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Kengutsi Akira	Posted - 2011.04.18 22:39:00 - [61] Originally by: Calathea Sata Originally by: Zythrein It's true, there are things in the game that could be changed for the better. Certainly. But it's gotten to the point recently where it seems any given thread I open is going to be by you.[1] And it's going to be a whine.[2] And everyone's going to be telling you to shut up[3] and you'll be championing your righteous cause of improving the game.[4] I grow weary of seeing you EVERYWHERE.[5] [1] He can post in a forum [2] He can voice my opinion in a forum. [3] You refusing to see the reason theyre telling you to shut up doesnt mean they dont have a good reason (such as you creating 30 whine threads a day) [4] Youre not raising awareness, youre whining. As youve said. You do it to see yourself type (the internet version of hearing yourself talk) Quote: [5] Too bad for you, not my fault to be visible. Don't come to the forum if you don't like it. lol at you trying to tell him not to infringe on your "right" (put in quotes cause it isnt one) to whine on the forums by infringing on his "right" to whine about you whining on the forums. ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass"
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.18 22:42:00 - [62] Originally by: Calathea Sata Originally by: Zythrein It's true, there are things in the game that could be changed for the better. Certainly. But it's gotten to the point recently where it seems any given thread I open is going to be by you.[1] And it's going to be a whine.[2] And everyone's going to be telling you to shut up[3] and you'll be championing your righteous cause of improving the game.[4] I grow weary of seeing you EVERYWHERE.[5] [1] I can post in a forum. [2] I can voice my opinion in a forum. [3] They telling me to shut up without any good reason, is their fault. Also, it won't make you any "cooler" by joining the troll gang. [4] Because I am raising awareness to issues, and not just me, many have similar opinions as well. Refer to the other "whine threads". [5] Too bad for you, not my fault to be visible. Don't come to the forum if you don't like it. Well because there is a difference between having contructive opinion and being a troll. Also don't try to misquote me to make me sound like I'm talking about things I'm not talking about.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.18 22:46:00 - [63] Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter Edited by: Puppet Mas''ter on 18/04/2011 22:11:28 Edited by: Puppet Mas''ter on 18/04/2011 22:10:23 Originally by: MotherMoon Quote: Eve is an emerging society inhabited by pilots that find their own niche in one of many available professions. Today there are more than 195,000 accounts, which represents 433,000 characters, or 2.2 characters per account. It is estimated that the population of EVE will have reached 200,000 by mid-Q4 2007 and will be well into 210,000 by Q1 2008. In addition to these accounts, there are another 45,000 trial accounts that could potentially become part of the society in the near future. Of these 433,000 characters, there are 164,000 Caldari pilots (38%), 116,000 Gallente pilots (27%), 86,000 Minmatar pilots (20%), and 68,000 Amarr pilots (16%). In terms of gender, there are 40% female characters and 60% male characters in EVE Quote: A snapshot of the status on October 19th, 2007 was used to find out which ship players happen to be in at downtime. We found that 78% of all characters were located in high security areas (security status at 0.5 or higher), 13% were located in low security areas, and 9% were in 0.0 at the time the snapshot was taken. Youre quoting stats from 4 years ago you realize that? but ofc to your sensibilities Im guessing nothing has changed AT ALL Try some data that backs up your "fact" for 2011 Because, yes, things change in time, especially the number of bots. Tldr; try again with CURRENT facts so in YOUR opinion, in the past 4 years 0.0 has become so popular it's jumped up from 10% to beyond 20%? Are you kidding me? do you really think 0.0 has gotten MORE popular? your crazy.
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2011.04.18 22:49:00 - [64] Originally by: MotherMoon Are you kidding me? do you really think 0.0 has gotten MORE popular? you're crazy. It could be argued that Dominion did in fact increase the 0.0 population with the addition of anoms. Also consider that TEST joined the game in the past 4 years which has probably increased the amount of players in 0.0 space. -- Did you know there's an alliance who's name you're not allowed to say, or website you're not allowed to link?
Shawna Gray Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.18 22:51:00 - [65] Originally by: MotherMoon Are you kidding me? do you really think 0.0 has gotten MORE popular? your crazy. It certainly seems a lot more crowded, but maybe thats just the region of space i'm in now.
Kengutsi Akira	Posted - 2011.04.18 23:04:00 - [66] Originally by: Calathea Sata Also don't try to misquote me to make me sound like I'm talking about things I'm not talking about. I didnt misquote you deliberately lol I missed a /quote somewhere yes, trolling... Quote: 7 Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is the word used to describe a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the players. Posts of this nature are disruptive and do not contribute to the sense of community we want for our forums. by that definition your whines are trolling. FYI ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass"
Puppet Mas'ter	Posted - 2011.04.18 23:06:00 - [67] and youre SANE by thinking it HASNT changed at all in FOUR YEARS? think about that. especially the 9000 bots part cause you seem to think everything the same as it was 4 years ago
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.19 00:29:00 - [68] Edited by: MotherMoon on 19/04/2011 00:33:17 Originally by: Shawna Gray Originally by: MotherMoon Are you kidding me? do you really think 0.0 has gotten MORE popular? your crazy. It certainly seems a lot more crowded, but maybe thats just the region of space i'm in now. well yeah we are talking % here. 10% of then is less than 10% of now. even if it DOUBLED which was the figure I used. It would mean that people on here, who are throwing around that eve has MORE than 9000 bots, are saying that that 20% of the users online are bots. Which happens to be the same number of people that are in 0.0 I think it's STUPID it say that everyone in 0.0 is a bot. also that people don't understand big numbers. 9000 people is enough to make every system in 0.0 space populated. 20,000 is enough to make that space crowded. FACT. so yes if it's doubled in % over the past 3 years then 10,000 users are online in 0.0 at peak time. if people think there are over 9000 bots online at a time then they must ALL BE BOTS. which is dumb. there are only 35 regions in 0.0 space. If even half of those regions have bots, you would only need 4000 bots to have 4 of them in each system. come on this is basic math. I believe the 10% mark is still true. 0.0 space has no increased in population % to total sub. I don't believe there has been any change that has made 0.0 easier to get into. Most likely, imo, based on all available information, trends, and common knowledge. there are about 3000-4000 bots online at peak hours. These bots can be found in groups of 20 from my experience. In groups of 20, that means that in each region of space 35 of them you will find a bot fleet of 20 ships in 6 systems of each region. This means IF, IF IF all these facts are true, and each region has mean 100 systems. 6% of all 0.0 system would be bot infested. I think you actully PLAY EVE, unlike some people... you'll find that you find bots in 0.0 A LOT. but you find empty space MUCH MORE OFTEN. So yes, even if 0.0 space has double in popularity, there is no way I would ever buy forum paranoia that 10,000 bots are running active in eve, and that half the playbase is alts. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE. and besides people in this thread are saying eve has over 50,000 bots. That's DUMB. bots don't log off. So i guess at any given time in eve when we've got 60,000 players online. 50,000 of them are bots, and of the remaining 10,000 everyone has 3 accounts right? so only 3000 people in the WHOLE WORLD are really playing eve. it's LAUGHABLE logic.
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2011.04.19 00:34:00 - [69] Originally by: FeralShadow The devs have built and scrapped Incarna-in-development numerous times so they could make it the best way they could. Each time they started over, they did better things with it. It's what's called Prototyping. The first were back in 2008. The latest (and best) is what's being worked on now. CCP has said this numerous times. -Feral What a load of crap. They're rushing to finish it so they can release DUST and get paid for all the wasted time, since the console market has already moved onto better engines. CCP Nathan "the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells" Evelgrivion "each passing year, each failure to deliver on expectations of basic competence"
Puppet Mas'ter	Posted - 2011.04.19 01:40:00 - [70] Edited by: Puppet Mas''ter on 19/04/2011 01:41:58 Originally by: MotherMoon well yeah we are talking % here. 10% of then is less than 10% of now. show your proof. Funny you think that the population of 0.0 grows with the population of the game but with the above youre saying there are less in 0.0 now than there were back in 2007 Quote: I think it's STUPID it say that everyone in 0.0 is a bot. link where I said that cause I didnt. Youre blowing it out your ass now. Quote: so yes if it's doubled in % over the past 3 years then 10,000 users are online in 0.0 at peak time. if people think there are over 9000 bots online at a time then they must ALL BE BOTS. which is dumb. first, show me where CCP says the bot number has doubled, cause again, otherwise, youre nlong numbers out your ass, and AGAIN, I never said everyone in 0.0 is a bot. Stop saying that you look like an idiot. Quote: I believe the 10% mark is still true. 0.0 space has no increased in population % to total sub. again, link to CURRENT info. Not four year old data. Quote: Most likely, imo, based on all available information, trends, and common knowledge. there are about 3000-4000 bots online at peak hours. copy pasta again, link to CURRENT info. Not four year old data. Quote: This means IF, IF IF all these facts are true, all these numbers, not facts. You have yet to provide CURRENT data backing up your numbers. Quote: and besides people in this thread are saying eve has over 50,000 bots. That's DUMB. again, quote the person that said this, Id like to laugh at them too. Otherwise its you. Quote: it's LAUGHABLE logic. hey look, something we agree about. Although its your logic (and made up numbers) thats laughable.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.19 02:13:00 - [71] Edited by: MotherMoon on 19/04/2011 02:14:37 Edited by: MotherMoon on 19/04/2011 02:14:27 Quote: show your proof. Funny you think that the population of 0.0 grows with the population of the game but with the above youre saying there are less in 0.0 now than there were back in 2007 I'm sorry I stopped reading here. I was saying there was more in 0.0 today then there was in 2007. if you think 10% of 150,000 is more than 10% of 360,000 your a fool. Sorry but the rest of the post isn't wroth my time if you don't have the time to even reply to what I posted. edit I tried to read more and got to this Quote: link where I said that cause I didnt. Youre blowing it out your ass now. you quote me as saying "people in this thread" and then accuse me of saying it was you. when did I say it was you? want to train reading comprehension to level 2 please.
Puppet Mas'ter	Posted - 2011.04.19 02:15:00 - [72] Originally by: MotherMoon Quote: show your proof. Funny you think that the population of 0.0 grows with the population of the game but with the above youre saying there are less in 0.0 now than there were back in 2007 I'm sorry I stopped read here. I was saying there was more in 0.0 today then there was in 2007. if you think 10% of 150,000 is more than 10% of 360,000 your a fool. Sorry but the rest of the post isn't wroth my time if you don't have the time to even reply to what I posted. funny. the fool calls me a fool cause his numbers are made up and he cant provide current proof for his figures. yeah... move on mother, you cant prove your math so your argument is specious at best
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.19 02:17:00 - [73] Edited by: MotherMoon on 19/04/2011 02:18:39 Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter Originally by: MotherMoon Quote: show your proof. Funny you think that the population of 0.0 grows with the population of the game but with the above youre saying there are less in 0.0 now than there were back in 2007 I'm sorry I stopped read here. I was saying there was more in 0.0 today then there was in 2007. if you think 10% of 150,000 is more than 10% of 360,000 your a fool. Sorry but the rest of the post isn't wroth my time if you don't have the time to even reply to what I posted. funny. the fool calls me a fool cause his numbers are made up and he cant provide current proof for his figures. yeah... move on mother, you cant prove your math so your argument is specious at best WHO ARE YOU! Quote: 360k accounts I say personally, cut it into a third to account for botters AND alts. So about 120,000. Somewhere between SWG and STO (given the estimation of a third botting or alts, regardless, there ARENT 360,000 original, live players here.) did you say this? becuase if you didn't SHUT UP. I was NEVER TALKING TO YOU. where did you come from! why are telling me that I'm putting words in your mouth? why do you think 10% of 100,000 is bigger than 10% of 300,000! also i'm not mkaing numbers up! I'm quoting the number of system in game in 0.0, the number of players in game. and past population trends of player % population. if you read my post I said ASSUMING THESE ASSUMPTIONS ARE TRUE.
Puppet Mas'ter	Posted - 2011.04.19 02:21:00 - [74] Edited by: Puppet Mas''ter on 19/04/2011 02:23:02 Originally by: MotherMoon more bull ok... provide me with non 4 year old data that shows your numbers werent bull and Ill accept your answer. Till then all that huge post and your following tripe was just that. and the last post, and the melting down wont help you prove the math you dont have the data to back up its entertaining though lol Originally by: MotherMoon also i'm not mkaing numbers up! yes actually you are and its funny that you cant even see that youre doing it but like I said, get CURRENT data and come back.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.19 02:21:00 - [75] Quote: If thats the number that makes the number of unique accounts at like 180k before counting bot numbers. Im betting there are more than 9000 bots in this game given that 0.0 corps use botting corps to make their supercaps and titans why don't YOU read the thread. how did you miss the whole page talking about how this is true? and my post is about how this is stupid and false.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.19 02:25:00 - [76] Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter Originally by: MotherMoon more bull ok... provide me with non 4 year old data that shows your numbers werent bull and Ill accept your answer. Till then all that huge post and your following tripe was just that. and the last post, and the melting down wont help you prove the math you dont have the data to back up its entertaining though lol so what your saying is the hard numbers that say in 2007 10% of players were in 0.0 is no longer valid? what do you really think 50-70% of players are in 0.0? I've been playing eve for 6-7 years, it's always been the trend that 0.0 is always the smallest population of eve online. you don't need to be a genius to see that. so assuming that's true, people in this post are saying there are over 9000 bots. Which would mean that 20% of the current players logged in are bots. since as you know 10,000 is 20% of 50,000. yay math face palm. I am not talking to you! go away! I'm talking to the person saying that 20% of the people logged into eve are bots! I'm not debating any of your points! I never have been!
Puppet Mas'ter	Posted - 2011.04.19 02:28:00 - [77] Edited by: Puppet Mas''ter on 19/04/2011 02:30:57 Edited by: Puppet Mas''ter on 19/04/2011 02:30:36 Originally by: MotherMoon I am not talking to you! go away! You are talking in a public thread on EVE-O you are talking to everyone in the thread. Just cause Im calling you on your bull** numbers doesnt mean you get to tell me to go away and I will. Originally by:** MotherMoon what do you really think 50-70% of players are in 0.0? look more number that youre pulling out of your ass. I never said that. or better yet, quote where I said 50-70% of the players in the game are in 0.0 Ill wait Get that current data while youre at it.
Mica Swanhaven	Posted - 2011.04.19 02:31:00 - [78] Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter yes actually you are and its funny that you cant even see that youre doing it but like I said, get CURRENT data and come back. Mother is just using current and past trends to make a point. 20% of the people logged in at peak hours are not bots. and people don't have on average 3 accoutns each. Mothermoon is right on those two points. she has only been commenting on other peoples made up numbers and putting them into comparison with a good guess. and calling them guesses. there is a difference between making up numbers, and speculation based on what we do know. Everything she posted, she said it was speculation. Arguing that someones speculation is not fact is stupid, and you're making yourself look stupid for it. even if it is funny to watch mother fall for such an obvious troll.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.19 02:33:00 - [79] Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter You are talking in a public thread on EVE-O you are talking to everyone in the thread. Just cause Im calling you on your bull**** numbers doesnt mean you get to tell me to go away and I will Ok seriously, just stop. I replied to someones point. You came in and said "stop putting words in my mouth!" I'm not telling you to go away, I'm trying to explain to you that my reply to another poster was meant for them. that's why I replied to their point.
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.04.19 02:36:00 - [80] Originally by: Mica Swanhaven even if it is funny to watch mother fall for such an obvious troll. I know right? Even more funny to watch her melt down like that DONT FEED THE TROLL -------- Dammit, they killed the post where Sreegs says personal attacks are against the rules. I wanted to lol at him for that
Axon Atom	Posted - 2011.04.19 03:06:00 - [81] lol classic mothermoon
Alotta Baggage Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail	Posted - 2011.04.19 03:18:00 - [82] CCP started working on it last week, they spent the last 4 years getting drunk and talking about it Originally by: Valkoinen Heteromies I for one would love to be able to walk on stations and fly spaceships in the body of a little cute catgirl!
sableye principle of motion	Posted - 2011.04.19 03:44:00 - [83] there was no previous incarna I just imagined the one I played at fan fest. ----------------------------------------- View The North Star! In All Its Glory!!
Alotta Baggage Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail	Posted - 2011.04.19 03:55:00 - [84] Wow, mothermoon looks like a man Originally by: Valkoinen Heteromies I for one would love to be able to walk on stations and fly spaceships in the body of a little cute catgirl!
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.19 04:28:00 - [85] Originally by: Alotta Baggage Wow, mothermoon looks like a man must...resist...troll O.o
Elyssa MacLeod	Posted - 2011.04.19 04:30:00 - [86] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Alotta Baggage Wow, mothermoon looks like a man must...resist...troll O.o Why start now?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.19 07:05:00 - [87] Originally by: Alotta Baggage Wow, mothermoon looks like a man I'll have you you know your mother smells of elder berries
Commander Michael Iwaniak Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.04.19 07:47:00 - [88] spurlos verschwunden Do not spit on your own words.

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