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Rek Seven
Gallente
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
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Posted - 2011.04.01 08:34:00 -
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Sometimes you just have to let nature take its course to advance human evolution...
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Eastman Color
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Posted - 2011.04.01 09:02:00 -
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Their issue is an overpopulation of an inadequate ecosystem.
Unfortunately throwing money at this has never and will never work.
Only two cures for too many people and people rarely like either.
1) move some where that can support the population
2) diminish the population
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Hannibal Ord
Minmatar
Hannibals Commando's
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Posted - 2011.04.01 09:30:00 -
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Confirming that OP should really state specifically which countries need aid rather than lumping an ENTIRE continent into one thing. All the countries are all as unique as everywhere else.
And yes as someone said above African countries need trade.
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Hannibal Ord
Minmatar
Hannibals Commando's
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Posted - 2011.04.01 09:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Eastman Color
2) diminish the population
You do realise Africa is the LEAST populated continent on average on earth. Much of the issue of overpopulation is actually to do with lack of support from the outside and corruption on the inside, and if those two factors were removed people would be fine to live pretty much anywhere.
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Cheapo Hobo
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Posted - 2011.04.01 10:04:00 -
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Edited by: Cheapo Hobo on 01/04/2011 10:05:01
Originally by: Marion Vane
so what is the best way to donating them?
The best way to support the proud nations of Africa is to teach them help themselves.
It might sound cruel, but you ain't teaching a farmer what crop to harvest by drowning his house in sweetcorn, if you know what I mean.
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Florestan Bronstein
Amarr
Taishi Combine
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Posted - 2011.04.01 10:08:00 -
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Highly recommend A Farewell to Alms to anyone interested in that topic - imo Clark makes pretty good arguments for the use of neu-Malthusian ideas in the analysis of poverty in Africa in particular.
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Josefine Etrange
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Posted - 2011.04.01 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Western World needs a revolution or two to get some good leaders in charge of the place. They are ruled by greedy leaders who don't care about their own people and would rather let them die in a famine than spend a portion of their wealth caring for them or developing their countries.
SCNR ;-)
As Northern Afrika seems to have relized this and started their revolution, when WE do start ours? With people working 40 hours per week and STILL living on social wellfare something seems not only rotten in africa.
But you are still right about donations for africa, most of them just will do no good at all. Similar btw for donations for AI, GP or even the WWF. alof of your money will end for something totaly different, like some audi A6s for the people in the lower managment responsible for the ads.
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Rouge Drone
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Posted - 2011.04.01 10:31:00 -
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Africans aren't kawaii. ^_^
-drone-chan
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Rek Seven
Gallente
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
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Posted - 2011.04.01 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Hannibal Ord
Originally by: Eastman Color
2) diminish the population
You do realise Africa is the LEAST populated continent on average on earth. Much of the issue of overpopulation is actually to do with lack of support from the outside and corruption on the inside, and if those two factors were removed people would be fine to live pretty much anywhere.
If a country cannot support its population, that country is overpopulated.
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Eastman Color
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Posted - 2011.04.01 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Hannibal Ord
Originally by: Eastman Color
2) diminish the population
You do realise Africa is the LEAST populated continent on average on earth. Much of the issue of overpopulation is actually to do with lack of support from the outside and corruption on the inside, and if those two factors were removed people would be fine to live pretty much anywhere.
That's rather flawed thinking,
Primarily a population should be able to sustain it's self, be that through producing the necessary food stuffs to sustain it's self or being able to produce sufficient export that it can buy in the foods stuffs required.
"support" from the outside is nothing more than a drain on the outside which I object to.
Our planet can support a finite number of humans and in all honesty, pretty much all of out problems could be solved by dropping the population of the earth to something little more than 500 million people.
I'm all for the lottery out of sliders
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Aderata Nonkin
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.04.01 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rek Seven
If a country cannot support its population, that country is overpopulated.
No, then they need to find a government that isn't corrupt and can find other ways of supporting its population.
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Eastman Color
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Posted - 2011.04.01 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Aderata Nonkin
Originally by: Rek Seven
If a country cannot support its population, that country is overpopulated.
No, then they need to find a government that isn't corrupt and can find other ways of supporting its population.
Hypothetically, how would you do that?
Oh and mind that if we do manage to "save" affrica and they become a deveopmental equal to the rest of the world.
That's just going to add to the whole "global warming" issues we have.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2011.04.01 12:01:00 -
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The situation in Africa is dire and action needs to be taken NOW. In the UK we have Comic Relief which involves lots of british actors/entertainers doing fun things to help raise money for Africa. If donations are made I feel they should be forwarded to organisations such as this.
There are lots of African leaders like Mugabe and perhaps some of the african continents that have islamic/muslim governments that must be removed from power.
Commonwealth countries need to do something about Africa and ensure that learders with compassion and good intentions are put into a position of power.
The world must change. We can no longer condone the exploitation of Africa and African workers/businesses must be given a fair wage for their works and trade.
I am totally dissapointed with mankind for allowing the 1984 rwanda genocide to happen, and the people responsible for ethnic cleansing should be imprisoned for the rest of their lives.
I pay my taxes in Britain and I'd like some of it to be used to help make the entire world a better place.
N.B. some of your attitudes on this subject stink.
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Diesel47
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Posted - 2011.04.01 12:04:00 -
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Africa is always going to be ****ed. Nobody can help them.
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Guilliman R
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.04.01 12:14:00 -
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Yeah, no. What we need to do is stop aiding them, so they learn not to rely on the west for **** and actually do something themselves.
You want to help them? Bomb the **** out of the local warlords/oppressive regimes or do nothing and let 'nature' run it's course. Giving money or food doesn't help anyone except your conscience.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2011.04.01 12:19:00 -
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Sorry not wasting resources on Africa.
"I can't feed myself, but hey let's make love and have kids" Here's your sign.
"HIV rate is %50, nah I don't need to wear a condom" Here's your sign.
"Let's murder and rob white farmers, oops now we have food shortage" Here's your sign.
Japan, yes. Nice ppl. Smart. Self-reliant. I will help.
Africa. No way, not one penny not one tear, good riddance.
C7
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Ticarus Hellbrandt
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Posted - 2011.04.01 12:19:00 -
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should rate happiness over poverty, i think a great deal of poor africans are very happy in their situation. However, a lot of comparitively wealthy japanese are very unhappy.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2011.04.01 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
Sorry not wasting resources on Africa.
"I can't feed myself, but hey let's make love and have kids" Here's your sign.
"HIV rate is %50, nah I don't need to wear a condom" Here's your sign.
"Let's murder and rob white farmers, oops now we have food shortage" Here's your sign.
Japan, yes. Nice ppl. Smart. Self-reliant. I will help.
Africa. No way, not one penny not one tear, good riddance.
C7
I had promised myself I wouldnt reply to ignorant racsist ill-informed nonsense.
FYI, there is a food shortage in Zimbabwe because trade sanctions have been imposed and no other country will trade with Zimbabwe much needed supplies. Last I heard is Zimbabwe dont even have the appropriate chemicals used to process clean water.
Cipher7, Not everyone agreed with the way mugabe did things, lots of people are against mugabe but are afraid to speak out because they could be murdered or imprisoned.
Have some compassion, you really shouldnt say "good riddance" when you dont even know the particulars of the situation.
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Straight Edged
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Posted - 2011.04.01 12:40:00 -
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So because of mugabe, poor people get kids despite unable to even give them food?
so because of mugabe, you have to have sex and spread HIV?
so because of mugabe, you cant plant sweet potatoes for yourself?
ANYONE in the world knows how to blame the politicians. Singaporean. American. Francian. Korean. Japanese. ANYONE.
it is natural to blame politicians.
because humans dont like to take blame themselves. The world is filled with choice. And blaming politicians and suffer, is their own choice.
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Diesel47
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Posted - 2011.04.01 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Straight Edged
So because of mugabe, poor people get kids despite unable to even give them food?
so because of mugabe, you have to have sex and spread HIV?
so because of mugabe, you cant plant sweet potatoes for yourself?
ANYONE in the world knows how to blame the politicians. Singaporean. American. Francian. Korean. Japanese. ANYONE.
it is natural to blame politicians.
because humans dont like to take blame themselves. The world is filled with choice. And blaming politicians and suffer, is their own choice.
It is always the politicians fault. What are you talking about?
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.04.01 12:45:00 -
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Some of you really make me sick. Africa, for the most part was and is a tribal culture thrust from the stone age into the modern era beginning in earnest in the 1700's. If you want to read a good article on the 'whys' here http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8215083.stm.
It's not hard to understand that Africa has suffered brutal colonialism. And that due to it's immense wealth in natural resources and the primitive state of its cultures as compared to the industrialized world, that some powers might have an interest in keeping Africa in the state it is in? Hmmm?
Want to read a book that highlights the plight of Sierra Leone giving you the why's and the how's? Here http://www.amazon.com/Blood-Diamonds-Tracing-Deadly-Precious/dp/0813342201. Yes it inspired a movie but the book goes much more indepth about how and why Sierra Leone became the ruthless and corrupt place it once was. And it wasn't the fault of it's inhabitants alone.
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Grifthin
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Posted - 2011.04.01 12:58:00 -
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We don't need plex. People that are stupid must suffer and die - will solve alot of our problems.
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Eastman Color
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Posted - 2011.04.01 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron
FYI, there is a food shortage in Zimbabwe because trade sanctions have been imposed and no other country will trade with Zimbabwe much needed supplies. Last I heard is Zimbabwe dont even have the appropriate chemicals used to process clean water.
So without trading they're unable to sustain the population?
They also don't have access to clean water?
Sounds like natures way of giving a subtle hint that people shouldn't live there.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2011.04.01 13:21:00 -
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Edited by: Aaron on 01/04/2011 13:21:48
Originally by: Eastman Color
Originally by: Aaron
FYI, there is a food shortage in Zimbabwe because trade sanctions have been imposed and no other country will trade with Zimbabwe much needed supplies. Last I heard is Zimbabwe dont even have the appropriate chemicals used to process clean water.
So without trading they're unable to sustain the population?
They also don't have access to clean water?
Sounds like natures way of giving a subtle hint that people shouldn't live there.
This is exactly why I dont bother to chat here anymore. This guy appears to know nothing about how an economy works and is too ignorant to bother to go find out.
All countries in the world rely on each other for goods and services that will help sustain its population. Trade sanctions stop a country operating normally. Did you know that the UK relies on Europe for natural Gas? if Europe stopped supplying UK with gas should everyone in the UK move?
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Aderata Nonkin
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.04.01 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Eastman Color
Hypothetically, how would you do that?
Release the nations from their colonial bonds, reaffirm the African Union on the international scene and make investers aware of the fact the continent has played - and is still playing - a fundamental part in world history and development.
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Oh and mind that if we do manage to "save" affrica and they become a deveopmental equal to the rest of the world.
That's just going to add to the whole "global warming" issues we have.
Nobody in the world needs "saving". Nobody in the world even wants to be "saved".
People in general want to live like human beings, free from oppression and civil wars. Free from ignorant governments and multinational companies that exploit every penny and acre of land just so they can feed their own bank accounts, share markets and the western world's excessive greed.
Read up on the Human Rights if you feel rusty on the subject.
The "global warming" issue is something the world has to face together. Unfortunately the G8 countries have done nothing towards it, with the USA as the biggest criminal in the drama.
With China on the rise as a global force it matters little if all the nations in Africa raise their productivity even 50% than what they do presently. Our free capitalism has proven not to work and it's only a matter of time until it will collapse, regardless what happens with Africa.
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Aderata Nonkin
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.04.01 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Eastman Color
So without trading they're unable to sustain the population? Sounds like natures way of giving a subtle hint that people shouldn't live there.
A dictator in government has nothing to do with "nature's way". Stop being an ignorant idiot. They can't trade because of what the government is doing and that leads to the population suffering.
I suggest you go back to secondary school and take some history classes. You seem to have missed basic education.
-)Peace through supreme firepower(- |
Implying Implications
Minmatar
Autistic Sharks
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.01 15:29:00 -
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We should print some money and give it to the Africans. It seems to work for other countries.
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noc D
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Posted - 2011.04.01 18:01:00 -
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answers: http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
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Cairn Bolete
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Posted - 2011.04.01 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Chesty McJubblies
Originally by: mkmin
Originally by: Chesty McJubblies
insane heat, and temperature?
quoted for irony
Not exactly ironic. More like a mistake, hence it was edited 4 minutes before you posted.
Sure it is. mkmin thought it ironic that you said heat and temperature twice, which it wasn't, it was a tautology.
What I did was "quote for irony" that mkmin tried to make a quote an ironic one.
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Inbred Nation
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Posted - 2011.04.01 20:13:00 -
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bugger africa save the whales first
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