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Jenkx	Posted - 2011.03.29 21:53:00 - [1] CCP: I attempted to have my dislike addressed by a gm but when my questions were not answered, I felt its time to bring my opinion to open forum in the chance that my questions will get answered. Here is the bulk of my closed petition: This game seems to be directed by public opinion so in my growing fustration I want to get my opinion out. I hope there are many more that agree with me to the point that you will change, correction return the game back to a previous standards. I will planning to post this message in the forums as well as petition. I hope to be able to have a conversation with a GM about this to understand why the game was changed as well as drum up support for change to Eve. To help understand my point of view, let me tell a small bit about myself and my experience with Eve. I was invited to play Eve by a friend at work, who happen to part of a mining corp, after playing a several MMOs this was my first scifi based. In one of my discussions with my friend about joining is the "requirement to raid and pvp", he explained due to how complex the game was that did not exist in Eve. That was the main selling point for me to join this game. My first exposure to Eve was mining, since I love doing tradeskills it seems like a natural start and even to this day I love to mine. From 1.0 belts to 0.0 and WH I've mined in the all. But what I really enjoyed was the high sec belts. I could relax and focus on how to mine more effient. This led to me purchasing a second account so I spend more time mining. The changes that CCP made to high sec astroids, amount of minerals they yield, at first I really didn't see a change but I have noticed more and more that it takes several belts of mining one type mineral to fill an orca. Is it the intent of CCP to throw all players to low/null sec after a certain point? I personally detest PvP greatly, and make all strides that I can to avoid doing and recieving attacks. I have lost ships and been podded so I know what's it like to be killed by another player. I'm not asking to adjust pvp rules or punish pvp more severally but I do ask can you make high sec worth mining like it was less than 6 to 8 months ago. That way when I get ganked by someone that thinks it's funny to destroy other folks stuff for no reason I can at least afford another mining ship so i can get back to mining. Most minerals for manufactoring are generated from high sec, so to penalize high sec miners because we like to work with some security is rediculous. On top of that you're more likely to have a high sec miner with multiple accounts versus a pvper, so why should I pay more or pay at all to have someone come up to kill me in a game?[b]If possible could I get an answer to why CCP is forcing miners to low/null sec and is it possible to readjust mineral content of high sec? Respectfully, Jenkx
Kara Sharalien Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.03.29 21:58:00 - [2] Edited by: Kara Sharalien on 29/03/2011 21:58:30 Originally by: Jenkx Is it the intent of CCP to throw all players to low/null sec after a certain point? Yes. Originally by: Jenkx I personally detest PvP greatly, and make all strides that I can to avoid doing and recieving attacks. Then you need to do something, and then make a decision. First, accept that you are in the wrong game. Eve is a massivly multiplayer PvP game. If you want to solo PvE and nothing else, you probably shouldn't be here. Now, choose one of the following options: 1. Stay in highsec and solo PvE at lower rewards 2. Go to low/null sec and learn to like PvP 3. Go to low/null sec and pay someone to PvP for you
Horizonist Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.03.29 22:00:00 - [3] As a miner by profession (though I am about to leave mining for now by the looks of it), I fail to see the problem. Hisec is teeming with roids, if you have to go several belts to fill an Orca, you are simply in the wrong place - find a different system (the 20+ belts ones are bound to be overrun), move around, hisec is enormous.
sableye principle of motion	Posted - 2011.03.29 22:08:00 - [4] of course if you hammer the same system it will get lower, just move system and then come back and complain when there is nothing left to mine I remember a few years back they never generated new asteroids for a week or so (bug) and you could still find new asteroids by travelling a few jumps and the forums filled up with people saying nothing was left. ----------------------------------------- View The North Star! In All Its Glory!!
Jenkx	Posted - 2011.03.29 22:12:00 - [5] Kara, If it was only a PVP game there would be no highsec, but you are missing the point of my message. It is not to mess with pvp rules at all, it's to return highsec back to what it use to be.
Horizonist Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.03.29 22:16:00 - [6] Originally by: Jenkx Kara, If it was only a PVP game there would be no highsec, but you are missing the point of my message. It is not to mess with pvp rules at all, it's to return highsec back to what it use to be. I believe your reasoning is wrong - hisec is not in any way meant to insulate people from PvP. If that was the intended feature, there would be a full weapons lock in hisec. As it is, the only difference, PvP wise, between hisec, low and nullsec is that you will get concorded for killing somebody in hisec. PvP is still very much present.
Jenkx	Posted - 2011.03.29 22:20:00 - [7] Good point =D
Lothros Andastar Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.29 22:22:00 - [8] You also fail to grasp that not all PvP is Ships Pewpewing each other.
Zhou Wuwang Federal Laboratories	Posted - 2011.03.29 22:27:00 - [9] Edited by: Zhou Wuwang on 29/03/2011 22:26:58 A misconception among folks who stay in Empire space is that 0.0 is unsafe and requires a lot of pvp. Far from it. Null sec can be some of the safest space to live in Eve. All major alliances need industrial characters and mining for the heavy industry that takes place in null sec. You (and your friend(s)) need to find a better corporation.
Jenkx	Posted - 2011.03.29 22:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Lothros Andastar You also fail to grasp that not all PvP is Ships Pewpewing each other. My use of PvP is blanket term for players destroying other players ships,pos, podds and griefing for what ever reason the person decides to do it. But again, this post has nothing to do with PvPing, its about high sec mineral content and the other questions I'm trying to get answered by CCP.

Burnharder	Posted - 2011.03.29 22:39:00 - [11] Edited by: Burnharder on 29/03/2011 22:41:08 Not sure if this is a troll or not . My experience with mining high sec (0.5+) is that certain systems have belts that are pretty full, and that it would take 4 or 5 rigged and expanded Orca loads to totally clear out (of all roids). Actually there are plenty out there if you look. I occasionally take my Orca and Hulks for a spin and strip an entire belt. There's really no point in mining .7 or over, of course. You also sometimes get large gravs pop up that will give you 3 or 4 Orca-loads of low sec roids like Hemorphite (not often, but you do get them). So you know, if you're a high-sec miner, I suggest you get surveying, move away from hubs/high traffic systems/missioning systems and go someplace that does not get a large amount of traffic. The best systems are 0.5/0.6 without stations. Not many people bother mining those, so they're often full.
Joe Skellington Minmatar JOKAS Industries Matari Legion	Posted - 2011.03.29 22:44:00 - [12] Originally by: Burnharder Edited by: Burnharder on 29/03/2011 22:41:08 My experience with mining high sec (0.5+) is that certain systems have belts that are pretty full, and that it would take 4 or 5 rigged and expanded Orca loads to totally clear out (of all roids). It's true in a 0.6 system as well.
Jenkx	Posted - 2011.03.29 22:48:00 - [13] If CCP only decreased the mineral content of the systems I currently mine, then I would have no problem moving or even suggesting to my corp CEO about all of moving. But CCP decreased all the mineral of content of all high sec systems. So the problem is ever where.
Burnharder	Posted - 2011.03.29 22:51:00 - [14] Originally by: Jenkx If CCP only decreased the mineral content of the systems I currently mine, then I would have no problem moving or even suggesting to my corp CEO about all of moving. But CCP decreased all the mineral of content of all high sec systems. So the problem is ever where. I still don't understand your problem. There are plenty of asteroids out there!
randomname4me	Posted - 2011.03.29 22:52:00 - [15] PVP is ingrained into every aspect of this game. Mining in high security space is no exception. the lack of good asteroids in the area you live is just an indication that you have been beaten at PVP. Find a new area or find a new game. Petition\|Successful\|Reimbursement\|Lag Pick 3
Mister Smithington	Posted - 2011.03.29 22:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Jenkx CCP: I fear all risk. I know nothing about pvp. I think I'm special. I think I should be catered to. Why aren't the bars of my baby pen made of solid gold? Respectfully, Jenkx fyp
NinjaSpud	Posted - 2011.03.29 23:01:00 - [17] Finding a good higsec spot should be your test now. Find a system where you can frequently scan down kernite and spud gravity sites. I've done this before and found it to be the only real way to make money mining in high sec.
Doddy Excidium.	Posted - 2011.03.29 23:01:00 - [18] er stop mining in mined out systems?
Jenkx	Posted - 2011.03.29 23:02:00 - [19] I really hope that I have not came across an rude to anyone. The point of this post is try to get an answer from CCP and on top of that try to return the mineral amount content of highsec to what it was.
Burnharder	Posted - 2011.03.29 23:08:00 - [20] But you haven't answered my points... or are you having trouble finding good botting sites?

SayTT	Posted - 2011.03.29 23:09:00 - [21] I would like to have a more complex system when mining to eliminate macros, thus giving a higher gain to the ones who do put in the time to support the market. I think ccp should spend some time working on ships/mods that improve mining aswell One thing I would like to see aswell would be grav sites thats HARD to scan in LS/HS and well guarded, but holds great ore finds. Seeing as most of the lowsec ore's are not worth the trouble atm. Things like that would probobly even out the ISK/task thing, seeing as you pointed out that a dedicated lowsec mission runner or just a pirate pvp;er can make more money than a miner with no sweat. The best thing would be to make mining profitable to players who are in a dedicated corp, who work togather. It should mirror the rest of eve; one guy running a lvl 4 mission should get ~ the same as a lone miner at high sp/mining gear. A corp dedicated to mining shouls be able to makes as much as a group dedicated to pvp/pirate etc.
Sig Sour	Posted - 2011.03.29 23:13:00 - [22] WAR DEC TIMEZ!!!!!
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2011.03.29 23:28:00 - [23] Originally by: Jenkx I really hope that I have not came across an rude to anyone. The point of this post is try to get an answer from CCP and on top of that try to return the mineral amount content of highsec to what it was. I just skimmed through the last few patch's notes... it doesn't look like they nerfed anything with regards to high-sec 'roids (could be wrong about that though). That said, you are aware that the "respawn rate" for asteroids is "dynamic" and that amount of respawned rocks shifts over from "overmined" systems to less mined systems... right? Like others said, change your base of operations to someplace a few systems over... preferably some backwater high-sec system that doesn't see much traffic/is out of the way. _______________________ "Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Jenkx	Posted - 2011.03.29 23:33:00 - [24] Yes, I do know about that. The decrease in mineral content has some months ago.
sableye principle of motion	Posted - 2011.03.29 23:34:00 - [25] Originally by: Jenkx Yes, I do know about that. The decrease in mineral content has some months ago. did it coincide with the time you started raping the system? ----------------------------------------- View The North Star! In All Its Glory!!
Jenkx	Posted - 2011.03.29 23:44:00 - [26] I wish I that accomplished as a miner. No, I had my orca before CCP made the changes.
Nivalis Dhal	Posted - 2011.03.30 00:29:00 - [27] My corp runs mining ops, we pull in three to four orca's worth or ore a day, we do this in 5 neighboring systems with a dedicated hauler, we've never run out of ore, we've never run out of ore, we just monitor what belts we drain and yes we suck those rocks down to less then a pull, and we rotate our belts. It's like crop rotation. Heck I imagine one hulk pilot would be keeping their holds full out of one system. As to multiple accounts not needed for PvP, the Solo PvPer is little more then a target in this game, they make friends or multi-box, just like the miners. Our ops are not one man ops, our orca pilot is also a command ship pilot so they don't suffer in any way being an orca pilot can can do PvP and PvE, yes one of our Hulk pilots is an ALT of our mission running/hauler pilot. So our mining ops only contain one ALT and that person did it because they wanted a mission runner and a dedicated industrialist, not because the game required it. We just found industrialists and grouped up and eating our little chunk of high-sec. Like all MMOs, make friends or multi-box or accept less ISK/Hour. The big sharks in this game do not do it solo. Of course one of our Ex-corp mates who is still friends with our corp, is a massive industrialist, controls a small market, has never mined a day in his life and has a net worth greater then our corp. As to high sec being penalized just learn to rotate your belts like crops and don't try to compete for belts. There is enough ore in enough high sec systems to fuel this game. If another mining op moves in, we just migrate and haul our ore to our base. I think the one thing mining ops need to be successful is dedicated haulers which so many forget about.
SayTT	Posted - 2011.03.30 01:01:00 - [28] Edited by: SayTT on 30/03/2011 01:02:21 Originally by: Nivalis Dhal My corp runs mining ops, we pull in three to four orca's worth or ore a day, we do this in 5 neighboring systems with a dedicated hauler, we've never run out of ore, we've never run out of ore, we just monitor what belts we drain and yes we suck those rocks down to less then a pull, and we rotate our belts. It's like crop rotation. Heck I imagine one hulk pilot would be keeping their holds full out of one system. As to multiple accounts not needed for PvP, the Solo PvPer is little more then a target in this game, they make friends or multi-box, just like the miners. Our ops are not one man ops, our orca pilot is also a command ship pilot so they don't suffer in any way being an orca pilot can can do PvP and PvE, yes one of our Hulk pilots is an ALT of our mission running/hauler pilot. So our mining ops only contain one ALT and that person did it because they wanted a mission runner and a dedicated industrialist, not because the game required it. We just found industrialists and grouped up and eating our little chunk of high-sec. Like all MMOs, make friends or multi-box or accept less ISK/Hour. The big sharks in this game do not do it solo. Of course one of our Ex-corp mates who is still friends with our corp, is a massive industrialist, controls a small market, has never mined a day in his life and has a net worth greater then our corp. As to high sec being penalized just learn to rotate your belts like crops and don't try to compete for belts. There is enough ore in enough high sec systems to fuel this game. If another mining op moves in, we just migrate and haul our ore to our base. I think the one thing mining ops need to be successful is dedicated haulers which so many forget about. Oh well, you seem to present an ideal situation that probobly doesn't exist in the game, just in theory, not in highsec atleast (or your corp have a constilation in hs for your own). You can't monitor and count on your system when the masses of people (the locals) who you do not have control over, mine as they please. A system like this do work "around" the diminishing returns of respawn ore, but only if you are the only actor in the play
Nivalis Dhal	Posted - 2011.03.30 01:18:00 - [29] Originally by: SayTT Edited by: SayTT on 30/03/2011 01:02:21 Oh well, you seem to present an ideal situation that probobly doesn't exist in the game, just in theory, not in highsec atleast (or your corp have a constilation in hs for your own). You can't monitor and count on your system when the masses of people (the locals) who you do not have control over, mine as they please. A system like this do work "around" the diminishing returns of respawn ore, but only if you are the only actor in the play You are right we are not the only people in this dance, but we are in an out of the way place, with 5 systems .5-.7 around our refining hub. Besides our notes we also shoot out a guy in a fast frigate and a survey scanner to book mark warp in spots at belts with rich roids. Trust me my crop takes in that much ore in a day and we've not depleted our systems belts. Belt rotation is like crop rotation and like I say, should another mining op move in (And it takes an op, not a couple of hulk pilots to disrupt us) we just flit out 2 jumps from our refining hub instead of one. Remember the key, "Work smarter not harder."
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.03.30 01:23:00 - [30] You must be in a crap system. My (as in this character, not my other ones)corp has many mining ops each month. We go around to certain systems, and most of the time we need 2 orcas to deal with the ore amounts (plus 3 haulers to help take stuff back to our manufacturing system). One belt can easily fill an orca, especially if you are willing to mine stuff other than the most valuable ores.

SayTT	Posted - 2011.03.30 01:35:00 - [31] Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard You must be in a crap system. My (as in this character, not my other ones)corp has many mining ops each month. We go around to certain systems, and most of the time we need 2 orcas to deal with the ore amounts (plus 3 haulers to help take stuff back to our manufacturing system). One belt can easily fill an orca, especially if you are willing to mine stuff other than the most valuable ores. Well, you seem to miss the point. If ONE belt only holds the cargo of ONE orca, then you are not in a rich system. A solo miner with an orca alt can easelly mine one of "your" belts under a short period of time. So yea... but anyways thats not the discussion here. I'm talking about the potential gain of a coordinated mining op in HS, done under real circumstances. They are not beeing able to yield a good enough margine compared to the masses doing it solo.
Aura Kindle Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2011.03.30 05:53:00 - [32] Edited by: Aura Kindle on 30/03/2011 05:54:43 As some suggest, move to a better mining constilation and use a asteroid scanner, this will help you determin if the current belt has enough ore to make it worth while mining or to move onto the next one. Sounds like you mining in already depleated systems. Edit : i'd like a link of the dev blog or info of CCP nerfing asteroid minerals if you have it, because i dont remember them ever doing that
NightCrawler 85 Phoibe Enterprises Peregrine Nation	Posted - 2011.03.30 05:56:00 - [33] I read trough most of the posts and many of them seemed to have misunderstood that you only used ONE type or ore,not entire belt. So say that you are mining...pyrox...Considering that it has a lower spawn rate,and its in general mined more for the nox in empire people will mine this constantly. Especially in systems where a lot of players operate. Now you also has to take into consideration (unless this has been changed) that its random what ore will spawn. If you popp a pyrox roid,it can just as well respawn as veld,and the other way around.Actually from what i remember at one point it was a requierment that you mined all the crappy stuff in 0.0 to make the chanses of goodies to respawn higher. Again note the can have changed,or it might have been one of the classic eve myths. Now if they did indeed nerf the amounts you get from higher ore in empire..GOOD. I remember that people where frowning on mining omber because even veld would be more profitable. That simple isent right in my opinion. Im sorry to say that i stopped mining a long time ago because after a couple of years i simply got bored of it and now its just a social thing But now incase i was the one misunderstanding you and you mean mining entire belts and not filling an Orca...You should find a new system. We had a mining op where we stripped two belts not to long ago. It was on a sunday so plenty of time for other people to have mined and stripped the systems. But two belts got us somewhere between 7-10 orca loads. You just have to find systems that are further away from trade hubs and appear less attractive. A system with 5 belts can contain more ore then a system with 20 simply because mining corps normally don't set their operations there. Im sorry to say that i doubt CCP will change anything,unless mayby nerf ore even more to try and push the prices back up to make mining profitable again,so for now...try to have fun and try to not obsess to much over what might or might not be broken in eve Regards, Phoibe Enterprises
Aura Kindle Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2011.03.30 06:06:00 - [34] well said.
Centri Sixx	Posted - 2011.03.30 06:23:00 - [35] Yeah, EVE is a PvP game, so then why can't mining ships at least defend themselves in PvP? Why is the PvE side so defenseless? You want them in lowsec, okay, but at least boost their buffer and give them non-strip miner utility slots so they can do some RR and possibly repel solo pirates in groups. Or go the other way and boost their agility enough so they at least have a chance to evac out of a belt. You can't just nerf and expect players to make themselves targets in paper thin ships for not much more money than before.
Lors Dornick Caldari	Posted - 2011.03.30 07:01:00 - [36] Originally by: Aura Kindle Edited by: Aura Kindle on 30/03/2011 05:54:43 As some suggest, move to a better mining constilation and use a asteroid scanner, this will help you determin if the current belt has enough ore to make it worth while mining or to move onto the next one. Sounds like you mining in already depleated systems. Edit : i'd like a link of the dev blog or info of CCP nerfing asteroid minerals if you have it, because i dont remember them ever doing that This very much seems to be the problem. As for the change/nerf in the way that roids reseed it happened quite some time ago. What changed was that not all rocks was reseeded at the same time, nor to full size every time. So if you constantly farm the same belt(s), over and over again, esp in an active system, you end up with seriously ****ty rocks. The solution is of course to spread the operation out over more belts/systems and stay away from systems already overloaded with other miners. One trick is to find one or more .5 or .6 systems with a decent belt count and not too many resident miners. Then create a little schedule so you don't keep hammering the same belts every day. // Lors
My Postman	Posted - 2011.03.30 09:45:00 - [37] As far as i can remember, rock size in highsec belts did¦nt change dramatically over the last two years. If you can mine out a belt with one orca load, you are simply in the wrong system. You need to find a better location, for your mining ops. Of course, when 6 hulks are mining a belt just for veld, those roids will deplete fast.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.03.30 11:22:00 - [38] Originally by: NightCrawler 85 Now you also has to take into consideration (unless this has been changed) that its random what ore will spawn. What? When did they implement that? Granted, it was a couple of years ago I last mined, but I haven't seen any patch notes that indicate they've implemented random spawning. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Egor SMERSH	Posted - 2011.03.30 12:20:00 - [39] I have a 3 account mining corporation in high-sector space. I can tell you thier are plenty of minerals if you map them out correctly. I get bored to death before I run out of minerals to fill my Orca.
Rina Maas Caldari	Posted - 2011.03.30 14:52:00 - [40] Originally by: Centri Sixx Yeah, EVE is a PvP game, so then why can't mining ships at least defend themselves in PvP? Why is the PvE side so defenseless? You want them in lowsec, okay, but at least boost their buffer and give them non-strip miner utility slots so they can do some RR and possibly repel solo pirates in groups. Or go the other way and boost their agility enough so they at least have a chance to evac out of a belt. You can't just nerf and expect players to make themselves targets in paper thin ships for not much more money than before. Get some friends. Escorts really help... something that selfish miners, such as yourself, are not willing to do. A "mining" ship will never beat or hold off a correctly fitted pvp ship (exception being the Ore capital ship which is actually pretty nasty for station games).

NightCrawler 85 Phoibe Enterprises Peregrine Nation	Posted - 2011.03.30 18:18:00 - [41] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: NightCrawler 85 Now you also has to take into consideration (unless this has been changed) that its random what ore will spawn. What? When did they implement that? Granted, it was a couple of years ago I last mined, but I haven't seen any patch notes that indicate they've implemented random spawning. Its been years since it was commonly used (years as in even before this character was created so 05-06) which is why i dont know weather or not it has been changed over the years. The only thing i managed to find directly related to this conversation was this link http://eve.wikia.com/wiki/Farming_asteroids but from the forums posts i saw it appears like no one really knows exactly how things work,exept that certain ores respawn once a day,others twice a week. Sorry i cant give you something more specific Phoibe Enterprises
Jenkx	Posted - 2011.03.31 20:15:00 - [42] CCP: Can you please answer my questions? Respectfully, Jenkx
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.03.31 20:48:00 - [43] Advice, don't /petition this, all it will do is annoy the GMs and cause other people with legitimate problems they had to /petition about, that actually need assistance, to get pushed further down the queue. GMs are there to deal with problems that can't be solved in game by the player...ie account problems, stuff that is actually broken and not designed to be the way it is etc...they are not there to listen to someone whine about high sec. All whining should be directed to the forums. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Jenkx	Posted - 2011.03.31 23:14:00 - [44] Thank you for your opinion
hennep Institute for the Harmonious Development of Man	Posted - 2011.03.31 23:47:00 - [45] It seems that there are a lot of very stupid miners out there, OP is one or a poor troll. Roids have a mechanic..... ( and your poor findings are part of it) learn it......... ( utilise it) Profit........ OP may have had a point well over a year ago when trit was 4.20 a unit, but with the introduction of the newer mechanic which made ores more plentiful and trit halved its price. This mechanic has not changed since its introduction so look to other factor that infulence the mechanics for your drop in the last 6-8 months. It should also be noted that there are roids everywhere, you just got to haz the thinkings to get em.
Dharh Gallente Ace Adventure Corp	Posted - 2011.04.01 00:07:00 - [46] Originally by: Jenkx I really hope that I have not came across an rude to anyone. The point of this post is try to get an answer from CCP and on top of that try to return the mineral amount content of highsec to what it was. Not gonna happen. Shouldn't happen. You need to actively search for grav sites. Spend time finding systems with good asteroids. Not all systems are the same. You need to do the work to get the reward. Prior to the changes it was too bloody easy. Note: I spend alot of time playing my high sec miner.
Batelle do you	Posted - 2011.04.01 00:14:00 - [47] Originally by: Zhou Wuwang A misconception among folks who stay in Empire space is that 0.0 is unsafe and requires a lot of pvp. Far from it. Null sec can be some of the safest space to live in Eve. This cannot be emphasized enough EC-P8R... You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
Makcis	Posted - 2011.04.01 16:31:00 - [48] Originally by: Dharh Originally by: Jenkx I really hope that I have not came across an rude to anyone. The point of this post is try to get an answer from CCP and on top of that try to return the mineral amount content of highsec to what it was. Not gonna happen. Shouldn't happen. You need to actively search for grav sites. Spend time finding systems with good asteroids. Not all systems are the same. You need to do the work to get the reward. Prior to the changes it was too bloody easy. Note: I spend alot of time playing my high sec miner. I'm curious, Dharh, why do you not want it to happen?
Lost Greybeard	Posted - 2011.04.01 16:46:00 - [49] How to have a fruitful and successful experience if you dislike PvP: DO: -- Develop a love for spreadsheets and min/maxing rather than making well-rounded characters -- Prepare to focus on a specific role in tandem with guildmates with no fear of having to take over another if someone drops DO NOT: -- Adopt a "casual" mindset where you're just playing around without a real schedule -- Experiment/establish methods empirically when it's possible to calculate -- play EVE Online, Warhammer: Age of Reckoning, Dark Age of Camelot, or World of Warcraft (PVP server) -- Make useless posts in the forums of the above games whining that they're PvP-focused when their PvP focus is almost the only thing stressed by the advertising for the server and you've been explicitly told about it about 50 times before you even subscribe. -- Pod people under a week old in 1.0-sec systems --- If you outlaw tautologies, only outlaws will have tautologies. ~Anonymous
Burnharder	Posted - 2011.04.01 16:50:00 - [50] Originally by: Rina Maas Escorts really help... Seriously, I'm not spending $250 an hour + opening a nice bottle of Rijoca only to have her play Eve with me.

Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.01 17:22:00 - [51] Mining has improved in hisec in the last 18 months. I really don't understand what your problem with mining is. I can find any amount of any hisec mineral I want any time I want with almost no risk of losing any ship or product. I don't really want to, I.E. hisec mining sucks, but I have verified in the past week that the roids are still there. .
Golanik	Posted - 2011.04.01 20:13:00 - [52] Originally by: Burnharder Originally by: Rina Maas Escorts really help... Seriously, I'm not spending $250 an hour + opening a nice bottle of Rijoca only to have her play Eve with me. $250? Man, you're really setting the bar low. Go full Spitzer and get a classy escort at $1600 an hour and learn what it means to truly live.
Cory Sopapilla Minmatar Kiroshi Group	Posted - 2011.04.01 20:19:00 - [53] Are you cherry picking just one ore type for an orca to be able to hold several belts? If you're serious, just look at dot-lan, find you a nice 0.5 system with low activity and a station, and you'll be able to get several orca loads per belt. You might want to look at probing to find you a nice Gravimetric or Ladar site.
O Wren Caldari Argonauts of BAcon	Posted - 2011.04.01 20:32:00 - [54] If this isn't a troll maybe belts run out faster because your skills have improved? I came back after a few months off and the belts I used to cook are overrun, so moved my op to another system and blammo tons o rocks. And I don't see any difference in what I make in day now than I did this time last year. I'm a fluffy and don't pvp at all myself but I think this game wouldn't be as fun if you took out the element of CERTAIN DOOM. Imagine how much fun it would be if at your rl job once in a while some random turd just runs in with a bat and smashes your comp and all your days work and yells "Haha a$$rod" and runs out.
Thor79 Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.01 20:53:00 - [55] Originally by: Batelle Originally by: Zhou Wuwang A misconception among folks who stay in Empire space is that 0.0 is unsafe and requires a lot of pvp. Far from it. Null sec can be some of the safest space to live in Eve. This cannot be emphasized enough Exactly. I played, for most of the time I've been playing EVE, in high sec, solo. Then I decided to go out and find a corp based in Null sec. I just wanted to experience the side of EVE I hadn't touched yet. I found one and moved out to null sec (was my first time in null), and I couldn't be happier as a miner. Sure I lost a couple ships, mostly due to me learning to live in null, but I've found null sec to be MUCH safer than high sec...especially these days. High sec ganking seems like it's at an all time high. In high sec it's difficult to tell who your enemies are. At least in null sec, it's extremely easy, and thus much easier to steer clear of them. My recommendation is get the hell out of high sec and get into a null sec alliance. It's more exciting to play as a miner not only because of the risk involved, but also the MUCH greater rewards. I'm even starting to get into pvp a bit with an alt (my own choosing). I'm still learning, and dabbling in it though. I'm enjoying EVE more than I ever have before. I had two accounts when I moved out to null, now I'm up to 3, with more to follow.
Jenkx	Posted - 2011.04.04 00:37:00 - [56] CCP, Can I get an answer, please?
Jenkx	Posted - 2011.04.28 04:24:00 - [57] CCP, Can I please get an answer?
Sophia Love	Posted - 2011.04.28 04:35:00 - [58] Originally by: Kara Sharalien First, accept that you are in the wrong game. Eve is a massivly multiplayer PvP game. Funny, I don't see anything that says that in the "What is EVE" section of the FAQ. FAQ - What is EVE Online. Interesting how people can see what they want in things. That said, anyone who has played this game for any amount of time knows that it's all about PVP. OP, maybe you should petition CCP to fix the FAQ
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.04.28 04:36:00 - [59] They won't answer you. Ever. They rarely even look on this forum unless someone reports a post...
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.04.28 07:52:00 - [60] Originally by: Jenkx CCP, Can I please get an answer? I am not allowed to answer on behalf of CCP. However, from my experience and long time observations as an EVE player, and considering how I started with EVE ... insert wall of text ... am I able to answer your question for you: shut up and play. --

Glyken Touchon Independent Alchemists	Posted - 2011.04.28 08:00:00 - [61] Can I ask the sec rating & region where you are mining? It sounds like your system is too busy. Find an out of the way system. Or even give your system a break for a couple of weeks, and see the difference it can make. When I mine, its in a 0.7, and I can normally fill an orca with kernite from each of the larger belts. Of course, then it has to hauled to a region with actual market activity.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2011.04.28 08:43:00 - [62] There are an infinite amount of low tier roids available in highsec, one only needs to know where to find it. I've been mining in Rens once and that system has no belts anymore. --------
Rutga Kharne	Posted - 2011.04.28 08:58:00 - [63] Originally by: Kara Sharalien First, accept that you are in the wrong game. Eve is a massivly multiplayer PvP game. If you want to solo PvE and nothing else, you probably shouldn't be here. Now, choose one of the following options: 1. Stay in highsec and solo PvE at lower rewards 2. Go to low/null sec and learn to like PvP 3. Go to low/null sec and pay someone to PvP for you Accept that you are in the wrong game... Conceit beyond belief. Eve is a massively multiplayer PvP game... Wrong. Eve is whatever game you want it to be because that's the way it's designed. Yes, it does lean towards the null/low sec PvP lifestyle, but it doesn't compel you do take part. You should have an option: 4. Go to low/null sec and PvE with extreme caution.
Rex Garvin	Posted - 2011.04.28 12:07:00 - [64] I have a 3 char mining corp that uses an Orca and 2 Hulks to mine astroids. You are correct about the lack of minerals but I have got arround this by mapping out all astroids in 2 systems. This means finding out thier contents at different hours of the day and every day of the week. If you are a true miner this will not bother you but it you are a macro miner I can see where you wont like this!!
Zaqar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2011.04.28 12:16:00 - [65] this is why legitimate petitions take forever -- Originally by: Brian Ballsack please learn to use english if your gonna post
Montgomery Crabapple	Posted - 2011.04.28 12:17:00 - [66] Originally by: Rex Garvin I have a 3 char mining corp that uses an Orca and 2 Hulks to mine astroids. You are correct about the lack of minerals but I have got arround this by mapping out all astroids in 2 systems. This means finding out thier contents at different hours of the day and every day of the week. If you are a true miner this will not bother you but it you are a macro miner I can see where you wont like this!! Err, why have you done this? Personally, I just strip the entire belt.
Virtue Maulerant	Posted - 2011.04.28 13:20:00 - [67] Here we go again....You do realise there are hundreds of systems that are hardly mined?Do you know you can move out of the starting systems? Just find a nice and remote 0.5 and there will be more asteroids that you can handle.Common sense not so common.
Jenny Cameron Caldari Ordo Eventus	Posted - 2011.04.28 13:34:00 - [68] Originally by: Virtue Maulerant Here we go again....You do realise there are hundreds of systems that are hardly mined?Do you know you can move out of the starting systems? Just find a nice and remote 0.5 and there will be more asteroids that you can handle.Common sense not so common. Well I haven't mined in ages but I haven't heard of any ore decrease from my silly mining friends .. ^^ I was flying around in a 0.5 system to test my Interceptor on belt rats the other day and to my surprise there was just 4 miners busy mining in 18 belts! It's a bit out of the way but not that far from a trade hub either. ________________* - If you're in favour of a bloodline change please vote in the Assembly Hall in this thread -
Jenkx	Posted - 2011.04.28 15:15:00 - [69] Maybe some do not see a reason to change it back, in that case, please disregard this post. But if you can not understand my opinion hopefully I can explain it in a way that will help: Lets say that CCP kicks in a patch that cuts all damage by half, doubles all types of armor/shield/structure amounts and cuts all status effects in half. So where you was effective solo and in group, now it's a waste a time in soloing and you double the player count to be effective as a fleet use to be. Hopefully CCP will answer my questions, even if it does not change the game I will at least gain understanding.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.28 16:45:00 - [70] Quote: I have noticed more and more that it takes several belts of mining one type mineral to fill an orca. That is an incorrect observation. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.

Makcis	Posted - 2011.05.01 02:57:00 - [71] CCP, Can I get answers please?
Jenkx	Posted - 2011.05.02 12:46:00 - [72] Can I get an answer, please?
Illwill Bill Talu Shaya Talu Shaya Empire	Posted - 2011.05.02 13:54:00 - [73] Find yourself a nice dead-end 0.5 with plenty of belts, and you'll do fine. I've seen miners in dead-end low-sec systems as well. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
Golanik	Posted - 2011.05.02 14:35:00 - [74] Originally by: Jenkx Can I get an answer, please? An answer to what? You got an answer already - go to belts with more rocks, since they're all over the place. You can't get an answer to a question with a faulty premise.
Mr LaForge	Posted - 2011.05.02 14:49:00 - [75] I bet the OP only mines in 1.0 systems.
ITTigerClawIK Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2011.05.02 16:21:00 - [76] as a director of science and industry for my alliance and thus need to keep up to date with any such changes i can safely say that you are wrong sir, there has been no change in miniral values in high sec roids, my alliance does alliance wide mining ops in high sec and belive me a single belt in high sec can still take a long time and MANY MANY Orca loads to deplete, you are probably in an overmined system thus you will need to move or start expanding your horizons and scan down high sec hidden belts. Sig space reclaimed in the name of me -courtesy of Tiggy ([email protected])
Diamond Knights	Posted - 2011.05.02 17:23:00 - [77] OP has been a player for almost two years. Member of the same mining corp (Royal Khanid Industry [R.K.I]) for all but about 1 day of that time (heck he joined this corp one minute after creating character). Of note, the CEO of the corp says they are a C-4 wormhole mining corp. I point this out because I used to work in the same area as this corp is headquartered (Penirgram) and anybody mining in this area (2 jumps from Amarr) should know that it has been stripped heavily over the last year by bots and roving mining gangs. Since you are a wormhole group I would recommend that you get you scanning ship pilots out and look around for the hidden pockets. I have found several in the last week untouched within 5 jumps of Amarr late in the day. If you don't want to go to low sec/0.0 fine, but there is a mechanic in place and it works. It is risk vs reward and I do not see any reason why CCP should be changing it at this time. You've been around long enough to know that answer by now. You can still easily fill up an Ocra or four around here, no problem. The headache is that the roids are all tiny and require constant attention by the mining pilots as well as a hefty dose of math skills, well the ability to divide at least, and be willing to often cycle your lasers.
Jenkx	Posted - 2011.05.04 15:46:00 - [78] CCP: Can I get an answer please?
Jenkx	Posted - 2011.05.17 15:37:00 - [79] CCP Can I get an answer please?
Vaju Katru	Posted - 2011.05.17 15:57:00 - [80] Risk vs Reward. High sec = Low Risk and Low Reward. Its that simple.

Jenkx	Posted - 2011.05.21 20:43:00 - [81] CCP: Can i get an answer please?
Leetha Layne	Posted - 2011.05.21 20:57:00 - [82] Originally by: Vaju Katru Risk vs Reward. High sec = Low Risk and Low Reward. Its that simple. This And even though you are apparently "special" I doubt you will get an answer by spamming.
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.05.21 21:10:00 - [83] Originally by: Jenkx CCP: Can i get an answer please? You've gotten an answer. Plenty of answers. And CCP will not answer you in the forums. They will tell you to file a petition. Asking for CCP to answer you here is foolish.
Jenkx	Posted - 2011.05.25 05:03:00 - [84] CCP: Can I get an answer, please?
Jacob Holland Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries Brotherhood Of The Sick and Twisted	Posted - 2011.05.25 07:40:00 - [85] Originally by: Jenkx If CCP only decreased the mineral content of the systems I currently mine, then I would have no problem moving or even suggesting to my corp CEO about all of moving. But CCP decreased all the mineral of content of all high sec systems. So the problem is ever where. Could you expand on this point? How many systems have you surveyed? Over what period of time and during what time periods? (eg, the last six months, generally between DT and 1800 EVETime) How have you tracked the activities of other pilots in the surveyed systems? What is the level of mineral content reduction? and is it possible that it's a statistical anomaly? -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
Isebella Ahih Amarr	Posted - 2011.05.25 07:51:00 - [86] Edited by: Isebella Ahih on 25/05/2011 07:54:43 Again, Your problem is not any patch of CCPs, Your problem is that you're in a system that's been mined far too much for a long period of time and refuse to move. I'm in a .7 system with about 15 belts, The population in my system is low, usually only 4-5, and each belt is usually enough to fill 4-6 Orcas before emptying, and then there's another 14 belts to mine. So again, There's no problem with high sec mineral content, You simply need to move to a better system (ie, not in caldari space, not within 5 jumps of a trade hub or mission hub, and with a small enough population that the belts doesn't get cleared out on a regular basis). If you refuse to do that, Your problem is caused by yourself, Not CCP, No need for a patch.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.05.25 07:56:00 - [87] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 25/05/2011 07:56:13 Originally by: Jenkx CCP: Can I get an answer, please? CCP is on the right Originally by: Xenuria I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
Skydell Caldari Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.05.25 07:57:00 - [88] Expect to be stone walled by CCP on this and anything else related to content volume. They don't have an answer for you. All things in EVE must be destroyed and new stuff made. The amount of minerals is based on what gets destroyed so unless we start blowing more stuff up we won't get more minerals in any space, High sec, low sec or any sec. CCP could introduce natural decay items to the game that create a cycle without the Player based blow stuff up requirement but the PvP group would cry like babies. Even though it really wouldn't do much to thier game or influence it and might make up for the large number of people who don't PvP not adding to the recycle system of blow stuff up, it seems CCP would rather continue to try and force PvP on those people. It hasn't worked after 8 years but it seems to be the fashion.
moskowitz Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2011.05.25 08:40:00 - [89] Edited by: moskowitz on 25/05/2011 08:46:11 im in a system with 5 belts. i run out of pyrox and mine other stuff... ur well.....DELUSIONaL! find something else to do with your allowance money...like i hear WoW is a really good game for pre-teens. edited for spelling. thought about retracting my words but NO. what an annoying thread...lol
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2011.05.25 08:50:00 - [90] Originally by: Jenkx CCP: Can I get an answer, please? *x10* I think he mad.

Jhagiti Tyran Caldari Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns	Posted - 2011.05.25 08:52:00 - [91] I too demand ANSWERS.
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.05.25 10:06:00 - [92] asteroid belts should be removed as they are now and replaced with the system that is currently in place in wormholes - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - OLD FORUM I ♥ YOU, NEVER LEAVE ME AGAIN!
Makcis	Posted - 2011.05.31 17:42:00 - [93] CCP: Can I get an answer please?
Adelain Niska Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2011.05.31 17:57:00 - [94] Edited by: Adelain Niska on 31/05/2011 17:59:15 Originally by: Jenkx CCP: Can I get an answer, please? Are 'challenged' in some way or another? Jenkx, can I get an answer please? ---- My reputation is not solid.
Alys Silf	Posted - 2011.05.31 18:08:00 - [95] I'm not telling where I mine... and its on an alt that is now my main. But: the system is 0.8, i think, always full of asteroids, no human pirates, no rats. I moved there after having two jetcans full of omber stolen from me. Now I mine for several hours, have jetcans floating all over the place, its near a trade hub... when I'm done I remove it all at a leisurable pace. I find there are tons of asteroids all over the place if you want to high sec mine. As for low sec... I've flown around it lots and find the reputed danger to be a bit exaggerated. Countless systems with less than five people in them all the time. I died the first time I went to low sec and stayed away for a while... but now I fly around it all the time. I'm actually disappointed. I'm actually a fairly new player, though... maybe its an anomaly?


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