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Yakov Pavlov
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Posted - 2011.05.25 21:26:00 -
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Thanks for bumping this thread showing CCP's abject disregard of customer feedback.
Promise to keep it up?
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.05.25 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Planck Seeing as I got some free time lets have some fun with this
Originally by: Cearain
A)Yeah I was very enthusiastic at first thinking there would be allot of exciting fights etc. But it seems ccp is only concerned about large alliance and corp stuff that I really donÆt have time for. I have rl friends and family to socialize with, and I am not really interested in investing time to make friends over the internet. IÆm not saying there is anything wrong with that. ItÆs just I am just not interested. IÆm not interested in 90% facebook with 10% spaceships. Look at many of the large alliance leaders. Very little fighting in spaceships û mostly facebook. It seems that is what CCP wants. ItÆs their game but thatÆs not for me.
first, bitter vet detected Again, eve is what you make of it. Although they have added some social tools they haven't taken anything away from low sec because they haven't changed it lol. You get on a high horse saying you have friends so you can't play eve? That just makes you look like an a**. And they have added a lot to the overall spaceship aspect, just not anything extreme since the pirate hull buff. But w/e, if you a bitter vet you came on the forums to vent, so vent away.
ôBitter vetö you know I never heard that term before I played eve. I have played many sports and games (although not mmos) and never heard that term. I just googled it and my first page is full of eve references!!! Why do you think that is? Let me suggest that many people recognize the great combat mechanics of this game. These include but are not limited to turret tracking, missile velocity, optimal range, warp mechanics, sig radius, and how all the modules can work together to make an interesting fits, how different ships can work together to make a great gang etc. But the way the other eve mechanics work none of this matters at all, itÆs just blob blob blob blob. It doesnÆt matter how you fit your ship your just gonna blob or get blobbed. Many newbs who join this game have someone else fit their ship for them then they fly and blob people. I did that myself and it was fun û for a while.
What has ccp done to improve small gang pvp since FW came out? You are right that plexes are a great way to get good fights. Yet the system needs to be tweaked or reworked to be truly playable yet they refuse to do it.
I am sorry if you think I am an ass just because I would rather develop friendships in person rather than over the internet. I donÆt mean there is anything wrong with having friends over the internet. ItÆs just not a goal for me. w/e
Originally by: Karl Planck
You said FW pvp was meaningless. Its not, or at least its not any different than 90% of pvp in eve, which i would think most people don't find meaningless. Going to singularity is just to test your skills, but causes no pain, thus no fun very quickly. As far as finding fights quickly, sounds and looks by the shape of your KB that you need to modify your strategy.
Looking at your killboard I am not sure you are one to be giving advise on strategies but IÆm up for new strategies. What do you do, and how many quality fights do you get in per hour of play?
-Cearain
Make fw pvp not pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1 |
Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.05.25 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Planck
The reason the population is so small is because of the pvp you dork. In a recent Game Informer article an author wrote about the values of Rift over WOW. EVE was brought up as an example of a game where you just get griefed to death and can't have any fun. This is just one example, and people don't have to pew pew in this game to have fun, but the pew pew is the reason that scares most people away, not the social aspect. .
Did you call me a dork??? Why I oughttaà.!! I have to say I think the reason more people donÆt play eve is because itÆs pretty boring to warp around for hours and find nothing that will or should fight you or you should fight. But thatÆs just my opinion. Plenty of people play pvp mmos. But whatever believe what you want.
Originally by: Karl Planck
Saying its bad is an opinion and you know it. I know a lot of people on the minnie side of FW get a lot of enjoyment from the RP side of 'liberating' systems from their former oppressors. Personally, I enjoying being able to use the FW plex's, even more so when the NPC's are on my side. This is a GREAT way to get better fights by being able to limit what in a fleet can come after you.
That being said of course it, along with other things could be modified to be even better, no doubt. There has been a lot of suggestions, some on this thread, about changes to make it better.
BTW, some level of irony to the amount you talk of having a life and not being able to be bothered with the social aspects of eve and writing an lengthy response of the forums, just sayin
Of course itÆs my opinion. I might suggest it is also the opinion of so many people that have played this game there was actually a term coined for us. ôbitter vetsö
What you say about plexes is true. I agree they are a good way to get good fights. I used to use them for that all the time. But I can sit in plexes for hours in very busy systems like amamake and auga and kourmonen and no one other than blobs will come in. Yes the mechanics have to be improved. I have my own post in assembly hall. I can show you posts from 3 years ago asking for changes to improve it. Anyone in fw lately knows its very rare to find someone who cares about plexing û because as it currently exists itÆs boring.
I think the game could be great if they improved it. But realistically that is not going to happen for at least another year. Right now the game is really slow and pretty boring. So I am going to let my subscription run out and see if they ever do fix it.
I post allot, I think CCP did allot of things great- like ship fitings and battle mechanics for solo and small gangs. But unfortunately they do other things that make these great aspects irrelevant. I would love for ccp to fix this situation so I post allot about it. I suppose in the hour it took me to respond to you I could have played eve and had about a 50% chance of getting a single decent pvp fight. But one good fight every two hours just doesnÆt cut it for me.
-Cearain
Make fw pvp not pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1 |
Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.05.25 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Planck Yakov Pavlov, you are pretty much dead on I would say with where I stand on this. And you are also correct that my stance is more dismissive of the problem. However that is different than the devs being dismissive. I can't do anything about the game being changed and I am pretty sure that CCP knows we would like change..
Thats just it, I don't think they believe players want quality small group spaceship pvp. They have done absolutely nothing since fw to create mechanics to bring that about. FW would be the obvious choice to foster small scale pvp. Yet its completely off the charts! No one even showed up at the round table!! I think CCP is losing faith in the ship combat mechanics they created.
They are reaching out to new and different things instead of working with the strengths of the game - like the fun that people have in small scale pvp.
-Cearain
Make fw pvp not pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1 |
Yakov Pavlov
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Posted - 2011.05.25 21:48:00 -
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Honestly I don't think it's a matter of losing faith. I think CCP has lost competence .. that or Eve has grown way beyond their ability to respond accordingly. In part, I think that is due to their ineptly piling half-completed feature atop one another for years on end. Looking at the 0.0 changes and mission agent changes, I think they're trying to cut down on the complexity for their own sake. Suppose time will tell if they have the ability to get the bull by the horns.
But I'll not dispute that they're either willfully or ineptly ignoring the problems of FW and rather hoping it quietly goes away. Missing the roundtable after people flew to Iceland was a sign of bungling ineptitude.
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.05.25 22:23:00 -
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Well I'm really not down on ccp. Again I don't think someone should have flown to iceland to find out about fw developments when ccp said a year ago they wouldn't work on it for 18 months.
I think CCP has made a game that is great for new players for about 2 years of play. I do think they could make it a great game for people to play indefinitely - like other great classic games such as chess checkers poker etc. But they haven't. Eve is really not that great to play after about 2 years.
People can cry bitter vet all you want but there is a reason for it.
I think your right they need to develop what they have. I would also say they need to develop and capitalize on the *strengths* of the game. You can't polish a turd and continueing to work on PI and isn't really going to keep players longer.
One huge strength that they never seemed to capitalize on is small scale pvp. FW is the obvious way to foster small scale pvp yet it's ignored.
-Cearain
Make fw pvp not pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1 |
Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.05.26 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Planck But you are DEAD wrong if you think there aren't a ton of those plexes to run.
This is part of the problem with FW.
People who play it for the few hours a night the mechanic functions see a completely different game in plexing to those who wake up after they've stopped respawning.
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Yakov Pavlov
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Posted - 2011.05.26 02:07:00 -
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Color me shocked, shocked I say! that the fanboy who admittedly blows off any criticism of FW downplays the problems with the Plexing mechanic.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.05.26 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Yakov Pavlov Color me shocked, shocked I say! that the fanboy who admittedly blows off any criticism of FW downplays the problems with the Plexing mechanic.
The mechanic works, just the code need a bug fix to make the plex respawn properly. Currently the bug causes PvP plexing only work for 3 or so hours after downtime.
This being such a small issue is part of what makes it so ****ing ******ed that CCP can't get off their ****ing ass and fix it.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.05.27 06:59:00 -
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Lot of new complaints last night, back to the top.
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Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.05.27 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Lot of new complaints last night, back to the top.
Good to see people getting involved and leaving comments - keep them coming people...
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Bengal Bob
Royal Order of Security Specialists
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Posted - 2011.05.27 14:07:00 -
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Would love to see answers as well as more comments
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Yakov Pavlov
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Posted - 2011.05.27 14:09:00 -
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Hear hear ... its been 2 months CCP .. can't figure out a way to be a man and tell us to f-off? I know you're just not that into us .. but at least say so.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.05.27 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Yakov Pavlov
But I'll not dispute that they're either willfully or ineptly ignoring the problems of FW and rather hoping it quietly goes away. Missing the roundtable after people flew to Iceland was a sign of bungling ineptitude.
I can tell you one thing, insulting the developers of this game will do absolutely nothing to make things go faster or how you want them. If you're really this angry, get off the forums and stop giving them money. Nothing irritates me more than people who keep paying for a product than raging about how awful it is. You have a choice whether to be here.
This is coming from a guy who really wants FW to improve with CCP help. I'd love to hear their answers to our questions, and I'm frustrated with lack of even a brief heads up as to what they are thinking. A few sentence, ballpark idea of whether they'll revisit it at all could silence the debate and allow players to move on.
That being said, being a complete jerkface only makes the problem worse. If I were the developers, I'd put the requests made by a-holes at the bottom of my priority list.
CCP's Devs and GM's have said in interviews one of the hardest things emotionally is to put your heart and soul into making an incredible game, knowing you can't please everyone, and than have the player base just rip you up and down for every mistake. This kind of disrespectful emo-rage works against the rest of us in the FW community who want to see real change, by painting us as a small sub-group of whiny children who aren't getting what they want when they want. I'd probably ignore Faction Warfare too if this was the overarching vibe I got from those players demanding all other plans be dropped for their niche. I hope for all of our sake they see pilots like you as the exception and not the rule.
CCP still needs to answer the FW community. I wont dispute that. But seriously, grow the eff up for Chribba's sake and either make your requests respectful, STFU and wait patiently, or GTFO.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.05.28 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Yakov Pavlov But I'll not dispute that they're either willfully or ineptly ignoring the problems of FW.
It can no longer be put down to simple lack of knowledge. Willful disregard for factional warfare is now the only possible explanation. They have been told what the problems are with factional warfare repeatedly and at length. They have had the problems with factional warfare demonstrated to them first-hand. Threads reporting factional warfare issues on the appropriate forums are habitually locked and hidden. So not only are CCP refusing to fix the problem, they are attempting to remove evidence that people are aware of it.
The only possible remaining explanation, no matter how insane it sounds, is that CCP is intentionally trying to make factional warfare unplayable. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Lost InCogneto
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.05.28 11:14:00 -
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Good to see this thread is still alive.
Latest update ........................
Posted - 2011.05.12 17:37:00 - [35]
CCP Manifest
****************************** FACTIONAL WARFARE STUFF
There were many questions. Many. I will be working with Soundwave to get answers for you (not a new effort), yet there will be a slight delay though as right now he's headed to a player meetup in Moscow with CCP Daishi, Molock and Spitfire. Please bear with us. ******************************
Seems like the only question on the - Devs answer your every question - Answer thread - that didnt get answered.
Will be looking forward to it when it comes :)
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.05.29 02:15:00 -
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So when does the 18 months of no Eve dev finish?
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Lord Meriak
Amarr Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.05.30 07:40:00 -
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Still alive and still looking for answer's :D
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yani dumyat
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.05.30 11:16:00 -
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These 2 quotes are bang on the money - like real $ subs to CCP money.
Originally by: Liorah
To read the Chronicles, you'd think that the Empires were really at war.
To play the game, "War? What's war?"
Originally by: Cearain
Everyday Eve loses players who can no longer find any decent small gang pvp. Small gang pvp is a real strength of eve. Yet ccp doesn't play to that strength û they completely ignore it!
Having just returned from a few months away one of the first people I spoke to was a friend in the Gal militia, he was hot dropping with 4 carriers and a nyx and telling me that he had got 50 kills to no losses last week, I think Bengal Bob put it well:
Originally by: Bengal Bob
Part of the problem is us. Long gone are the days when we would gleefully x up in general militia channel and happily leeroy off in our 100 man frig blobs to capture plexes and get into haphazard fights with the WT.
Those days are gone. Nowadays, when a new player joins, or even a 0.0 corp filled with fleetsheep, it is like throwing a baby into a pedo pool. Everyone queues up to get in on the new free kills and after a while they are hiding in station doing nothing, or in a sb doing missions. Then we complain there is no one to kill.
Regardless if CCP are paying attention or not FW has grown up. The problems of blobs, hot drops and massive skill gaps between old and new players affect the whole of eve, ultimately it forces non blobbers and mission runners to use cloaked ships or fast frigates because there's no other way to survive.
This isn't actually a bad thing, it's simply a consequence of having meaningful pvp with permanent losses, it also keeps a lot of the teenage rif raf out of the game which is fine by me.
Would I like to see FW get some love, definitely. Do I think that changing plex timers and NPC's will solve FW's problems, not so much. The game is what it is so if you want it to be fun then fly cheap, fly solo and die often.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.05.30 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Chris Fierce To what length will you abuse our patience, Catiline?
I can't resist posting in a thread that quotes Cicero
"Quo usque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra?"
On topic : I loved FW and played it avidly for a year before giving up because its many flaws were ignored by CCP. I'd love to see improvements made and giving it another go.
----- Malevolence. is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.05.31 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
CCP's Devs and GM's have said in interviews one of the hardest things emotionally is to put your heart and soul into making an incredible game, knowing you can't please everyone, and than have the player base just rip you up and down for every mistake.
Problem is we believe in the feature, believe it is awesome. CCP believe they hate it and factions within wish it had never been released.
CCP have no confidence in FW. Players have much confidence in FW.
The issue isn't that we're telling them it's "****". We're telling them it's awesome and just needs ***TINY*** bug fixes. Their response is to ignore any FW issue.
Since 2008.
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Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.05.31 12:34:00 -
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Quote: REMEMBER NOUVELLE ROUVENOR!
You posted this on Facebook CCP - so you obviously remember that FW is still around
http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=jul02
So when are we going to here about what is going to be done to 1) Fix the issues/bugs 2) Deliver some of that excellence we have been hoping for??? (i.e. FW Iteration)
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Bengal Bob
Royal Order of Security Specialists
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Posted - 2011.06.02 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Har Harrison
Quote: REMEMBER NOUVELLE ROUVENOR!
You posted this on Facebook CCP - so you obviously remember that FW is still around
http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=jul02
So when are we going to here about what is going to be done to 1) Fix the issues/bugs 2) Deliver some of that excellence we have been hoping for??? (i.e. FW Iteration)
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Bodham
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Posted - 2011.06.03 18:25:00 -
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Bump for the most neglected and underdeveloped yet potentially best feature of EVE. CCP please realise this is the PvP fix that WILL GET YOU MORE PLAYERS THAN ANY OTHER - PvP that is actually accessible to players who can't fly supercarriers or T3s or even afford them.
Do you need someone to stab you in the face to make you realise how juicy this low-hanging fruit is?
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Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.06.04 06:51:00 -
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Looks like this needs a bump again CCP...
There are lots of fix FW threads popping up - mostly asking for things like the RR <-5 giving faction loss bug and RR spawn plexing to be addressed as well as some chagnes to make the pvp mean something, rather then FW being an isk farm for carebears...
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TheMahdi
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Posted - 2011.06.05 15:16:00 -
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Stop ignoring this, it's been a while since last update.
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Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.06.06 02:15:00 -
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Seriously - what do we have to do to get some feedback here???
Start reporting our own posts so a human HAS to look at this thread? Or some other activity that probably violates the EULA in some way just to get some attention???
CCP - We just want some constructive dialogue to lay down a road map for some progress in FW... Your playerbase is crying out for it to support small scale PvP.
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Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.06.06 02:46:00 -
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Just to be fair to Manifest, I did find this post
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1508537&page=2#35
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****************************** FACTIONAL WARFARE STUFF
There were many questions. Many. I will be working with Soundwave to get answers for you (not a new effort), yet there will be a slight delay though as right now he's headed to a player meetup in Moscow with CCP Daishi, Molock and Spitfire. Please bear with us.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.07 00:26:00 -
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For years I've watched friends have to quit this game. Calling CCP a scam and pointing out that they specialise in Crowd Control.
I never really believed it, saw enough movement and enough good stuff from CCP that I believed they actually enjoyed making their game.
I was just wrong and telling myself garbage to justify buying into this hoax.
This thread has become a good example of exactly how CCP do business. Generally bull**** is the primary tool in their arsenel.
This issue has experienced the usual progression of how they kill an issue, simply keep promising things to keep them subscribed as long as possible. Sooner or later they'll quit and the issue will go away, but not before a profit has been made from the disatisfied customer.
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.06.07 15:34:00 -
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And again to be fair CCP said they would not work on fw until December of 2011. So of course there is not much to say. They posted a dev blog explaining how they assigned all the devs to incarna and dust and such.
I guess I would be content with information like - "We plan on setting up a FW dev team of *7* devs in January 2012 and hope to have FW improvements by summer 2012."
Here is the post where I outline when CCP said they were going to stop working on FW for 18 months. It also links the dev blog that verified indeed no devs were working on it because incarna was taking up the lionÆs share of resources.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1519684
-Cearain
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