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          Lacrimae 
          Gallente Veto. Veto Corp
  
          
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          Edited by: Lacrimae on 27/03/2011 21:50:27 First of all, thanks to both players and CCP for an absolutely mindblowing fanfest experience - having been to all 7 iterations, it's awesome to see what it has grown into. However, I wanted to give a bit of feedback on the organising for both Fanfest and the final party (no, this is not a thread about what was told and not told, simply comments on how things were planned).
  Positive things:
 
 - Hot food outside - in general, food quality had become better over the year, thanks for that!
 
 - Schedule available early
 
 - Queue for registration seemed to work a lot better than previous years
 
 - Clearing TQ between talks. While it sucks to have to leave between presentations if you have a good seat, it does make it more fair.
 
 - No peeshark agent mission. Doesn't exactly need more explanation ;)
 
 
 
  Things which could be improved:
 
 - "Non-smoking path" outside main entrance. I appreciate that smoking is outside only, but you literally had to brave a cloud of smoke when moving outside - including queueing for food or just entering/ exiting venue. This is however just as much an issue with smokers themselves (I know that - used to be one myself :P)
 
 - Less NPCs at the final party! The amount of people let in made it suddenly feel like us geeks were on display and just kind of tolerated, instead of this being a party to celebrate the end of an awesome Fanfest. I miss the days of it being all about celebrating EVE and with EVE related things throughout the night, instead of the teenage tan-fest it turned into.
 
 - Manned wardrobe wanted for final party! It took us 20min to find our stuff, spread over the floor and table behind the coat racks. Loads of people lost stuff. We also had to rescue a girl who was literally getting choked after one of the racks fell on her!
 
 - Slightly more varied music at party. More RoXoR. Last year, you blew our minds with the symphony orchestra playing EVE music for example. Try to mix both rock and electronic bands for "headliners".
 
 
 
 
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          Wollari 
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          I can only support Lacrimaes items.
  :: Party Stuff
  The party felt like a party for 15-18 year old girls to get drunk. I know that CCP's mission was to bring EVE and Icelandic people together, but it was a bit strange. No room to move, a full packed hall, etc. We mostly ended up being outside or in the ex-pvp arena just to relax from the big hall and having fun with the other players.
  I really missed the majority of seating possibilities we had in 2009. It would have been a good addition to had them to the ex-pvp arena for those who don't wanna hear electronic music all the time or just to relax between the headliners.
  :: Fanfest Stuff
  The only thing I had to point out was the fact that I missed the opening ceremony cause of the parallel community/fansite roundtables.
  I really liked the fact that you opened up the upper part of TQ for those who didn't got a seat on the floor.
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          Rognin 
          Minmatar No.Mercy Merciless.
  
          
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            Originally by: Lacrimae Edited by: Lacrimae on 27/03/2011 22:07:26
  Things which could be improved:
 
 - Less NPCs at the final party! The amount of people let in made it suddenly feel like us geeks were on display and just kind of tolerated, instead of this being a party to celebrate the end of an awesome Fanfest. I miss the days of it being all about celebrating EVE and with EVE related things throughout the night, instead of the teenage tan-fest it turned into.
 
 - Manned wardrobe wanted for final party! It took us 20min to find our stuff, spread over the floor and table behind the coat racks. Loads of people lost stuff. We also had to rescue a girl who was literally getting choked after one of the racks fell on her!
 
 
 
 
 
 
  These two points. Although Icelandic women look ****ing great, it felt as if we were intruders. Also the fact that it was jam packed with hardly any seating.
  Other than that, it was my best trips yet!
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          Mashie Saldana 
          Minmatar Veto Corp
  
          
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        Posted - 2011.03.28 00:22:00 -
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          I agree with the points above. In addition to that please use bigger rooms for the presentations and more but smaller rooms for the roundtables. Preferably do each roundtable twice as they always will collide with presentations and it is easier to have a discussion with fewer people around each table.
  Four fanfests and counting here.
 
 
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          Jack DuVal 
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        Posted - 2011.03.28 01:13:00 -
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          Edited by: Jack DuVal on 28/03/2011 01:15:15 Overall, great Fanfest! Will be back next year for more.
  But yeah, party, please fix it. The hour-long gaps of lounge music were annoying. And no matter how hot Icelandic women may be, please revert it to Fanfest-attendees only.
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          Eomar 
          Veto Corp
  
          
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        Posted - 2011.03.28 02:09:00 -
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          +1 agree with lacrimenace.
 
 
  food was definately better, pizza pretty terribad tho ;) im sure jinx will raeg about catering at some point so i'll leave that to him, suffice to say that while I didnt eat (eatins cheatin') the live-wok and burger arrangement was a welcome sight. 
 
  Bar stock and variation was 1 MILLLION times better than previous years, much much love for that <3 <3 <3 <3 keep that up and Eomar will continue to be happy bunny.
 
 
  NPCs in the party was a bit of a downer, I saw many many geeks being drunk, stupid and generally obnoxious but in a friendly and all-encompassing manner. The tone of the evening changed massively towards the end of the night: a lot less banter and amusement and a lot more blatant ****ery. ( I'm saying this with some confidence that anyone who encountered the Veto blob at least had a bit of fun and didnt feel too outraged, offended or intimidated)
  I can understand the need to make some money back, but taking one quite close knit mob with a common interest and adding A.N.OTHER can be troublesome, especially when you take into account EVE having a significant population that do not adhere to social 'norm' and a notable chunk of the extras were clearly from a very distinct group (tanfest was one way of putting it)
  I guess there's some hypocrisy in the 'us and them' approach, but with the huge variation in Fanfest attendees and the notably non-variant blob that descended later on it is worth mentioning.
  make sense??? 
 
  All in all, had a great time, was good to meet old friends and make some new ones, already planning for next one!
 
 
  (will probably attempt to tidy this post up when ive sobered up some ;) )
 
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        Posted - 2011.03.28 15:26:00 -
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          Keep the feedback coming in and also please go here to answer the survey:
  http://fanfest2011.questionpro.com/
 
 
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          Jinx Denton 
          Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp
  
          
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        Posted - 2011.03.28 16:15:00 -
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          Oooooh, a chance for me to be an opinionated ****.
  I'll start by being nice:
  Food was better, thanks to the burgers and wok outside The bar had better variety General organization was far better with regards to conference as a whole All the devs that had presentations or speeches did a very good job
 
  Buuuuut, there was stuff that ground my gears:
  Polar Beer. It's the worst slosh that's brewed in this country. I couldn't drink it and a beerless Jinx is not a nice Jinx. The pizza and inside catering was still a bit ****. General overpricing and awful pizza. No reserved front & centre seats for Veto corp. What the **** was up with that?
 
  The party was a special chapter all by itself. FM Belfast did a good job. So did R÷xx÷R. They entertained the crowd. Then **** hit the fan, the venue filled up with ****s and turned Fanfest to Tanfest. Security was in shambles by then and me and our crew decided to GTFO. Also, dubstep  
  Please CCP. Please do not market our precious fanfest to the Skinka crowd next year. Those *******s are the antithesis to us geeks.
 
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          Jinx Denton 
          Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp
  
          
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        Posted - 2011.03.28 16:17:00 -
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          Also. In that survey. There's no option for Iceland as your country of origin.
  Just thought I'd point that out as a bit silly
 
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          Erestas Drake 
           
  
          
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        Posted - 2011.03.28 16:26:00 -
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          Was organized well and much fun, however a few points.
  Keynote presentations: I can safely say I know more about NVIDEAs marketing now then about the upcoming things in EVE. What was shown there regarding EVE was mostly fluff and in case of the turrets and captains quarters looked more like "oh ****, we need to show at least something, lets make up something fast" with the usual promises that might never come (systemwide asteroids and expanding T3 and so one mentioned 18 months ago for example). Safe to say focus shifted during that time, but this year again there was not much to be considered real announcements or even hard facts for that matter. It definitely didnt "Deliver!".
  Roundtables: - can understand the avenue has limited space and roundtables are "focus groups" but using rooms for around 30 to 40 ppl for "most wanted" topics like large scale warfare,0.0 and DUST was bit of a let down. Transcripts or recordings of roundtables might be nice.
  Party: -Place was packed, which was nice, but needs more quieter areas. Entrance outside and inside was obviously "claimed" by the ppl because of that. -Manned wardrobe. Seriously, searching 30 mins for our stuff kind of crashed it.
  Golden circle tour: -Tour guide on one of the buses was obviously uncomfortable in english. -Some of the locations could have been left out or replaced, the greenhouse was the worst offender, did you have some kind of deal with them to get a cut on anything bought there?
  Otherwise well done, considering going for 3rd time.
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          Meiyang Lee 
          Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
  
          
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        Posted - 2011.03.28 17:06:00 -
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          I'll add my opinions to the lot. 
  Fanfest itself was great, although larger rooms for the round tables will be needed next time, all of them were full in an instant this year. As for the rest, a somewhat larger venue would be nice if you plan to allow for even more players, the promenade and various other areas were packed at all times unless something big was going on in Tranquility.  I rather liked the improved content of the bar, more choice of non-alcoholic drinks and more varried food was awesome to have handy.
  As a rather sensitive eared individual I was getting a skull crushing headache from the music even with a pair of special concert earplugs. 
  Loud music is fine with those earplugs, but you really overdid it with the volume.  Wearing them just cut the noise level down to what a normal concert sounds like without them, in the end I left at around 23:00 with a pounding headache. Not a pleasant experience.  
 
 
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          Shandir 
          Minmatar EVE University Ivy League
  
          
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          Must say that I agree that CCP presents was sickenly lacking in content, and the chat feed of the EVETV stream was pretty upset about it. When you spend over 30 minutes on silly videos (some of which were funny, some of which weren't), and 30 minutes doing an NVidia advert that we're paying to watch, then we're going to feel a bit robbed.
  I get the feeling that CCP has taken the CSMs 'Underpromise, Overdeliver' too far in the underpromise direction, and it feels very much like CCP is afraid to do anything which could be misconstrued as a promise.
  Much of what I've seen so far was great, and I would love to go next year, circumstances willing, but this concept seemed to ebb from every panel and presentation I watched. - Vote Trebor Daehdoow for CSM and Chairman of CSM. Trebor's Campaign Manifesto | 
      
      
      
          
          Eomar 
          Veto Corp
  
          
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        Posted - 2011.03.28 17:21:00 -
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            Originally by: Shandir  it feels very much like CCP is afraid to do anything which could be misconstrued as a promise.
 
 
 
 
  Actually that does have the ring of truth, but for a damn good reason,
 
  every time CCP even hint at doing something, or make a joke about doing something there are a million ****wits instantly forum whining (followed swiftly by a million ****ing trolls encouraging the whining)
 
  They were pretty clear on their vision - and they've indicated pretty clearly the path they intend to follow to achieve it without giving enough rope to hang themselves later on with "waaah you said this and you haven't done it"
 
 
  Seems to be a pretty sensible way of going about it.
  The majority of the presentations seemed to be heading towards a better CCP, not the corporate bull**** they were heading towards with 'excellence' instead back to the old "check out the awesome **** we're up to : this is what were passionate about and we want you to come along with it" there was still some corporate schmooze granted but was not so bad.
 
 
 
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          Grek Forto 
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          Edited by: Grek Forto on 28/03/2011 17:42:35
 
  I actually like the fact that CCP told us that what they are doing takes some time because of various reasons (such as developing Carbon) instead of showing us things that might not ever be in the game. Because even though they showed various new things, they were pretty clear that it was things that are heavily subject to change or re-imagining from what they originally showed.    All in all I feel that the theme of FanFest this year was not "Gallente" (which was all over the venue) but instead "Vision". CCP showed us that in the end, despite all the unwarranted whining (keep in mind, there is good whining too), they love EVE and won't do anything to gamble with its future since they apparently have a very good focus, a vision. It might take time, but it might be worth the wait.   That said, there were some things that could be done slightly different. 
 
 - I like the fact that the next FanFest will be held at the building they are building in downtown Reykjavik (according to Hilmar), though probably because that would spare me bus ride (with crazy drivers!). 
 
 
 - More tables to sit down by in between sessions of presentations and whatnot would also be nice.
   
 - Some people have mentioned the wardrobe issue too. Even though my friend and I had no problem finding out clothes, I'd imagine most people had. Not nice.
 
 
  Can't think of much else right now, but if I do I'll post it here.  
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          Merkus Letifer 
          Gallente Everset Dropbears Fidelas Constans
  
          
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          Edited by: Merkus Letifer on 28/03/2011 18:16:27 Edited by: Merkus Letifer on 28/03/2011 18:11:18 Good positive points. But so many things need improvement.
  I missed it this year, but I went in 2009 and it was awesome!! Not for the amount of content made available to people but for the round-tables, which for me, made ALL the difference. Mass presentations were fun in 2009 but not straight to the point. I gotta say I didn't appreciate the VERY SHORT Q&A session back then, or this year's even shorter versions...it seemed like they didn't want us to ask too many pertinent questions, and when someone did ask them, they would quickly turn into a big laugh with a pointless joke...Needz more professionalism and blunt honesty. CCP is still the best for doing this the way they do, even though there's always room for improvement. (edit: Followed this year's on the live feed)
  I never had the chance to thank the VETO folks for the private party in their secret apartment back in 2009.  This bunch is a lot of fun indeed! Hope to meet again if I can make it next time!! Cheers!
  Merk 07
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          xestria 
           
  
          
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          Best things: Dr Eyjo's presentation (lots of interesting market analysis tied back to real game events) "Feelgood" keynote Devtracks Lots of CCP staff clearly love what they do
  Worst things: Snow and my inappropriate porus footwear
  Perhaps a bit thin on the ground on revelations.
  Many of the roundtables I attended turned into a "will you implement <blahblah>?". 90% of the time <blahblah> was something that would improve their life or harm someone else's. 90% of the answers from CCP were Good idea but no resource/on the list/no. The "Good idea but no resource" was particularly evident in the PVE roundtable, which was quite frustrating to listen to.
  I would have liked roundtables to focus on discussion or presentation on "best practices" in industry, wormholes or whatever. Would have been especially useful for players new to those areas.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          DNSBLACK 
          Gallente Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
  
          
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          Reserving spot to add my 2 cents just got home and still not sober. Lacrimae i want that picture asap and you know the one iam talking about. I will add to this thread later just to dam tired right now.
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          Ibrahas 
          Minmatar EVE University Ivy League
  
          
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          THE GOOD Biggest surprise to me was the economic presentation. Doctor Eyjo has to enjoy his work, lots of enthusiasm there.
  Liked how the que flowed quickly on day 1.
  Good selection of food at the venue and the price was not the normal con robbery.
  THE BAD Bigger round table areas for some of the more popular topic, some of the ones filled up to quickly.
  DidnÆt notice the number of Non-EVE people at the party will blame that on the gang that was so much fun to party with.
 
 
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          Jovan Geldon 
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          Edited by: Jovan Geldon on 28/03/2011 22:17:36 I pretty much agree with everything that has been said so far. Especially regarding the party; this is probably the biggest party of the year in Iceland so I wouldn't want it to be some kind of elitist "EvE players only" thing, but there should be a cap on how many rank-and-file Icelanders are let in. I felt that towards the end the atmosphere took a palpable turn for the worse, and there were people kicking off and being separated by security on more than one occasion in the area just outside the dance hall, which is never nice.
  More musical variation would have been good as well; more RoXoR, more Permaband, more Stevie, less "wob wob wob" dubstep  
 
  Also, @ Veto Corp members; Who was that dark-haired beauty in the Guristas uniform with Verone? If that's his girlfriend, he's batting WELL above his average  
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          Senghir 
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          Holy crap. Let me get this straight....
  Girls Teenage Attractive Tanned Out for a good time
  And this made fanfest BAD???? Lol only in a game full of uber geeks could this situation ever be undesirable. But the attendess of fanfest must be some breed of super geek to not only feel a little uncomfortable, but actually hostile towards these people.
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          CCP Punkturis 
           
           
  
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          positive: YOU GUYS!
  Thanks for making fanfest awesome for me! I had so much fun hanging out with/chatting with you all  
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          Tsumei Meyren 
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          I thoroughly loved the entire event, but I do agree with most of Lacrimae's points... Especially considering the party at the end, I dressed up a little for that, wore a dress and everything, and then upon arrival at the event I was surprised to see that I was probably the most underdressed person in existance apart from all the guys..
  It was weird I suppose, not that I mind people who don't play eve, but there's such a thing as moderation when it comes to inviting people to a party that is more or less for nerds :P I suppose the only good part was that I wasn't the stalked one for that one night.
  - OH. And TRASHCANS.
  We need ****ing trashcans, I was punched in an intimate area by a guy who tripped over a bottle of smirnoff, and it still hurts. The first drink I had, I literally left the party area to throw away, at the end of the party it was hard to walk without stepping on something, not to mention dance. -------------------------------------------------------- Creative Cookie Procuring [Girl.] Are recruiting! | 
      
      
      
          
          Effortless Breeze 
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          The only thing that really bothered me was the Nvidia commercial during CCP Presents. If I wanted to look at graphs showing the evolution of Nvidia chipsets, I would have Googled them. You didn't need to take all that time out of one of your most important talks to sell Nvidia products.
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          Eomar 
          Veto Corp
  
          
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            Originally by: Senghir Holy crap. Let me get this straight....
  Girls Teenage Attractive Tanned Out for a good time
  And this made fanfest BAD???? Lol only in a game full of uber geeks could this situation ever be undesirable. But the attendess of fanfest must be some breed of super geek to not only feel a little uncomfortable, but actually hostile towards these people.
  Wow :)
 
 
  protip: wasnt one of the geeks being thrown into the back of the police car.
  Hostility wasn't coming from the fanfest attendees...
 
  and yeah pretty girls are nice, in fact Reykjavic is rammed to the rooftops with them and heading downtown to get hunted by them is always a pleasure, sadly wherever you find pretty girls you frequently get hopped up ****s causing hassle, not so much of a problem in a nightclub when you can leave and/or watch them get a hiding by the bouncers..
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          This was my first fanfest and overall i was very impressed, both with what CCP did and with the community in general. I have to say, for a game full of the biggest scammers, liers, backstabers and a-holes... everyone there was really nice :)
 
  I enjoyed all the presentations, although i have to say 1 or 2 of the devs didn't seem to be able to control the room in the round tables to allow proper discussion, and it was left to the community to settle the room in order to have everybody heard.
  The food outside was good (though a little undercooked due to the size of the queue), but the food inside was a little bit more expensive.
  bottles of water A++++  excellent choice, probably kept a lot of people from getting ill.
  Keynote -  lacked some solid content, but what was shown was very good. Oh, and we get it, you guys are BFF with Nvidia, but please, next year dont turn the keynote into a sales pitch for a sponsor.
  Blue Lagoon was great, and the fact a dev turned up to ask for feedback on the fanfest was nice.
  smoking outside the entrance right next to the food wasn't clever.
  releasing dev blogs about "important" (and ******ed) 0.0 changes while a majority of the 0.0 leaders were at fanfest with out decent internet... you werent really thinking there were you?
  Party at the top of the world, started pretty well, but as soon as the local kids started barging in they kind of took over and a majority of eve players were pushed out.
  some where SECURE to leave your coats.
  They are just some little things i can think of right now, i really had a great time, and im sure i will still attend next year :)
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          Sgt Napalm 
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            Originally by: Lacrimae Edited by: Lacrimae on 27/03/2011 22:07:26 First of all, thanks to both players and CCP for an absolutely mindblowing fanfest experience - having been to all 7 iterations, 
  Positive things:
 
 - Hot food outside - in general, food quality had become a lot better over the years, thanks for that!
 
 
 
 
 
 
  I remember eating plain white rice during Fanfest 06 when I flew a set of Rex's with you.  Hahaha....
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          Myxx 
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          the good: almost everything, loved watching the boxing on the stream the bad: Nvidia had too much stage time. less corporate bull**** please, thanks. --
   Originally by: CCP Explorer (and if you guys would also stop using Drakes it would be really appreciated, kthxbye).
 
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            Originally by: Myxx the good: almost everything, loved watching the boxing on the stream the bad: Nvidia had too much stage time. less corporate bull**** please, thanks.
 
 
  Yeah, I had my wife watch it, now she wants to go to fanfest when we can actually afford it lol. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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          Ryan Sheppard 
           
  
          
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          Just wanted to get my 2ISK in here and say that i disagree with the hate-on of the big party. I loved the fact that the locals were invited and i think it was a great turnout. Makes it cool that they are willing to come out to a nerd fest and turn it into a great party! I for one had a blast and experienced 0 hostility from anyone... and i spent most of my time right in the middle of the floor! Thanks a lot CCP and i hope i can make it again next year!
  Shep.
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          Jovan Geldon 
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          Edited by: Jovan Geldon on 28/03/2011 23:17:44
   Originally by: CCP Punkturis positive: YOU GUYS!
  Thanks for making fanfest awesome for me! I had so much fun hanging out with/chatting with you all  
 
 
  Your name makes me think that you might be one of hot female devs with facial piercings and bright neon green dreadlocks...confirm/deny?  
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