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Abigail Sebastian
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Posted - 2005.02.05 23:09:00 -
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Fountain Alliance and more exactly The Elite Academy [ELA] does it again. Yesterday I left FA and ELA for a new corporation because I felt that defending hunderds of other Alliance members who would not come out of station was unfair to me and everyone else who has been losing ships and equipment day after day over the past 2 weeks.
When I returned to MN5N-X to collect some stuff and make arrangements on the rest, believing I had a week to move properly, was within ten minutes, told that I needed to get out of core right now. I tried to explain my reasonings to one of my former corp mates, who in turn was relaying it to the CEO. All my thoughts and feelings were met with a stiff "F*&^ Him" and "I will kill him over and over again" by the CEO.
All this from the CEO knowing full well that I had not more than 2 days prior donated over 60 various frigates and cruisers and 9000+ m3 worth of ship modules and ammo to be used by the corp in defence of the region.
Without ever even leaving station and the possibility of aggresive acts coming into play, I was notified that I was immediately placed on the KOS list by (I believe) ELA CEO KOTH Fluf for no better reason than (I believe) the new corp I joined says "Sponsored by ATUK" in it's bio. Mind you this corporation has (afaik) never been seen in Fountain, let alone engaged in any hostilities against any FA pilots, ever.
Like I told my former corp mate, I didn't want to leave and it hurt me to do so. But defending hunderds of other "station huggers" or "carebears" whatever you want to call them, who refuse to defend themselves or their home, was not the kind of game I wanted to play. I will miss each and every "hardcore FA person" that remains there to do their best against all the new enemies that have come down for a visit.
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Sebastian
Arcane Technologies
Handing out cans of whoop azz, no charge!! |
Chucky
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Posted - 2005.02.05 23:52:00 -
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Why does your new corp have "Sponsored by ATUK" in there corp title and what does it mean?
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Murgent
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Posted - 2005.02.06 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: Murgent on 06/02/2005 00:01:59
I'm not exactly sure. 1. We live in ATUK controlled space, or 2. ATUK sponsored them as members to the FSA. But for an exact quote, you would need to ask my CEO, John McCreedy or an ATUK member.
EDIT: i don't know why but it keeps changing my main character post selection.
Sebastian
EVE Defence Force
Free Space Alliance
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Abigail Sebastian
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Posted - 2005.02.06 00:05:00 -
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Edited by: Abigail Sebastian on 06/02/2005 00:13:07
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Sebastian
Arcane Technologies
Handing out cans of whoop azz, no charge!! |
Killer Gandry
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Posted - 2005.02.06 01:36:00 -
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It's sad to see that the same people you flew with in defending your space turn on you the very next day.
Alone out of the fact you fought with them they should have shown you the respect as to give you atleast a week to get your stuff out.
If any member of my corporation wishes to leave and joins a corp we are at war with I will still give him the opportunity to come get his stuff to his new location.
It's called honor amongst people who flew at the same side for a certain time.
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Droidster
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Posted - 2005.02.06 02:07:00 -
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I guess the lesson is to move your stuff first. 
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BlackMatrix
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Posted - 2005.02.06 02:20:00 -
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Edited by: BlackMatrix on 06/02/2005 02:20:01
 Originally by: Abigail Sebastian
I was immediately placed on the KOS list by
Standard FA operating protocol i'm afraid if you try and leave you're KOS.
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Dyvim Slorm
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Posted - 2005.02.06 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Droidster
I guess the lesson is to move your stuff first.
Sadly true
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Adam C
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Posted - 2005.02.06 04:05:00 -
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Edited by: Adam C on 06/02/2005 04:07:18
one more example of "poor leadership" on FA part oh well dooms day coming ehh?
oh and get all ure stuff out b4 u make enemies. hehe
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thelung187
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Posted - 2005.02.06 06:54:00 -
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lmfao, par for the course these days
[ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something |
Kralor Darkilon
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Posted - 2005.02.06 06:56:00 -
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Edited by: Kralor Darkilon on 06/02/2005 07:03:46
Sebastian...
I totally know how you feel. It sucks that we can have upwards of 200 people in the military channel and we can't get people to come out to stomp on the relatively small number of invaders that come in at any given time. I do agree that it wrong for the same small number of people to constantly be out there ready to defend Fountain while the rest keep doing whatever it is they do (sit in stations...run around clueless to get ganked by hostiles, etc.). There's over two thousand members of the Fountain Alliance and it's the same small number of people out and those forces get split between two places when they should all be in one place..Fountain.
I was shocked that you had decided to leave, man. You were one of the people that made living in Fountain fun for me. You had a great attitude and you talked a good game about being an ELA/FA die-hard. The next thing I know you've joined some other corp...a corp "sponsored" by stated enemies of Fountain. If you don't think that's going to **** people off, especially since it was done with no warning and little or no word, then you're kidding yourself. Frankly, I can understand people's reactions, my friend.
If you had done things another way, I'm sure things would have worked out differently. People have been able to leave FA and ELA peacefully, amicably and without incident....unless they do something to change the nature of their departure. Let's not forget that.
I'm sorry to see things go sour like this. I'm saddened that you left us and I'm going to miss you, bro. We had some good times and you're a good guy. I wish you had chosen another path. I felt you were one of our core people and it really sucks to lose you.
Things took the course they did before I even knew you had left to join another corp. I bear you no ill-will and if it were up to me and you had come correct and let us all know you were going and asked for the time to get your stuff, I'd have only been too happy to help any way I could.
To see you come in here and post this junk in this forum really does kind of suck though, man. Not cool.
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Seth Killbain
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Posted - 2005.02.06 09:48:00 -
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Surely its a bit overkill? Getting in cheap shots like a school yard bully.
The fact he had contributed a hell of a lot to FA from the sounds of it, means nothing?
Glad i never had dreams of comming your way.
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Mad Bomber
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Posted - 2005.02.06 09:58:00 -
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Standard FA procedure
FA will fall and doing this is only speeding up the process, I have seen alot of FA PvP pilots leave, Time to admit you made a few mistakes Torn?
FA only has miners left now that why no-one is undocking.
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dabster
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Posted - 2005.02.06 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Abigail Sebastian
I was notified that I was immediately placed on the KOS list by (I believe) ELA CEO KOTH Fluf for no better reason than (I believe) the new corp I joined says "Sponsored by ATUK" in it's bio.
Why would anybody NOT want to kos you for that?
Atuk = sworn enemies = anything associated with them -> KOS
Why is this not logical?
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Snapp
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Posted - 2005.02.06 11:21:00 -
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So I'm thinking it has something to do with this, and what a little birdy told someone.
If I was a gambler, wich I assure you I am not. I would lay even odds on the above posting in atuks forums won you the KOS, but then that is mere speculation on my part.
it's a game, and people switch sides. deal with it, move on and everyone stop taking everything so personal
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empire nublette
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Posted - 2005.02.06 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Snapp
So I'm thinking it has something to do with this, and what a little birdy told someone.
If I was a gambler, wich I assure you I am not. I would lay even odds on the above posting in atuks forums won you the KOS, but then that is mere speculation on my part.
it's a game, and people switch sides. deal with it, move on and everyone stop taking everything so personal
lol pwned
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Aulora
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Posted - 2005.02.06 14:18:00 -
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Yes, sleeping with the enemy and then complaining about being KOS.
I guess FA doesnt like the prospect of you using the benefits you got from being in it against them.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.06 14:40:00 -
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Well seeing how fa treats its former friends and pilots its safe to guess they are kinda desperate.
Striking down hard on ppl who leave and ruling with pressure (if you leave you are kos and wont get your equipment out) are usually the last straws of falling tyrants.
Atleast ppl known now what to exspect and how to avoid it. Namely move your stuff out in secret and join a corp once your yz hangars are empty.
Treating ppl who leave in dignity and show right away where they go this way and complaining about spies and traitors on the otherhand is kinda rich. More comedy from FA...
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empire nublette
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Posted - 2005.02.06 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim
Well seeing how fa treats its former friends and pilots its safe to guess they are kinda desperate.
Striking down hard on ppl who leave and ruling with pressure (if you leave you are kos and wont get your equipment out) are usually the last straws of falling tyrants.
Atleast ppl known now what to exspect and how to avoid it. Namely move your stuff out in secret and join a corp once your yz hangars are empty.
Treating ppl who leave in dignity and show right away where they go this way and complaining about spies and traitors on the otherhand is kinda rich. More comedy from FA...
omg it's kcel chim, former fa, former friend of fa and current enemy of fa.
if leaving to go to the enemy during an ongoing war isn't a hostile act then i don't know what is.
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Wyclef
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Posted - 2005.02.06 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim
Well seeing how fa treats its former friends and pilots its safe to guess they are kinda desperate.
Striking down hard on ppl who leave and ruling with pressure (if you leave you are kos and wont get your equipment out) are usually the last straws of falling tyrants.
Atleast ppl known now what to exspect and how to avoid it. Namely move your stuff out in secret and join a corp once your yz hangars are empty.
Treating ppl who leave in dignity and show right away where they go this way and complaining about spies and traitors on the otherhand is kinda rich. More comedy from FA...
How about reading the whole thread next time.
'leaving in dignity' <- hint, the error
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Pesadilla
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Posted - 2005.02.06 15:26:00 -
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yep a clear case of backstabbing
joining the enemy during war is that
i just wonder why u run to the boards to point out what u did
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Richard Sayre
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Posted - 2005.02.06 16:14:00 -
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Edited {Inaproriate comment} - <Mulciber Zephron>
This would be funny if you weren't totally serious. Oh, wait, it still wouldn't be funny.
How old are you, 8?
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NAFnist
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Posted - 2005.02.06 16:20:00 -
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Well the backstabbing part is kinda your doing. You are the backstabber here, and Ill will show no mercy.
/OOC
Sorry to see you go mate, we had great fun. Good fortune in your future endavours 
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.02.06 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 06/02/2005 17:05:11
So FA's declared war on the Free Space Alliance? Noted.
Abigail, have a word with ATUK - during the times we're cruising arround YZ looking for targets I'm sure we can let you fly out with us.
Kralor, this is precisely why a lot of the more millitant members of our enemy end up flying with us. Because we are basically ALL on the battlefield.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Abigail Sebastian
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Posted - 2005.02.06 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Abigail Sebastian on 06/02/2005 18:18:44
Please understand, I am not complaining about being added to the KOS list because of where I moved to. I understand the logistics behind it completely. But so soon? Without even 24 hours passing? It's not right, period.I should have been given a fair week especially after all I have done for FA. That's all i'm saying.
And as fas as the link to the ATUK forums and my post there, yeah, I did it. Because the few poeple of ATUK have shown far more ability and teamwork than the hundreds if not thousands of FA ever has (there are execptions to this and they know who they are!) And that is the type of game I want to play, where everyone around you is willing to sacrifice all they have for an ideal or hell, just for a good time.
If you don't know what I am refering to i'm sure someone in FA can tell you about the time they jumped into 75FA-Z knowing the trap that was set-up and what was waiting on the other side.
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Arcane Technologies
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Noemie
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Posted - 2005.02.06 19:06:00 -
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Im trying to understand where the hell FA is responsible for your KOS status.
Jesus man, when you **** off your CEO dont blame the whole alliance.
This thread simply proove a EXCELLENT reason for you to be KoS.
No hard feeling, this is only a game dude... dont go cry mommy everytime stuff don'T go your way(you should know, you were FA)
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.06 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Wyclef
How about reading the whole thread next time.
'leaving in dignity' <- hint, the error
I did read the whole thread.
I find it personally much more upright and open to leave and telling where i go for instead of sneaking out like a thief in the night and "coming as a surprise".
That you dont like him joining a corp "sponsored by atuk" (tho i actually doubt you have a clue what that phrase means) is one thing. Agree to disagree with him on that decision, its his own.
That you need to take a cheap shot on someone who has donated and helped your alliance through thick and thin (by word of his own FA comrades) is just lame.
What will you achieve by shooting him ?
"Justice" ? Hardly as the person in question is not even going to fight you but joining a mining corp on the other end of the universe.
"keeping a friendship" ? Doubt it, the person will most likely look to get a combat active role against those ppl who did him "wrong".
Letting him leave would have cost you nothing. Shooting him bought you bad pr and ppl who leave in future will prolly be more backhanded....
P.S. FA alts / mains dont use the word backstabber too much, considering FA's history and the current situation it makes you look like tards.
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empire nublette
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Posted - 2005.02.06 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: empire nublette on 06/02/2005 20:46:13
Originally by: Kcel Chim
P.S. FA alts / mains dont use the word backstabber too much, considering FA's history and the current situation it makes you look like tards.
then i better stop before i look like you 
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Calean
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Posted - 2005.02.06 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Abigail Sebastian
Edited by: Abigail Sebastian on 06/02/2005 18:18:44
If you don't know what I am refering to i'm sure someone in FA can tell you about the time they jumped into 75FA-Z knowing the trap that was set-up and what was waiting on the other side.
I saw that video, it took balls to do. But what the video did not show was that they got slaughtered for it.
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Padovar Adandur
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Posted - 2005.02.06 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Droidster
I guess the lesson is to move your stuff first.
That is what most players/corporations are told infact. And the clever ones make good use of it 
Originally by: BlackMatrix
Edited by: BlackMatrix on 06/02/2005 02:20:01
Originally by: Abigail Sebastian
I was immediately placed on the KOS list by
Standard FA operating protocol i'm afraid if you try and leave you're KOS.
To you, and the bandwagon anti-FA propagandists:
It is not a FA issue. It is an ELA corp issue.
However, putting someone on the KOS list makes sense when that person has just (publically) expressed his desire to join a hostile corporation.
FA as a whole or any of the member-corporations alone will not, when able, allow pilots in hostile corporations/alliances a safe trip through Fountain.
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Treating ppl who leave in dignity and show right away where they go this way and complaining about spies and traitors on the otherhand is kinda rich. More comedy from FA...
On a personal note, I find this statement vaguely amusing for its hypocritical value. Do you remember why you felt so strong against me joining Xanadu?
I believe it had something to do with me spying on your alliance in Planetarion, correct? Yet, if I'm not mistaken, you make no big deal about people, who have done the same in your advantage, to join your corporation. (Not even when they reside in the top-levels of the corporation.)
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benwallace
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Posted - 2005.02.06 23:59:00 -
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Inaproriate comment removed
Edited {Inaproriate comment removed} - <Mulciber Zephron>
This would be funny if you weren't totally serious. Oh, wait, it still wouldn't be funny.
How old are you, 8?
7 and 1 half
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.07 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Padovar Adandur
To you, and the bandwagon anti-FA propagandists:
It is not a FA issue. It is an ELA corp issue.
However, putting someone on the KOS list makes sense when that person has just (publically) expressed his desire to join a hostile corporation.
FA as a whole or any of the member-corporations alone will not, when able, allow pilots in hostile corporations/alliances a safe trip through Fountain.
1 corp setting someone to "KOS" for the whole alliance its an alliance issue...
However the person in question did not join a hostile corporation. Infact he joined a corp not even having any ties with you..... (FSA is free space alliance)
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On a personal note, I find this statement vaguely amusing for its hypocritical value. Do you remember why you felt so strong against me joining Xanadu?
I believe it had something to do with me spying on your alliance in Planetarion, correct? Yet, if I'm not mistaken, you make no big deal about people, who have done the same in your advantage, to join your corporation. (Not even when they reside in the top-levels of the corporation.)
I dont make issues out of that youre right, spying is a part of the game. I didnt like you in particular cause you acted afterward like a **** trying to rub it in and telling ppl how leet you are.
Like you classified it, that was something personal.
On a sidenote if i had made a big deal out of "playing with former spies" we both know i wouldnt have applied to xan. Tho Hjorten (who also spied) is a person i enjoy company and talking 2....
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NAFnist
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Posted - 2005.02.07 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim
Originally by: Wyclef
How about reading the whole thread next time.
'leaving in dignity' <- hint, the error
I did read the whole thread.
I find it personally much more upright and open to leave and telling where i go for instead of sneaking out like a thief in the night and "coming as a surprise".
That you dont like him joining a corp "sponsored by atuk" (tho i actually doubt you have a clue what that phrase means) is one thing. Agree to disagree with him on that decision, its his own.
That you need to take a cheap shot on someone who has donated and helped your alliance through thick and thin (by word of his own FA comrades) is just lame.
What will you achieve by shooting him ?
"Justice" ? Hardly as the person in question is not even going to fight you but joining a mining corp on the other end of the universe.
"keeping a friendship" ? Doubt it, the person will most likely look to get a combat active role against those ppl who did him "wrong".
Letting him leave would have cost you nothing. Shooting him bought you bad pr and ppl who leave in future will prolly be more backhanded....
P.S. FA alts / mains dont use the word backstabber too much, considering FA's history and the current situation it makes you look like tards.
EvE is like the biggest soap-opera since The Hourglass of my Sandchildren
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John McCreedy
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Posted - 2005.02.07 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: dabster
Originally by: Abigail Sebastian
I was notified that I was immediately placed on the KOS list by (I believe) ELA CEO KOTH Fluf for no better reason than (I believe) the new corp I joined says "Sponsored by ATUK" in it's bio.
Why would anybody NOT want to kos you for that?
Atuk = sworn enemies = anything associated with them -> KOS
Why is this not logical?
Hmmm, maybe because "Sponsored by ATUK" means we're allowed to operate in their space and have not contributed to them militarily. Yet. Shoot one of my members and you'll add yet another enemy to that growing list of yours.
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 06/02/2005 17:05:11
So FA's declared war on the Free Space Alliance? Noted.
Abigail, have a word with ATUK - during the times we're cruising arround YZ looking for targets I'm sure we can let you fly out with us.
Kralor, this is precisely why a lot of the more millitant members of our enemy end up flying with us. Because we are basically ALL on the battlefield.
Maya, I've already spoken to ATUK, thanks for the offer.
Make a difference
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Snapp
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Posted - 2005.02.07 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim
"How about reading the whole thread next time.
'leaving in dignity' <- hint, the error"
I did read the whole thread.
I find it personally much more upright and open to leave and telling where i go for instead of sneaking out like a thief in the night and "coming as a surprise".
That you dont like him joining a corp "sponsored by atuk" (tho i actually doubt you have a clue what that phrase means) is one thing.
So, are you saying, that A) it's OK to not tell anyone that not only are you leaving your corporation, but are infact trying in ernest to join it's enemies. and in doing so, leave with out any warning at all. no nuthing, in fact the first thing the People of your corp catch wind of it is by browsing thru an enemy forum/kill site?
or B) you would deem this a breach in trust, proving that this character is not to be trusted, and to not turn tail the next time things look bleak? Discuss please Kcel :)
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Letting him leave would have cost you nothing. Shooting him bought you bad pr and ppl who leave in future will prolly be more backhanded....
He did not get shot! by either the ATUK forces or by the FA forces, and as for it being a Corp or Aliance matter. the Aliance works together to police it's borders, if an individual is deemed inapropriate to be within those borders then would it not be best to relay that information to it's defence forces? just curious on that one.
and as for Sponsored by equaling, well in my opinion that means that either A) the corps are cowering and groveling to be allowed to remain in 0.0, or B) are directly contributing to the war efforts of the Sponsoring nation, by either Directly supplying ships/ammo/mods ect... or in the contributions/tributes of isk, or what have you. So all in All a Valid target in a war time situation no?
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Padovar Adandur
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Posted - 2005.02.07 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim
1 corp setting someone to "KOS" for the whole alliance its an alliance issue...
Which makes it a corp-player issue with effects/consequences for the alliance.
Originally by: Kcel Chim
I dont make issues out of that youre right, spying is a part of the game. I didnt like you in particular cause you acted afterward like a **** trying to rub it in and telling ppl how leet you are.
No, that was with the cheating thing. About spying I didn't say a word, only when asked about it.
I have read the recruitment posts, you see. Especially your discussion with Bully was a nice read. It often involved terms like "loyalty", "trust", "betrayal". And you didn't use this "bragging"-argument.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.07 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Snapp
So, are you saying, that A) it's OK to not tell anyone that not only are you leaving your corporation, but are infact trying in ernest to join it's enemies. and in doing so, leave with out any warning at all.
no nuthing, in fact the first thing the People of your corp catch wind of it is by browsing thru an enemy forum/kill site?
Regardless for who you leave, would you inform an alliance which is known to shoot its leavers and tries to mark them as traitors / backstabbers to appear like a victim to the public ?
Afterall its a game and the person in question pays his accounts and wanted a change of environment.
You missunderstand that he doesnt have to inform you, doesnt have to justify it and owes you no explination.
In the end of the day its a game.
If the person (based on your bad reputation) had to fear beeing shot at etc it is understandable he would have prefered to get things "in line" before he leaves.
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or B) you would deem this a breach in trust, proving that this character is not to be trusted, and to not turn tail the next time things look bleak? Discuss please Kcel :)
Trust is a very hard thing in an online game. Im sure his new employers (ouch right, we play an economy game) will have trust in him, otherwise they would have denied his joining.
Regarding things looking bleak, maybe the guy in question lost the faith in the ppl who produced this situation. Tornsoul and the alikes making bad calls....
Maybe the person in question didnt like the situation anymore (with alot of ppl not fighting for the cause and earning isk in empire while he puts his values on the line).
Reading those maybes it could be he got miffed of the FA and wanted to leave. So dont sell "beeing FA" equal to "beein in paradise" as it doesnt match and its not hard to understand why ppl might want to leave, be it under pressure or simply cause they cant stand you bunch anymore...
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He did not get shot! by either the ATUK forces or by the FA forces, and as for it being a Corp or Aliance matter. the Aliance works together to police it's borders, if an individual is deemed inapropriate to be within those borders then would it not be best to relay that information to it's defence forces? just curious on that one.
He got set on Kos, beeing shot or not.
You forgot to mention why he is inappropriate (cause he joined an industrial corp having access to 0.0 space?).
Thats through and through alot of bollox.
However if you have a fine person, a person who defended your borders over and over and even donated to your effort. This person would be worth free leaving, regardless where he goes.
Thats like demolishing the car of your favourite athlet leaving your team for another, wont change much but aslong as it makes you feel better.... 
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and as for Sponsored by equaling, well in my opinion that means that either A) the corps are cowering and groveling to be allowed to remain in 0.0, or B) are directly contributing to the war efforts of the Sponsoring nation, by either Directly supplying ships/ammo/mods ect... or in the contributions/tributes of isk, or what have you. So all in All a Valid target in a war time situation no?
Both wrong. Shows how much you not know...
The persons in question have a "pass" to former CA regions. The sponsoring indicates who gave them the pass of the allied forces (XF / Stain / Atuk).
However those corps work completely serpate in that region, minding their own business.
So yes, as much as it might hurt you, you did it again. You shot neutrals and made new "friends". congratz.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.07 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Padovar Adandur
Which makes it a corp-player issue with effects/consequences for the alliance.
Yes, aslong as single directors are allowed to make decisions for the whole alliance, you will see those incidents. Noone to blame but yourself.
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No, that was with the cheating thing. About spying I didn't say a word, only when asked about it.
I have read the recruitment posts, you see. Especially your discussion with Bully was a nice read. It often involved terms like "loyalty", "trust", "betrayal". And you didn't use this "bragging"-argument.
I didnt like you as a person (which i made perfectly clear) and i didnt like the way you used to spy (beeing friends with a director who vouched 100% for you based on a long history and the same ideals you have sworn to on joining xan). Infact if it wasnt for him, you wouldnt have made it in back then (tho that is now derailing as it hasnt anything to do with shooting neutrals / leavers etc).
As i see it not fitting this discussion, you can take it to private as it will only get this thread locked for going offtopic.
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empire nublette
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Posted - 2005.02.07 11:50:00 -
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i remember dear kcel chim getting a free card out of fountain although he was still a member of mace.
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.02.07 11:59:00 -
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When you leave a corp, you leave with both the trust of your fellow (ex-)members and presumably a whole lot of secrets, passwords and suchthings. Hence it is usually considered prudent to not join the enemy right afterwards, and then assume your former friends will love you regardless. Even if you "bribed" them with frigates and cruisers and a mountain of modules, you are leaving with information that is probably much more valuable than what you gave.
ELA's reaction was understandable and frankly, it was wise. You switched sides. Don't expect them to treat you differently than other enemies.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.07 12:08:00 -
[41]
Originally by: empire nublette
i remember dear kcel chim getting a free card out of fountain although he was still a member of mace.
then your memory isnt very good.
I left Fountain as a member of Xanadu, moved into aridia where i stored my "yz stuff" (1 indy full) in a system where i had already stored stuff throughout my FA times.
This was already done a month before i left as i informed my superiors in Xan that i possibly plan to leave due to FA not "beeing my thing" anymore (was undecided and waiting on how things develop in the FA/Xan as requested by Sastul).
From Aridia i ventured on to empire and joined a new corp about 1.5 weeks later as i was away irl for that period of time.
During the time i was in mace i did not visit one system belonging to Fountain core. Eversince i stayed away until the recent atuk operation.
Shows again why alts shouldnt be allowed to post. No clue, no credibility.
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Dogsta
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Posted - 2005.02.07 14:23:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Abigail Sebastian
Edited by: Abigail Sebastian on 06/02/2005 18:18:44
Please understand, I am not complaining about being added to the KOS list because of where I moved to. I understand the logistics behind it completely. But so soon? Without even 24 hours passing?
<FABOT> <1258> KoS PLAYER: Abigail Sebastian - 2005-02-05 20:13:04
Date of ATUK POST Thu Feb 03, 2005 9:02 am
so 48 hrs aproximatly after the corp was told to look in the ATUK forums, and informed of "Secrets you could share with ATUK for membership" oh yeah, we know about that. Small world eve, aint it. anyways 48 hours later and after a great deal of debate as to the reasoning behind your motives, yes you made it to allstar.
Kcel, mate what you fail to inform our viewing public here is of course, that while a few members leave corps within FA and gain notiriety and fame. The vast majority of players that leave the corps, leave peacefully, and are treated still as brothers in arms. it is the Few that leave via treachery,hostility, and theft. That get Killed on thier way out. as the Saying goes, those who whine loudest, are often heard most eh.
As for why Sebastion felt the need to try to drag this out into the Alliance Channels, meh. This is/was a Corp matter seperate from Fountain Alliance.
I've only known sebastion for a short time, but the rest of the corp has known him long before that, and all held him in high reguard. Also, not one of them would have said a thing, had sebastion come to us and said "I am leaving for ATUK/MOO/BOB/ whatever, becuase i am tired ect..." Nope, had we been told, we would have probly tried to talk him out of it, but in the end would have wished him luck and helped him exit the core. Unfortunatly, he decided to go the alternate route, of deception and betrayal. Bad call. Before i see "BUT HE KNEW HE'd GET SHOT" He of all people should know that, that is not how ELA works, nor contrary to popular belief the rest of FA.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.07 14:49:00 -
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One flaw in your argumentation, he didnt join atuk.
He didnt even join a BoB corp.
Neither did he join a corp at war with you.
Infact he joined a neutral corp on the other side of the universe. Unless you want to proof different and show us the relations fa had with said corp so far ?
You say your corp/FA holds him high and trusted him.
This seems to be washed down easy, without further investigation (to find out who he actually joined) or without contacting him asking about the why's/how's.
But thats just another "regardless of the case solutiions" shown by FA's over the time.
There will always be excuses made, im sure about it, just you wonder why so many ppl have a bitter taste in the mouth when thinking about FA ? (if you want to summon other incidents, just check the former cfs corps and the jazz incident....)
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empire nublette
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Posted - 2005.02.07 16:18:00 -
[44]
Edited by: empire nublette on 07/02/2005 16:22:08
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Originally by: empire nublette
i remember dear kcel chim getting a free card out of fountain although he was still a member of mace.
then your memory isnt very good.
I left Fountain as a member of Xanadu, moved into aridia where i stored my "yz stuff" (1 indy full) in a system where i had already stored stuff throughout my FA times.
This was already done a month before i left as i informed my superiors in Xan that i possibly plan to leave due to FA not "beeing my thing" anymore (was undecided and waiting on how things develop in the FA/Xan as requested by Sastul).
From Aridia i ventured on to empire and joined a new corp about 1.5 weeks later as i was away irl for that period of time.
During the time i was in mace i did not visit one system belonging to Fountain core. Eversince i stayed away until the recent atuk operation.
Shows again why alts shouldnt be allowed to post. No clue, no credibility.
i knew you would say that. when i say fountain i mean the former cfs region too.
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empire nublette
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Posted - 2005.02.07 16:22:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Kcel Chim
One flaw in your argumentation, he didnt join atuk.
He didnt even join a BoB corp.
Neither did he join a corp at war with you.
Infact he joined a neutral corp on the other side of the universe.
neutral? i will not even begin to discuss the neutrality issue so let's go on to point number two.
did you read his post on your forums at all?
his intention was to join atuk. the reason why he didn't join was because he wasn't allowed (yet) and therefore he joined what i would call one of your "academy-corporations".
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thelung187
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Posted - 2005.02.07 16:37:00 -
[46]
Originally by: empire nublette
neutral? i will not even begin to discuss the neutrality issue so let's go on to point number two.
did you read his post on your forums at all?
his intention was to join atuk. the reason why he didn't join was because he wasn't allowed (yet) and therefore he joined what i would call one of your "academy-corporations".
What are you, the missing link? Is FSA sitting up in FA core, shooting ships? No. They're on the other side of the map, minding their own business. The only way they'd be more neutral is if they all joined Caldari Provisions. And fyi, they're not academy corporations, they mine and hunt in space. Jazz does the same thing, but I guess it's the Jazz Academy instead of Jazz Associates now, right? Stop being a chimp and force some cells to divide ffs.
[ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something |
Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.07 16:52:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Kcel Chim on 07/02/2005 16:52:07
Originally by: empire nublette
i knew you would say that. when i say fountain i mean the former cfs region too.
a) Delve became FA space AFTER the FA / CFS war (2 month after i left FA)
b) Mace fought CFS before and during the war (wr fought CFS purely and evaded FA ships)
c) i could move my stuff out of delve anytime i wanted, i only had 4 items there. (Those which remained of my tempest lost in the fleetbattle on Fa's side against the CFS locals in tpar) in the final FA / CFS war.
In no other CFS region did i ever have stuff or needed a "pass".
Again, selective memory on your side mixed with a flavour of lies and altness....
P.S. Atuk has no academy corps hence the whole argument is pointless...
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empire nublette
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Posted - 2005.02.07 16:56:00 -
[48]
Edited by: empire nublette on 07/02/2005 16:58:49
Originally by: thelung187
Originally by: empire nublette
neutral? i will not even begin to discuss the neutrality issue so let's go on to point number two.
did you read his post on your forums at all?
his intention was to join atuk. the reason why he didn't join was because he wasn't allowed (yet) and therefore he joined what i would call one of your "academy-corporations".
What are you, the missing link? Is FSA sitting up in FA core, shooting ships? No. They're on the other side of the map, minding their own business. The only way they'd be more neutral is if they all joined Caldari Provisions. And fyi, they're not academy corporations, they mine and hunt in space. Jazz does the same thing, but I guess it's the Jazz Academy instead of Jazz Associates now, right? Stop being a chimp and force some cells to divide ffs.
i think most beings capable of reading and understanding english (except for thelung187 maybe?) understands what i've highlighted in the quote below.
Quote:
Greetings ATUK members, I am Sebastian. I am interested in joining ATUK and had a convo with Stizum (stan?) and he told me that ATUK membership is via invitation only. I can understand and respect this completely having been on the wrong side of your guys' barrels.
I do not know anyone in ATUK personally unfortunately, you guys have been great advisaries(sp) as I am currently a member of Fountain Alliance. I have grown weary of FA and the bull**** involved with it. And because of this, I currently have my two characters parked in JLO system waiting to get hooked up with an ATUK affiliated corp.
To get to the point, do you guys recommend a "step-up" corp you are affiliated with that I can join so that I may particpate with ATUK on a regular basis until you guys have gotten to know me and realize this is a sincere request from a stand-up guy who is tired of defending an Alliance that won't defend itself.
Thanks for your help.
Oh and thanks for not blowing away my hauler today Stiz after our conversation, it had everything I owned that was worth taking out of there. Now i just have to find a place to put it Very Happy
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empire nublette
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Posted - 2005.02.07 17:02:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Edited by: Kcel Chim on 07/02/2005 16:52:07
Originally by: empire nublette
i knew you would say that. when i say fountain i mean the former cfs region too.
a) Delve became FA space AFTER the FA / CFS war (2 month after i left FA)
b) Mace fought CFS before and during the war (wr fought CFS purely and evaded FA ships)
c) i could move my stuff out of delve anytime i wanted, i only had 4 items there. (Those which remained of my tempest lost in the fleetbattle on Fa's side against the CFS locals in tpar) in the final FA / CFS war.
In no other CFS region did i ever have stuff or needed a "pass".
Again, selective memory on your side mixed with a flavour of lies and altness....
P.S. Atuk has no academy corps hence the whole argument is pointless...
you totally evaded the point where mace were kos while you weren't.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.07 17:02:00 -
[50]
if you would have bothered to read the whole thread you would have seen our answers stated that we dont have stepup corps and that our recruitment is invite only.
So any argument based on academy corps or "beeing affiliated" with atuk is simply wrong.
The corps in question do not fight alongside atuk or are members of bob. They are neither involved in any of our conflicts / politics. They simply have permission to use the regions of former curse (by us XF and SE).
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empire nublette
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Posted - 2005.02.07 17:06:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Kcel Chim
if you would have bothered to read the whole thread you would have seen our answers stated that we dont have stepup corps and that our recruitment is invite only.
So any argument based on academy corps or "beeing affiliated" with atuk is simply wrong.
The corps in question do not fight alongside atuk or are members of bob. They are neither involved in any of our conflicts / politics. They simply have permission to use the regions of former curse (by us XF and SE).
sebastian tired of fighting for people only caring about the industrial/economical part of eve goes off to join an industrial corp. that sounds really logical.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.07 17:07:00 -
[52]
Originally by: empire nublette
you totally evaded the point where mace were kos while you weren't.
I was KoS to FA during the time beeing in Mace apart 2 seperate incidents where plagues with authorization from the other fleetcommanders invited my gang of non FA ppl (going limp corp) into FA's gangs. Both times fighting inside Tpar.
During that time my tempest got shot down by cfs and i was allowed to get my stuff my m8 looted. After that i left the area for empire to get a new ship and to fly up to bkg (to join atuk).
Before those 2 days i was "allowed" in Fa's gangs ive been shot at by FA more then once. So i deffinately wasnt "off the KOS list".
Get your facts straight....
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.07 17:09:00 -
[53]
Originally by: empire nublette
sebastian tired of fighting for people only caring about the industrial/economical part of eve goes off to join an industrial corp. that sounds really logical.
It does indeed when you leave an alliance where ppl get "abused" to fight while the rest surfs in isks and join a corp where ppl do everything together, be it getting isk or doing pvp.
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empire nublette
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Posted - 2005.02.07 17:12:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Originally by: empire nublette
you totally evaded the point where mace were kos while you weren't.
I was KoS to FA during the time beeing in Mace apart 2 seperate incidents where plagues with authorization from the other fleetcommanders invited my gang of non FA ppl (going limp corp) into FA's gangs. Both times fighting inside Tpar.
During that time my tempest got shot down by cfs and i was allowed to get my stuff my m8 looted. After that i left the area for empire to get a new ship and to fly up to bkg (to join atuk).
Before those 2 days i was "allowed" in Fa's gangs ive been shot at by FA more then once. So i deffinately wasnt "off the KOS list".
Get your facts straight....
yes, you were.
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empire nublette
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Posted - 2005.02.07 17:15:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Originally by: empire nublette
sebastian tired of fighting for people only caring about the industrial/economical part of eve goes off to join an industrial corp. that sounds really logical.
It does indeed when you leave an alliance where ppl get "abused" to fight while the rest surfs in isks and join a corp where ppl do everything together, be it getting isk or doing pvp.
read his post again. his intention is to join atuk, not the industrial corp he joined. he joined that corp only to get an invite to atuk.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.07 17:15:00 -
[56]
Originally by: empire nublette
yes, you were.
all of mace were kos, if i wasnt why was i shot ? Even shot 30 mins before the first fleetbattle ?
Dont use an alt dude, derailing a thread by repeating over and over some lies wont give anything to this thread.
Or are you scared to post with your (Fa)-Main ?
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.07 17:17:00 -
[57]
Originally by: empire nublette
read his post again. his intention is to join atuk, not the industrial corp he joined. he joined that corp only to get an invite to atuk.
Thats a bold statement, care to back it up ?
Considering i cant find any atuk post encouraging him to follow this path to get "in" ?
Or is it once again a shotgun mixture of baseless accusations and assumptions ?
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thelung187
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Posted - 2005.02.07 17:17:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Originally by: empire nublette
yes, you were.
all of mace were kos, if i wasnt why was i shot ? Even shot 30 mins before the first fleetbattle ?
Dont use an alt dude, derailing a thread by repeating over and over some lies wont give anything to this thread.
Or are you scared to post with your (Fa)-Main ?
beware the wrath of the mighty FA council, it's proclamation of only alt-posting on the forums is the standing law of the land.
[ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something |
empire nublette
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Posted - 2005.02.07 17:21:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Originally by: empire nublette
read his post again. his intention is to join atuk, not the industrial corp he joined. he joined that corp only to get an invite to atuk.
Thats a bold statement, care to back it up ?
Considering i cant find any atuk post encouraging him to follow this path to get "in" ?
Or is it once again a shotgun mixture of baseless accusations and assumptions ?
we'll see in due time who was right and who was talking bull****.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.07 17:24:00 -
[60]
Originally by: empire nublette
we'll see in due time who was right and who was talking bull****.
Like it would matter for an alt ?
I mean you have been called out a few times today, tho i dont bear any illusions that it will matter to you.
In addition Atuks recruiting policiy is last but not least our own decision. I doubt script gives a damn if it pleases a fa-flamealt.
I can only repeat once again, grow some and post with your main and ppl might take you serious.
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empire nublette
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Posted - 2005.02.07 17:27:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Originally by: empire nublette
yes, you were.
all of mace were kos, if i wasnt why was i shot ? Even shot 30 mins before the first fleetbattle ?
Dont use an alt dude, derailing a thread by repeating over and over some lies wont give anything to this thread.
Or are you scared to post with your (Fa)-Main ?
there were orders not to shoot you coming from fa command.
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empire nublette
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Posted - 2005.02.07 17:35:00 -
[62]
i don't have enough money to post with my main 
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thelung187
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Posted - 2005.02.07 17:54:00 -
[63]
Originally by: empire nublette
i don't have enough money to post with my main
Don't confuse being broke with being afraid
[ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something |
empire nublette
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Posted - 2005.02.07 18:22:00 -
[64]
Originally by: thelung187
Originally by: empire nublette
i don't have enough money to post with my main
Don't confuse being broke with being afraid
i'm broke and confused and now big bad thelung187 wants to hurt me. 
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thelung187
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Posted - 2005.02.07 18:55:00 -
[65]
Originally by: empire nublette
Originally by: thelung187
Originally by: empire nublette
i don't have enough money to post with my main
Don't confuse being broke with being afraid
i'm broke and confused and now big bad thelung187 wants to hurt me.
Obviously confused, since from looking at this thread, you have absolutely no idea wtf you're talking about. Not to mention you don't have the stones to not hide behind an alt.
[ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something |
Kralor Darkilon
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Posted - 2005.02.07 19:28:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 06/02/2005 17:05:11
<snip>
Kralor, this is precisely why a lot of the more millitant members of our enemy end up flying with us. Because we are basically ALL on the battlefield.
And though I respect very little of what gets posted on these fora, I do respect that sentiment. There are many of us in FA who wish it was so with our side. I'm not above mining or NPCing to fatten the wallet a bit, but when there's fighting to be done, you won't catch me doing anything else but that. If I'm docked or safe-spotted it's because RL (my wife and two young daughters) is interrupting my playing time...heheh.
I joined a corp that recently merged with a corp in Fountain. I came to Fountain not really knowing much about it's history or issues. I can't say that in retrospect I like everything I've seen, but I suspect such would be the case anywhere I'd go in EVE. As my corp is loyal to the Fountain Alliance and I am loyal to my corp, I am thus loyal to Fountain. I'm not going to switch sides on a whim or just because I don't like our prospects for continued survival. People are, of course, welcome to make their own choices. I just feel that for me, the best course of action is to do my best on the team I chose.
I'll do what I can for my side and if we lose, then I'll deal with that situation when the time comes. I'm sticking with my corpmates because I feel they're my friends and are worthy of my respect and efforts to help them defend Fountain. I've been gaming with many of the people in my corp for the better part of five years and just about everyone else I've met down here have been great folks and fun to game with.
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John McCreedy
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Posted - 2005.02.07 23:42:00 -
[67]
Originally by: empire nublette
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Edited by: Kcel Chim on 07/02/2005 16:52:07
Originally by: empire nublette
i knew you would say that. when i say fountain i mean the former cfs region too.
a) Delve became FA space AFTER the FA / CFS war (2 month after i left FA)
b) Mace fought CFS before and during the war (wr fought CFS purely and evaded FA ships)
c) i could move my stuff out of delve anytime i wanted, i only had 4 items there. (Those which remained of my tempest lost in the fleetbattle on Fa's side against the CFS locals in tpar) in the final FA / CFS war.
In no other CFS region did i ever have stuff or needed a "pass".
Again, selective memory on your side mixed with a flavour of lies and altness....
P.S. Atuk has no academy corps hence the whole argument is pointless...
you totally evaded the point where mace were kos while you weren't.
Excuse me nuggin but Eve Defence Force had no quarrel with Fountain Alliance. We where minding our own business having our miners operate in 0.0 and ganking some pirates around the area.
Yes we're ATUK sponsored but all that means is we're allowed in the space they claim. FSA was also neutral in this and had no hostile intentions towards you guys.
It is you who've made it an issue by declaring that anyone associated with ATUK are KOS, not us.
All Seb wanted to do was go grab his stuff and move it to the to help his new corp who where no threat to you in the space we operate in, which is on the other side of the map to you.
Had Seb initiated hostile actions towards you, then fine. You would be justified in your actions. As it stands, you are not.
P.S. To the dude who said we're an Industrial corp - we're not. We're a PvP corp with an industrial branch
Make a difference
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Shatza
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Posted - 2005.02.09 05:13:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Abigail Sebastian
Edited by: Abigail Sebastian on 06/02/2005 18:18:44
Please understand, I am not complaining about being added to the KOS list because of where I moved to. I understand the logistics behind it completely. But so soon? Without even 24 hours passing? It's not right, period.I should have been given a fair week especially after all I have done for FA. That's all i'm saying.
And as fas as the link to the ATUK forums and my post there, yeah, I did it. Because the few poeple of ATUK have shown far more ability and teamwork than the hundreds if not thousands of FA ever has (there are execptions to this and they know who they are!) And that is the type of game I want to play, where everyone around you is willing to sacrifice all they have for an ideal or hell, just for a good time.
If you don't know what I am refering to i'm sure someone in FA can tell you about the time they jumped into 75FA-Z knowing the trap that was set-up and what was waiting on the other side.
yes, sry for your lost
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Scythmar
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Posted - 2005.02.09 17:47:00 -
[69]
Now you know how the rest of us see FA...FA leaders care about one thing: FA Leaders. Sorry you got treated so bad, but you aren't the first one and won't be the last.
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I guarantee that my opinions are the complete opposite of those of my corp and alliance. Get over it. |
Uinein
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Posted - 2005.02.09 19:58:00 -
[70]
Steps to Leaving Fountain:
1. Don't tell anyone
2. Put all your extra ships for sale in core (they love that )
3. Dont tell anyone
4. Sneak all valuables into empire
5. Join a real Corp
6. (optional but fun) Get back in a ship and go blow the station huggers away.
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empire nublette
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Posted - 2005.02.10 11:24:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Originally by: empire nublette
read his post again. his intention is to join atuk, not the industrial corp he joined. he joined that corp only to get an invite to atuk.
Thats a bold statement, care to back it up ?
Considering i cant find any atuk post encouraging him to follow this path to get "in" ?
Or is it once again a shotgun mixture of baseless accusations and assumptions ?
Abigail Sebastian
Arcane Technologies
hi hypocrite!
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.10 13:03:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Kcel Chim on 10/02/2005 13:04:05
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Like it would matter for an alt ?
I mean you have been called out a few times today, tho i dont bear any illusions that it will matter to you.
In addition Atuks recruiting policiy is last but not least our own decision. I doubt script gives a damn if it pleases a fa-flamealt.
I can only repeat once again, grow some and post with your main and ppl might take you serious.
Even after editing all your posts you still fail to stress out the important parts.
We dont have any step up corps and we recruited him after script decided to do so.
If you reread my post (the one i quoted for you) you will find that i marked the important part in bold for easier understanding.
Last but not least after this thread the guy got many sympathies from us, a pvper. Kos to FA, not liked by alts.
Sounds like one for the team.
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empire nublette
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Posted - 2005.02.10 14:25:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Edited by: Kcel Chim on 10/02/2005 13:04:05
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Like it would matter for an alt ?
I mean you have been called out a few times today, tho i dont bear any illusions that it will matter to you.
In addition Atuks recruiting policiy is last but not least our own decision. I doubt script gives a damn if it pleases a fa-flamealt.
I can only repeat once again, grow some and post with your main and ppl might take you serious.
Even after editing all your posts you still fail to stress out the important parts.
We dont have any step up corps and we recruited him after script decided to do so.
If you reread my post (the one i quoted for you) you will find that i marked the important part in bold for easier understanding.
Last but not least after this thread the guy got many sympathies from us, a pvper. Kos to FA, not liked by alts.
Sounds like one for the team.
you're backpeddling quite fast now. your own ceo backed up my "bold statement". i think you got some hail right in your face
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Metal Dude
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Posted - 2005.02.10 16:26:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Edited by: Kcel Chim on 10/02/2005 13:04:05
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Like it would matter for an alt ?
I mean you have been called out a few times today, tho i dont bear any illusions that it will matter to you.
In addition Atuks recruiting policiy is last but not least our own decision. I doubt script gives a damn if it pleases a fa-flamealt.
I can only repeat once again, grow some and post with your main and ppl might take you serious.
Even after editing all your posts you still fail to stress out the important parts.
We dont have any step up corps and we recruited him after script decided to do so.
If you reread my post (the one i quoted for you) you will find that i marked the important part in bold for easier understanding.
Last but not least after this thread the guy got many sympathies from us, a pvper. Kos to FA, not liked by alts.
Sounds like one for the team.
LOL. Look at this coward that hides behind an alt calling others names. And then they wonder why FA is getting attacked. ItÆs because of people like that. Keep it coming. IÆm sure weÆll just get sick of reading this stuff and go shoot someone else instead, you brave forum warrior.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.10 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: empire nublette
you're backpeddling quite fast now. your own ceo backed up my "bold statement". i think you got some hail right in your face
If you mean by "backpaddeling" stating the obvious 3 days ago you might be spot on.
In terms of Script backing your bold statement, i doubt he really cares about -ALTS-.
P.S. You should really work on the story covering up why you dont post with your main... Maybe something more "true" ?
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empire nublette
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Posted - 2005.02.10 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim
In terms of Script backing your bold statement, i doubt he really cares about -ALTS-.
P.S. You should really work on the story covering up why you dont post with your main... Maybe something more "true" ?
he backed my statement by recruiting sebastian. the question here is not if he cares or not, even a 2-year-old would understand that. i knew what sebastian's intentions were and i'm certain you did as well but yet you kept backpeddling like aneu claiming to have podded a zillion members of m0o.
P.S. reread some of my replies on this topic, the "story" is there and yet you missed it. maybe some of that hail missed the "hole" and actually hit something small and important(very unlikely but possible)?
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.10 21:21:00 -
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his intentions were to join Atuk, you assumed he would try to do so over a step up corp, a method we do not encourage and do not use. So you were wrong on that one my sharp alt friend.
Infact script did prolly invest more attention to this case because of the public bonfire around this person.
As stated by me we do not give a damn on what other ppl think about our recruiting policy and noone in the thread sebastian started encouraged him to join another corp to get better chances.
ppl apply to atuk, script/directors decide. No other way or better way like you suggested.
In sebastians case his application was checked and processed after a few days.
You find it obvious ? Could have been a no go for him aswell, unless you can read scripts mind (which indeed would make me shudder with all the weird stuff going on up there ).
So after calling you out twice ill do it again, will you find me a statement where is said that this person will -never ever- make it into atuk and where i stated that anyone in atuk cares what a) FA b) alts think about who we recruit ?
Furthermore the discussion doesnt fit this topic anyways, as it was last but not least about FA shooting its members while they leave not depending on what those members do after they left FA.
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Percivs
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Posted - 2005.02.11 23:47:00 -
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I hate alts. I especially hate alts that pretend to support Fountain Alliance.
Feel free to flame the alt to your hearts content, he does not represent Fountain Alliance.
Oh, and you're welcome for the bump. 
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.02.25 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Calean
Originally by: Abigail Sebastian
Edited by: Abigail Sebastian on 06/02/2005 18:18:44
If you don't know what I am refering to i'm sure someone in FA can tell you about the time they jumped into 75FA-Z knowing the trap that was set-up and what was waiting on the other side.
I saw that video, it took balls to do. But what the video did not show was that they got slaughtered for it.
We didn't get slaughtered. We did lose a lot of ships, but pretty much only at the initial jump-in lagfest. But still we didn't lose nearly enough ships to lose operational capability, which was proven by the fact we warped back to the gate several times to take out the bubbles, a few of the bs and most of the support.
I wouldn't call that slaughtered.
What the movie also doesn't show is that after we got past the blockade, we wreaked havoc in 75 and YZ for days and the kills we made then easily made up for the earlier losses.
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