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Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.30 16:06:00 -
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highonpop wrote:I'm not trying to tell you that you are wrong. I'm just saying that an industrial is NOT meant for AFK mining. If you get outside of 1.0-0.9 space and do it. You WILL die to the belt rats. YOu can't tank an industrial to perma-tank belt rats, even frigates... truncated
For the most part you are right, I think the OP was talking about pre mining ship capable pilots, I certainly was, I think once a pilot gets into a mining ship it becomes a non-issue.
J'Poll wrote:This post and then later on you claim
A. Not to mine AFK
B. Not mine at all cause it's dull
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You just lost ALL your possible right to believe your post.
Once upon a time I played a game of football, didn't like it, doesn't make me a footballer, you must first do something to discover that you do or do not like it.
J'Poll wrote:You are just another FAIL forum troll alt, if you want to do that. Pick a story and stick to it.
Or maybe I don't want to do that.
But for fun can you provide a definition of "FAIL forum troll alt"?
Also there is nothing in my post to believe, stop taking everything so literally, I made an example to highlight a point, wether you beleive the story I used to highlight the point is irrelevant, it's still a valid story and a valid point.
There is so much anger and hatred on these forums is it always like this? |
Erinn Sylvanus
NovaTech Universal
Freemen Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.08.30 16:08:00 -
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I would say that in general, the OP is correct.
That said, I have done it on an alt in two situations:
1) - the semi-afk time, when my main was missioning and I had on my second screen, my alt in an indy sitting there chewing rocks.
2) When I was hauling for corpmates or my alts, and didn't have a full load - I'd sit in the belt tractoring in cans and running a laser so that I was mining ore, too.
But other than those times - yeah, get a cruiser, some cargo expanders, bookmark a rock, and just haul to station and jump back when loaded. Much better isk. |
Toroup
Prometheus Deep Core Mining and Salvage
35
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Posted - 2012.08.30 16:12:00 -
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mkint wrote:Do people even still try to go for a mining indy ship since the retriever buff?
And this is kind of a pointless ranting thread. inb4lock
Someone was just talking about it recently - at least your post provided some value and didn't make you look like an ass....oh, wait... |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars
Ethereal Dawn
383
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Posted - 2012.08.30 16:58:00 -
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Erinn Sylvanus wrote:I would say that in general, the OP is correct.
That said, I have done it on an alt in two situations:
1) - the semi-afk time, when my main was missioning and I had on my second screen, my alt in an indy sitting there chewing rocks.
2) When I was hauling for corpmates or my alts, and didn't have a full load - I'd sit in the belt tractoring in cans and running a laser so that I was mining ore, too.
But other than those times - yeah, get a cruiser, some cargo expanders, bookmark a rock, and just haul to station and jump back when loaded. Much better isk.
Did almost the same as your 1st point.
Main was doing some PvP, one of the alts was sitting in a 1.0 system chewing a Veldspar rock with an itty 5.
But then again, if I really want to mine while "paying attention", I take out dedicated mining ships (bonused stuff).
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it.
We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
222
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Posted - 2012.08.30 17:17:00 -
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Hiro Ceffoe wrote:Also I never once insulted or attacked you in any way to make my point.
Did I "troll" you?
Was I right?
Are you angry?
1. You havn't made a point. Everything you have said has been contradictory and invalid to the point where it's obvious you just want the last word.
2. Yes
3. No
4. I feel a bit sorry for you
Lastly just for you Hiro :
Industrials are a bad idea for mining while actually looking at the game. There is no argument to this point since the stats of the ship are just way lower than any other ship for the point in question. The point in question is mining output while at the computer looking at eve. Indistrials are for carrying cargo from point A to point B, and are ONLY good for mining if you are in hisec and want to spend your time not actually playing eve (on that character) but still want to slowly scrape in ISK.
All of this has been said before, as you have read several times by now.
No hard feelings, see how i even avoided the opportunity to link a currently poigniant forum troll in answer to your definition question.
If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if i'm online.
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Xuixien
Rifterlings
Ushra'Khan
129
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Posted - 2012.08.30 17:19:00 -
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Just use a Retriever.
Rabble Rabble!!
Rifterlings is currently recruiting frigate and cruiser pilots for LowSec/NullSec small gang PvP and FW. Newbies and veterans alike are welcome.
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Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
222
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Posted - 2012.08.30 17:22:00 -
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Cruiser pilots for the rifterlings  don't you guys fly rifters like that famous and sweaty rifter society? Maybe just a clever name to trick us 
Yeah get any MINING ship you can.
If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if i'm online.
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.08.31 06:05:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Cruiser pilots for the rifterlings don't you guys fly rifters like that famous and sweaty rifter society? Maybe just a clever name to trick us Yeah get any MINING ship you can.
That "famous and sweaty rifter society" undocks battlecruisers with little hestitation if they feel it's needed. Not that they fly Rifters for the hell of it 
OT: I wouldn't recommend this either since we have AFK barges these days. If you don't have ISK to get them, there are much faster ways to get it than chewing rocks in Indies or something. You can try exploration for example.
If you absolutely need to do this totally AFK and don't have more than 1-2 mil ISK, well, you can go for indy, but your IRL money into ISK conversion rate will be terrible once you calculate in power your PC consumes  |
Gaius Fabricius
3M Sinq Laison
5
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Posted - 2012.08.31 06:15:00 -
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highonpop wrote:J'Poll wrote:Hiro Ceffoe wrote:I was mining in an industrial while I was doing housework, worked out well for me, why blanket the idea of industrial mining with an absolute like "its dumb" or "just dont" surely its entirely dependant on the state of the player, not everyone devotes 100 percent of there attention to EVE at all times.
The ore I got during that hour or two of mining in an industrial is more than I would have got if I hadn't done it, I don't see how thats a bad thing.
It would make more sense to maybe use math or the age old example to support your post, telling someone not to do something because you consider it stupid is not advice its dictating. To advise someone is to tell them the pros and cons of a situation biased in the direction you prefer and then let them make up there own mind. Reading is something they didnt teach you. OP said that indy mining is "good" for AFK mining (which is what you did). He is more talking about ATK mining in indy ships. mining in and industrial is not good even if you are afk.
This tbh.
You get 20K m3 ore in like 45 minutes.
Lets say its veldspar, thats less than 300K ISK per hour. Yea 300.000 ISK per hour....
Thats 1-2 missions.
Well I guess its a lot to some. |
Rams Trough'put
Perpetual Innovations Inc
0
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Posted - 2012.08.31 23:18:00 -
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Sin Pew wrote:mkint wrote:Do people even still try to go for a mining indy ship since the retriever buff?
And this is kind of a pointless ranting thread. inb4lock It's not rant, it's education. No later than past week-end: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14436093+1 Keno. Wow, they were in 0.0 space in a iteron3, with no tank, WTF!!!! lol
I to am guilty of this(my first half a hour or so of mining, in 0.9 space) till I had a lil understanding of my gear, and how slow it is. Once I figured out how to jet can and mount 4 lasers on my Catalyst and I was done with that foolishness.  |
Rams Trough'put
Perpetual Innovations Inc
0
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Posted - 2012.08.31 23:33:00 -
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Hiro Ceffoe wrote:I was mining in an industrial while I was doing housework, worked out well for me, why blanket the idea of industrial mining with an absolute like "its dumb" or "just dont" surely its entirely dependant on the state of the player, not everyone devotes 100 percent of there attention to EVE at all times.
The ore I got during that hour or two of mining in an industrial is more than I would have got if I hadn't done it, I don't see how thats a bad thing.
It would make more sense to maybe use math or the age old example to support your post, telling someone not to do something because you consider it stupid is not advice its dictating. To advise someone is to tell them the pros and cons of a situation biased in the direction you prefer and then let them make up there own mind. I still in mine if I'm hauling in a 2 man fleet. He mines while I'm gone, but in the time I'm gone he hasn't pulled enough to to top me off, so I just pull up and pick up what he's got so far and start my laser up just to help till I'm ready to make another dump run.
There is times that it "kinda" makes sense, when solo, I don't do it. |
Rams Trough'put
Perpetual Innovations Inc
0
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Posted - 2012.08.31 23:57:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Erinn Sylvanus wrote:1) - the semi-afk time, when my main was missioning and I had on my second screen, my alt in an indy sitting there chewing rocks.
But other than those times - yeah, get a cruiser, some cargo expanders, bookmark a rock, and just haul to station and jump back when loaded. Much better isk. Did almost the same as your 1st point. Main was doing some PvP, one of the alts was sitting in a 1.0 system chewing a Veldspar rock with an itty 5. But then again, if I really want to mine while "paying attention", I take out dedicated mining ships (bonused stuff). But not all of us "noobs" in are up flying a dedicated miner yet.
We"re still just getting our basic skills up. They say it only takes 2 days to train, but when your just starting out, there is more important things to train than spending 2 days on a dedicated miner you're sure your gonna even stick with. |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars
Ethereal Dawn
386
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Posted - 2012.09.01 07:47:00 -
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Rams Trough'put wrote:J'Poll wrote:Erinn Sylvanus wrote:1) - the semi-afk time, when my main was missioning and I had on my second screen, my alt in an indy sitting there chewing rocks.
But other than those times - yeah, get a cruiser, some cargo expanders, bookmark a rock, and just haul to station and jump back when loaded. Much better isk. Did almost the same as your 1st point. Main was doing some PvP, one of the alts was sitting in a 1.0 system chewing a Veldspar rock with an itty 5. But then again, if I really want to mine while "paying attention", I take out dedicated mining ships (bonused stuff). But not all of us "noobs" in are up flying a dedicated miner yet. We"re still just getting our basic skills up. They say it only takes 2 days to train, but when your just starting out, there is more important things to train than spending 2 days on a dedicated miner you're sure your gonna even stick with.
Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar still have a mining bonused frigate. Only takes hours to train that.
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it.
We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
111
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Posted - 2012.09.01 08:44:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Cruiser pilots for the rifterlings don't you guys fly rifters like that famous and sweaty rifter society? Maybe just a clever name to trick us
They are just a copy 
I am not my skills but...
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Su'urthae Daehn
Daehn Systems
0
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Posted - 2012.09.04 23:53:00 -
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Ok I won't.
But, what about a Rokh? |
Gaellia Bonaventure
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
722
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Posted - 2012.09.05 00:23:00 -
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When I first started playing I tried mining in an Industrial but I figured out pretty fast it simply wasn't outfitted for that kind of work, so I gave it up. 
Eve is red in tooth and claw. Some people learn from their mistakes, some don't. Those who don't get winnowed out.
It is ever thus in both Eve and real life.
Bring your possibles. |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
46
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Posted - 2012.09.05 01:02:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:I know this is the Q/A forums and i dont actually have a question. I do however get asked this a lot by new players so i thought i'd just clarify for those new players considering this route.
Industrial ships have huge cargo holds and this leads a LOT of new miners to train for indy's as a mining ship. This is absolutely the worst idea since Michael Jackson thought to himself "hey, i wonder what Macaulay Culkin's up to tonight".
The large cargo hold may make an indy seem like a prime mining ship, IT IS NOT.
It's not just time-inefficient to suck roids in an Industrial or a Transport. You're also likely to return from AFK, a few hours later, and notice that the asteroid you chose to suck on popped (became empty of ore) after a very few minutes.
Most roids contain very little ore. You can use a Survey Scanner to see how much ore there is in roids within range (and with a T2 Survey Scanner, range is 22.5 km) and choose the ore containing the most ore, but it's still likely to be a fairly small amount, especially if you keep in mind that the Survey Scanner shows the ore amount in units, not in m3, and a typical Industrial may contain from 10'000 to 20'000 m3 of ore (the biggest most pimped ones up to 38'000, IIRC). 20'000 m3 of ore is 200'000 units of Veldspar or about 120'000 units of Scordite. Even roids containing 60'000 Scordite are very rare in low-population high-sec belts.
I guess if you take an Industrial that can fit 2 mining lasers, and with a cargo hold of 8000 to 12'000 m3, it makes some sense. Then it should be possible to find two roids tha can fill your cargo hold, evne if it takes a long AFK time to do the actual filling.
Your best bet - or rather your least bad bet - for AFK mining in an Industrial or Transport, is to do exploration and find a Gravimetric site. Finding such a site can take from 15 to 120 minutes (and you might not find any at all, in a given day), but they tend to contain few but very ore-rich roids, so that you can sit there AFK and suck from the same roid for a very long time.
I still won't recommend it. |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
46
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Posted - 2012.09.05 01:08:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:[quote=Hiro Ceffoe] You are an AFK miner. Sitting at your computer doing something else makes you no less an AFK miner. I have clearly stated several times now that the post is not aimed at AFK miners, but at new players being told crap advice BY afk miners like you. Please can we just stop the trolling, every point you have tried to make is already obviously covered in the first post
I call that being semi-AFK, because since you are in front of the computer, just doing something else, it's fairly easy and likely to alt+tab back into the client once every 10 or 15 minutes to check on things.
Being fully AFK means going to flop down on the couch to watch television, or going out to buy groceries.
A Mackinaw or Retriever works very well for semi-AFK mining, for for fully AFK mining it's not so good (an indy with two miners may actually be better).
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
46
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Posted - 2012.09.05 01:15:00 -
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Gaius Fabricius wrote:highonpop wrote:
mining in and industrial is not good even if you are afk.
This tbh. You get 20K m3 ore in like 45 minutes. Lets say its veldspar, thats less than 300K ISK per hour. Yea 300.000 ISK per hour.... Thats 1-2 missions. Well I guess its a lot to some.
Please share your calculation, because I cannot see how the above is even within spitting distance of being correct.
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Rams Trough'put
Perpetual Innovations Inc
0
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Posted - 2012.09.05 02:44:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Gaius Fabricius wrote:highonpop wrote:
mining in and industrial is not good even if you are afk.
This tbh. You get 20K m3 ore in like 45 minutes. Lets say its veldspar, thats less than 300K ISK per hour. Yea 300.000 ISK per hour.... Thats 1-2 missions. Well I guess its a lot to some. Please share your calculation, because I cannot see how the above is even within spitting distance of being correct. That sounds a WAY high to me too. I know I can fill 1615m3 Exequror in 7 mins(need to double check that) or so with 4 Cu Vapor Particle Bore Streams going.
What the "H E double hockey sticks" is he using to pull that much!!!! lol, I think I'll call fudge'cicles on that math |
Ciaran O' Faolain
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
120
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Posted - 2012.09.05 07:03:00 -
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btw I wonder... all races have mining bonus cruisers?
I know now the Amarr have no more mining frigate, and with the winter update no race will have any mining frigate, we will have to move to ORE frigate for that. But what about cruisers?
Osprey is the caldari mining cruisers. But minmatarr, gallantean, amarr, do they have a mining cruiser? |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars
Ethereal Dawn
388
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Posted - 2012.09.05 07:23:00 -
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Ciaran O' Faolain wrote:btw I wonder... all races have mining bonus cruisers?
I know now the Amarr have no more mining frigate, and with the winter update no race will have any mining frigate, we will have to move to ORE frigate for that. But what about cruisers?
Osprey is the caldari mining cruisers. But minmatarr, gallantean, amarr, do they have a mining cruiser?
Yes, all races have a cruiser that is bonused to mining.
But the question is for how long, as part of the tiericide CCP is doing the next logical step will be the overhaul of the cruisers
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it.
We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Ciaran O' Faolain
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
120
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Posted - 2012.09.05 07:30:00 -
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Oh ok but to me a bonus to mining drone does not really make a mining cruiser. Even at low range, mining drones can not match with T2 mining lasers... I guess the Osprey is still the best mining cruiser around then... |
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