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IAMYOURMAMA	Posted - 2011.03.30 22:45:00 - [1] So im not sure if some of you know this but apparently if you leave your corporation (no matter if your corp dec'd another or you got dec'd by a corp) its a bannable offence? " Sent - 3/24/2011 11:47:00 PM Hi, This mail is sent to inform you that your EVE Online account *****, has been suspended for ignoring the instructions of a GM regarding the use of Corp-hopping to avoid war decs. You have already been warned for this behavior and still you use the same tactic. The account has therefore been banned for three days. Please note that further violations of this sort will eventually lead to a permanent account ban. If you feel the ban is not justified or you have something to add to the matter, please reply to this mail and we will respond as soon as possible. Regards, GM Stardust EVE Online Customer Support" My response can be seen here If this be the case then a LOT of people that are in large wardec corps/alliances such as NOIR or 0rphanage (be dec'd by or initiated dec) should have been or should be banned. Not to mention, ALL capsuleers who use the 1 man corp dec method then instantly join 2 or more members to the corp after locating a war target then leaving corp should be banned(I have not heard of any such cases of this). Not to make this post insanely long but below is a petition (also put in by the banned character months ago) responded from by a GM. 2010.07.22 21:01:00 * Hello, My corp has dec'd Rookie Empire (alliance) twice. First time as a corp, second time as an alliance. Each time, their members leave and join an alt corp to avoid the war dec. I thought this was considered an exploit when it happens more than once and the obvious intention is to avoid a war dec by corp hopping. As soon as the war was over last time, they rejoined their corp in the alliance. An example of one of these characters is: col sanders420 Thanks for looking into this 2010.07.25 19:06:00 GM Ocelot Hello, Thank you for the information. unfortunately there is little we can do in this case as joining and leaving a corporation is not considered an exploit. Even if it is done to avoid wars. Players are free to come and go as they please and if they do not wise to fight they can leave the corporation. Best regards, GM Ocelot The EVE Online Customer Support Team So EVE please tell me which GM to believe because I am lost here. If anything that char/person has canceled all of his accounts because CCP is jerking him around banning characters and making up their own rules as they go along... How can anyone in EVE or this person follow CCP's guidelines without CCP knowing what their own rules are?** The only thing i ask is that a GM respond to this post or contact my character in eve to resolve the matter by removing this ban as a past offense and possibly if he isn't too stubborn an apology?
Neo Omni Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.30 22:51:00 - [2] Edited by: Neo Omni on 30/03/2011 22:51:47 Are you serious? You can get banned for corp hopping to avoid wardecs? Sounds like a favorable game mechanic to me. Sounds almost like CCP is telling you how to play the game.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.03.30 22:52:00 - [3] Just keep doing it. They have said repeatedly on the forums that it is not an exploit or bannable offense. I don't know Stardust and he or she might be a fine person who is just unaware of the rules. Escalate it to a higher level GM.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.03.30 22:52:00 - [4] Don't bring your GM issues to the forums, you'll score yourself a forum ban too. Follow the process for escalation as per the EVE site. -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
The PitBoss Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.03.30 22:53:00 - [5] Originally by: IAMYOURMAMA ... If this be the case then a LOT of people that are in large wardec corps/alliances such as NOIR or 0rphanage (be dec'd by or initiated dec) should have been or should be banned ... If soliciting your tears is bannable ... please by all means .. ban us ... OTHERWISE ... Please leave us out of this UNTIL you have a leg to stand on Thank-You, The Pitboss Signatures by: Kalen Vox
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.03.30 22:55:00 - [6] First off, if you want to keep this thread open, or if you want the OP to still make any sense whatsoever after a forum mod comes through here, you'd better remove all the copypasta of GM conversations (the mods will do that for you and some of the other text might go away with it too) and replace it with a very rough summary of what was said (as long as it's just paraphrasing, it's ok-ish). Originally by: IAMYOURMAMA So EVE please tell me which GM to believe because I am lost here. Both, and neither. For the time being, for each individual situation, ALWAYS listen to the GM in charge for that PARTICULAR situation. Not listening to warnings (even if they contradict what another GM has said in the past) will lead to exactly what happened to you. However, for the long run, challenge everything. Not all GMs are created equal... and some policies are left semi-interpretable... if they even exist written down somewhere). My advice would be to reopen both, mention the identifying details of the other one in each, and ask escalation to a higher GM level. Also... it's a 3-day ban. It will almost certainly expire BEFORE the situation will get solved. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.30 22:59:00 - [7] I know that if I was banned from the game I would run to the forums and break rules in hope of a forum ban also. Also IBTL. .
xXxSatsujinxXx Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:00:00 - [8] In before you get snipped. I reported a guy for this a couple of weeks ago, he leaves his corp pretty much weekly, for 12 or so hours at a time to use his freighter. I was told by the GM that it was not an offense. Soooooooo, unlucky... clearly the rules were moody that day...
Neo Omni Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Cipher Jones I know that if I was banned from the game I would run to the forums and break rules in hope of a forum ban also. Also IBTL. Then in turn ban CCP from your bank account as well. So who actually loses here? touche.
Chesty McJubblies Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:02:00 - [10] Originally by: xXxSatsujinxXx In before you get snipped. I reported a guy for this a couple of weeks ago, he leaves his corp pretty much weekly, for 12 or so hours at a time to use his freighter. I was told by the GM that it was not an offense. Soooooooo, unlucky... clearly the rules were moody that day... Inconsistency is rife here, it's laughable.
Lubomir Penev Aliastra	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:10:00 - [11] OP is the kind of sucky game mechanics abuser that wardec with a alt in a one man corp, that once his covops alt found a tasty target missioning joins the corp and quickly gank the WT, then leave corp to avoid retribution. By his own admission he even at least once did it without a session change so he would not appear as a war target in local nor on his victim overview, and already got warned for that. I for one, hope that he'll catch testicular cancer IRL, oh wait, not possible. There are no macrominers in EVE
Montgomery Crabapple	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:13:00 - [12] Originally by: Lubomir Penev OP is the kind of sucky game mechanics abuser that wardec with a alt in a one man corp, that once his covops alt found a tasty target missioning joins the corp and quickly gank the WT, then leave corp to avoid retribution. By his own admission he even at least once did it without a session change so he would not appear as a war target in local nor on his victim overview, and already got warned for that. Yup, seen this so many times. Still, love forum whines for exploiting game mechanics almost as much as I love forum whines for bot bans.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:17:00 - [13] the real question is how much pointing and laughing at the OP can we get IN BEFORE THE LOCK? what a marooon --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Herp McDerpington	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:17:00 - [14] Just a heads up but the same GM has been up to some crazy antics today in other places too: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1489853
yumike	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:18:00 - [15] its been said countless times that it is an actionable thing. If you leave a corp thats at war, thats fine. If you joined a new corp and they dec that one too, And the dec was meant for you (Aka you started it likely verbally and now are copping out are usually how these go.) then you again drop that one. Then yes it is actionable.. Obviously. And good OP. i'm glad you learned your lesson.
Petrov Kreigt Caldari Asteroids Civil Rights Union D'Haran Empire.	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:18:00 - [16] I guess Brybry was so good at the pew pews that he was silenced D: The ever evolving rulebook of eve never ceases to amaze still <3 double standards
DurrHurrDurr	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:19:00 - [17] "Thank you for the information. unfortunately there is little we can do in this case as joining and leaving a corporation is not considered an exploit. Even if it is done to avoid wars. Players are free to come and go as they please and if they do not wise to fight they can leave the corporation. Best regards, GM Ocelot The EVE Online Customer Support Team" Stardust you are a terrible GM. Please learn the rules you are responsible for enforcing.
OLDSKOOL 707	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:19:00 - [18] Originally by: Montgomery Crabapple Originally by: Lubomir Penev OP is the kind of sucky game mechanics abuser that wardec with a alt in a one man corp, that once his covops alt found a tasty target missioning joins the corp and quickly gank the WT, then leave corp to avoid retribution. By his own admission he even at least once did it without a session change so he would not appear as a war target in local nor on his victim overview, and already got warned for that. Yup, seen this so many times. Still, love forum whines for exploiting game mechanics almost as much as I love forum whines for bot bans. Being warned for aggressing without a sesion change seem to me like a completely different offense than leaving a corp to avoid a war dec. How is a warning for aggressing without a session change the same as a warning for leaving a corp to avoid a dec? I believe that is the point the op is making. Perhaps a warning should have been received instead of a ban and perhaps the GM's should all get on the same page as far as rules are concerned. Inconsistency = unprofessional.
Gavjack Bunk Gallente Zero taxes corps are easy to make	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:20:00 - [19] I'm not biting. I know you've written with sincerity, I think you're just pulling my leg. What next, getting rid of insanity ECM?
IAMYOURMAMA	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:24:00 - [20] Originally by: Lubomir Penev OP is the kind of sucky game mechanics abuser that wardec with a alt in a one man corp, that once his covops alt found a tasty target missioning joins the corp and quickly gank the WT, then leave corp to avoid retribution. By his own admission he even at least once did it without a session change so he would not appear as a war target in local nor on his victim overview, and already got warned for that. I for one, hope that he'll catch testicular cancer IRL, oh wait, not possible. Cool bro... so in the petition the banned user stated that he followed the rules he was told was not an exploit by joining corp then session changing by jumping through a gate. Lame method or not, he followed the GM's rules that were laid forth. For instance if you ask a GM "Is it ok to leave corp during a wardec while being camped in station so i can undock and leave safely" and he says "Sure you can leave corp right now and it wouldn't violate any rules" You then leave corp and undock past your former wt's and fly away safely (btw this has happened plenty of times) Then all of a suddenly your former wartargets petition you for leaving corp to avoid a war dec and you then become banned by a different GM for reasons of "Leaving your corp to avoid a war dec" Is that right? Btw on another note, ppl in eve corp hop and leave corp to avoid war decs all of the time, they also log off in freighters when they jump into a gate camp in order to avoid being killed because they log off while cloaked so they disappear within 30 seconds and therefore cannot be killed. People do the cloak warp trick.... to avoid war targets. All you bears use the game mechanics to their full advantage to avoid flashies but its not ok if someone to take advantage of the mechanics to kill ppl who run from decs all their EVE life. Its a shame.
IAMYOURMAMA	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:28:00 - [21] Originally by: yumike its been said countless times that it is an actionable thing. If you leave a corp thats at war, thats fine. If you joined a new corp and they dec that one too, And the dec was meant for you (Aka you started it likely verbally and now are copping out are usually how these go.) then you again drop that one. Then yes it is actionable.. Obviously. And good OP. i'm glad you learned your lesson. Bro... the banned member only had outgoing decs not incoming, not to mention there were still characters in that corp when he left. Good job reading.
Lubomir Penev Aliastra	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:32:00 - [22] Originally by: IAMYOURMAMA All you bears use the game mechanics to their full advantage to avoid flashies but its not ok if someone to take advantage of the mechanics to kill ppl who run from decs all their EVE life. I have hundreds of empire kills of war targets. Never used corp hoping tricks. You just suck. Big time. There are no macrominers in EVE
IAMYOURMAMA	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Lubomir Penev Originally by: IAMYOURMAMA All you bears use the game mechanics to their full advantage to avoid flashies but its not ok if someone to take advantage of the mechanics to kill ppl who run from decs all their EVE life. I have hundreds of empire kills of war targets. Never used corp hoping tricks. You just suck. Big time. GJ bro, click the 'x' at the upper right corner of your browser to receive a cookie, you've earned it.
mkmin	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:37:00 - [24] griefer tears = best tears
Cacnea	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:38:00 - [25] Originally by: yumike its been said countless times that it is an actionable thing. First time I've heard of this. Originally by: yumike If you leave a corp thats at war, thats fine. If you joined a new corp and they dec that one too, And the dec was meant for you (Aka you started it likely verbally and now are copping out are usually how these go.) then you again drop that one. Then yes it is actionable.. Obviously. I'm sure continual wardecs on a specific person is borderline, if not full, harassment. Originally by: yumike And good OP. i'm glad you learned your lesson. Did you even read the OP's post? Oh, you did? 3/10, you had me going there for a while.
Xioling Soung	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:39:00 - [26] Edited by: Xioling Soung on 30/03/2011 23:39:48 I guess he was so good at the pew pews that he was silenced D: The ever evolving rulebook of eve never ceases to amaze still <3 double standards
rock crawlermne	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:41:00 - [27] So, lemme get this right OP. PLease correct me if I'm wrong. You war dec'd a crop w/a 1 man alt. Found a memeber of that corp w/ your main...quickly joined the 1 man alt corp, ganked a unsuspecting target before the game mechanics could catch up and alert him that you're an enemy...and then left the 1man alt corp to avoid retribution. How is this not an exploit of the system? GM stardust discovered this, and banned you for it. So you come here and post just enough to let us know YOUR side of the story, and mislead us in morally backing you up. If that is true, then you sir, are the worst kind of scum. I ninja salvage/loot...I openly steel from mission runners, and I gurarentee people will respect me more then you. I read in your link that you have '7 other accounts' that you will cancle if this doens't get resolved. I'll bet money that 5 of those accounts are bots. I wont tell you to leave...becuase that's againts the rules and I wont stoop to that level....but should you quit, no tears will be shead.
Xioling Soung	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:43:00 - [28] Originally by: rock crawlermne So, lemme get this right OP. PLease correct me if I'm wrong. You war dec'd a crop w/a 1 man alt. Found a memeber of that corp w/ your main...quickly joined the 1 man alt corp, ganked a unsuspecting target before the game mechanics could catch up and alert him that you're an enemy...and then left the 1man alt corp to avoid retribution. How is this not an exploit of the system? GM stardust discovered this, and banned you for it. So you come here and post just enough to let us know YOUR side of the story, and mislead us in morally backing you up. If that is true, then you sir, are the worst kind of scum. I ninja salvage/loot...I openly steel from mission runners, and I gurarentee people will respect me more then you. I read in your link that you have '7 other accounts' that you will cancle if this doens't get resolved. I'll bet money that 5 of those accounts are bots. I wont tell you to leave...becuase that's againts the rules and I wont stoop to that level....but should you quit, no tears will be shead. Bro... posting reams of nonsense before thinking or even having a clue... best idea ever C/D?
Caius Sivaris Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:49:00 - [29] Originally by: IAMYOURMAMA For instance if you ask a GM "Is it ok to leave corp during a wardec while being camped in station so i can undock and leave safely" and he says "Sure you can leave corp right now and it wouldn't violate any rules" You then leave corp and undock past your former wt's and fly away safely (btw this has happened plenty of times) Those people don't rejoin the corp they just left if they happen to find a juicy target. They were griefed out of corp, success, victory. Quote: Then all of a suddenly your former wartargets petition you for leaving corp to avoid a war dec and you then become banned by a different GM for reasons of "Leaving your corp to avoid a war dec" Is that right? Yes. You look like a kid that think he's very smart but that is actually too dumb to make the difference between the spirit and the letter of the law, or actually you do and have such a superiority complex that you think you're the only one... If you think you have ground to cry, go read the EULA, they can ban you for no other reasons than "they felt like it". Also shopping for the answer you'd like to hear with an oriented question is quite easy, GMs aren't usually shining stars of intellectual brilliance (until you get to a senior GM where they are usually quite decent). Quote: Btw on another note, ppl in eve corp hop and leave corp to avoid war decs all of the time, they also log off in freighters when they jump into a gate camp in order to avoid being killed because they log off while cloaked so they disappear within 30 seconds and therefore cannot be killed. People do the cloak warp trick.... to avoid war targets. Only the logging off under gate cloak is borderline exploit in what you said, but as CCP can't reliably make the difference between a genuine disconnect/grid load crash and a logoff they can't really act on it, in practice for normal people leaving corp under wardec is perfectly fine as long as they don't rejoin as soon as they find an afk hauler belonging to their former WTs... Quote: All you bears use the game mechanics to their full advantage to avoid flashies but its not ok if someone to take advantage of the mechanics to kill ppl who run from decs all their EVE life. Its a shame. I'm not quite sure you know who you're talking about, speaking of a few people that answered that thread. If you wanna gank bears, wardec them, and stick to your damn corp. Hundreds of people are successfully farming bears without the need to play with shifty corp hoping mechanics, what about you man up and start sucking less?
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:50:00 - [30] Originally by: yumike its been said countless times that it is an actionable thing. If by "it's be said countless times that it is an actionable thing" you mean it's been said countless times that it is not an actionable thing, then you would be right. Otherwise, you are wrong. CCP has said that corp hoping to avoid war decs is actually allowed.

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