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Abigail Sebastian
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Posted - 2005.02.05 23:09:00 -
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Fountain Alliance and more exactly The Elite Academy [ELA] does it again. Yesterday I left FA and ELA for a new corporation because I felt that defending hunderds of other Alliance members who would not come out of station was unfair to me and everyone else who has been losing ships and equipment day after day over the past 2 weeks.
When I returned to MN5N-X to collect some stuff and make arrangements on the rest, believing I had a week to move properly, was within ten minutes, told that I needed to get out of core right now. I tried to explain my reasonings to one of my former corp mates, who in turn was relaying it to the CEO. All my thoughts and feelings were met with a stiff "F*&^ Him" and "I will kill him over and over again" by the CEO.
All this from the CEO knowing full well that I had not more than 2 days prior donated over 60 various frigates and cruisers and 9000+ m3 worth of ship modules and ammo to be used by the corp in defence of the region.
Without ever even leaving station and the possibility of aggresive acts coming into play, I was notified that I was immediately placed on the KOS list by (I believe) ELA CEO KOTH Fluf for no better reason than (I believe) the new corp I joined says "Sponsored by ATUK" in it's bio. Mind you this corporation has (afaik) never been seen in Fountain, let alone engaged in any hostilities against any FA pilots, ever.
Like I told my former corp mate, I didn't want to leave and it hurt me to do so. But defending hunderds of other "station huggers" or "carebears" whatever you want to call them, who refuse to defend themselves or their home, was not the kind of game I wanted to play. I will miss each and every "hardcore FA person" that remains there to do their best against all the new enemies that have come down for a visit.
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Sebastian
Arcane Technologies
Handing out cans of whoop azz, no charge!! |
Chucky
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Posted - 2005.02.05 23:52:00 -
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Why does your new corp have "Sponsored by ATUK" in there corp title and what does it mean?
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Murgent
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Posted - 2005.02.06 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: Murgent on 06/02/2005 00:01:59
I'm not exactly sure. 1. We live in ATUK controlled space, or 2. ATUK sponsored them as members to the FSA. But for an exact quote, you would need to ask my CEO, John McCreedy or an ATUK member.
EDIT: i don't know why but it keeps changing my main character post selection.
Sebastian
EVE Defence Force
Free Space Alliance
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Abigail Sebastian
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Posted - 2005.02.06 00:05:00 -
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Edited by: Abigail Sebastian on 06/02/2005 00:13:07
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Sebastian
Arcane Technologies
Handing out cans of whoop azz, no charge!! |
Killer Gandry
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Posted - 2005.02.06 01:36:00 -
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It's sad to see that the same people you flew with in defending your space turn on you the very next day.
Alone out of the fact you fought with them they should have shown you the respect as to give you atleast a week to get your stuff out.
If any member of my corporation wishes to leave and joins a corp we are at war with I will still give him the opportunity to come get his stuff to his new location.
It's called honor amongst people who flew at the same side for a certain time.
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Droidster
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Posted - 2005.02.06 02:07:00 -
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I guess the lesson is to move your stuff first. 
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BlackMatrix
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Posted - 2005.02.06 02:20:00 -
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Edited by: BlackMatrix on 06/02/2005 02:20:01
 Originally by: Abigail Sebastian
I was immediately placed on the KOS list by
Standard FA operating protocol i'm afraid if you try and leave you're KOS.
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Dyvim Slorm
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Posted - 2005.02.06 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Droidster
I guess the lesson is to move your stuff first.
Sadly true
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Adam C
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Posted - 2005.02.06 04:05:00 -
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Edited by: Adam C on 06/02/2005 04:07:18
one more example of "poor leadership" on FA part oh well dooms day coming ehh?
oh and get all ure stuff out b4 u make enemies. hehe
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thelung187
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Posted - 2005.02.06 06:54:00 -
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lmfao, par for the course these days
[ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something |
Kralor Darkilon
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Posted - 2005.02.06 06:56:00 -
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Edited by: Kralor Darkilon on 06/02/2005 07:03:46
Sebastian...
I totally know how you feel. It sucks that we can have upwards of 200 people in the military channel and we can't get people to come out to stomp on the relatively small number of invaders that come in at any given time. I do agree that it wrong for the same small number of people to constantly be out there ready to defend Fountain while the rest keep doing whatever it is they do (sit in stations...run around clueless to get ganked by hostiles, etc.). There's over two thousand members of the Fountain Alliance and it's the same small number of people out and those forces get split between two places when they should all be in one place..Fountain.
I was shocked that you had decided to leave, man. You were one of the people that made living in Fountain fun for me. You had a great attitude and you talked a good game about being an ELA/FA die-hard. The next thing I know you've joined some other corp...a corp "sponsored" by stated enemies of Fountain. If you don't think that's going to **** people off, especially since it was done with no warning and little or no word, then you're kidding yourself. Frankly, I can understand people's reactions, my friend.
If you had done things another way, I'm sure things would have worked out differently. People have been able to leave FA and ELA peacefully, amicably and without incident....unless they do something to change the nature of their departure. Let's not forget that.
I'm sorry to see things go sour like this. I'm saddened that you left us and I'm going to miss you, bro. We had some good times and you're a good guy. I wish you had chosen another path. I felt you were one of our core people and it really sucks to lose you.
Things took the course they did before I even knew you had left to join another corp. I bear you no ill-will and if it were up to me and you had come correct and let us all know you were going and asked for the time to get your stuff, I'd have only been too happy to help any way I could.
To see you come in here and post this junk in this forum really does kind of suck though, man. Not cool.
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Seth Killbain
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Posted - 2005.02.06 09:48:00 -
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Surely its a bit overkill? Getting in cheap shots like a school yard bully.
The fact he had contributed a hell of a lot to FA from the sounds of it, means nothing?
Glad i never had dreams of comming your way.
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Mad Bomber
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Posted - 2005.02.06 09:58:00 -
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Standard FA procedure
FA will fall and doing this is only speeding up the process, I have seen alot of FA PvP pilots leave, Time to admit you made a few mistakes Torn?
FA only has miners left now that why no-one is undocking.
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dabster
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Posted - 2005.02.06 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Abigail Sebastian
I was notified that I was immediately placed on the KOS list by (I believe) ELA CEO KOTH Fluf for no better reason than (I believe) the new corp I joined says "Sponsored by ATUK" in it's bio.
Why would anybody NOT want to kos you for that?
Atuk = sworn enemies = anything associated with them -> KOS
Why is this not logical?
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Snapp
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Posted - 2005.02.06 11:21:00 -
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So I'm thinking it has something to do with this, and what a little birdy told someone.
If I was a gambler, wich I assure you I am not. I would lay even odds on the above posting in atuks forums won you the KOS, but then that is mere speculation on my part.
it's a game, and people switch sides. deal with it, move on and everyone stop taking everything so personal
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empire nublette
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Posted - 2005.02.06 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Snapp
So I'm thinking it has something to do with this, and what a little birdy told someone.
If I was a gambler, wich I assure you I am not. I would lay even odds on the above posting in atuks forums won you the KOS, but then that is mere speculation on my part.
it's a game, and people switch sides. deal with it, move on and everyone stop taking everything so personal
lol pwned
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Aulora
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Posted - 2005.02.06 14:18:00 -
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Yes, sleeping with the enemy and then complaining about being KOS.
I guess FA doesnt like the prospect of you using the benefits you got from being in it against them.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.06 14:40:00 -
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Well seeing how fa treats its former friends and pilots its safe to guess they are kinda desperate.
Striking down hard on ppl who leave and ruling with pressure (if you leave you are kos and wont get your equipment out) are usually the last straws of falling tyrants.
Atleast ppl known now what to exspect and how to avoid it. Namely move your stuff out in secret and join a corp once your yz hangars are empty.
Treating ppl who leave in dignity and show right away where they go this way and complaining about spies and traitors on the otherhand is kinda rich. More comedy from FA...
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empire nublette
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Posted - 2005.02.06 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim
Well seeing how fa treats its former friends and pilots its safe to guess they are kinda desperate.
Striking down hard on ppl who leave and ruling with pressure (if you leave you are kos and wont get your equipment out) are usually the last straws of falling tyrants.
Atleast ppl known now what to exspect and how to avoid it. Namely move your stuff out in secret and join a corp once your yz hangars are empty.
Treating ppl who leave in dignity and show right away where they go this way and complaining about spies and traitors on the otherhand is kinda rich. More comedy from FA...
omg it's kcel chim, former fa, former friend of fa and current enemy of fa.
if leaving to go to the enemy during an ongoing war isn't a hostile act then i don't know what is.
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Wyclef
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Posted - 2005.02.06 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim
Well seeing how fa treats its former friends and pilots its safe to guess they are kinda desperate.
Striking down hard on ppl who leave and ruling with pressure (if you leave you are kos and wont get your equipment out) are usually the last straws of falling tyrants.
Atleast ppl known now what to exspect and how to avoid it. Namely move your stuff out in secret and join a corp once your yz hangars are empty.
Treating ppl who leave in dignity and show right away where they go this way and complaining about spies and traitors on the otherhand is kinda rich. More comedy from FA...
How about reading the whole thread next time.
'leaving in dignity' <- hint, the error
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Pesadilla
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Posted - 2005.02.06 15:26:00 -
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yep a clear case of backstabbing
joining the enemy during war is that
i just wonder why u run to the boards to point out what u did
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Richard Sayre
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Posted - 2005.02.06 16:14:00 -
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Edited {Inaproriate comment} - <Mulciber Zephron>
This would be funny if you weren't totally serious. Oh, wait, it still wouldn't be funny.
How old are you, 8?
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NAFnist
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Posted - 2005.02.06 16:20:00 -
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Well the backstabbing part is kinda your doing. You are the backstabber here, and Ill will show no mercy.
/OOC
Sorry to see you go mate, we had great fun. Good fortune in your future endavours 
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.02.06 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 06/02/2005 17:05:11
So FA's declared war on the Free Space Alliance? Noted.
Abigail, have a word with ATUK - during the times we're cruising arround YZ looking for targets I'm sure we can let you fly out with us.
Kralor, this is precisely why a lot of the more millitant members of our enemy end up flying with us. Because we are basically ALL on the battlefield.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Abigail Sebastian
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Posted - 2005.02.06 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Abigail Sebastian on 06/02/2005 18:18:44
Please understand, I am not complaining about being added to the KOS list because of where I moved to. I understand the logistics behind it completely. But so soon? Without even 24 hours passing? It's not right, period.I should have been given a fair week especially after all I have done for FA. That's all i'm saying.
And as fas as the link to the ATUK forums and my post there, yeah, I did it. Because the few poeple of ATUK have shown far more ability and teamwork than the hundreds if not thousands of FA ever has (there are execptions to this and they know who they are!) And that is the type of game I want to play, where everyone around you is willing to sacrifice all they have for an ideal or hell, just for a good time.
If you don't know what I am refering to i'm sure someone in FA can tell you about the time they jumped into 75FA-Z knowing the trap that was set-up and what was waiting on the other side.
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Sebastian
Arcane Technologies
Handing out cans of whoop azz, no charge!! |
Noemie
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Posted - 2005.02.06 19:06:00 -
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Im trying to understand where the hell FA is responsible for your KOS status.
Jesus man, when you **** off your CEO dont blame the whole alliance.
This thread simply proove a EXCELLENT reason for you to be KoS.
No hard feeling, this is only a game dude... dont go cry mommy everytime stuff don'T go your way(you should know, you were FA)
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.06 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Wyclef
How about reading the whole thread next time.
'leaving in dignity' <- hint, the error
I did read the whole thread.
I find it personally much more upright and open to leave and telling where i go for instead of sneaking out like a thief in the night and "coming as a surprise".
That you dont like him joining a corp "sponsored by atuk" (tho i actually doubt you have a clue what that phrase means) is one thing. Agree to disagree with him on that decision, its his own.
That you need to take a cheap shot on someone who has donated and helped your alliance through thick and thin (by word of his own FA comrades) is just lame.
What will you achieve by shooting him ?
"Justice" ? Hardly as the person in question is not even going to fight you but joining a mining corp on the other end of the universe.
"keeping a friendship" ? Doubt it, the person will most likely look to get a combat active role against those ppl who did him "wrong".
Letting him leave would have cost you nothing. Shooting him bought you bad pr and ppl who leave in future will prolly be more backhanded....
P.S. FA alts / mains dont use the word backstabber too much, considering FA's history and the current situation it makes you look like tards.
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empire nublette
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Posted - 2005.02.06 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: empire nublette on 06/02/2005 20:46:13
Originally by: Kcel Chim
P.S. FA alts / mains dont use the word backstabber too much, considering FA's history and the current situation it makes you look like tards.
then i better stop before i look like you 
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Calean
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Posted - 2005.02.06 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Abigail Sebastian
Edited by: Abigail Sebastian on 06/02/2005 18:18:44
If you don't know what I am refering to i'm sure someone in FA can tell you about the time they jumped into 75FA-Z knowing the trap that was set-up and what was waiting on the other side.
I saw that video, it took balls to do. But what the video did not show was that they got slaughtered for it.
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Padovar Adandur
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Posted - 2005.02.06 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Droidster
I guess the lesson is to move your stuff first.
That is what most players/corporations are told infact. And the clever ones make good use of it 
Originally by: BlackMatrix
Edited by: BlackMatrix on 06/02/2005 02:20:01
Originally by: Abigail Sebastian
I was immediately placed on the KOS list by
Standard FA operating protocol i'm afraid if you try and leave you're KOS.
To you, and the bandwagon anti-FA propagandists:
It is not a FA issue. It is an ELA corp issue.
However, putting someone on the KOS list makes sense when that person has just (publically) expressed his desire to join a hostile corporation.
FA as a whole or any of the member-corporations alone will not, when able, allow pilots in hostile corporations/alliances a safe trip through Fountain.
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Treating ppl who leave in dignity and show right away where they go this way and complaining about spies and traitors on the otherhand is kinda rich. More comedy from FA...
On a personal note, I find this statement vaguely amusing for its hypocritical value. Do you remember why you felt so strong against me joining Xanadu?
I believe it had something to do with me spying on your alliance in Planetarion, correct? Yet, if I'm not mistaken, you make no big deal about people, who have done the same in your advantage, to join your corporation. (Not even when they reside in the top-levels of the corporation.)
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