccing them is such a good idea. Would you really want to try to take on the Center for Advanced Studies? I certainly wouldn't want to. They're not all newbies, you know - some (not many, but some) of the oldest, more experienced characters in the game are still in those NPC corps as well. They might just take that sort of thing personally, too. Make an example out of people, if you catch my drift.
This could easily become one of those wishes that comes back to bite people in their behinds, and while the flow of tears suddenly in the other direction might be amusing at first, in the end it would only result in even more whining to change it back - and if I know those lovely sadists at CCP, that's right about when they start laughing maniacally for about five minutes straight, grin, say "NO!" and resume laughing again. Let's do this thing ~~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
1013
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Posted - 2012.08.29 02:22:00 -
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Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:This could easily become one of those wishes that comes back to bite people in their behinds, and while the flow of tears suddenly in the other direction might be amusing at first, in the end it would only result in even more whining to change it back - and if I know those lovely sadists at CCP, that's right about when they start laughing maniacally for about five minutes straight, grin, say "NO!" and resume laughing again.
Just like dual mw drives or ABs on ships. or AOE doomsdays, npcs corps going from zero to 11% tax, lvl5s leaving highsec, incursions screwing with space. People will get over it and adapt. |
Volar Kang
Quartz Research Strategic Alliance
14
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Posted - 2012.08.29 02:23:00 -
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Brilliant idea! And while we are at it, lets nerf Null-Sec too! Lets reduce all weapon damage in null-sec by 80% due to EMI which is out of control in non-concord systems. Lets also make null-sec players have limits on the size their alliance can grow and set that limit at 1000 members. We wouldnt want a bunch of over-crowded allainces all doing blob warfare out in null would we?
Seriously, stop whining about how others play the game. There is nothing wrong with highsec. If you want a fight, go to low or null, be a man and fight someone who can actually shoot back. There is nothing wrong with a newer player being able to mine a bit in highsec and be somewhat safe. If that poor little miner really makes you mad, jump in a battleship and suicide him. You can still gank, you just wont make the profit from it you used to. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1747
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Posted - 2012.08.29 02:23:00 -
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Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:Considering just how many people are in some of those NPC corps I'm not so sure if wardeccing them is such a good idea. Would you really want to try to take on the Center for Advanced Studies? I certainly wouldn't want to. They're not all newbies, you know - some (not many, but some) of the oldest, more experienced characters in the game are still in those NPC corps as well. They might just take that sort of thing personally, too. Make an example out of people, if you catch my drift.
This could easily become one of those wishes that comes back to bite people in their behinds, and while the flow of tears suddenly in the other direction might be amusing at first, in the end it would only result in even more whining to change it back - and if I know those lovely sadists at CCP, that's right about when they start laughing maniacally for about five minutes straight, grin, say "NO!" and resume laughing again.
Ah...CAS!
I well remember back in the day when I had one of my first characters in there. Used to be that someone would suggest a low sec or null roam and there'd be two dozen frigates and T1 cruisers at a gate within 20 minutes ready to go. Back in those days if you had a spare hull or two, you'd donate to the cause. It was a real tight knit group.
I haven't had a character involved in an NPC corp for a few years so I'm not sure what they're like now, but they used to be a real hoot for those willing to take a risk and have some fun.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Bully Hedro
Inner 5phere
18
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Posted - 2012.08.29 02:24:00 -
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One more "Those guys should be forced to play the game like I do" thread.
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ashley Eoner
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Posted - 2012.08.29 02:26:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:ashley Eoner wrote:It was especially funny because my character was only a couple days old and I was still trying to figure out how to even fly. Yeah, sorry, the magic is gone. Try less hard, maybe? I know it sounds stupid but I had a bit of an issue getting my ship to fly properly at the beginning. I started just before they added in the tutorial system last year. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
1013
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Posted - 2012.08.29 02:29:00 -
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Bully Hedro wrote:One more "Those guys should be forced to play the game like I do" thread.
-1 One more "Right, kick ass. Well, don't want to sound like a **** or nothin', but, ah... it says on your chart that you're ****** up. Ah, you talk like a ***, and your ****'s all ********. What I'd do, is just like... like... you know, like, you know what I mean, like.."
Thanks for your valued input. |
Bommel McMurdoc
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
34
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Posted - 2012.08.29 02:59:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Bully Hedro wrote:One more "Those guys should be forced to play the game like I do" thread.
-1 Thanks for your valued input, very insightful.
He's got a point though......
and ganking in high sec isn't dead, not by a long shot. There's plenty of miners who don't tank their ships. The other day I saw a guy in a catalyst take down a mackinaw and taunt the guy non-stop for hours in local.
having said that, if you want the entire game to play "your way." Why is it hard for you to modify your play style just a little bit? There's plenty of terror to be brought upon in wormholes, low sec, and Null-sec. Making an NPC corp open for war dec's would bring upon more issues than I care to count. I mean jeez, there's like hundreds of accounts going in those NPC corps that don't do much other than treat the "corp" chat room like it's the Barrens Chat. Opening War Dec's on high security NPC corporations means that 1 guy upsets you, hundreds of others (who don't really know the guy even exists) would pay for his mistake. Hell, as intriguing as the concept of having an open season massacre sounds, I don't think it has to become even more difficult for newcomers to try and enjoy this game.
Miners permit? Really? a Newcomer gets into the game in his nice new rookie ship with a civilian miner and and pretty much zero isk and now he's gotta pay a miner's permit? sure, it'll give him the hint that mining isn't a widely acceptable career, but shouldn't that be his decision? |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
1013
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Posted - 2012.08.29 03:07:00 -
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Bommel McMurdoc wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Bully Hedro wrote:One more "Those guys should be forced to play the game like I do" thread.
-1 Thanks for your valued input, very insightful. He's got a point though...... Miners permit? Really? a Newcomer gets into the game in his nice new rookie ship with a civilian miner and and pretty much zero isk and now he's gotta pay a miner's permit? sure, it'll give him the hint that mining isn't a widely acceptable career, but shouldn't that be his decision?
And if you would read. It costs actually nothing. Being part of a player corp IS the permit. And newcomers get 30 days to mine in npc corp in the original idea. The other current alternate is no special changes, just after a month, those that choose to stay in NPC corps are drafted into npc navy if you don't choose to go into the private sector. Staying forever inside a NPC corp was a horrible design choice.
Most against me assumes I am a ganker, or a wardecker, or someone who they think gains something out of this. I am, I would. a meaningful universe. I would be in a player corp just like you. Oh wait. I am in a player corp. There are only two in my corp? OH NOES! Who will I talk to. Oh I can fleet with other corps and make custom channels? ...interesting. |
Bommel McMurdoc
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
34
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Posted - 2012.08.29 03:13:00 -
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Hmm, Why don't we add an addendum to that idea... after 30 days as a newcomer you must sacrifice yourself AND your pod to the local PvP'er and your permit fee is waived.
(mind you I'm being completely sarcastic.) |
darkenspace
Perkone Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.08.29 08:43:00 -
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24 sec to next match in tribes ascent i read the eve forums 24 secs at a time lol
log in update skill log out |
TharOkha
0asis Group
20
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Posted - 2012.08.29 09:32:00 -
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So... another thread about how l33t PvPers are angry about NPC corps and miners?. Dude, you can still suicide gank them if you hate them so much. Maybe not with 2m destroyer, but Talos will do that (even well tanked mack - i tested it few days ago).
Im not a miner, but i was always amazed how those "elite hisec PvP warriors" are so angry that they cannot wardec miners. Maybe you should try Lowsec or Nullsec? GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
676
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Posted - 2012.08.29 10:24:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:So... another thread about how l33t PvPers are angry about NPC corps and miners?. Dude, you can still suicide gank them if you hate them so much. Maybe not with 2m destroyer, but Talos will do that (even well tanked mack - i tested it few days ago).
Im not a miner, but i was always amazed how those "elite hisec PvP warriors" are so angry that they cannot wardec miners. Maybe you should try Lowsec or Nullsec?
So high sec should be free of consequences with no way for a corp to counter the competition of miners sitting in NPC corps stripping belts all day? Why shouldn't they be allowed to have other options besides ganking them, that's what the war dec system was intended for, one corp sets up in an area and finds there are others competing for those same resources so it takes action by possibly declaring war and driving those others out.
Except with the shield the NPC corps offer that mechanism is bypassed and made unusable by those who have actually taken the step into a player corp. It's not all about your concept of 'l33t pvpers' looking for easy prey. That same rubbish gets spouted every time. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1716
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Posted - 2012.08.29 10:57:00 -
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Oh crap, i wish there were other things to shoot at than miners ... Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2012.08.29 11:18:00 -
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Lol, OP. All what would happen is a million more one player corps, and two million more corp hopping. Wait till CCP changes the criminal flagging to this crimewatch thing where other players can shoot criminals, and you will see small fleets of NPC corpies roaming around highsec giving those criminals what they want - a fight. Of course it will not be a fair fight, as those lousy NPC corpies will decide to engage (or not).
They (we) are not so unsocialised as you might mean. And probably not so unexperianced as well. |
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Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
145
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Posted - 2012.08.29 11:26:00 -
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What I got out of this posters thread is.
"My way is the only way anyone should be allowed to play the game, change it immediately or I will call you all carebears".
We get it, you suck at PvP and need the mechanics changed so that people without a clue are valid targets for you and you can feel like a big man blowing up haulers all day.
Here is the problem. Its stupid.
The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.-á |
Zaraz Zaraz
Imperial Planetology Academy
28
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Posted - 2012.08.29 11:36:00 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:If you want true "cold and hard" you should turn off the computer and go outside.
And move to Ulaanbaatar, possibly the coldest, hardest city around. Average annual temperature is zero. Mongols are among the toughest people you will ever meet. They don't pickpocket by sneaking a hand in your purse; they pickpocket by slashing your coat open with a knife.
I play Eve because it is a nice break from the everyday pvp I face just walking down the street.
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Tiger Would
EoE-Group
1793
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Posted - 2012.08.29 11:49:00 -
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In order to keep looking nifty as a "leading" alliance, one can not have new, differing or emergent gameplay, it makes you look stupid and should therefor be banned.
See, one sentence would have told your entire story.
Once you think you have it all, you-áhave actually become-áignorant towards everything else.
T. Would |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
159
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Posted - 2012.08.29 12:19:00 -
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Yawn, again .....
Leave hi sec alone and you cannot force ppl to become targets if they don't want to be..
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
680
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Posted - 2012.08.29 14:35:00 -
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Rats wrote:Yawn, again .....
Leave hi sec alone and you cannot force ppl to become targets if they don't want to be..
Tal
Wanna bet Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
1020
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Posted - 2012.08.29 14:43:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Oh crap, i wish there were other things to shoot at than miners ...
Yeah, like NPC corp Tengu bots. |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
161
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Posted - 2012.08.29 15:19:00 -
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Virgil Travis wrote:Rats wrote:Yawn, again .....
Leave hi sec alone and you cannot force ppl to become targets if they don't want to be..
Tal
Wanna bet
In the case of forcing ppl out of he sec into lo yes, If your talking about ganking in hi sec, no
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
681
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Posted - 2012.08.29 16:32:00 -
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Rats wrote:Virgil Travis wrote:Rats wrote:Yawn, again .....
Leave hi sec alone and you cannot force ppl to become targets if they don't want to be..
Tal
Wanna bet In the case of forcing ppl out of he sec into lo yes, If your talking about ganking in hi sec, no Tal
It's player's own choice if they leave high sec or not, no problem with that, but the thing is that any interaction with the market can affect prices of items used outside of high sec and there should be some way for the pvp mechanisms to interact in both directions. If player a can drive up the price of minerals or ships then player b should be able to counter and perhaps destroy the means of gathering the minerals or the ships as they're being delivered to market.
I've never ganked in high sec, I'd much rather deal with combat in low sec, but if I need to deal with competition I'd prefer to have the option to war dec them and send a clear message rather than be confined to just ganking to disrupt operations. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
58
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Posted - 2012.08.29 17:30:00 -
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I see you have finally discoverd the forums. Please pull up a chair and stay awhile you will learn alot. You will learn how to hate people properly at the same time formulating ideas on how to imporve the game. Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
509
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Posted - 2012.08.29 18:04:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:formulating ideas on how to imporve the game. tbh I'm having a tough time formulating ideas on how to imporve any game, much less EVE.
Hate, on the other hand, well, everyone should hate carebears. ******* carebears... Nothing Found |
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