EVE Search - How about Africa?

Check My IP Information

All Channels

Out of Pod Experience

How about Africa?

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 3 :: [one page]

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 1 post(s)
Marion Vane	Posted - 2011.03.31 19:14:00 - [1] hi everybody. eve community helping countries like Haiti, Japan... ect because they got disaster, they need help. thats cool. thats nice. thats kind. but there is a really big problem in the middle of the planet (earth). Africa... they need food. i dont think i miss one plex donation session for them. did i? so please help me to understand donation mechanism specs and requirements. sorry for gramma.
Joe Phoenix	Posted - 2011.03.31 19:19:00 - [2] You are completely right, however people are being helped, so i can't really complain.
Chesty McJubblies Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.03.31 19:22:00 - [3] Edited by: Chesty McJubblies on 31/03/2011 19:25:14 Wouldn't the middle of the planet be the Earth's core? And aren't they all dead down there, due to insane pressure, and temperature?
mkmin	Posted - 2011.03.31 19:29:00 - [4] Originally by: Chesty McJubblies insane heat, and temperature? quoted for irony As for PLEX for Africa, there are lots of political and social issues that make donations to Africa problematic. Something like 5%-10% of worldwide donations to Africa actually make it to benefit the people. There are very specific groups that are effective at bypassing the government corruption, but in general it's very very hard to make donations to Africa actually matter, and I would guess CCP isn't qualified to identify them. If you want to donate to Africa, go ahead, but having CCP organize it would probably end up being a big waste.
Cairn Bolete	Posted - 2011.03.31 19:33:00 - [5] Originally by: mkmin Originally by: Chesty McJubblies insane heat, and temperature? quoted for irony It's a tautology, not irony. Quoting for real irony.
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.03.31 19:35:00 - [6] Originally by: mkmin Originally by: Chesty McJubblies insane heat, and temperature? quoted for irony As for PLEX for Africa, there are lots of political and social issues that make donations to Africa problematic. Something like 5%-10% of worldwide donations to Africa actually make it to benefit the people. There are very specific groups that are effective at bypassing the government corruption, but in general it's very very hard to make donations to Africa actually matter, and I would guess CCP isn't qualified to identify them. If you want to donate to Africa, go ahead, but having CCP organize it would probably end up being a big waste. This. Donating to Africe unfortunately is likely not to help those who need it. Unless you go with the food and bring an army with high powered machine guns and tanks.
Marion Vane	Posted - 2011.03.31 19:38:00 - [7] Edited by: Marion Vane on 31/03/2011 19:39:15 Originally by: mkmin Originally by: Chesty McJubblies insane heat, and temperature? quoted for irony As for PLEX for Africa, there are lots of political and social issues that make donations to Africa problematic. Something like 5%-10% of worldwide donations to Africa actually make it to benefit the people. There are very specific groups that are effective at bypassing the government corruption, but in general it's very very hard to make donations to Africa actually matter, and I would guess CCP isn't qualified to identify them. If you want to donate to Africa, go ahead, but having CCP organize it would probably end up being a big waste. didnt know that.
Chesty McJubblies Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.03.31 19:45:00 - [8] Originally by: mkmin Originally by: Chesty McJubblies insane heat, and temperature? quoted for irony Not exactly ironic. More like a mistake, hence it was edited 4 minutes before you posted.
baltec1	Posted - 2011.03.31 19:47:00 - [9] Afria is always starving
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2011.03.31 19:48:00 - [10] No Africa shouldn't actually need any food aid. Africa is extremely rich in resources and more than capable of feeding everyone living there and more, but many of them just get poorer every year because they refuse to get their own **** together. Africa needs a revolution or two to get some good leaders in charge of the place. They are ruled by greedy leaders who don't care about their own people and would rather let them die in a famine than spend a portion of their wealth caring for them or developing their countries. I'm not saying we shouldn't help feed the people that are starving now, but until africans themselves get tired of being abused nothing is going to change there. If you're going to donate to Africa, donate to some development project, preferably an agricultural one, in an african country that isn't oppressing it's people and actually tries to turn itself in to a developed country with strong and transparent institutions that can support themselves and won't screw over their citizens. That way you might actually contribute something to improving things on the long run and stop the same thing from happening again in a few years.

Insert Your Name	Posted - 2011.03.31 19:49:00 - [11] Originally by: baltec1 Afria is always starving As Sam once said, they need to move to where the food is.
mkmin	Posted - 2011.03.31 19:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Marion Vane Originally by: mkmin Originally by: Chesty McJubblies insane heat, and temperature? quoted for irony As for PLEX for Africa, there are lots of political and social issues that make donations to Africa problematic. Something like 5%-10% of worldwide donations to Africa actually make it to benefit the people. There are very specific groups that are effective at bypassing the government corruption, but in general it's very very hard to make donations to Africa actually matter, and I would guess CCP isn't qualified to identify them. If you want to donate to Africa, go ahead, but having CCP organize it would probably end up being a big waste. didnt know that. so what is the best way to donating them? From my own research on the topic a favorite would be micro-lending. I had a lead on an organization that I found particularly appealing, but I'm having a hard time finding it now. I'd also consider Unicef (sp?) as their particular focus is on helping children and their mothers, and have a lot of field time focusing on women's health (though I personally don't know of their track record in Africa in particular.) Like I said though, making sure donations in Africa get to their intended recipients is extremely sticky. Mostly it ends up funding the mansions and guns for bureaucrats.
mkmin	Posted - 2011.03.31 19:57:00 - [13] Originally by: Destination SkillQueue No Africa shouldn't actually need any food aid. Africa is extremely rich in resources and more than capable of feeding everyone living there and more, but many of them just get poorer every year because they refuse to get their own **** together. Africa needs a revolution or two to get some good leaders in charge of the place. They are ruled by greedy leaders who don't care about their own people and would rather let them die in a famine than spend a portion of their wealth caring for them or developing their countries. I'm not saying we shouldn't help feed the people that are starving now, but until africans themselves get tired of being abused nothing is going to change there. If you're going to donate to Africa, donate to some development project, preferably an agricultural one, in an african country that isn't oppressing it's people and actually tries to turn itself in to a developed country with strong and transparent institutions that can support themselves and won't screw over their citizens. That way you might actually contribute something to improving things on the long run and stop the same thing from happening again in a few years. Even this attitude is highly problematic. Culture in Africa is put together in a way where attempting to Westernize the whole continent will not work. Attempts at Westernization is the source of a lot of their problems. European cultures go from a top down mentality where there's a government (or historically a king) that is responsible to the people. African cultures go from the ground up with people working together for the tribe and bugger anything outside it. Trying to enforce a top down government is a big part of the problem to begin with. The most successful charities will encourage the growth of the foundation, yes, but including government in the picture at all is a problem. But now we're getting away from the topic of EVE, and how a this complex issue can't be helped by throwing money at it.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.03.31 20:04:00 - [14] There's a difference between donating to a disaster in one country and trying to donate to a humanitarian crisis across an entire continent...Africa isn't a country if you hadn't noticed. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Hakkar'al Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.31 20:26:00 - [15] Having lived in East Africa and been off-and-on there since 2002 I know that you are definately wrong. "Africa" do not need food. Poor people in some countries in Africa needs food - which is a gigantic difference. Example: what "africa" are you talking about? Marocko? Egypt? (guess not) South Africa (possibly, doubt it) Tanzania? (You do know where that is right?) Tchad, Sudan? (Quite possibly) Human disaster areas need supplies gotten in, unfortunately these are the least likely areas to allow transport. CCP isn't in a position to supply anyone anything to those who severly need it in those areas without local war maniacs securing it for themselves. My beloved Tanzania (S of Kenya on the east coast) is actually on the rise finally, after quite some liberal market reform.
ReconSira	Posted - 2011.03.31 20:40:00 - [16] I'll be happy to feed Africa. Except for the wealthy Nigerian princes and princesses (lots of them) who keep calling and emailing me promising millions if I send a few thousand. Except for the Somolian pirates who keep pirating innocents off their coast. Except for the South African blacks who now have power and are killing innocent whites, stealing, and destroying a once beautiful and wealthy nation. Except for the Northern African terrorists who support violent Muslim extremists. Except for the, well screw Africa. Sincerely those who realize any money sent to Africa is a waste (Haitti was a mistake too). Send it to Japan where it will do some good and help a civilized and contributing society. Thanks.
mechtech SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2011.03.31 20:49:00 - [17] Guys, PLEX for good is PR, keep that in mind. CCP isn't in the philanthropy business, they're in the games business. PLEX for good only comes around when big events (tsunamis/earthquakes) because that's when the money can make maximum news impact. I'm not vilifying CCP, on the contrary I think these PR drives are great for the popularity of the game and the health of the impacted people, but don't expect PLEX for Africa any time soon (unless there's an earthquake or tsunami).
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.03.31 21:06:00 - [18] Yeah, us Africans are ****ing starving, feed us ffs. I agree that shooting people with a headache in the head is a good idea, because it will stop their headaches.
Bane Necran Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.31 21:15:00 - [19] Originally by: baltec1 Afria is always starving While hundreds of tons of food is thrown out each year and farmers are paid not to grow crops, just to keep prices high. If there was money to be made in feeding Africa it would be done, but since there isn't, forced scarcity to make more money is the game.
Darteis Elosia Gallente PHOENIX 2ND C.A.G. DEM0N HUNTERS	Posted - 2011.03.31 21:37:00 - [20] People starving not beeing able to party like it's 1799... Old news, not generating headlines, few people care about it so PR from Plex for Africa would be low yielding.

Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.31 21:40:00 - [21] Originally by: Bane Necran Originally by: baltec1 Afria is always starving While hundreds of tons of food is thrown out each year and farmers are paid not to grow crops, just to keep prices high. If there was money to be made in feeding Africa it would be done, but since there isn't, forced scarcity to make more money is the game. It isnt that simple. If they are actually large scale starving we can indeed give food, and that happens. But what happens if we just give food to a poor country? You make that farmer go broke and also depend on our food donations: they will then completely depend on our help, not really a healthy position for both them and us. Same for donating cloths to Africa, nice, except for their local tailor who just went bankrupt.
DmitryEKT Waterboard	Posted - 2011.03.31 21:45:00 - [22] PLEX for Good only works because people respond to a visible disaster. If it was a year-round program it wouldn't have nearly so much momentum and would get a much smaller total donations. Unfortunate that it can't reach everyone but it's best that it's done this way.
GodsVervloek Definitive Exploration and Excavations	Posted - 2011.03.31 22:08:00 - [23] Africa needs to get rid of its tribe mentality, otherwise it will never reach its full potential. Sending food or money is an absolute waste of time, it will never reach the people that need it. Africa is controlled by corrupt goverments, even South Africa which are the richest country in Africa is rotten all the way to presedential level. Besides, you send them food and they live one day longer, and the next day you have to send food again, it never ends. You're giving them false hope, stop prolonging their misery, stop sending aid ... a very horrible thing to say, but reality is what it is.
Bane Necran Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.31 22:50:00 - [24] Edited by: Bane Necran on 31/03/2011 22:52:30 Originally by: Furb Killer If they are actually large scale starving we can indeed give food, and that happens. But what happens if we just give food to a poor country? You make that farmer go broke and also depend on our food donations: they will then completely depend on our help, not really a healthy position for both them and us. Same for donating cloths to Africa, nice, except for their local tailor who just went bankrupt. There's always large scale starving going on in some areas, but to most people it's only real when it's on their TV, and when the pledge drive is over they believe it's fixed somehow. And the people i'm talking about feeding have no money to pay farmers in the first place, so you're not going to be putting any farmers out of business, and i'm not sure why those farmers would depend on food donations as a result like you imagine. As for clothing, unless there's a bizarre cold snap it's not important. What we're talking about is just keeping people alive, with food we throw away. Money isn't the most important thing.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.03.31 23:06:00 - [25] Originally by: GodsVervloek Africa needs to get rid of its tribe mentality, otherwise it will never reach its full potential. Sending food or money is an absolute waste of time, it will never reach the people that need it. Africa is controlled by corrupt goverments, even South Africa which are the richest country in Africa is rotten all the way to presedential level. Besides, you send them food and they live one day longer, and the next day you have to send food again, it never ends. You're giving them false hope, stop prolonging their misery, stop sending aid ... a very horrible thing to say, but reality is what it is. There's so much ignorance on so many levels with this post. Maybe when you get a little older you'll understand somethings. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
ATARI BABY Ministry of War	Posted - 2011.03.31 23:31:00 - [26] Originally by: Bane Necran What we're talking about is just keeping people alive, with food we throw away. +1
Hakkar'al Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.01 04:29:00 - [27] Originally by: Barakkus There's so much ignorance on so many levels with this post. Maybe when you get a little older you'll understand somethings. This ... somewhat. Granted, aid on a state level tends to feed corruption (!), as does government funding. But modern aid is not about sending food, clothes and other stuff to Africa (I've seen first hand broken Amstrad WPCs sent as aid to a school without electricity in NW Tanzania) but "grass root" help directly to people in local communities. Peoples ideas of aid is pathetically uninformed.
Awesome Possum Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS	Posted - 2011.04.01 05:18:00 - [28] Edited by: Awesome Possum on 01/04/2011 05:20:16 Originally by: Marion Vane Edited by: Marion Vane on 31/03/2011 19:53:35 Originally by: mkmin Originally by: Chesty McJubblies insane heat, and temperature? quoted for irony As for PLEX for Africa, there are lots of political and social issues that make donations to Africa problematic. Something like 5%-10% of worldwide donations to Africa actually make it to benefit the people. There are very specific groups that are effective at bypassing the government corruption, but in general it's very very hard to make donations to Africa actually matter, and I would guess CCP isn't qualified to identify them. If you want to donate to Africa, go ahead, but having CCP organize it would probably end up being a big waste. didnt know that. so what is the best way to donating them? That's easy. Every nation withholds all donations until Africa starves to the point that the people violently remove all corrupt officials. Then we send in militaries to make sure that 1) food/aid is actually distributed to the ones that need it 2) summary executions of any individuals in any power that even smell corrupt 3) i want to rule somalia. Quote: Peoples ideas of aid is pathetically uninformed. not everyone has the time or money to fly to africa and build crappy tin sheet homes or teach pot belly kids the importance of brushing their teeth. ♥
Sharon Anne Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.01 05:29:00 - [29] Africa doesn't need aid, Africa needs trade. Buying African goods will do more good than donating to aid groups. *The general epidemic of rectal-cranial inversion*
St Mio Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2011.04.01 05:41:00 - [30] I live in South Africa (NORLY), please send me ISK so I can buy PLEX and thus afford pizza for lunch today, thank you.

Rek Seven Gallente Guy Fawkes Trust Fund	Posted - 2011.04.01 08:34:00 - [31] Sometimes you just have to let nature take its course to advance human evolution...
Eastman Color	Posted - 2011.04.01 09:02:00 - [32] Their issue is an overpopulation of an inadequate ecosystem. Unfortunately throwing money at this has never and will never work. Only two cures for too many people and people rarely like either. 1) move some where that can support the population 2) diminish the population
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Hannibals Commando's	Posted - 2011.04.01 09:30:00 - [33] Confirming that OP should really state specifically which countries need aid rather than lumping an ENTIRE continent into one thing. All the countries are all as unique as everywhere else. And yes as someone said above African countries need trade.
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Hannibals Commando's	Posted - 2011.04.01 09:35:00 - [34] Originally by: Eastman Color 2) diminish the population You do realise Africa is the LEAST populated continent on average on earth. Much of the issue of overpopulation is actually to do with lack of support from the outside and corruption on the inside, and if those two factors were removed people would be fine to live pretty much anywhere.
Cheapo Hobo	Posted - 2011.04.01 10:04:00 - [35] Edited by: Cheapo Hobo on 01/04/2011 10:05:01 Originally by: Marion Vane so what is the best way to donating them? The best way to support the proud nations of Africa is to teach them help themselves. It might sound cruel, but you ain't teaching a farmer what crop to harvest by drowning his house in sweetcorn, if you know what I mean.
Florestan Bronstein Amarr Taishi Combine	Posted - 2011.04.01 10:08:00 - [36] Highly recommend A Farewell to Alms to anyone interested in that topic - imo Clark makes pretty good arguments for the use of neu-Malthusian ideas in the analysis of poverty in Africa in particular.
Josefine Etrange	Posted - 2011.04.01 10:28:00 - [37] Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Western World needs a revolution or two to get some good leaders in charge of the place. They are ruled by greedy leaders who don't care about their own people and would rather let them die in a famine than spend a portion of their wealth caring for them or developing their countries. SCNR ;-) As Northern Afrika seems to have relized this and started their revolution, when WE do start ours? With people working 40 hours per week and STILL living on social wellfare something seems not only rotten in africa. But you are still right about donations for africa, most of them just will do no good at all. Similar btw for donations for AI, GP or even the WWF. alof of your money will end for something totaly different, like some audi A6s for the people in the lower managment responsible for the ads.
Rouge Drone	Posted - 2011.04.01 10:31:00 - [38] Africans aren't kawaii. ^_^ -drone-chan
Rek Seven Gallente Guy Fawkes Trust Fund	Posted - 2011.04.01 10:52:00 - [39] Originally by: Hannibal Ord Originally by: Eastman Color 2) diminish the population You do realise Africa is the LEAST populated continent on average on earth. Much of the issue of overpopulation is actually to do with lack of support from the outside and corruption on the inside, and if those two factors were removed people would be fine to live pretty much anywhere. If a country cannot support its population, that country is overpopulated.
Eastman Color	Posted - 2011.04.01 10:59:00 - [40] Originally by: Hannibal Ord Originally by: Eastman Color 2) diminish the population You do realise Africa is the LEAST populated continent on average on earth. Much of the issue of overpopulation is actually to do with lack of support from the outside and corruption on the inside, and if those two factors were removed people would be fine to live pretty much anywhere. That's rather flawed thinking, Primarily a population should be able to sustain it's self, be that through producing the necessary food stuffs to sustain it's self or being able to produce sufficient export that it can buy in the foods stuffs required. "support" from the outside is nothing more than a drain on the outside which I object to. Our planet can support a finite number of humans and in all honesty, pretty much all of out problems could be solved by dropping the population of the earth to something little more than 500 million people. I'm all for the lottery out of sliders

Aderata Nonkin Amarr	Posted - 2011.04.01 11:11:00 - [41] Originally by: Rek Seven If a country cannot support its population, that country is overpopulated. No, then they need to find a government that isn't corrupt and can find other ways of supporting its population. -)Peace through supreme firepower(-
Eastman Color	Posted - 2011.04.01 11:32:00 - [42] Originally by: Aderata Nonkin Originally by: Rek Seven If a country cannot support its population, that country is overpopulated. No, then they need to find a government that isn't corrupt and can find other ways of supporting its population. Hypothetically, how would you do that? Oh and mind that if we do manage to "save" affrica and they become a deveopmental equal to the rest of the world. That's just going to add to the whole "global warming" issues we have.
Aaron Eternal Frontier Rebel Alliance of New Eden	Posted - 2011.04.01 12:01:00 - [43] The situation in Africa is dire and action needs to be taken NOW. In the UK we have Comic Relief which involves lots of british actors/entertainers doing fun things to help raise money for Africa. If donations are made I feel they should be forwarded to organisations such as this. There are lots of African leaders like Mugabe and perhaps some of the african continents that have islamic/muslim governments that must be removed from power. Commonwealth countries need to do something about Africa and ensure that learders with compassion and good intentions are put into a position of power. The world must change. We can no longer condone the exploitation of Africa and African workers/businesses must be given a fair wage for their works and trade. I am totally dissapointed with mankind for allowing the 1984 rwanda genocide to happen, and the people responsible for ethnic cleansing should be imprisoned for the rest of their lives. I pay my taxes in Britain and I'd like some of it to be used to help make the entire world a better place. N.B. some of your attitudes on this subject stink.
Diesel47	Posted - 2011.04.01 12:04:00 - [44] Africa is always going to be ****ed. Nobody can help them.
Guilliman R Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.04.01 12:14:00 - [45] Yeah, no. What we need to do is stop aiding them, so they learn not to rely on the west for ** and actually do something themselves. You want to help them? Bomb the ** out of the local warlords/oppressive regimes or do nothing and let 'nature' run it's course. Giving money or food doesn't help anyone except your conscience. ------
Cipher7	Posted - 2011.04.01 12:19:00 - [46] Sorry not wasting resources on Africa. "I can't feed myself, but hey let's make love and have kids" Here's your sign. "HIV rate is %50, nah I don't need to wear a condom" Here's your sign. "Let's murder and rob white farmers, oops now we have food shortage" Here's your sign. Japan, yes. Nice ppl. Smart. Self-reliant. I will help. Africa. No way, not one penny not one tear, good riddance. C7
Ticarus Hellbrandt	Posted - 2011.04.01 12:19:00 - [47] should rate happiness over poverty, i think a great deal of poor africans are very happy in their situation. However, a lot of comparitively wealthy japanese are very unhappy.
Aaron Eternal Frontier Rebel Alliance of New Eden	Posted - 2011.04.01 12:32:00 - [48] Originally by: Cipher7 Sorry not wasting resources on Africa. "I can't feed myself, but hey let's make love and have kids" Here's your sign. "HIV rate is %50, nah I don't need to wear a condom" Here's your sign. "Let's murder and rob white farmers, oops now we have food shortage" Here's your sign. Japan, yes. Nice ppl. Smart. Self-reliant. I will help. Africa. No way, not one penny not one tear, good riddance. C7 I had promised myself I wouldnt reply to ignorant racsist ill-informed nonsense. FYI, there is a food shortage in Zimbabwe because trade sanctions have been imposed and no other country will trade with Zimbabwe much needed supplies. Last I heard is Zimbabwe dont even have the appropriate chemicals used to process clean water. Cipher7, Not everyone agreed with the way mugabe did things, lots of people are against mugabe but are afraid to speak out because they could be murdered or imprisoned. Have some compassion, you really shouldnt say "good riddance" when you dont even know the particulars of the situation.
Straight Edged	Posted - 2011.04.01 12:40:00 - [49] So because of mugabe, poor people get kids despite unable to even give them food? so because of mugabe, you have to have sex and spread HIV? so because of mugabe, you cant plant sweet potatoes for yourself? ANYONE in the world knows how to blame the politicians. Singaporean. American. Francian. Korean. Japanese. ANYONE. it is natural to blame politicians. because humans dont like to take blame themselves. The world is filled with choice. And blaming politicians and suffer, is their own choice.
Diesel47	Posted - 2011.04.01 12:43:00 - [50] Originally by: Straight Edged So because of mugabe, poor people get kids despite unable to even give them food? so because of mugabe, you have to have sex and spread HIV? so because of mugabe, you cant plant sweet potatoes for yourself? ANYONE in the world knows how to blame the politicians. Singaporean. American. Francian. Korean. Japanese. ANYONE. it is natural to blame politicians. because humans dont like to take blame themselves. The world is filled with choice. And blaming politicians and suffer, is their own choice. It is always the politicians fault. What are you talking about?

Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.04.01 12:45:00 - [51] Some of you really make me sick. Africa, for the most part was and is a tribal culture thrust from the stone age into the modern era beginning in earnest in the 1700's. If you want to read a good article on the 'whys' here http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8215083.stm. It's not hard to understand that Africa has suffered brutal colonialism. And that due to it's immense wealth in natural resources and the primitive state of its cultures as compared to the industrialized world, that some powers might have an interest in keeping Africa in the state it is in? Hmmm? Want to read a book that highlights the plight of Sierra Leone giving you the why's and the how's? Here http://www.amazon.com/Blood-Diamonds-Tracing-Deadly-Precious/dp/0813342201. Yes it inspired a movie but the book goes much more indepth about how and why Sierra Leone became the ruthless and corrupt place it once was. And it wasn't the fault of it's inhabitants alone.
Grifthin	Posted - 2011.04.01 12:58:00 - [52] We don't need plex. People that are stupid must suffer and die - will solve alot of our problems.
Eastman Color	Posted - 2011.04.01 13:04:00 - [53] Originally by: Aaron FYI, there is a food shortage in Zimbabwe because trade sanctions have been imposed and no other country will trade with Zimbabwe much needed supplies. Last I heard is Zimbabwe dont even have the appropriate chemicals used to process clean water. So without trading they're unable to sustain the population? They also don't have access to clean water? Sounds like natures way of giving a subtle hint that people shouldn't live there.
Aaron Eternal Frontier Rebel Alliance of New Eden	Posted - 2011.04.01 13:21:00 - [54] Edited by: Aaron on 01/04/2011 13:21:48 Originally by: Eastman Color Originally by: Aaron FYI, there is a food shortage in Zimbabwe because trade sanctions have been imposed and no other country will trade with Zimbabwe much needed supplies. Last I heard is Zimbabwe dont even have the appropriate chemicals used to process clean water. So without trading they're unable to sustain the population? They also don't have access to clean water? Sounds like natures way of giving a subtle hint that people shouldn't live there. This is exactly why I dont bother to chat here anymore. This guy appears to know nothing about how an economy works and is too ignorant to bother to go find out. All countries in the world rely on each other for goods and services that will help sustain its population. Trade sanctions stop a country operating normally. Did you know that the UK relies on Europe for natural Gas? if Europe stopped supplying UK with gas should everyone in the UK move?
Aderata Nonkin Amarr	Posted - 2011.04.01 13:23:00 - [55] Originally by: Eastman Color Hypothetically, how would you do that? Release the nations from their colonial bonds, reaffirm the African Union on the international scene and make investers aware of the fact the continent has played - and is still playing - a fundamental part in world history and development. Quote: Oh and mind that if we do manage to "save" affrica and they become a deveopmental equal to the rest of the world. That's just going to add to the whole "global warming" issues we have. Nobody in the world needs "saving". Nobody in the world even wants to be "saved". People in general want to live like human beings, free from oppression and civil wars. Free from ignorant governments and multinational companies that exploit every penny and acre of land just so they can feed their own bank accounts, share markets and the western world's excessive greed. Read up on the Human Rights if you feel rusty on the subject. The "global warming" issue is something the world has to face together. Unfortunately the G8 countries have done nothing towards it, with the USA as the biggest criminal in the drama. With China on the rise as a global force it matters little if all the nations in Africa raise their productivity even 50% than what they do presently. Our free capitalism has proven not to work and it's only a matter of time until it will collapse, regardless what happens with Africa. -)Peace through supreme firepower(-
Aderata Nonkin Amarr	Posted - 2011.04.01 13:32:00 - [56] Originally by: Eastman Color So without trading they're unable to sustain the population? Sounds like natures way of giving a subtle hint that people shouldn't live there. A dictator in government has nothing to do with "nature's way". Stop being an ignorant idiot. They can't trade because of what the government is doing and that leads to the population suffering. I suggest you go back to secondary school and take some history classes. You seem to have missed basic education. -)Peace through supreme firepower(-
Implying Implications Minmatar Autistic Sharks Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.04.01 15:29:00 - [57] We should print some money and give it to the Africans. It seems to work for other countries. >Implying Implications
noc D	Posted - 2011.04.01 18:01:00 - [58] answers: http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Cairn Bolete	Posted - 2011.04.01 19:19:00 - [59] Originally by: Chesty McJubblies Originally by: mkmin Originally by: Chesty McJubblies insane heat, and temperature? quoted for irony Not exactly ironic. More like a mistake, hence it was edited 4 minutes before you posted. Sure it is. mkmin thought it ironic that you said heat and temperature twice, which it wasn't, it was a tautology. What I did was "quote for irony" that mkmin tried to make a quote an ironic one.
Inbred Nation	Posted - 2011.04.01 20:13:00 - [60] bugger africa save the whales first

Jon Engel APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2011.04.01 22:27:00 - [61] A case could me made for the old saying. Give a man a fish or teach a man to fish. Plus, if you are a charitable person ( I respect that ) you don't need CCP as an excuse to give. I personally believe in Kharma in certain forms. So a person who gives when he or she can, will receive blessings later in life. 5 bucks goes a long way in the 3rd world. If it actually gets to someone in need. A person can buy supplies to start a cottage industry or something and put food on the table for children. Charities can dig wells or build schools and buy books, etc. Remember Africa's failed economies need to be built up from the village on up. You can not supply the central Governments of African Nations with capital and expect it to trickle down when the Governments are concerned with quashing rebellions and getting that latest crate of Russian AKs off the black market. Do I even think charity or handouts will help in the long run? No. Point is, I think it's something Africa needs to sort out themselves. Otherwise they will just hold hands out for the US or UN food crates and rely on the blue helmets for protection when war breaks out. I feel for Africa but Africa needs to be taught how to provide for itself. So, if you have a fancy degree in economics. Why not get a plane ticket to Liberia and teach a village how to provide a needed or wanted service? Or if you have knowledge of agriculture, help African Land owners make better use of lands and provide them with variety in their diets and a surplus to export? Just some thoughts.
Aaron Eternal Frontier Rebel Alliance of New Eden	Posted - 2011.04.02 03:30:00 - [62] Originally by: Jon Engel A case could me made for the old saying. Do I even think charity or handouts will help in the long run? No. Point is, I think it's something Africa needs to sort out themselves. Otherwise they will just hold hands out for the US or UN food crates and rely on the blue helmets for protection when war breaks out. I feel for Africa but Africa needs to be taught how to provide for itself. So, if you have a fancy degree in economics. Why not get a plane ticket to Liberia and teach a village how to provide a needed or wanted service? Or if you have knowledge of agriculture, help African Land owners make better use of lands and provide them with variety in their diets and a surplus to export? Just some thoughts. Hmmm, I felt you could have looked into it a bit deeper. Lets face it the Infrastructure doesnt exist to ensure african workers recieve a fair wage for their works and looking at the bigger picture we support this exploitation. Lets take chocolate for example, its purchased from african chocolate producers for pennies yet in the UK its a billion pound industry. We have sucked Africa dry for everything its got and those current bastard leaders want to suck even more. Remove these evil people from power, Africa needs leaders where health and education, housing are their priority.
Kishin Sendo Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe	Posted - 2011.04.02 04:00:00 - [63] Wow you guys are really terrible, 3 pages of response and still didn't answer OP's original questions. He asked Originally by: Marion Vane i dont think i miss one plex donation session for them. did i? so please help me to understand donation mechanism specs and requirements. . And here is the answer, CCP's mechanism specs and requirements of Plex donation is when sh!t hit the fan of something on page 1 of CNN/Yahoo/Fox/BBC/etc...., a new disaster that is just happens and gathers a lot of attention, with by doing this, make CCP look good in the news with our money. But On going crisis for no matter how bad or how long does NOT MATTER. oh and BTW, the OP did not ask about geopolitical situation in Africa.
Jon Engel APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2011.04.02 06:10:00 - [64] Originally by: Aaron Originally by: Jon Engel A case could me made for the old saying. Do I even think charity or handouts will help in the long run? No. Point is, I think it's something Africa needs to sort out themselves. Otherwise they will just hold hands out for the US or UN food crates and rely on the blue helmets for protection when war breaks out. I feel for Africa but Africa needs to be taught how to provide for itself. So, if you have a fancy degree in economics. Why not get a plane ticket to Liberia and teach a village how to provide a needed or wanted service? Or if you have knowledge of agriculture, help African Land owners make better use of lands and provide them with variety in their diets and a surplus to export? Just some thoughts. Hmmm, I felt you could have looked into it a bit deeper. Lets face it the Infrastructure doesnt exist to ensure african workers recieve a fair wage for their works and looking at the bigger picture we support this exploitation. Lets take chocolate for example, its purchased from african chocolate producers for pennies yet in the UK its a billion pound industry. We have sucked Africa dry for everything its got and those current bastard leaders want to suck even more. Remove these evil people from power, Africa needs leaders where health and education, housing are their priority. How can you have adequate health, education and housing without a sufficient tax base to draw funds from? That is how I would get "deeper" with it. Too many African Nations are dependent on rather questionable means of funding the various Governments. How about we go the most simpler way and go for such things as non-oil or non-diamond based economies. Or if you will.... A privatized economy where individuals are able to negotiate prices and decide what is to be produced. Then Governments can institute such things as sales taxes and so forth. You need some form of domestic consumerism in order for any Nation to live a high standard, to provide welfare for the poor and to allow the poor to work themselves out of poverty. Sadly, our ramblings don't and won't ever matter. This is stuff Africa has to work out.
Hieronimus Rex Minmatar Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research.	Posted - 2011.04.02 07:16:00 - [65] Edited by: Hieronimus Rex on 02/04/2011 07:16:50 Originally by: Eastman Color Originally by: Hannibal Ord Originally by: Eastman Color 2) diminish the population You do realise Africa is the LEAST populated continent on average on earth. Much of the issue of overpopulation is actually to do with lack of support from the outside and corruption on the inside, and if those two factors were removed people would be fine to live pretty much anywhere. That's rather flawed thinking, Primarily a population should be able to sustain it's self, be that through producing the necessary food stuffs to sustain it's self or being able to produce sufficient export that it can buy in the foods stuffs required. "support" from the outside is nothing more than a drain on the outside which I object to. Our planet can support a finite number of humans and in all honesty, pretty much all of out problems could be solved by dropping the population of the earth to something little more than 500 million people. I'm all for the lottery out of sliders Right because food is sooooo expensive, what with agriculture making up like 3% of US GDP... As others have said the real problem is lack of trade and economic activity largely caused by corrupt institutions. EDIT: Also IBTL
Jin Karn	Posted - 2011.04.02 07:37:00 - [66] TBh who cares if ppl cant feed they familys simple dont have kids not our problem what happens to other countrys sh!t happens
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Hannibals Commando's	Posted - 2011.04.02 08:17:00 - [67] Edited by: Hannibal Ord on 02/04/2011 08:17:59 Originally by: Jin Karn TBh who cares if ppl cant feed they familys simple dont have kids not our problem what happens to other countrys sh!t happens Yeah but it is. That's the point. To think that no other countries have influence on your own is so **ing **ed. If countries in Africa were to progress in certain areas, then so too would your own economy because of increased value of trade overall. The attitude of not giving a **, ultimately results in planes being flown into buildings and lots of people dying in a fire. Simply because countries that are poor, have desperate people, who can end up doing drastic things that effect YOU. It wouldn't take much for Al-Qaeda (for example) to start getting MAJOR footholds in African countries. To make countries prosperous is a good thing, happiness is a good thing. Despair is not.
Tom Sasaki	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:44:00 - [68] What africa needs is security aka training and armament.
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:54:00 - [69] I LOVE TOTO! By the way, real men biomass when they emoragequit.

CCP StevieSG	Posted - 2011.04.02 11:29:00 - [70] Moved to Out of Pod from EVE General.


Milla Jovobitch	Posted - 2011.04.02 13:54:00 - [71] As someone who lives in Real Africa (Southern Highlands of Tanzania, that is), I am positively surprised by how knowledgeable pod pilots are about African affairs. Usually people in western discussion forums have no clue about what's going on down here, but in this thread I find a number of people who do have a clue. (And, of course, we have here some trolls too, and some ignorant asses, as always.) Pretty cool anyway, fellow pilots! PS. Yeah, we do have computers. Yeah, we do have the Internets. My connection is a 3G connection.
Citizen20100211442 Minmatar Carebear Evolution White Angels.	Posted - 2011.04.02 15:47:00 - [72] How about Plex donation to struggling white farmers in South Africa, who are being constantly assaulted and harassed by locals?
Vogue Short Bus Pole Dancers	Posted - 2011.04.02 16:14:00 - [73] When I was in the loony bin I spoke to a member of staff who was from Africa. She said a lot of people in Africa have a me me me attitude. And that with corruption keeps a lot of African countries bouncing on the bottom. But there are some countries that stand out like Botswana - Stable democracy and it is the worlds largest of diamonds that gives it wealth. China is investing all over Africa. All part of its global strategy to secure natural resources (And buying votes in the UN). Western pundits would like to paint this as typical Chinese amoral foreign policy. Particularly with the war in Darfur rumbling on. But Sudan is stabilizing. And could be integrated into economic globalization that will give sustainable development. After all USA established diplomatic relations with Vietnam when it became a major exporter. Consumer goods is mightier than the sword! Africans are very wary of Western esoteric initiatives in Africa. They are far more agreeable to China who does not meddle beyond stating 'don't go to war'. It is not ideal to invest in corrupt countries in Africa. But if you cut the head of a snake it grows back. It is better to deal with a snake and through industrialization its offspring will start looking after its own rather than eating it. And with the recent rise in global food prices which was in a large way created by the west subsidizing its own agriculture It would be of global benefit for Africa to invest in modern high tech agriculture to provide supply alternatives to non rich countries. I think in 50-100 years Africa could surprise the world with creative industries. After all Rock, pop music evolved from Blues and Jazz music. .................................................. Fortress Of Solitude
Taedrin Gallente The Green Cross Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2011.04.02 18:28:00 - [74] Originally by: Cairn Bolete Originally by: mkmin Originally by: Chesty McJubblies insane heat, and temperature? quoted for irony It's a tautology, not irony. Quoting for real irony. Actually, I bet that there is LOTS of iron at the Earth's core. Ba dum tssshhh ---------- Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident" Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
Jin Karn	Posted - 2011.04.02 20:18:00 - [75] Originally by: Hannibal Ord Edited by: Hannibal Ord on 02/04/2011 08:17:59 Originally by: Jin Karn TBh who cares if ppl cant feed they familys simple dont have kids not our problem what happens to other countrys sh!t happens Yeah but it is. That's the point. To think that no other countries have influence on your own is so **ing **ed. If countries in Africa were to progress in certain areas, then so too would your own economy because of increased value of trade overall. The attitude of not giving a **, ultimately results in planes being flown into buildings and lots of people dying in a fire. Simply because countries that are poor, have desperate people, who can end up doing drastic things that effect YOU. It wouldn't take much for Al-Qaeda (for example) to start getting MAJOR footholds in African countries. To make countries prosperous is a good thing, happiness is a good thing. Despair is not. like i said who cares
Flynn Fetladral Caldari BlackSite Prophecy	Posted - 2011.04.02 22:09:00 - [76] Edited by: Flynn Fetladral on 02/04/2011 22:09:29 Going to start selling the big issue next are we? The PLEX for good campaign helped said counties as they suffered natural disasters. Africa requires long term aid and support. If you want to help Africa or any of the very valid long term charitable endeavours, then you can go and sign up to give monthly donations from Ç2+ month with any given charity who you might feel works in an area close to your heart. CCP is a games development company, not a non-for-profit. Follow Flynn on Twitter
Martinez T-Cells MOAR TEARS	Posted - 2011.04.03 07:02:00 - [77] this pretty much sums up africa's inhabitants http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN7ehccspao&feature=related
Selinate Amarr Red Water Syndicate	Posted - 2011.04.03 14:06:00 - [78] Wait for them to stop killing each other, THEN we'll talk about sending aid to Africa.


Pages: 1 2 3 :: [one page]

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.