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Zirsa	Posted - 2011.04.01 13:37:00 - [1] Reports are starting to trickle in that bots are being banned en-masse, although only temp banned as of now. However, it looks like bot-detection has been iterated as a first phase. Stock up on isotopes? Even if the bots hang around, if CCP ever does anything this year isotopes should go through the roof? I'd be a bit weary speculating on minerals, just due to the fact that the loss of ratting bots will kill off a good deal of the isk faucet. However, I don't see demand for isotopes dropping anytime soon.
clixoras	Posted - 2011.04.01 13:54:00 - [2] Isotope price has been going up since July last year. Regardless of a 'unholy not so raging' they will go up. Why is the question.
Florestan Bronstein Amarr Taishi Combine	Posted - 2011.04.01 13:54:00 - [3] buy cheap mining characters
Burnharder	Posted - 2011.04.01 13:55:00 - [4] en-masse? Proof? I wouldn't be surprised if they were token gestures aimed at killing the botting threadnought. If mineral prices start to rise, then I'll believe it.
Zirsa	Posted - 2011.04.01 14:02:00 - [5] Originally by: Burnharder en-masse? Proof? I wouldn't be surprised if they were token gestures aimed at killing the botting threadnought. If mineral prices start to rise, then I'll believe it. Just the rumour mill. But I've heard the same thing- multiple times.
Rasz Lin Caldari Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated	Posted - 2011.04.01 14:28:00 - [6] Originally by: Zirsa Reports are starting to trickle in that bots are being banned en-masse, although only temp banned as of now. that was April Fool's Day post, no bans
Claire Voyant	Posted - 2011.04.01 14:29:00 - [7] Originally by: Burnharder en-masse? Proof? Fan Fest-Security It started late last week with a thousand bans. Might take a while to ramp up, but should be a daily occurrence. Initial one day bans are a merely a warning shot. This is all from the video. No idea if the initial focus will be on ratters, miners, or market bots, but isotopes are probably the best pure play. Disclosure: Most of my market assets are in ice and ice products so I am not unbiased.
Gillaboo	Posted - 2011.04.01 17:05:00 - [8] "April Fools" or not, the FANFEST 2011 Security seminar had some serious talk about this. Video of the seminar is available in the usual places. -------------------------------------------------------- This space For Rent.
Zalahar	Posted - 2011.04.01 17:26:00 - [9] I think it remains to be seen if CCP will actually follow through with getting rid of the bots or if this was just lip-service. Much of the economy right now is dependent on botting, a too bold of a move by CCP could endanger the economy far more than letting the bots stay.
Gillaboo	Posted - 2011.04.01 19:31:00 - [10] Originally by: Zalahar Much of the economy right now is dependent on botting, a too bold of a move by CCP could endanger the economy far more than letting the bots stay. Tough call, the argument could either way. BUT I'd say the "bold" move has been made, in the form of hiring IT Security professionals. Bit of waste simply to have them on the payroll otherwise. -------------------------------------------------------- This space For Rent.
Claire Voyant	Posted - 2011.04.01 19:39:00 - [11] Edited by: Claire Voyant on 01/04/2011 19:39:45 Originally by: Zalahar Much of the economy right now is dependent on botting, a too bold of a move by CCP could endanger the economy far more than letting the bots stay. If true, then much of the economy is already broken. I think the video was clear enough that they are going to avoid one-time mass bannings like unholy rage in favor of continual actions so that will temper the effect on the economy as a whole.
Herman Klaus Caldari Touched By Klaus	Posted - 2011.04.01 21:42:00 - [12] Edited by: Herman Klaus on 01/04/2011 21:42:44 I have to be honest I'm a bit of a contract nerd. I can happily sit there for an afternoon browsing contracts for people making mistakes so I can profit. Lately when mistakes happen they are taking a lot longer to be filled. I always suspected bots where somehow catching them in split seconds but didn't know for sure. The way contracts feel lately there has def been a change. It's like there is a good couple of seconds now to score the contract. Edit: spelling
Jessetto	Posted - 2011.04.01 23:57:00 - [13] Confirmed. I know of multiple characters being hit for 14 day bans as a first offence. Also that some of these bots weren't the 23/7 type, and all were mining bots. I believe if you look at server login numbers from last week to this week, especially around DT you'll see the discrepancy...about 1000. Hold onto your isotopic butts, marketeers!
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.04.02 00:00:00 - [14] So mining might be slightly profitable again? Proof or STFU!!
Zirsa	Posted - 2011.04.02 00:05:00 - [15] Originally by: Breaker77 So mining might be slightly profitable again? Proof or STFU!! *Ice Mining Maybe.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.04.02 00:10:00 - [16] Originally by: Zirsa *Ice Mining Maybe. Mineral mining is profitable Since when?
Zalahar	Posted - 2011.04.02 00:18:00 - [17] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Zirsa Ice Mining Maybe. Mineral mining is profitable Since when? Well, technically its always been profitable*. But if CCP limits the number of bots it might become worth doing in certain forms.
Jessetto	Posted - 2011.04.02 01:53:00 - [18] Originally by: Breaker77 So mining might be slightly profitable again? Proof or STFU!! Do your own research!
Maria Mitsui	Posted - 2011.04.02 02:29:00 - [19] Originally by: clixoras Isotope price has been going up since July last year. Regardless of a 'unholy not so raging' they will go up. Why is the question. You know, it takes less than a minute to load the market and check the 4 isotopes sales history - it's clear than over the last 12 months all of them have stayed pretty much the same - mild fluctuations seem to work on a 3-month cycle, roughly, but these only mean a 1 to 2 percent variation around the average. The only exception is that they all dropped quite sharply about 4 or 5 months ago, and have slowly recovered to their former level. Of course, I am talking Jita, and therefore The Forge. But it would be pretty strange if other regions differed substantially.
Gillaboo	Posted - 2011.04.02 11:07:00 - [20] Originally by: Maria MitsuiOf course, I am talking Jita, and therefore The Forge. But it would be pretty strange if other regions differed substantially.[/quote But did you check for available inventories? Carry on. -------------------------------------------------------- This space For Rent.
Dirk Decibel	Posted - 2011.04.02 11:48:00 - [21] Originally by: Maria Mitsui Originally by: clixoras Isotope price has been going up since July last year. Regardless of a 'unholy not so raging' they will go up. Why is the question. You know, it takes less than a minute to load the market and check the 4 isotopes sales history - it's clear than over the last 12 months all of them have stayed pretty much the same - mild fluctuations seem to work on a 3-month cycle, roughly, but these only mean a 1 to 2 percent variation around the average. Are you looking at the same isotopes as me cuz I see pretty significant price changes over the last 12 months.
Claire Voyant	Posted - 2011.04.02 12:45:00 - [22] Originally by: Maria Mitsui You know, it takes less than a minute to load the market and check the 4 isotopes sales history - it's clear than over the last 12 months all of them have stayed pretty much the same - mild fluctuations seem to work on a 3-month cycle, roughly, but these only mean a 1 to 2 percent variation around the average. I love how a 12 month price graph makes everyone an instant expert. The last 12 months have been about as wild a ride in the isotopes market as I've seen over the past five years. Unholy rage followed by a huge crash then hulkaggeddon.
Atima Minmatar House of Marbles	Posted - 2011.04.02 13:42:00 - [23] I hope everyones buying there isotopes :)
Gaius Clabbacus	Posted - 2011.04.02 14:27:00 - [24] Oxygen isotopes are having a blast in Jita atm.
Atima Minmatar House of Marbles	Posted - 2011.04.02 14:31:00 - [25] Im sitting on some volume of them ;)
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.04.02 17:35:00 - [26] Originally by: Gaius Clabbacus Oxygen isotopes are having a blast in Jita atm. That will change if when CCP nerfs the Nyx. That is the main reason they are in such huge demand. Seriously, who uses Gallente control towers besides me.
Jessetto	Posted - 2011.04.02 23:18:00 - [27] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Gaius Clabbacus Oxygen isotopes are having a blast in Jita atm. That will change if when CCP nerfs the Nyx. That is the main reason they are in such huge demand. Seriously, who uses Gallente control towers besides me. Lots of Rorquals, Anshar's and Thanatos's out there. Some people think Gallente towers offer a good balance between CPU and powergid too, poor, misguided people.
Zyracon	Posted - 2011.04.03 00:28:00 - [28] Well somebody's buying them up anyways. Up they go.
Tasko Pal Spallated Garniferous Schist	Posted - 2011.04.03 00:47:00 - [29] Gallente towers provide a lot of storage space for reactions. It means you don't need to be as active in order to run a supply chain for t2 materials.
Admiral Valeris	Posted - 2011.04.03 01:45:00 - [30] Any thoughts on strontium clathrates and heavy water? Strontium at least I thought was a very low yield ice product,only mines in tiny amounts?

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