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Jita Bloodtear
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:29:00 -
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All nullsec military upgrades are are in serious danger. Your nullsec alliance players are about to lose their primary source of income.
~60% of nullsec systems will no longer have havens/sanctums
~80% of nullsec systems will be nerfed
~20% of nullsec systems will be improved
 Originally by: "CCP Greyscale"
"Resource density in nullsec is too low to support a high player density"
"By increasing the resource density, you increase the potential population density"
"It gets more people into nullsec - one of our objectives"
- CCP Greyscale, September 14, 2009
Originally by: "CCP Greyscale"
"...we're now revising our opinion on this decision."
- CCP Greyscale, March 25th 2011
To place this in CCP Greyscale's terms "this serves several masters" by:
a.) Nerfing the primary income source of the everyday nullsec player, thus removing an ISK source
b.) Encouraging players to move back to empire space (through removal of agent qualities)
c.) Reducing the size of nullsec fleet battles
d.) Preventing nulsec players from earning a higher income than highsec mission runners
The goal of this change is to try pushing nullsec players back into empire. By eliminating thousands of nullsec players this will reduce the call to fix lag for epic fleet battles because the nullsec fleet sizes will be dramatically reduced.
It WILL NOT allow smaller alliances to occupy nulsec.
It WILL NOT destabilize the coalitions.
It WILL NOT create more smaller scale conflicts "with localized goals"
Originally by: "CCP Greyscale"
"You're seeing this first because it was an obvious target that's relatively easy to implement"
- CCP Greyscale, March 25th 2011
There you have it. Although this doesn't solve any problems, it was EASY to do, so we're doing it. CCP please reconsider these changes before you drastically damage the Dominion changes you spent so long implementing. We need to move forward, not backwards.
If you agree that these changes should not take place, please /sign below.
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Trina Forrest
Caldari
Reliables Inc
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:31:00 -
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/ signed
CCP you are way off the mark. I hope this is a really bad April fools joke by CCP.
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Apackof12Ninjas
Gallente
Reliables Inc
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:36:00 -
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signed x12
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Kai Crichton
Gallente
Reliables Inc
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:36:00 -
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/ Signed
Not a great idea CCP... *sigh*
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crazyjim
Caldari
Reliables Inc
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:39:00 -
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why break what isnt broken ccp?
/signed in earnest
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Apackof12Miners
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:41:00 -
[6]
/signed 
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Lord Iradin
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:43:00 -
[7]
/signed
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0konomiyaki
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:44:00 -
[8]
****ing signed
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Spurk
Caldari
The 2nd Foundation
SOLAR WING
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:44:00 -
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Great idea CCP.
You want nullsec to be "more vibrant and interesting" so you nerf everyones main source of income forcing them to farm longer to replace lost ships.
It's like spitting in the face of logic.
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Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:44:00 -
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wrong forum
and not supported
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Broken Loyalist
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:45:00 -
[11]
Signed
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
R-I-P
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:46:00 -
[12]
/signed.
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mental mavrick
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:46:00 -
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Yea
WTF ccp, next you expect people to make pvp in nullsec.
Please listen to all these Pet-allies which run anos 23/7.
They re like superimportant for the game.
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Sem Nan
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:48:00 -
[14]
/signed
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Rift Malkatar
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:48:00 -
[15]
Please don't make these changes
/signed
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Renan Ruivo
Caldari
Hipernova
Tribal Conclave
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:50:00 -
[16]
/signed
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Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:50:00 -
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i'm enjoying people pulling alts that can't be bothered to make an avatar out of the woodwork for "support".
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Sinistrus Fatalis
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:51:00 -
[18]
*sigh* /signed
Oh ccp... how much further off the mark could you be?
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Broken Loyalist
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
i'm enjoying people pulling alts that can't be bothered to make an avatar out of the woodwork for "support".
I enjoy people who bump important topics :)
Keep it up bro =)
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Alina Wize
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:56:00 -
[20]
/signed
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Cromulant Squirrel
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:56:00 -
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I'm a high security status player, but I wanted to go out to 0.0 at some point and join in the fun. I was told there were lots of high paying opportunities in 0.0, and now you're taking them away? Can't you stall for a few months at least?
/signed
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Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.03.27 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: Broken Loyalist
Originally by: Awesome Possum
i'm enjoying people pulling alts that can't be bothered to make an avatar out of the woodwork for "support".
I enjoy people who bump important topics :)
Keep it up bro =)
oh i've already petitioned it as being in the wrong forum
.......... /petitions it
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manaeus okava
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Posted - 2011.03.27 02:04:00 -
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/singed
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2011.03.27 02:19:00 -
[24]
Fu King Signed
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.03.27 02:22:00 -
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You do realize that this will likely have zero effect. They have already made their decision, and this large amount of tears may actually spur them on.
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Barson Cordallas
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Posted - 2011.03.27 02:25:00 -
[26]
/signed
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Chiro San
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Posted - 2011.03.27 02:26:00 -
[27]
signed x2 accts
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Crazzy Timmy
Caldari
Reliables Inc
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.03.27 02:43:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Trina Forrest
/ signed
CCP you are way off the mark. I hope this is a really bad April fools joke by CCP.
Agreed also signed
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Loed Kane
Amarr
Varion Galactic
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.27 02:57:00 -
[29]
singed
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fire elf
Solar Storm
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.03.27 03:04:00 -
[30]
/signed
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ModeratedToSilence
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Posted - 2011.03.27 03:25:00 -
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The constellation I live in is in the 20% so I don't give a ****. All ccp are doing is eliminating the possibility that a 0.0 dominated csm will arise in csm7
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Chris Bartlett
Caldari
C.R.M Productions
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.03.27 03:52:00 -
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****ing /signed. If actually do this i'll have lost the faith in the company i've been slowly rebuilding completely.
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Dunkler Imperator
N.F.H.P.
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.03.27 03:55:00 -
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I support this service and or product.
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Samantha Burns
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Posted - 2011.03.27 04:00:00 -
[34]
/signed
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Night Light
Power and Production
DarkStorm Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.03.27 04:01:00 -
[35]
signed
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Lord MharThorx
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Posted - 2011.03.27 04:03:00 -
[36]
Agreed And Signed....
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Rixiu
The Inuits
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Posted - 2011.03.27 04:20:00 -
[37]
Signed
While I realize what CCP are trying to do, this is not the way. High-sec should not be more profitable than no-sec no matter what the true-sec for a system is.
-1 true sec 0.0 > -0.X no-sec > low-sec > high-sec (it's not that complicated really)
On a related note, the entire true-sec feature is a bit broken and could use an "iteration".
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.27 04:32:00 -
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My next sanctum will be my first but this seems like an extreme change.
Bots/macroers/cheaters are what's wrong with EVE, not sanctums per se.
Now, if you were to remove sanctums from 20% of nullsec and maybe add a 10 minute respawn time, that would be a more reasonable nerf. But I don't see what the urgency to nerf is when you haven't dealt properly with bots/macroers/cheaters yet to see what results that effort will have.
Of course, if the data shows that non-macroing non-bots are making truly sick ISK farming sanctums, then I'm ok in theory with you doing something. But I doubt you have the data to support that conclusion and even if you do your 'fix' is far too extreme.
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Aeronwen Carys
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Posted - 2011.03.27 05:03:00 -
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The only people I see here are the cry-moar nullsec whinebears who are going to have to actually fight for what they've got instead of napping with every single corp and alliance within 50 jumps.
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gunnar aztek
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.27 05:04:00 -
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/signed!
/fwi increase!
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Marconus Orion
S.E.G.W.A.Y.
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Posted - 2011.03.27 05:27:00 -
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Edited by: Marconus Orion on 27/03/2011 05:28:09
If you don't like the space your in, go take some better space. If it is occupied by blues, tell them to share it. That is what friends are for.
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2011.03.27 06:29:00 -
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CCP made a mistake improving 100% of space.
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AshleyMB
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Posted - 2011.03.27 06:29:00 -
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/signed
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Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.03.27 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Marconus Orion
Edited by: Marconus Orion on 27/03/2011 05:28:09
If you don't like the space your in, go take some better space. If it is occupied by blues, tell them to share it. That is what friends are for.
You'll notice that the Northern Coalition is well represented here. If this goes through, many of them will be locked into ****ty space with blues all around. This would be a huge blow to the north, thus, anger.
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QFX
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Posted - 2011.03.27 06:38:00 -
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Edited by: QFX on 27/03/2011 06:39:37
signed ofc
what a stupid bull****,.. if this happens, 2 of my accounts will be deactivated for sure.
Originally by: Marconus Orion
Edited by: Marconus Orion on 27/03/2011 05:28:09
If you don't like the space your in, go take some better space. If it is occupied by blues, tell them to share it. That is what friends are for.
you have no idea of what you're talking about, there wont be enough sanctums/havens for everyone you noob.
get back into station
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2011.03.27 07:18:00 -
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Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 27/03/2011 07:21:10
lol "waaahh we can't sit on ass and farm"
0.0 has gone stale. This can be nothing but good.
Originally by: qfx
you have no idea of what you're talking about, there wont be enough sanctums/havens for everyone you noob.
THERE WONT BE ENOUGH FOR EVERYBODY!!! WE DIDN"T LISTEN!!!
omg you might have to continue fighting to keep good space. next thing you know people will start suggesting 0.0 rotates around staking claim and pvp instead of farming all your carebear self can farm.
i bet dug in isk sellers will be poasting here with their x5 accounts quiting 
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Acki Juc
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2011.03.27 07:23:00 -
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bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2011.03.27 07:35:00 -
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NC in fear of their ISK out of thin air, what a surprise. Your Tech empire isnt enough ?
Maybe Goons will let you rat in Deklein, thats what BFF are for I heard
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.03.27 07:36:00 -
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oh look, a bunch of carebears whining...
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m3rr
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Posted - 2011.03.27 07:48:00 -
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Instead of nerfing the existing anomaly setup, why not just make new anomalies which are better then sanctums which only appear in -.8 and better systems...
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Jita Bloodtear
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Posted - 2011.03.27 08:00:00 -
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Perhaps we could get some more nullsec players in this thread rather than highsec station spinners trying to dictate 0.0 policy without ever setting a foot outside of Concord guaranteed safety. Also for that matter, could we get the very simple realization that nullsec != the NC. The NC is only portion of nullsec, EVERY nullsec alliance will be drastically affected by this.
If this passes, then smaller alliance who somehow do have 0.0 space by the graces of being renters or pets of a larger alliance, their space won't even be worth having. You remove the ability to upgrade space and ONLY the largest alliances will have any chance at wealth. This move is completely contrary to CCP's obsessive romantic ideal of "smaller alliances will live in nullsec!" which is never going to happen under these policies.
As for highsec players, you're jealous that nullsec players make a greater income than you? The distribution of wealth in the game should be tied directly towards risk, where it's nullsec > lowsec > hisec. If you have a problem with mega-alliances and coalitions that make "nullsec too safe", then you should strive to generate game altering rules that break those apart, rather than hurting everyone else. This change is hurting the wrong area.
I'm not even a ratter. I'm a miner. But I know that this is only the first straw in removing all of the Dominion upgrades and tying them directly to security status. Next it'll be the mining belts. You're taking nullsec space and making 80% of it worthless again. All flames aside, this is not the goal that CCP has in mind.
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Ivor Reganold Biggen
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.27 08:02:00 -
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Quick! Sell the ratting carrier and buy more hulks!
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equief
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Posted - 2011.03.27 08:06:00 -
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/ singed
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Hannibal Ord
Minmatar
Hannibals Commando's
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Posted - 2011.03.27 08:11:00 -
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I only use Nullsec ratting for grinding sec, so don't really give a damm.
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muhuh Aihaken
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Posted - 2011.03.27 08:11:00 -
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/signed
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BlackSparrowHawk
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Posted - 2011.03.27 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Spurk
Great idea CCP.
You want nullsec to be "more vibrant and interesting" so you nerf everyones main source of income forcing them to farm longer to replace lost ships.
It's like spitting in the face of logic.
When said "lost ships" are BS's and the like they probably wouldn't have implemented this plan. But when you have recent fleet battles with hundreds of Cap ships and Titans clearly this is something ccp didn't want. I wouldn't be suprised if Cap ships in null were more popular than T1 frigs in empire....Besides the change will encourage more fighting in null which is good. There are so many undercover carebears in null who put up a front that they are init for sov warfare and pvp yet i've seen so many of them no-lifing pve related aspects of the game in null. IMO these sorta carebears should be flushed out...go back to missioning in empire. Oh and i really don't mind bumping this thread because i know it won't affect anything :)
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Zargoth Deon
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Posted - 2011.03.27 10:40:00 -
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primordial ghost
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Posted - 2011.03.27 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: primordial ghost on 27/03/2011 10:45:11
i like the idea cpp
/not signed
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.03.27 10:48:00 -
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/signed
CCP fix what's broken, don't mess up nullsec even more.
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EVE IS DYING RUN TO THE HILLS! WE MIGHT HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS MMO! THEY MIGHT SHOOT AT US WHILE WE ARE BUSY HOLDING HANDS AND FROLICKING! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Kogh Ayon
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Posted - 2011.03.27 10:58:00 -
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Drone regions expressing no pressure
We got most of our systems less than -0.5
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Chec Eu
Gallente
Licentia Ex Vereor
Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.03.27 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: Chec Eu on 27/03/2011 11:05:09
Not signed, I personally think it WILL destabilize the null sec scene. Theres only so long that certain alliances will take the crappy lot they've been given and it will lead to conflict maybe even between corporations.
Maybe it'll even make the big alliances ignore the terribad low trusec space meaning that smaller alliances and corps may be able to take a shot.
I think its also a more real approach, whats the point in having every single system the exact same and how would that even happen!?!.... Lil' bit dull...
Great Idea CCP, maybe this will stop blob fests with many more small scale fights instead.
Also, all those threatening to remove the many accounts from the game, we need less people and when you do quite can I haz your stuff?
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Orkasm
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.03.27 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: Orkasm on 27/03/2011 11:04:35
Signed.
As was discussed at the 0.0 roundtable at Fanfest make 0.0 money making more viable iterate the sov mechanic (lol ccp and iteration) and makeSilos and moon Meners outside pos shields (small roaming gang target - Dont moan that posses are hard to hit with smaller gangs L2FC)
Nerfing Anoms so we have to resort to blob warfare to take these small regions with good truesec is a terribad idea.
Originally by: Chec Eu
Not signed, I personally think it WILL destabilize the null sec scene. Theres only so long that certain alliances will take the crappy lot they've been given and it will lead to conflict maybe even between corporations.
Maybe it'll even make the big alliances ignore the terribad low trusec space meaning that smaller alliances and corps may be able to take a shot.
I think its also a more real approach, whats the point in having every single system the exact same and how would that even happen!?!.... Lil' bit dull...
Great Idea CCP, maybe this will stop blob fests with many more small scale fights instead.
This wont stop blob warfare, we will just all be blobbing smaller targets with more people to take the regions our pilots ned to make ISK.
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.03.27 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Orkasm
Nerfing Anoms so we have to resort to blob warfare to take these small regions with good truesec is a terribad idea.
I guess CCP think there's too much napping and not enough conflict going on.
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Orkasm
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.03.27 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: Orkasm on 27/03/2011 11:06:57
Originally by: Burnharder
Originally by: Orkasm
Nerfing Anoms so we have to resort to blob warfare to take these small regions with good truesec is a terribad idea.
I guess CCP think there's too much napping and not enough conflict going on.
Agreed but makign us blob over small targets that we NEED isnt the way to fix it. and im calling it now, if we have to go back to fighting over Truesec your gonna see alot bigger and alot more frequently. huge unplayable supercaptial fights (Read - o2o)
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.27 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Burnharder
Originally by: Orkasm
Nerfing Anoms so we have to resort to blob warfare to take these small regions with good truesec is a terribad idea.
I guess CCP think there's too much napping and not enough conflict going on.
So they would increase the amount of reasons to form NAPs (Only way you get not completely worthless space now is being in a huge NAP) in order to combat NAPs? Granted sounds kinda like CCP.
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Chec Eu
Gallente
Licentia Ex Vereor
Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.03.27 11:12:00 -
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Edited by: Chec Eu on 27/03/2011 11:12:50
Originally by: Orkasm
This wont stop blob warfare, we will just all be blobbing smaller targets with more people to take the regions our pilots ned to make ISK.
And when you have lots of people in a small area of space farming the sites what happens when party A is running to many sites and party B gets a little annoyed by them taking advantage.
Hopefully they will shoot at each other and cause an internal schism in Alliance C.
People made do without them before dominion, why can't they now? CCP maybe did the wrong thing giving everyone the ability to upgrade their space so that everywhere was the same. Now there's no reason to fight over other peoples space other than perhaps moons or epeen.
I want moar meaningful war/resource wars in my internet space ships 
And less NAPfests.
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DangerosoDavo
Gallente
Stella Contego Security
Stella Stargate Security
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Posted - 2011.03.27 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: DangerosoDavo on 27/03/2011 11:15:30
rofl die sanctum botters die!
this is a great change.
EDIT: most nc will oppose this change as all the pet alliances live in **** sec space :D times are changin.
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Chec Eu
Gallente
Licentia Ex Vereor
Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.03.27 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: DangerosoDavo
rofl die sanctum botters die!
this is a great change.
This also.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.03.27 11:20:00 -
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If this change causes the collapse of all of 0.0 and genocide of catgirls, then they only need to adjust the trusec where sanctums/heavens spawn.
More knobs to tweak is good, not bad, for balance.
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Echionc
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Posted - 2011.03.27 11:38:00 -
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Isis Phoibe
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Posted - 2011.03.27 11:39:00 -
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/ signed
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Aglaia Phoibe
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Posted - 2011.03.27 11:39:00 -
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/ signed
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Drop Dead Sexy
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Posted - 2011.03.27 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Bloodtear
Your nullsec alliance players are about to lose their primary source of income.
hell no, by reading news lately(capital ship amount in fleet fights is way off the roof) I got an idea that null sec is to rich anyways.
NERF income to null sec !!!
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Sensaia
The Wyld Hunt
The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2011.03.27 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Drop Dead Sexy
Originally by: Jita Bloodtear
Your nullsec alliance players are about to lose their primary source of income.
hell no, by reading news lately(capital ship amount in fleet fights is way off the roof) I got an idea that null sec is to rich anyways.
NERF income to null sec !!!
those amounts of ISK are not entirely coming from ratting, u got Moon Goo mixed in to this and also renting fees that support Supers
I personally am not in any sov related space atm but dont agree with the upcoming changes, so
/signed x7
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Frozen Light
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.27 12:00:00 -
[75]
Look at NC *****ing.
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Pahic
Blood Works Inc.
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2011.03.27 12:00:00 -
[76]
/signed
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Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.27 12:02:00 -
[77]
NOT SIGNED
When all you crybears quit, your stuff, i can haz.
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Chanakin Destrago
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Posted - 2011.03.27 12:05:00 -
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Kinda funny that ccp says there isn't enough conflict. The sov map.has changed more times in 2010 than in 2009(aka post anoms) and there's currently a region widesupercap graveyard in geminate....huh definitely no conflicts since dominion.
/signed
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ed jeni
SKULLDOGS
RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.03.27 12:08:00 -
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/Signed
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CCP Navigator
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.27 12:15:00 -
[80]
The proper place for feedback is in CCP Greyscales Blog.
petition threads are not permitted as per rule #12 of the forum rules.
Navigator
Lead Community Representative
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.27 12:34:00 -
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The concept of upgradeable systems via iHubs isn't wrong, I see CCP are sort of getting religion on the 'upper echelons' of level 5 indexes, but reading this, they still miss a key factor, the original *broken* idea of _static_ truesec systems.
One would think, the amount of rats dying and large numbers of people in local should bump up truesec (as players are making it safer for players, less safe for NPCs right?)
Conversely, the lack of players living / ratting in systems / constellations should lower trusec values (rats have less predators).
This *idea* is as old as the 'Predatory-Prey Relationships: The Fox and the Rabbit game'. It is 'player driven' content as well (Hey that stuff sounds cool, oh wait a minute ...).
Its a bit redundant, but I'll say it anyway. Static content isn't player driven. If there were only 5 people playing your game, then it might 'drive' people to want to go invade someone for those resources, but the game is soooo much bigger than that game play style.
The current disease to full out, total hell death mayhem in this game is overpopulation of alliances via political means. You see the 'odd' invasion happen once or twice a year.
That's just not often enough, especially when there is no drive to build an alliance of space holding players to push out the current fat mass, when you can just, I don't know, like .. JOIN them?
Hoppit!
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