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SayTT
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Posted - 2011.03.30 01:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
You must be in a crap system.
My (as in this character, not my other ones)corp has many mining ops each month. We go around to certain systems, and most of the time we need 2 orcas to deal with the ore amounts (plus 3 haulers to help take stuff back to our manufacturing system). One belt can easily fill an orca, especially if you are willing to mine stuff other than the most valuable ores.
Well, you seem to miss the point. If ONE belt only holds the cargo of ONE orca, then you are not in a rich system. A solo miner with an orca alt can easelly mine one of "your" belts under a short period of time. So yea... but anyways thats not the discussion here. I'm talking about the potential gain of a coordinated mining op in HS, done under real circumstances. They are not beeing able to yield a good enough margine compared to the masses doing it solo.
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Aura Kindle
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.03.30 05:53:00 -
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Edited by: Aura Kindle on 30/03/2011 05:54:43
As some suggest, move to a better mining constilation and use a asteroid scanner, this will help you determin if the current belt has enough ore to make it worth while mining or to move onto the next one.
Sounds like you mining in already depleated systems.
Edit : i'd like a link of the dev blog or info of CCP nerfing asteroid minerals if you have it, because i dont remember them ever doing that
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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
Peregrine Nation
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Posted - 2011.03.30 05:56:00 -
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I read trough most of the posts and many of them seemed to have misunderstood that you only used ONE type or ore,not entire belt. So say that you are mining...pyrox...Considering that it has a lower spawn rate,and its in general mined more for the nox in empire people will mine this constantly. Especially in systems where a lot of players operate.
Now you also has to take into consideration (unless this has been changed) that its random what ore will spawn. If you popp a pyrox roid,it can just as well respawn as veld,and the other way around.Actually from what i remember at one point it was a requierment that you mined all the crappy stuff in 0.0 to make the chanses of goodies to respawn higher. Again note the can have changed,or it might have been one of the classic eve myths.
Now if they did indeed nerf the amounts you get from higher ore in empire..GOOD. I remember that people where frowning on mining omber because even veld would be more profitable. That simple isent right in my opinion. Im sorry to say that i stopped mining a long time ago because after a couple of years i simply got bored of it and now its just a social thing 
But now incase i was the one misunderstanding you and you mean mining entire belts and not filling an Orca...You should find a new system. We had a mining op where we stripped two belts not to long ago. It was on a sunday so plenty of time for other people to have mined and stripped the systems. But two belts got us somewhere between 7-10 orca loads. You just have to find systems that are further away from trade hubs and appear less attractive. A system with 5 belts can contain more ore then a system with 20 simply because mining corps normally don't set their operations there.
Im sorry to say that i doubt CCP will change anything,unless mayby nerf ore even more to try and push the prices back up to make mining profitable again,so for now...try to have fun and try to not obsess to much over what might or might not be broken in eve
Regards,
Phoibe Enterprises
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Aura Kindle
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.03.30 06:06:00 -
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well said.
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Centri Sixx
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Posted - 2011.03.30 06:23:00 -
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Yeah, EVE is a PvP game, so then why can't mining ships at least defend themselves in PvP? Why is the PvE side so defenseless?
You want them in lowsec, okay, but at least boost their buffer and give them non-strip miner utility slots so they can do some RR and possibly repel solo pirates in groups. Or go the other way and boost their agility enough so they at least have a chance to evac out of a belt.
You can't just nerf and expect players to make themselves targets in paper thin ships for not much more money than before.
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Lors Dornick
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.30 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Aura Kindle
Edited by: Aura Kindle on 30/03/2011 05:54:43
As some suggest, move to a better mining constilation and use a asteroid scanner, this will help you determin if the current belt has enough ore to make it worth while mining or to move onto the next one.
Sounds like you mining in already depleated systems.
Edit : i'd like a link of the dev blog or info of CCP nerfing asteroid minerals if you have it, because i dont remember them ever doing that
This very much seems to be the problem.
As for the change/nerf in the way that roids reseed it happened quite some time ago.
What changed was that not all rocks was reseeded at the same time, nor to full size every time.
So if you constantly farm the same belt(s), over and over again, esp in an active system, you end up with seriously ****ty rocks.
The solution is of course to spread the operation out over more belts/systems and stay away from systems already overloaded with other miners.
One trick is to find one or more .5 or .6 systems with a decent belt count and not too many resident miners. Then create a little schedule so you don't keep hammering the same belts every day.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2011.03.30 09:45:00 -
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As far as i can remember, rock size in highsec belts did¦nt change dramatically over the last two years. If you can mine out a belt with one orca load, you are simply in the wrong system. You need to find a better location, for your mining ops. Of course, when 6 hulks are mining a belt just for veld, those roids will deplete fast.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.30 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: NightCrawler 85
Now you also has to take into consideration (unless this has been changed) that its random what ore will spawn.
What? When did they implement that? Granted, it was a couple of years ago I last mined, but I haven't seen any patch notes that indicate they've implemented random spawning.
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Egor SMERSH
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Posted - 2011.03.30 12:20:00 -
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I have a 3 account mining corporation in high-sector space. I can tell you thier are plenty of minerals if you map them out correctly. I get bored to death before I run out of minerals to fill my Orca.
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Rina Maas
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.30 14:52:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Centri Sixx
Yeah, EVE is a PvP game, so then why can't mining ships at least defend themselves in PvP? Why is the PvE side so defenseless?
You want them in lowsec, okay, but at least boost their buffer and give them non-strip miner utility slots so they can do some RR and possibly repel solo pirates in groups. Or go the other way and boost their agility enough so they at least have a chance to evac out of a belt.
You can't just nerf and expect players to make themselves targets in paper thin ships for not much more money than before.
Get some friends.
Escorts really help... something that selfish miners, such as yourself, are not willing to do.
A "mining" ship will never beat or hold off a correctly fitted pvp ship (exception being the Ore capital ship which is actually pretty nasty for station games).
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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
Peregrine Nation
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Posted - 2011.03.30 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: NightCrawler 85
Now you also has to take into consideration (unless this has been changed) that its random what ore will spawn.
What? When did they implement that? Granted, it was a couple of years ago I last mined, but I haven't seen any patch notes that indicate they've implemented random spawning.
Its been years since it was commonly used (years as in even before this character was created so 05-06) which is why i dont know weather or not it has been changed over the years. The only thing i managed to find directly related to this conversation was this link http://eve.wikia.com/wiki/Farming_asteroids but from the forums posts i saw it appears like no one really knows exactly how things work,exept that certain ores respawn once a day,others twice a week. Sorry i cant give you something more specific 
Phoibe Enterprises
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Jenkx
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Posted - 2011.03.31 20:15:00 -
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CCP:
Can you please answer my questions?
Respectfully,
Jenkx
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.31 20:48:00 -
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Advice, don't /petition this, all it will do is annoy the GMs and cause other people with legitimate problems they had to /petition about, that actually need assistance, to get pushed further down the queue.
GMs are there to deal with problems that can't be solved in game by the player...ie account problems, stuff that is actually broken and not designed to be the way it is etc...they are not there to listen to someone whine about high sec. All whining should be directed to the forums.
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Jenkx
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Posted - 2011.03.31 23:14:00 -
[44]
Thank you for your opinion
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hennep
Institute for the Harmonious Development of Man
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Posted - 2011.03.31 23:47:00 -
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It seems that there are a lot of very stupid miners out there, OP is one or a poor troll.
Roids have a mechanic..... ( and your poor findings are part of it)
learn it......... ( utilise it)
Profit........
OP may have had a point well over a year ago when trit was 4.20 a unit, but with the introduction of the newer mechanic which made ores more plentiful and trit halved its price. This mechanic has not changed since its introduction so look to other factor that infulence the mechanics for your drop in the last 6-8 months.
It should also be noted that there are roids everywhere, you just got to haz the thinkings to get em.
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Dharh
Gallente
Ace Adventure Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.01 00:07:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Jenkx
I really hope that I have not came across an rude to anyone. The point of this post is try to get an answer from CCP and on top of that try to return the mineral amount content of highsec to what it was.
Not gonna happen. Shouldn't happen. You need to actively search for grav sites. Spend time finding systems with good asteroids. Not all systems are the same. You need to do the work to get the reward. Prior to the changes it was too bloody easy.
Note: I spend alot of time playing my high sec miner.
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Batelle
do you
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Posted - 2011.04.01 00:14:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Zhou Wuwang
A misconception among folks who stay in Empire space is that 0.0 is unsafe and requires a lot of pvp. Far from it. Null sec can be some of the safest space to live in Eve.
This cannot be emphasized enough
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Makcis
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Posted - 2011.04.01 16:31:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Dharh
Originally by: Jenkx
I really hope that I have not came across an rude to anyone. The point of this post is try to get an answer from CCP and on top of that try to return the mineral amount content of highsec to what it was.
Not gonna happen. Shouldn't happen. You need to actively search for grav sites. Spend time finding systems with good asteroids. Not all systems are the same. You need to do the work to get the reward. Prior to the changes it was too bloody easy.
Note: I spend alot of time playing my high sec miner.
I'm curious, Dharh, why do you not want it to happen?
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2011.04.01 16:46:00 -
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How to have a fruitful and successful experience if you dislike PvP:
DO:
-- Develop a love for spreadsheets and min/maxing rather than making well-rounded characters
-- Prepare to focus on a specific role in tandem with guildmates with no fear of having to take over another if someone drops
DO NOT:
-- Adopt a "casual" mindset where you're just playing around without a real schedule
-- Experiment/establish methods empirically when it's possible to calculate
-- play EVE Online, Warhammer: Age of Reckoning, Dark Age of Camelot, or World of Warcraft (PVP server)
-- Make useless posts in the forums of the above games whining that they're PvP-focused when their PvP focus is almost the only thing stressed by the advertising for the server and you've been explicitly told about it about 50 times before you even subscribe.
-- Pod people under a week old in 1.0-sec systems
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.04.01 16:50:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Rina Maas
Escorts really help...
Seriously, I'm not spending $250 an hour + opening a nice bottle of Rijoca only to have her play Eve with me.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.01 17:22:00 -
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Mining has improved in hisec in the last 18 months. I really don't understand what your problem with mining is.
I can find any amount of any hisec mineral I want any time I want with almost no risk of losing any ship or product.
I don't really want to, I.E. hisec mining sucks, but I have verified in the past week that the roids are still there.
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Golanik
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Posted - 2011.04.01 20:13:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Burnharder
Originally by: Rina Maas
Escorts really help...
Seriously, I'm not spending $250 an hour + opening a nice bottle of Rijoca only to have her play Eve with me.
$250? Man, you're really setting the bar low. Go full Spitzer and get a classy escort at $1600 an hour and learn what it means to truly live.
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Cory Sopapilla
Minmatar
Kiroshi Group
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Posted - 2011.04.01 20:19:00 -
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Are you cherry picking just one ore type for an orca to be able to hold several belts?
If you're serious, just look at dot-lan, find you a nice 0.5 system with low activity and a station, and you'll be able to get several orca loads per belt. You might want to look at probing to find you a nice Gravimetric or Ladar site.
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O Wren
Caldari
Argonauts of BAcon
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Posted - 2011.04.01 20:32:00 -
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If this isn't a troll maybe belts run out faster because your skills have improved? I came back after a few months off and the belts I used to cook are overrun, so moved my op to another system and blammo tons o rocks. And I don't see any difference in what I make in day now than I did this time last year. I'm a fluffy and don't pvp at all myself but I think this game wouldn't be as fun if you took out the element of CERTAIN DOOM. Imagine how much fun it would be if at your rl job once in a while some random turd just runs in with a bat and smashes your comp and all your days work and yells "Haha a$$rod" and runs out.
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Thor79
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.01 20:53:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Batelle
Originally by: Zhou Wuwang
A misconception among folks who stay in Empire space is that 0.0 is unsafe and requires a lot of pvp. Far from it. Null sec can be some of the safest space to live in Eve.
This cannot be emphasized enough
Exactly. I played, for most of the time I've been playing EVE, in high sec, solo. Then I decided to go out and find a corp based in Null sec. I just wanted to experience the side of EVE I hadn't touched yet. I found one and moved out to null sec (was my first time in null), and I couldn't be happier as a miner. Sure I lost a couple ships, mostly due to me learning to live in null, but I've found null sec to be MUCH safer than high sec...especially these days. High sec ganking seems like it's at an all time high. In high sec it's difficult to tell who your enemies are. At least in null sec, it's extremely easy, and thus much easier to steer clear of them.
My recommendation is get the hell out of high sec and get into a null sec alliance. It's more exciting to play as a miner not only because of the risk involved, but also the MUCH greater rewards. I'm even starting to get into pvp a bit with an alt (my own choosing). I'm still learning, and dabbling in it though. I'm enjoying EVE more than I ever have before. I had two accounts when I moved out to null, now I'm up to 3, with more to follow. |
Jenkx
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Posted - 2011.04.04 00:37:00 -
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CCP,
Can I get an answer, please?
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Jenkx
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Posted - 2011.04.28 04:24:00 -
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CCP,
Can I please get an answer?
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Sophia Love
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Posted - 2011.04.28 04:35:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Kara Sharalien
First, accept that you are in the wrong game. Eve is a massivly multiplayer PvP game.
Funny, I don't see anything that says that in the "What is EVE" section of the FAQ. FAQ - What is EVE Online. Interesting how people can see what they want in things.
That said, anyone who has played this game for any amount of time knows that it's all about PVP. OP, maybe you should petition CCP to fix the FAQ
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.04.28 04:36:00 -
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They won't answer you. Ever. They rarely even look on this forum unless someone reports a post...
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.28 07:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jenkx
CCP,
Can I please get an answer?
I am not allowed to answer on behalf of CCP. However, from my experience and long time observations as an EVE player, and considering how I started with EVE ... *insert wall of text* ... am I able to answer your question for you: shut up and play.
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