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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:57:00 -
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Well? Will CCP ever go public? Wouldn't mind having some of that PLEX dividends paid out quarterely :)
Btw check out AMEX:GMO if you trade :)
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Holy One
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:00:00 -
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but presumably would mind having eve turned in to wow in space.
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Julian Koll
The Kollektive
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:00:00 -
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ccp, please dont
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:02:00 -
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Good lord I hope not! That would be...just...terrible (unless of course all of the shareholders were required to be Eve players as well...that might work out okay).
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:05:00 -
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haven't you been banned from the forums yet?
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: mkmin haven't you been banned from the forums yet?
Stop pretending to work for CCP and a forum Moderator.
That is against the EULA.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Koll ccp, please dont
Pretty much this. If they went public you wouldn't have any more HTFU like silliness, I guarantee it. You'd also end up with WoWEVE. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Julian Koll ccp, please dont
Pretty much this. If they went public you wouldn't have any more HTFU like silliness, I guarantee it. You'd also end up with WoWEVE.
What's wrong with that? WoE is World Of Eve :)
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Julian Koll ccp, please dont
Pretty much this. If they went public you wouldn't have any more HTFU like silliness, I guarantee it. You'd also end up with WoWEVE.
What's wrong with that? WoE is World Of Eve :)
CCP is one of the most unique game design shops in the industry, I'd hate to have that ruined by having to cater to people that only want to see profits. I don't know of another game company that does chessboxing let alone says "****" repeatedly in interviews :P
Going public would suck the life out of CCP, and I like them just the way they are now, and I think they do too. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:15:00 -
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just because they haven't sold shares on any platform you have access to yet doesn't mean they don't have different shareholders (which are of course not all players or employees).
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Cyaxares II just because they haven't sold shares on any platform you have access to yet doesn't mean they don't have different shareholders (which are of course not all players or employees).
I said PUBLIC, not private.
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Qordel
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:17:00 -
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Going public wouldn't make any sense. It offers a quick payoff for executives and everyone else gets screwed. CCP is currently focused on paying their expenses, paying their employees, and producing great games that take what it takes to make them.
Once you go public, you encounter problems like being forced by investors to roll out your games and game content as soon as possible to increase revenue. Being profitable isn't enough. If you made $100m extra last year, you better make $150m extra *this year* or you're no longer the investment darling.
Speculation drives good companies into the ground by putting the focus on the wrong things.
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Teranul
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: Teranul on 27/03/2011 20:22:58 Public companies for creative endeavors never turn out well.
Seriously. If you could give me even ONE example of a company that actually ended up better by going public, lemme know. Kthx
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me me2
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Teranul Edited by: Teranul on 27/03/2011 20:22:58 Public companies for creative endeavors never turn out well.
Seriously. If you could give me even ONE example of a company that actually ended up better by going public, lemme know. Kthx
WoW, it is the most successful MMO on the planet. Not good enough for you?
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Wolfy2449
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Julian Koll ccp, please dont
Pretty much this. If they went public you wouldn't have any more HTFU like silliness, I guarantee it. You'd also end up with WoWEVE.
What's wrong with that? WoE is World Of Eve :)
CCP is one of the most unique game design shops in the industry, I'd hate to have that ruined by having to cater to people that only want to see profits. I don't know of another game company that does chessboxing let alone says "****" repeatedly in interviews :P
Going public would suck the life out of CCP, and I like them just the way they are now, and I think they do too.
This, there are very few "good" companies that dont rely heavily on the psychology of the stupid masses and create very crappy games for stupid masses. Greed is what destroyed most games, but also the stupid humans which are 90% of humanity which causes crap stuff to sell, especially on consoles... Hopefully the stupid masses will move away from pc to portable devices and consoles for pathetic things like facebook and game "entertainment" so this way pc market will become smaller and more quality demanding
Ccp and valve are the only 2 big studios i know that create interesting game with good design and dont only care how to make money(and before anyone says blizzard is just cunning, they dont care about games at all) Signature removed for being not EVE related. Zymurgist |
Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: me me2
WoW, it is the most successful MMO on the planet. Not good enough for you?
I guess if you like mindlessly attacking the same creature hundreds of times in a row waiting for that one certain item to drop is successful, then sure.
There is a reason little kids play WoW. It requires no intellect at all.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: me me2
WoW, it is the most successful MMO on the planet. Not good enough for you?
I guess if you like mindlessly attacking the same creature hundreds of times in a row waiting for that one certain item to drop is successful, then sure.
There is a reason little kids play WoW. It requires no intellect at all.
There is a reason we scam kids in Eve, they have no intellect at all.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: Cyaxares II on 27/03/2011 20:47:01
as an update to my previous post:
In July 2008 CCP had to publish an overview of its finances as part of a bond offering.
Quote: Major Shareholders
At the date of this Prospectus there were 97 shareholders in CCP. The ten largest shareholders owned a total of 97.9% of the CompanyÆs issued share capital.
NP ehf 33.99 Teno Investments S.-.R.L 17.21 Reynir Har=arson 11.37 Arion safnreikningur 5.60 Matthfas Gu=mundsson 3.72 Hilmar Veigar PTtursson 2.82 Novator ehf 2.56 Frosti Sigurj=nsson 2.44 Fri=rik +rn Haraldsson 2.42 Gu=mundur Kristinsson ehf 2.39 Ten largest 84.52 Other 87 shareholders 15.48
NP ehf & Novator ehf belong to Mr. Bjorgolfsson who is broke and has agreed to forward any dividends/proceeds from his CCP shares to a consortium of banks which he owes money.
A little more up-to-date information on CCP shareholders is found here: http://www.dv.is/frettir/2010/10/16/eve-online-malar-gull-fyrir-ccp/ (Google Translate)
The fact that CCP did not issue a dividend does of course imply a strong desire to grow (and puts some pressure on CCP to make sure share value does indeed grow appropriately).
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
There is a reason we scam kids in Eve, they have no intellect at all.
Good point!
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Wolfy2449
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:58:00 -
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Edited by: Wolfy2449 on 27/03/2011 20:58:53
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: me me2
WoW, it is the most successful MMO on the planet. Not good enough for you?
I guess if you like mindlessly attacking the same creature hundreds of times in a row waiting for that one certain item to drop is successful, then sure.
There is a reason little kids play WoW. It requires no intellect at all.
Successful=/=GOOD... Greed bases itself on stupid ppl. 90% humans of world are stupid!!!
WoW might have some slight depth in good combat but 98% of wow players have no idea how to play, they just play to feel better since they all truly know how pathetic they are.
EvE might have a lot more depth than wow but it also works quite similar to the mystery films. it makes the user feel smart but the truth is that it isnt as complicated as it first looks... Plus i have yet to see true strategy. no! strategy doesnt happen in first move aka my combination beats yours. It requires more than just a simple trap, it requires a plan and progression which rarely exist in matches since all that happens is team 1 unleashes his "plan" loadout, team 2 unleashes his "plan" loadout and the winner is usually easily seen from the beginning instead of a true close fight where both players turn the tables often when there is a trap. That or i just havent seen interesting strategies
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: me me2
WoW, it is the most successful MMO on the planet. Not good enough for you?
I guess if you like mindlessly attacking the same creature hundreds of times in a row waiting for that one certain item to drop is successful, then sure.
There is a reason little kids play WoW. It requires no intellect at all.
There is a reason we scam kids in Eve, they have no intellect at all.
Well they deserve it, if they didnt they wouldnt be scammed Signature removed for being not EVE related. Zymurgist |
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Passageway
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.27 21:07:00 -
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Edited by: Passageway on 27/03/2011 21:08:58 Edited by: Passageway on 27/03/2011 21:08:14
Originally by: Wolfy2449
This, there are very few "good" companies that dont rely heavily on the psychology of the stupid masses and create very crappy games for stupid masses. Hopefully the stupid masses will move away from pc to portable devices and consoles for pathetic things like facebook and game "entertainment" so this way pc market will become smaller and more quality demanding
Ccp and valve are the only 2 big studios i know that create interesting game with good design and dont only care how to make money(and before anyone says blizzard is just cunning, they dont care about games at all) There are some small developers too but these are the generally big ones i know
Firstly let me say I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment here. However, please show me a games company which doesn't care about making money. Secondly, look at how much those "pathetic things like facebook" have made and tell me companies won't find that attractive. As a company, those stupid masses are your bottom line.
As for wanting the PC games market to bcome smaller, what sane games company is going to go down that road?
Finally to CCP, please devlop a typing window that shows me what I'm writing instead of making me fecking guess!
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Wolfy2449
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.27 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Passageway Edited by: Passageway on 27/03/2011 21:08:58 Edited by: Passageway on 27/03/2011 21:08:14
Originally by: Wolfy2449
This, there are very few "good" companies that dont rely heavily on the psychology of the stupid masses and create very crappy games for stupid masses. Hopefully the stupid masses will move away from pc to portable devices and consoles for pathetic things like facebook and game "entertainment" so this way pc market will become smaller and more quality demanding
Ccp and valve are the only 2 big studios i know that create interesting game with good design and dont only care how to make money(and before anyone says blizzard is just cunning, they dont care about games at all) There are some small developers too but these are the generally big ones i know
Firstly let me say I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment here. However, please show me a games company which doesn't care about making money. Secondly, look at how much those "pathetic things like facebook" have made and tell me companies won't find that attractive. As a company, those stupid masses are your bottom line.
As for wanting the PC games market to bcome smaller, what sane games company is going to go down that road?
Finally to CCP, please devlop a typing window that shows me what I'm writing instead of making me fecking guess!
I never said that a company didnt care about money, i meant that there are companies who only focus on how they get that money, their games are pathetic and a waste of time yet they sell. Every company wants money but some actually try to get that by giving something good
Well leaving back a market to indie doesnt seem a good idea, publishers can still profit in a pc market even if it small but that would require some effort since the standards would have increased. Of course they will heavily get attached to facebook and consoles for free money but pc market will still exist, and it will still need good games and there will be some profit there which is not a good idea to leave it for indie in a publishers logic Signature removed for being not EVE related. Zymurgist |
Tasha Baxter
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2011.03.27 22:06:00 -
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Will you ever stop posting?
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Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2011.03.27 22:21:00 -
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Yet another masternerdguy err.. miilla thread -- please consider to visit our w-space system, cake will be served immediately. |
Alain Kinsella
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.27 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Qordel Going public wouldn't make any sense. It offers a quick payoff for executives and everyone else gets screwed. CCP is currently focused on paying their expenses, paying their employees, and producing great games that take what it takes to make them.
Once you go public, you encounter problems like being forced by investors to roll out your games and game content as soon as possible to increase revenue. Being profitable isn't enough. If you made $100m extra last year, you better make $150m extra *this year* or you're no longer the investment darling.
Speculation drives good companies into the ground by putting the focus on the wrong things.
Agreed.
This is (usually) the type of argument I used to give to Linden Lab. Unfortunately the downfall of their own 'dark' nature is coming about by other means (In their case, an earlier misguided effort in trying to cater to Corporate clients).
Here, CCP is now trying to cater to a wider audience. I'm not against that, they just need to be careful...
[Grr - I hope the new forum will remove the login timeout.]
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Omega Sunset
Caldari Roughnecks
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Posted - 2011.03.28 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: me me2 WoW, it is the most successful MMO on the planet.
heh yeah and it's not even any good. Many of those players are blizzard fanbois, jumped on the mmo bandwagon with bliz after years of diablo and warcraft games, never even playing an mmo or even liking them. The rest is hypermarketing with image. It's about popularity and highschool homecoming queens. Yes for being public, it's all about money, and the image to get it, not the game.
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.03.28 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Sunset
Originally by: me me2 WoW, it is the most successful MMO on the planet.
heh yeah and it's not even any good. Many of those players are blizzard fanbois, jumped on the mmo bandwagon with bliz after years of diablo and warcraft games, never even playing an mmo or even liking them. The rest is hypermarketing with image. It's about popularity and highschool homecoming queens. Yes for being public, it's all about money, and the image to get it, not the game.
Don't forget the people who are addicted to fantasy and video games (together, not just one or the other).
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Teranul
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Posted - 2011.03.28 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: me me2
WoW, it is the most successful MMO on the planet. Not good enough for you?
Everyone else already said it for me, so I'll just say this: Clearly, your definition of "good" has entirely nothing in common with my own.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.28 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: me me2
Originally by: Teranul Seriously. If you could give me even ONE example of a company that actually ended up better by going public, lemme know. Kthx
WoW, it is the most successful MMO on the planet. Not good enough for you?
When did Blizzard go public? When was WoW released?
More to the point: if CCP went public and the game became more WoW:ish as a result, why wouldn't it insta-fail like all the other attempts to be like WoW?
Right not the last thing you want to do in the MMO market is to be like WoW, for the simple reason that WoW is the best at being WoW (unsurprisingly) and thus they will eat your lunch if you try. Oh, and Blizzard have been remaking the same three games for the last 17 years, so noà they're not particularly creative. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Kiandoshia
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Posted - 2011.03.28 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: Teranul
Originally by: me me2
WoW, it is the most successful MMO on the planet. Not good enough for you?
Everyone else already said it for me, so I'll just say this: Clearly, your definition of "good" has entirely nothing in common with my own.
You may not like it, but youcan't deny that it has paid off.
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.03.28 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Qordel Going public wouldn't make any sense. It offers a quick payoff for executives and everyone else gets screwed.
Not all IPOs work that way. And there is no reason CCP's would either.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
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Wolfy2449
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.28 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kiandoshia
Originally by: Teranul
Originally by: me me2
WoW, it is the most successful MMO on the planet. Not good enough for you?
Everyone else already said it for me, so I'll just say this: Clearly, your definition of "good" has entirely nothing in common with my own.
You may not like it, but youcan't deny that it has paid off.
Facebook crap psychological applications paid of very well...That doesnt mean that they are something more than a pathetic skiners box with no game inside and just a money grabbing application for stupid ppl Profitable design=/= good design. Facebook crap are simply profitable, devs think how they will get moeny and try to find the most effective way and then put it in a theme that will work for their market... Real designers though care for their game because its theirs and they love it and want to improve it Signature removed for being not EVE related. Zymurgist |
Florio
Versatech Co. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.03.28 05:43:00 -
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EVE going public would be the inevitable end of EVE. I've said that on these forums for years (mostly in the "EVE is dying" threads). Let's hope the current owners get their priorities right (and that they're getting enough remuneration).
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Tryptic Photon
Gallente Mad Bads
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Posted - 2011.03.28 06:21:00 -
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A few years ago at GDC I went by the CCP booth at the expo (where they were having a keg party lol). I walked up to Hilmar and said "man whatever you do, don't sell out to EA, Microsoft, or whoever. Eve is great, keep it in the family".
He looked at me nervously like I was a security risk, and gave me the brush-off haha.
But the company I worked for was called Fasa, we made the Mechwarrior series of games. After getting sold to MS, they proceeded to slowly kill Battletech, along with Crimson Skies and some other cool sh*t we were working on. All of it went into their Indiana-Jones-style warehouse where good IP's go to die.
And that is exactly what will happen to Eve if they do the same, for a multitude of reasons.
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Baneken
Gallente The New Knighthood Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.03.28 07:13:00 -
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Edited by: Baneken on 28/03/2011 07:13:28 This problem comes from American corporate law that states that management has to work for the "shareholders best interest" so not for the company's best interest but shareholders. This literally turns into gimme money now! Or we'll sue your ass and sell this crap.
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.03.28 07:47:00 -
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I hope CCP will never go public.
We already have EA. Just look at the garbage they turned Bioware's Dragon age into - and an endless wagon of former good titles before that.
Auditing | Research | 3rd Party | Collateral Holding | EvE RL Charity |
Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar Solar Nexus. -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.03.28 08:07:00 -
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EvE is already going down the path that all of you are *****ing about. Most of their recent decisions and changes have been SOLELY to gain mass subs by trying to appeal to all other player groups. Not only that they are in the process of pushing the plex market through micro-transactions. CCP has already turned their attention away from improving the game to making as much money as they can off of it.
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Wolfy2449
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.28 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha I hope CCP will never go public.
We already have EA. Just look at the garbage they turned Bioware's Dragon age into - and an endless wagon of former good titles before that.
Ea has already destroyed 99999 franchises in the name of profit... Ea/activision/ubisoft(and blizzard, blizzard is simply cunning) are the worst gaming companies, they simply focus on money 100% and dont care about the game at all... I still hate ea for ****ing up cnc franchise and ubisoft failing ruse... Signature removed for being not EVE related. Zymurgist |
Kristina Vanszar
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Posted - 2011.03.28 20:36:00 -
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Short asumption....
Who play eve: *******s whos daily partion of fun is to make someone else day worse, steal, kill and cheat
so
what would happen if ccp goes public........
DO NO DO IT!
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Baneken
Gallente The New Knighthood Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.03.28 21:23:00 -
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currently in EVE you can be an asshat all you like but there are consequences what draws the masses in is being able to be an asshat without consequences and lets face it EVE without risk isn't really all that appealing, sure the game would get a massive amount of players and well after that it would be EVE only in a name and graphics.
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
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Wolfy2449
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.29 02:01:00 -
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Edited by: Wolfy2449 on 29/03/2011 02:01:15 deleted Signature removed for being not EVE related. Zymurgist |
Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.03.29 03:13:00 -
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They already have WoD investors dedicating all their resources to other products so what would be the difference.....
PLEX for shares, maybe with the players being owners they'd forget some of this marketing crap.
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Teranul
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Posted - 2011.03.29 05:02:00 -
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Originally by: Brooks Puuntai EvE is already going down the path that all of you are *****ing about. Most of their recent decisions and changes have been SOLELY to gain mass subs by trying to appeal to all other player groups. Not only that they are in the process of pushing the plex market through micro-transactions. CCP has already turned their attention away from improving the game to making as much money as they can off of it.
The year 2000 called. It wants the tinfoil hats back.
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.03.29 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Wolfy2449 Ea/activision/ubisoft(and blizzard, blizzard is simply cunning)
Just so you know, Activictim and Blizzard are the same company now.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.03.29 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Teranul
Originally by: Brooks Puuntai EvE is already going down the path that all of you are *****ing about. Most of their recent decisions and changes have been SOLELY to gain mass subs by trying to appeal to all other player groups. Not only that they are in the process of pushing the plex market through micro-transactions. CCP has already turned their attention away from improving the game to making as much money as they can off of it.
The year 2000 called. It wants the tinfoil hats back.
* "solely to gain mass subs" = Fact. WoW exodus after the dumb-down was laser focused on by Eve marketing.
* Micro-transactions, PLEX for remap etc. = Fact. Until backlash showed them how out-of-touch they were.
* CCP is focusing on numbers over quality. = Fact. Hilmar himself featured in a video where he proudly runs around the offices telling devs "600k is the new target". Mostly the devs look at him like "wtf man, we're busy here, **** off"
No tin-foil required.
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