I know this is the Q/A forums and i dont actually have a question. I do however get asked this a lot by new players so i thought i'd just clarify for those new players considering this route.

Industrial ships have huge cargo holds and this leads a LOT of new miners to train for indy's as a mining ship. This is absolutely the worst idea since Michael Jackson thought to himself "hey, i wonder what Macaulay Culkin's up to tonight".

The large cargo hold may make an indy seem like a prime mining ship, IT IS NOT.

People who use indy's to mine are either so new they know no better, or they are AFK miners. AFK miners like to leave an indy mining a rock and go do something else.

For those of you who want to make any actual money in mining without waiting all day for little profit, get literally almost any other ship and you will drasticaly improve your profit margin. Indy's have room for 1 or 2 mining lasers and as such even un-bonused ships of almost any kind will mine faster than an indy.

Get a T1 mining bonused frigate and laugh at the p*ss poor profits of everyone you see mining in an indy. Unless you are an AFK miner in which case you aren't worth talking about, industrial ships are a STUPID choice of mining ship. Most stuff in eve is very opinion based, this is not. It amazes me how many people there are running round advising new players to mine in indys, don't.

Laugh and walk away.

Do people even still try to go for a mining indy ship since the retriever buff?

And this is kind of a pointless ranting thread. inb4lock

Do people even still try to go for a mining indy ship since the retriever buff?

And this is kind of a pointless ranting thread. inb4lock

Thank you for sharing this.
While I do find the tone a little condescending. It does not change the fact, that I myself have mined in a industrial ship, before actually seeing that I mined almost next to nothing, and it would take 30-45 minutes to fill the cargo hull.
And today I still see people mining in industrial ships, so this thread is needed.
Again thank you :)

Apologies for condescending tone, really. While i do sometimes come off as angry it really is not my intention, especially not at new players for lack of knowledge. Any deliberate condescention is aimed squarely at the people who actually advise other players to mine this way, possibly ruining my favourite game for them perminently.

Cheers for the replies, sorry for the attitude. I had literally just got through convincing 2 new players that regardless what their CEO mines in they are better off in anything but an indy. I don't even mine and never have but still i find myself explaining this concept almost daily. I shudder to think what the average mining corp management goes through trying to erase this foolishness :D

Don't sweat it mate :)
It was informative and helpful, rest is just details and semantics.
Could also have said that I just felt bad for being a new ignorant player myself, and therefore read into your OP the condescending tone.
Anyways, it is not important, what is important is the message in your OP.

o/

And just quickly before i get slated for daring to offer advice before i'v been playing 50 years, i am NOT an expert and do not claim to be. I just love the game and like to help people get the most from it.

I was mining in an industrial while I was doing housework, worked out well for me, why blanket the idea of industrial mining with an absolute like "its dumb" or "just dont" surely its entirely dependant on the state of the player, not everyone devotes 100 percent of there attention to EVE at all times.

The ore I got during that hour or two of mining in an industrial is more than I would have got if I hadn't done it, I don't see how thats a bad thing.

It would make more sense to maybe use math or the age old example to support your post, telling someone not to do something because you consider it stupid is not advice its dictating. To advise someone is to tell them the pros and cons of a situation biased in the direction you prefer and then let them make up there own mind.

Reading is something they didnt teach you.

OP said that indy mining is "good" for AFK mining (which is what you did).
He is more talking about ATK mining in indy ships.

Reading is something they didnt teach you.

OP said that indy mining is "good" for AFK mining (which is what you did).
He is more talking about ATK mining in indy ships.

mining in and industrial is not good even if you are afk.

Even though I just gave you a reason why it worked for me in one situation, I'm sure there are other situations it would also be useful for.

I was mining in an industrial while I was doing housework, worked out well for me, why blanket the idea of industrial mining with an absolute like "its dumb" or "just dont" surely its entirely dependant on the state of the player, not everyone devotes 100 percent of there attention to EVE at all times.

The ore I got during that hour or two of mining in an industrial is more than I would have got if I hadn't done it, I don't see how thats a bad thing.

It would make more sense to maybe use math or the age old example to support your post, telling someone not to do something because you consider it stupid is not advice its dictating. To advise someone is to tell them the pros and cons of a situation biased in the direction you prefer and then let them make up there own mind.

If you read the post properly you would have read my reference to AFK miners not being the point of the post, scroll up and read it again more carefully.

I think it is advice, and advice that should be follwed by every NEW EVE Citizen, afterall that is what this forum is for. :) You just want to argue is all your tripe is about.

Don't use an industrial ship to mine cos' its dumb

Is NOT advice

Put simply I have mined in an industrial I am a new player, I would have though that I and others like me were the point or "audience" of this post, yet it doesn't make me want to mine in an industrial any less, you didn't provide any information I can use to determine for myself why mining in an industrial is bad.

Thats not anywhere near what i said, and everyone seems to see it but you. And reducing my post to a silly 1-liner makes only one of us look silly.

"industrial ships are a STUPID choice of mining ship."

I think it is advice, and advice that should be follwed by every NEW EVE Citizen

You are an AFK miner. Sitting at your computer doing something else makes you no less an AFK miner. I have clearly stated several times now that the post is not aimed at AFK miners, but at new players being told crap advice BY afk miners like you. Please can we just stop the trolling, every point you have tried to make is already obviously covered in the first post

Yet the topic title reads Mining in an industrial - Just dont, where it should read Mining in an industrial - just dont, unless AFK.



Even though I just gave you a reason why it worked for me in one situation, I'm sure there are other situations it would also be useful for.

I was mining in an industrial while I was doing housework, worked out well for me, why blanket the idea of industrial mining with an absolute like "its dumb" or "just dont" surely its entirely dependant on the state of the player, not everyone devotes 100 percent of there attention to EVE at all times.

The ore I got during that hour or two of mining in an industrial is more than I would have got if I hadn't done it, I don't see how thats a bad thing.

It would make more sense to maybe use math or the age old example to support your post, telling someone not to do something because you consider it stupid is not advice its dictating. To advise someone is to tell them the pros and cons of a situation biased in the direction you prefer and then let them make up there own mind.

I'm not trying to tell you that you are wrong. I'm just saying that an industrial is NOT meant for AFK mining. If you get outside of 1.0-0.9 space and do it. You WILL die to the belt rats. YOu can't tank an industrial to perma-tank belt rats, even frigates... truncated

This post and then later on you claim

A. Not to mine AFK
B. Not mine at all cause it's dull


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You just lost ALL your possible right to believe your post.

You are just another FAIL forum troll alt, if you want to do that. Pick a story and stick to it.

Do people even still try to go for a mining indy ship since the retriever buff?

And this is kind of a pointless ranting thread. inb4lock

I would say that in general, the OP is correct.

That said, I have done it on an alt in two situations:

1) - the semi-afk time, when my main was missioning and I had on my second screen, my alt in an indy sitting there chewing rocks.

2) When I was hauling for corpmates or my alts, and didn't have a full load - I'd sit in the belt tractoring in cans and running a laser so that I was mining ore, too.

But other than those times - yeah, get a cruiser, some cargo expanders, bookmark a rock, and just haul to station and jump back when loaded. Much better isk.

Also I never once insulted or attacked you in any way to make my point.

Did I "troll" you?

Was I right?

Are you angry?

Cruiser pilots for the rifterlings don't you guys fly rifters like that famous and sweaty rifter society? Maybe just a clever name to trick us

Yeah get any MINING ship you can.

mining in and industrial is not good even if you are afk.

It's not rant, it's education.
No later than past week-end: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14436093

+1 Keno.

I was mining in an industrial while I was doing housework, worked out well for me, why blanket the idea of industrial mining with an absolute like "its dumb" or "just dont" surely its entirely dependant on the state of the player, not everyone devotes 100 percent of there attention to EVE at all times.

The ore I got during that hour or two of mining in an industrial is more than I would have got if I hadn't done it, I don't see how thats a bad thing.

It would make more sense to maybe use math or the age old example to support your post, telling someone not to do something because you consider it stupid is not advice its dictating. To advise someone is to tell them the pros and cons of a situation biased in the direction you prefer and then let them make up there own mind.

Did almost the same as your 1st point.

Main was doing some PvP, one of the alts was sitting in a 1.0 system chewing a Veldspar rock with an itty 5.

But then again, if I really want to mine while "paying attention", I take out dedicated mining ships (bonused stuff).

But not all of us "noobs" in are up flying a dedicated miner yet.

We"re still just getting our basic skills up. They say it only takes 2 days to train, but when your just starting out, there is more important things to train than spending 2 days on a dedicated miner you're sure your gonna even stick with.

Cruiser pilots for the rifterlings don't you guys fly rifters like that famous and sweaty rifter society? Maybe just a clever name to trick us

I know this is the Q/A forums and i dont actually have a question. I do however get asked this a lot by new players so i thought i'd just clarify for those new players considering this route.

Industrial ships have huge cargo holds and this leads a LOT of new miners to train for indy's as a mining ship. This is absolutely the worst idea since Michael Jackson thought to himself "hey, i wonder what Macaulay Culkin's up to tonight".

The large cargo hold may make an indy seem like a prime mining ship, IT IS NOT.

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You are an AFK miner. Sitting at your computer doing something else makes you no less an AFK miner. I have clearly stated several times now that the post is not aimed at AFK miners, but at new players being told crap advice BY afk miners like you. Please can we just stop the trolling, every point you have tried to make is already obviously covered in the first post

This tbh.

You get 20K m3 ore in like 45 minutes.
Lets say its veldspar, thats less than 300K ISK per hour. Yea 300.000 ISK per hour....
Thats 1-2 missions.
Well I guess its a lot to some.

Please share your calculation, because I cannot see how the above is even within spitting distance of being correct.

btw I wonder... all races have mining bonus cruisers?
I know now the Amarr have no more mining frigate, and with the winter update no race will have any mining frigate, we will have to move to ORE frigate for that. But what about cruisers?

Osprey is the caldari mining cruisers. But minmatarr, gallantean, amarr, do they have a mining cruiser?