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Kane Molou	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:08:00 - [1] Ok, if you've followed CCP and eve for the past few years you know that walking in station isn't new, you also know that it was SHOWN at fanfests before now case in point would be: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7R6AxoO8yY <-- this is the 2008 fan fest which clearly shows a lot of WIS done.. i mean we see them walking around etc etc etc etc etc. Now jump to fanfest 2011... and the captains quarters presentation and listen to the comments made durring it (for those of you who missed the live stream) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa48io03d_0 Part one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WguGfUg33nA Part two Now in this the direct comment and to quote 'We have been working on this since the start of this year, so 3 months now'. Ok so we have gone from 3 years of development to 3 months of development? I can understand we have a new Graphics engine but that hardly explains dropping of 3 YEARS worth of development.. So it'd be nice to see a Dev come in and Answer why we suddenly get told that 3 months is all that's been done and where the previous development all went.. Also where is it on SiSi? you guys said originally before Fanfest.. then 'straight after' fanfest.. now we get buggy patch 1.4 and still nothing on the test server for incarna?
London Imminent Ruin Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:10:00 - [2] I think it's captain's quarters specifically that has been worked on for that given time frame, and Incarna as a whole for the longer period. .................................................................. Create a Starship contest entry: Naga Frigate
Malcanis Caldari Alcohlics Anonymous IMPERIAL LEGI0N	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:13:00 - [3] The first rule of Incarna Club is that you dont talk about 2006-2009 Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:19:00 - [4] The second rule of Incarna Club is that you do not talk about 2006 - 2009.
Graic Valente Gallente Valente Galactic Enterprises	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:26:00 - [5] Originally by: Malcanis The first rule of Incarna Club is that you dont talk about 2006-2009 You sir have given me a genuine LOL. /salutes.
Laser Purification	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:28:00 - [6] WoD development is taking longer than expected.
Kane Molou	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:29:00 - [7] I'll give you a nod on that one.. yeah it appears to have become a 'black hole' that you don't mention.. and if mentioned to ccp they all vanish from the room really really fast.
Steve Seninard	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:31:00 - [8] They've had all their time tied up into making those ****ty "music" videos.
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:31:00 - [9] 3rd RULE: If someone says "wtf?" or emoragequits, biomasses the trolling's over. 4th RULE: Only 10 on 1 troll threads. 5th RULE: Must have more than one thread at a time. 6th RULE: No shirts, no shoes. 7th RULE: Development will go on as long as it has to. 8th RULE: If this is your first time at GD, you HAVE to start an Incarna Club thread. By the way, real men biomass when they emoragequit.
Gwenywell Shumuku	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:40:00 - [10] Pretty simple, they did alot of tests as they had no experience with avatar-games, finally in 2009 they had a running prototype (even station interiors already with slots and bars and stuff), and then had to accept that it doesn't scale very well. What is left is that they did consolidate their carbon-code. Now they have to deliver something so they are starting slow and hope for murphys-law to fix there performance problems.
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2011.04.17 23:35:00 - [11] Who cares, Eve died 2 years ago. CCP know this, they made the choice to give up and just ** it for what it's worth. CCP Nathan** "the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells" Evelgrivion "each passing year, each failure to deliver on expectations of basic competence"
Vertisce Soritenshi O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.17 23:41:00 - [12] I swear to God...if I see a single "Werewolf" or "Vampire" in a station... NO BOOBIES LEFT BEHIND!
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.17 23:43:00 - [13] Just look at the amount of "EVE is dying" threads and "Quitting" threads over the last few days. EVE is dying slowly and CCP does not give a fock as long as they can push out new shineys to attract more noobies.
Cailais Amarr Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.04.18 00:09:00 - [14] Originally by: Calathea Sata Just look at the amount of "EVE is dying" threads and "Quitting" threads over the last few days. EVE is dying slowly and CCP does not give a fock as long as they can push out new shineys to attract more noobies. EVE's always dying. (& Most of those threads are yours anyway). C. the hydrostatic capsule blog
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.18 00:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Calathea Sata Just look at the amount of "EVE is dying" threads and "Quitting" threads over the last few days. EVE is dying slowly and CCP does not give a fock as long as they can push out new shineys to attract more noobies. EVE's always dying. (& Most of those threads are yours anyway). C. Nope, they are real people agreeing to my point of view. Many of them. You jelly?
Wilhelm Riley	Posted - 2011.04.18 00:15:00 - [16] Originally by: Kane Molou etc etc etc etc etc. How incredibly redundant.
Cailais Amarr Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.04.18 00:18:00 - [17] Originally by: Calathea Sata Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Calathea Sata Just look at the amount of "EVE is dying" threads and "Quitting" threads over the last few days. EVE is dying slowly and CCP does not give a fock as long as they can push out new shineys to attract more noobies. EVE's always dying. (& Most of those threads are yours anyway). C. Nope, they are real people agreeing to my point of view. Many of them. You jelly? You're looking to confirm your beliefs through a social proof. 'Many' is qualitative; you've got a handful of players you say are quitting vs a player populations in the thousands. Have fun convincing yourself otherwise though. C. the hydrostatic capsule blog
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.18 00:21:00 - [18] Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Calathea Sata Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Calathea Sata Just look at the amount of "EVE is dying" threads and "Quitting" threads over the last few days. EVE is dying slowly and CCP does not give a fock as long as they can push out new shineys to attract more noobies. EVE's always dying. (& Most of those threads are yours anyway). C. Nope, they are real people agreeing to my point of view. Many of them. You jelly? You're looking to confirm your beliefs through a social proof. 'Many' is qualitative; you've got a handful of players you say are quitting vs a player populations in the thousands. Have fun convincing yourself otherwise though. C. I don't need to, I am just saying you are very wrong, and totally pointless, and if I'm not polite I would have told you to shut up, and go back to your den.
Cailais Amarr Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.04.18 00:31:00 - [19] Originally by: Calathea Sata I don't need to, I am just saying you are very wrong, and totally pointless, and if I'm not polite I would have told you to shut up, and go back to your den. Naturally you will need to say that. To do otherwise would mean you would be acting inconsistently. However the facts are still in my favour: a few players 'quitting' publicly on the forums, an over all trend of an increase in players since launch. C. the hydrostatic capsule blog
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.18 00:33:00 - [20] Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Calathea Sata I don't need to, I am just saying you are very wrong, and totally pointless, and if I'm not polite I would have told you to shut up, and go back to your den. Naturally you will need to say that. To do otherwise would mean you would be acting inconsistently. However the facts are still in my favour: a few players 'quitting' publicly on the forums, an over all trend of an increase in players since launch. C. I never cared about the overall trend of players, I was only talking about the forums. Many have spoken out about their disappointment in CCP echoing my own opinion, that was my point.
Xylengra	Posted - 2011.04.18 01:41:00 - [21] Originally by: Calathea Sata I never cared about the overall trend of players, I was only talking about the forums. Well, hell - there's your problem right there. Forums != Eve You make a rookie mistake in making assumptions/predictions based on too small a sample size. Those that follow the forums are a subset of the overall player base, and the outspoken forum warriors are an even smaller subset of the first. In fact, I believe it can be demonstrated that many of the most outspoken in the forums barely play the game, and, just like you, don't really understand the dynamics involved. Don't take that personally, because I really don't know whether or not you ever undock, but from what you say here in the forums, you obviously don't understand that there are PLENTY of (as in many, many more) players enjoying the game, day in and day out, who could not give a rat's a$$ about what any of us here say/think/prognosticate. Don't get me wrong (about the thread topic). Incarna is a joke, always has been and always will be, whether or not it is ever released - which I doubt. That so many keep paying their $ while waiting for something new they can *** about is, perhaps, the most ironic thing going on here. We all know the type (and one can be found here in this very thread) who claim that the game is dead, has been dead, for many years, yet they still must be subscribed because they still can post their complaints. These rank right up there with those that have to 'announce' that they are quitting eve and yet are still posting months later. If the game sucks for you, just go. If you still like playing, quit yer ***in'.
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.18 02:01:00 - [22] Ok, bla bla bla, so all you're saying is just complaining me and my fellow "outspoken warriors" talking about the bad things of CCP and this game. Never cared. Most of us are just speaking on behave on ourselves. Most of us gave contructive feedbacks. Whiners whining about people whining however, as you two have demostrated, is not. Try to speak for EVE or CCP if you like, for example, if you want to contribute to anything.
Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.04.18 03:00:00 - [23] Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku Pretty simple, they did alot of tests as they had no experience with avatar-games, finally in 2009 they had a running prototype (even station interiors already with slots and bars and stuff), and then had to accept that it doesn't scale very well. What is left is that they did consolidate their carbon-code. Now they have to deliver something so they are starting slow and hope for murphys-law to fix there performance problems. I assume you meant Moore's law? Since Murphy's law would mean that everything that can go wrong with Incarna has/will go wrong!!!
FeralShadow RipStar. United Front Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.18 04:38:00 - [24] The devs have built and scrapped Incarna-in-development numerous times so they could make it the best way they could. Each time they started over, they did better things with it. It's what's called Prototyping. The first were back in 2008. The latest (and best) is what's being worked on now. CCP has said this numerous times. -Feral _______________________________________________ "If you want to taste the ground, feel free to attack." - Kenshin Himura
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.18 04:47:00 - [25] Originally by: Calathea Sata Ok, bla bla bla, so all you're saying is just complaining me and my fellow "outspoken warriors" talking about the bad things of CCP and this game. Never cared. Most of us are just speaking on behave on ourselves. Most of us gave contructive feedbacks. Whiners whining about people whining however, as you two have demostrated, is not. Try to speak for EVE or CCP if you like, for example, if you want to contribute to anything. yeah you and your "outspoken warriors" which is why in every thread you make you have ZERO supporters. no one agreed with you about the scorpion, and no one agrees with you now.
Zora Gallente Vector Industries	Posted - 2011.04.18 04:47:00 - [26] If you connect the dots it's actually quite obvious. They "took the technology out of the eve client" and put it into CARBON. The first results of CARBON that you see are the new character creator. The second one is the new UI engine that is currently being tested on SiSi and will subsequently be improved with fancy 3D-effects, better performance, etc. I'm not sure how much the actual space-rendering engine is using CARBON as of now, but my guess is it's also pretty integrated by now. The cool thing is (and that's really pretty cool) that they can use the same tech for WOD and Dust, and generate a lot of synergetic re-use, regarding both code and tools. So my second guess is, the "old" work on Incarna was using tech that is now basically obsolete. You see that kind of phenomenom at a lot of software companies nowadays. They build a generic framework (aka platform) for stuff, and suddenly everything that came before it and didn't use it seems "off", and everytime you look at the old code you get the urge to re-build it using your fancy new tools. Especially if the old work was incomplete and full of hacks. I understand that notion because I've been there for a while, and it's a deathtrap. The moment you start re-building a project with your new framework, you suddenly realize it's a lot of work. You can re-use the ideas and chunks of code, but everything else has to be adapted to work with the new tools. And hence, we have a new timeline for Incarna, starting 2011. Forget everything that came before it, but at least this time it should turn out nicely. The problem is that of perception, they're still pretty low on the curve, and it will take a while before the slope gradually starts to rise upwards. Of course I could be completely wrong too, so take this with a grain of salt
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.18 15:11:00 - [27] Without question the biggest disappointment to me with EvE is that I started playing in 2008 and the word on the street was "next expansion". CCP knew good and god damned well that it was not going to be the next expansion, and had a responsibility to address that realistically. Never happened and never will. And TBH I can tell a lot of the angst the fanbase has with CCP is related to this. When a problem comes up with the game they EXPECT CCP to apply their famous soonÖ. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Lokaas	Posted - 2011.04.18 15:22:00 - [28] Originally by: Calathea Sata Just look at the amount of "EVE is dying" threads and "Quitting" threads over the last few days. EVE is dying slowly and CCP does not give a fock as long as they can push out new shineys to attract more noobies. Well, in the Sylvia Plath sense of the word we're all dying... lol!
Elyssa MacLeod	Posted - 2011.04.18 15:27:00 - [29] Originally by: London I think it's captain's quarters specifically that has been worked on for that given time frame, and Incarna as a whole for the longer period. and the whole idea of the captains quarters reminds me of Star Trek, which makes me thing of STO, then my stomach churns and I throw up.
Puppet Mas'ter	Posted - 2011.04.18 15:29:00 - [30] Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Calathea Sata Just look at the amount of "EVE is dying" threads and "Quitting" threads over the last few days. EVE is dying slowly and CCP does not give a fock as long as they can push out new shineys to attract more noobies. EVE's always dying. (& Most of those threads are yours anyway). C. this is not untrue, if they gave Cala a point for every thread as "spam" Im betting thered be a permaban by now
Elyssa MacLeod	Posted - 2011.04.18 15:32:00 - [31] Originally by: Calathea Sata Ok, bla bla bla, so all you're saying is just complaining me and my fellow "outspoken warriors" talking about the bad things of CCP and this game. Never cared. Most of us are just speaking on behave on ourselves. Most of us gave contructive feedbacks. Whiners whining about people whining however, as you two have demostrated, is not. Try to speak for EVE or CCP if you like, for example, if you want to contribute to anything. Your first mistake was bringing this idea to EVE-O. bad talking a game on the game's forums only brings the kiss asses out of their reveries concerning where to plant their lips next on CCP's ass lol
Iden Secundus	Posted - 2011.04.18 16:27:00 - [32] Edited by: Iden Secundus on 18/04/2011 16:29:08 Who does believe promotion videos? What did we get (CARBON): - new inventory system (server 64bit) - new GUI (client rework) - some performance improvements ==> and we was always able to play... :) - character generation (useless and destroying my old avatar as "my Eve-Char"; forcing us to use NVIDIA) - some luckless GUI-features ==> some design studies; useless but the Devs got something to play - destroying the forum/destroying your privacy - ok., up to now this did fail - cutting the history of EVE (it's on the ToDo list of CCP "no migration of the current forum content") ==> this playground should be more restricted for peoples who know what they are doing :(
Holdout	Posted - 2011.04.18 17:04:00 - [33] blah blah blah GAME IS DYING blah blah blah QUITTING blah blah blah TROLL blah blah blah The game looks like it's doing ok according to the numbers. You haven't quit yet. Gaining "notoriety" through doom and gloom shouting is pretty lame.
Elyssa MacLeod	Posted - 2011.04.18 17:11:00 - [34] Originally by: Holdout blah blah blah GAME IS DYING blah blah blah QUITTING blah blah blah TROLL blah blah blah The game looks like it's doing ok according to the numbers. You haven't quit yet. Gaining "notoriety" through doom and gloom shouting is pretty lame. love ppl that quote "the numbers" 360k accounts Originally by: MotherMoon eve online 360,000 subs final fantasy 300,000 subs city of heros 40,000 subs star trek online 160,000 subs lord of rings online 250,000 subs warhammer 200,000 subs age of connan 220,000 subs SWG: 100,000 subs reply to "how many accounts are alt accounts" Originally by: Akita T Only (very) roughly one quarter, as per CCP's estimates (they didn't bother hunting down too many of those that may or may not belong to the same person). I say personally, cut it into a third to account for botters AND alts. So about 120,000. Somewhere between SWG and STO (given the estimation of a third botting or alts, regardless, there ARENT 360,000 original, live players here.)
Sergeant Crowe	Posted - 2011.04.18 17:17:00 - [35] Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Originally by: Holdout blah blah blah GAME IS DYING blah blah blah QUITTING blah blah blah TROLL blah blah blah The game looks like it's doing ok according to the numbers. You haven't quit yet. Gaining "notoriety" through doom and gloom shouting is pretty lame. love ppl that quote "the numbers" 360k accounts Originally by: MotherMoon eve online 360,000 subs final fantasy 300,000 subs city of heros 40,000 subs star trek online 160,000 subs lord of rings online 250,000 subs warhammer 200,000 subs age of connan 220,000 subs SWG: 100,000 subs reply to "how many accounts are alt accounts" Originally by: Akita T Only (very) roughly one quarter, as per CCP's estimates (they didn't bother hunting down too many of those that may or may not belong to the same person). I say personally, cut it into a third to account for botters AND alts. So about 120,000. Somewhere between SWG and STO (given the estimation of a third botting or alts, regardless, there ARENT 360,000 original, live players here.) OIC
Holdout	Posted - 2011.04.18 18:08:00 - [36] Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod I say personally, cut it into a third to account for botters AND alts. So about 120,000. Somewhere between SWG and STO (given the estimation of a third botting or alts, regardless, there ARENT 360,000 original, live players here.) This is why I didn't specify some number of accounts, but since you have, let's go from there. Is this 120,000 actual players that you've come up with more or less than the amount of players the game had after year 1? Year 2? Year 3? Year X? If it is more, then I'd AT LEAST say the game isn't dying. If it is less, but still in the ballpark, I'd say it's doing pretty good for a 8 year old MMO.
Guilliman R Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.04.18 18:10:00 - [37] Have to remember a LOT of those accounts are constant new players that play for, what was it, 7 months? before they quit and get replaced by fresh meat. That's eventually going to decline if eve gets constant bad rep. As far as I know according to akita's charts the new player count is getting jumpty and might decline soon. ------ http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4441/evesigr.jpg
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.18 18:46:00 - [38] Edited by: MotherMoon on 18/04/2011 18:50:05 Are you kidding? Quote: reply to "how many accounts are alt accounts" it's a well known fact lord of the rings has a massive alt community due to the way the crafting mechanics work. 2nd we allready know that, 4% of the eve community has an alt. it was in the QEN. it just happens to be close to number of PC gamers with multiple monitors according to steam, which they released as 2%. I can buy that eve has double the number of people with muliple monitors, more nerds here. But in general most people don't see the point of multiple monitors. thus why would you have multiple accounts. Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Originally by: Calathea Sata Ok, bla bla bla, so all you're saying is just complaining me and my fellow "outspoken warriors" talking about the bad things of CCP and this game. Never cared. Most of us are just speaking on behave on ourselves. Most of us gave contructive feedbacks. Whiners whining about people whining however, as you two have demostrated, is not. Try to speak for EVE or CCP if you like, for example, if you want to contribute to anything. Your first mistake was bringing this idea to EVE-O. bad talking a game on the game's forums only brings the kiss asses out of their reveries concerning where to plant their lips next on CCP's ass lol so I'm an ******* for liking the new scorpion model? or for thinking her rant on stargates is pointless?
Elyssa MacLeod	Posted - 2011.04.18 18:48:00 - [39] Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 18/04/2011 18:48:47 Originally by: Holdout Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod I say personally, cut it into a third to account for botters AND alts. So about 120,000. Somewhere between SWG and STO (given the estimation of a third botting or alts, regardless, there ARENT 360,000 original, live players here.) This is why I didn't specify some number of accounts, but since you have, let's go from there. Is this 120,000 actual players that you've come up with more or less than the amount of players the game had after year 1? Year 2? Year 3? Year X? If it is more, then I'd AT LEAST say the game isn't dying. If it is less, but still in the ballpark, I'd say it's doing pretty good for a 8 year old MMO. odd, I dont remember saying the game was dying, I was only pointing out that 360000 doesnt really mean anything in this game Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Originally by: Calathea Sata Ok, bla bla bla, so all you're saying is just complaining me and my fellow "outspoken warriors" talking about the bad things of CCP and this game. Never cared. Most of us are just speaking on behave on ourselves. Most of us gave contructive feedbacks. Whiners whining about people whining however, as you two have demostrated, is not. Try to speak for EVE or CCP if you like, for example, if you want to contribute to anything. Your first mistake was bringing this idea to EVE-O. bad talking a game on the game's forums only brings the kiss asses out of their reveries concerning where to plant their lips next on CCP's ass lol so I'm an ******* for liking the new scorpion model? or for thinking her rant on stargates is pointless? Train internet sarcasm plz
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.18 18:51:00 - [40] Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Train internet sarcasm plz
Axon Atom	Posted - 2011.04.18 18:54:00 - [41] you people are crazy paranoid. there are only like 4-6% of the player base that owns more than 1 account. and there are about 9000 bots in the game. Thata LOT. when the server is low at like 30,000 online in the afternoon that means 1/3 of the players are bots. have to rmember bots don't log off. server info shows 240,000 accounts log in a day. even they only log in for 5 minutes.
Tarasina	Posted - 2011.04.18 19:13:00 - [42] Edited by: Tarasina on 18/04/2011 19:13:58 Originally by: MotherMoon snippetysnip 2nd we allready know that, 4% of the eve community has an alt. it was in the QEN. it just happens to be close to number of PC gamers with multiple monitors according to steam, which they released as 2%. I can buy that eve has double the number of people with muliple monitors, more nerds here. But in general most people don't see the point of multiple monitors. thus why would you have multiple accounts. I don't have multiple monitors, I run 2 accounts (whenever I log in). I see no reason to get a second monitor. I'm not sure of how I signed up for the 2nd account, probably didn't use a creditcard, maybe I did. But I have paid with plex (both accounts) for the last year or so. Do CCP count my accounts as from 1 and the same guy? I don't know. I think it was a year ago that CCP said we have 2.6 or so accounts per person, on average. How many of those are only opened so they can train characters and then sell them? Then theres all kind of alts, like cyno alts etc.
Elyssa MacLeod	Posted - 2011.04.18 20:04:00 - [43] Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 18/04/2011 20:08:17 Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 18/04/2011 20:06:14 Originally by: Axon Atom you people are crazy paranoid. there are only like 4-6% of the player base that owns more than 1 account. Quote: Only (very) roughly one quarter, as per CCP's estimates in answer to how many people have alts as for the bots lol there are regions where the bots outnumber players. see the huge threadnaught Linkage Linkage Originally by: Tarasina I think it was a year ago that CCP said we have 2.6 or so accounts per person, on average. If thats the number that makes the number of unique accounts at like 180k before counting bot numbers. Im betting there are more than 9000 bots in this game given that 0.0 corps use botting corps to make their supercaps and titans
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.04.18 20:52:00 - [44] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 18/04/2011 20:55:23 Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod 360k accounts I say personally, cut it into a third to account for botters AND alts. So about 120,000. Somewhere between SWG and STO (given the estimation of a third botting or alts, regardless, there ARENT 360,000 original, live players here.) I don't know why but this sounds as the most realistic estimate to me .. Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi I swear to God...if I see a single "Werewolf" or "Vampire" in a station... WTB Vampire teeth!!! (and a cat)
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2011.04.18 20:59:00 - [45] Originally by: Jennifer Starling WTB Vampire teeth!!! (and a cat) I'll trade you for cat ears and a maid outfit. -- Did you know there's an alliance who's name you're not allowed to say, or website you're not allowed to link?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.18 21:01:00 - [46] ccp never said it was 2,6 accounts per person. they SAID it was 2.6 % of players had more than one account. and 9000 bots is enough to make 3 powerblock allainces. ok lets say at any given time on TQ you have 50,000 players logged in. only 10000 of them are going to be in 0.0 space. sorry but fact if 9000 if those players are bots... IT MIGHT SEEM LIKE A LOT.
Mica Swanhaven	Posted - 2011.04.18 21:03:00 - [47] Originally by: Tarasina Edited by: Tarasina on 18/04/2011 19:13:58 Originally by: MotherMoon snippetysnip 2nd we allready know that, 4% of the eve community has an alt. it was in the QEN. it just happens to be close to number of PC gamers with multiple monitors according to steam, which they released as 2%. I can buy that eve has double the number of people with muliple monitors, more nerds here. But in general most people don't see the point of multiple monitors. thus why would you have multiple accounts. I don't have multiple monitors, I run 2 accounts (whenever I log in). I see no reason to get a second monitor. I'm not sure of how I signed up for the 2nd account, probably didn't use a creditcard, maybe I did. But I have paid with plex (both accounts) for the last year or so. Do CCP count my accounts as from 1 and the same guy? I don't know. I think it was a year ago that CCP said we have 2.6 or so accounts per person, on average. How many of those are only opened so they can train characters and then sell them? Then theres all kind of alts, like cyno alts etc. why would you make a second account for a cyno alt? just log in one of your other 3 chaarcters, train it for a week. done. Lots of people train a 2nd chaarcter then transger it and shut down the 2nd account.
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2011.04.18 21:05:00 - [48] Edited by: Yuki Kulotsuki on 18/04/2011 21:05:43 I still want to see someone put together combat bot fleet. And they must spam "roger roger" in local. edit: @above, you can't log in to your other character on the same account. kind of important if you want to jump yourself to a cyno. -- Did you know there's an alliance who's name you're not allowed to say, or website you're not allowed to link?
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.18 21:10:00 - [49] "Bringing to EVE forums" is my mistake? Voicing opinions about the game on a game forum is completely normal, what do you think the forum is for then? Whining is fine because the game needs whining to identify the weak points so it can improve. Constructive discussions often spring from there. Whining about whining for the sake of whining however is not. So before any of you guys start another post saying "what's up with all the whine threads bla bla bla" shut the mouth up because this is a game forum and opinions about THE GAME is totally noraml and anyone should expect so. Also, you just lost something.
Zythrein	Posted - 2011.04.18 21:23:00 - [50] Originally by: Calathea Sata "Bringing to EVE forums" is my mistake? Voicing opinions about the game on a game forum is completely normal, what do you think the forum is for then? Whining is fine because the game needs whining to identify the weak points so it can improve. Constructive discussions often spring from there. Whining about whining for the sake of whining however is not. So before any of you guys start another post saying "what's up with all the whine threads bla bla bla" shut the mouth up because this is a game forum and opinions about THE GAME is totally noraml and anyone should expect so. Also, you just lost something. It's true, there are things in the game that could be changed for the better. Certainly. But it's gotten to the point recently where it seems any given thread I open is going to be by you. And it's going to be a whine. And everyone's going to be telling you to shut up and you'll be championing your righteous cause of improving the game. I grow weary of seeing you EVERYWHERE.
Puppet Mas'ter	Posted - 2011.04.18 21:32:00 - [51] Originally by: MotherMoon only 10000 of them are going to be in 0.0 space. sorry but fact Id like to see evidence that backs up this "fact"
Elyssa MacLeod	Posted - 2011.04.18 21:35:00 - [52] Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 18/04/2011 21:36:30 Originally by: Calathea Sata "Bringing to EVE forums" is my mistake? Voicing opinions about the game on a game forum is completely normal, what do you think the forum is for then? Whats with ppl that dont train "internet sarcasm" (as I aleady said it was earlier in the thread)? Its essential for forum warrioring lol plus, youre in like 9 out of 10 whining threads, 8 of which YOU MADE
Shawna Gray Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.18 21:50:00 - [53] Edited by: Shawna Gray on 18/04/2011 21:50:27 Originally by: Calathea Sata Whining is fine because the game needs whining to identify the weak points so it can improve. Constructive discussions often spring from there. I seem to remember you had your ragequit emo thread a while ago. What happened? Empty threats again? Or are you really spending your time whining on a forum for a game you dont play?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.18 21:54:00 - [54] Edited by: MotherMoon on 18/04/2011 21:55:00 Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter Originally by: MotherMoon only 10000 of them are going to be in 0.0 space. sorry but fact Id like to see evidence that backs up this "fact" ok Quote: Eve is an emerging society inhabited by pilots that find their own niche in one of many available professions. Today there are more than 195,000 accounts, which represents 433,000 characters, or 2.2 characters per account. It is estimated that the population of EVE will have reached 200,000 by mid-Q4 2007 and will be well into 210,000 by Q1 2008. In addition to these accounts, there are another 45,000 trial accounts that could potentially become part of the society in the near future. Of these 433,000 characters, there are 164,000 Caldari pilots (38%), 116,000 Gallente pilots (27%), 86,000 Minmatar pilots (20%), and 68,000 Amarr pilots (16%). In terms of gender, there are 40% female characters and 60% male characters in EVE Quote: A snapshot of the status on October 19th, 2007 was used to find out which ship players happen to be in at downtime. We found that 78% of all characters were located in high security areas (security status at 0.5 or higher), 13% were located in low security areas, and 9% were in 0.0 at the time the snapshot was taken. 10% would mean only 5000 players out of the 50,000 on would be in 0.0 space. So I was being generous. 5000 players however means 2 players per system if every system had players. which they don't. so 5000 players can populate most of 0.0 in high numbers. also note that's 2.2 CHARACTERS per account, not accounts per player. http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/QEN/QEN_Q3-2007.pdf
JitaBUGz TheGreat	Posted - 2011.04.18 21:56:00 - [55] On topic. I would imagine the very early builds of WIS. Were basic meshes that had very little in game mechanics. And were at the very best, using a very young version of what Carbon is today. When a car company creates a clay model of there product for all to see, they dont use that clay to mass produce a car they sell to the public, that would just be silly. And for the rest of the ppl crying in this thread. The pop seems fine to me, more then enough ppl in 0.0. High sec is loaded. Low sec gankers seem to be more then ever-thank the eve gods they are not aloud to use bubbles. I spend about half my time all over 0.0. the the rest in high sec. There are far more bots in high sec, way more.(sit outside a lvl 4 caldari station,,lol) That is why i am going to be war decing every mission running, and mining corp that i see a bot in. And I suggest everyone that hates bots to do the same. To many large highsec corps have bots hiding in them:(
Axon Atom	Posted - 2011.04.18 22:00:00 - [56] uugnh, take those facts
Puppet Mas'ter	Posted - 2011.04.18 22:10:00 - [57] Edited by: Puppet Mas''ter on 18/04/2011 22:11:28 Edited by: Puppet Mas''ter on 18/04/2011 22:10:23 Originally by: MotherMoon Quote: Eve is an emerging society inhabited by pilots that find their own niche in one of many available professions. Today there are more than 195,000 accounts, which represents 433,000 characters, or 2.2 characters per account. It is estimated that the population of EVE will have reached 200,000 by mid-Q4 2007 and will be well into 210,000 by Q1 2008. In addition to these accounts, there are another 45,000 trial accounts that could potentially become part of the society in the near future. Of these 433,000 characters, there are 164,000 Caldari pilots (38%), 116,000 Gallente pilots (27%), 86,000 Minmatar pilots (20%), and 68,000 Amarr pilots (16%). In terms of gender, there are 40% female characters and 60% male characters in EVE Quote: A snapshot of the status on October 19th, 2007 was used to find out which ship players happen to be in at downtime. We found that 78% of all characters were located in high security areas (security status at 0.5 or higher), 13% were located in low security areas, and 9% were in 0.0 at the time the snapshot was taken. Youre quoting stats from 4 years ago you realize that? but ofc to your sensibilities Im guessing nothing has changed AT ALL Try some data that backs up your "fact" for 2011 Because, yes, things change in time, especially the number of bots. Tldr; try again with CURRENT facts
Jack BingKaria	Posted - 2011.04.18 22:12:00 - [58] Edited by: Jack BingKaria on 18/04/2011 22:14:28 Edited by: Jack BingKaria on 18/04/2011 22:12:43 I always believed all the wars were as much fun graphical as this one!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt82_9FpbLY drone stand But I never saw even my first salvo being fired!
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.04.18 22:21:00 - [59] Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 18/04/2011 22:26:02 I wanna play that game damn thats a good video lol -------- Dammit, they killed the post where Sreegs says personal attacks are against the rules. I wanted to lol at him for that
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.18 22:29:00 - [60] Originally by: Zythrein It's true, there are things in the game that could be changed for the better. Certainly. But it's gotten to the point recently where it seems any given thread I open is going to be by you.[1] And it's going to be a whine.[2] And everyone's going to be telling you to shut up[3] and you'll be championing your righteous cause of improving the game.[4] I grow weary of seeing you EVERYWHERE.[5] [1] I can post in a forum. [2] I can voice my opinion in a forum. [3] They telling me to shut up without any good reason, is their fault. Also, it won't make you any "cooler" by joining the troll gang. [4] Because I am raising awareness to issues, and not just me, many have similar opinions as well. Refer to the other "whine threads". [5] Too bad for you, not my fault to be visible. Don't come to the forum if you don't like it.
Kengutsi Akira	Posted - 2011.04.18 22:39:00 - [61] Originally by: Calathea Sata Originally by: Zythrein It's true, there are things in the game that could be changed for the better. Certainly. But it's gotten to the point recently where it seems any given thread I open is going to be by you.[1] And it's going to be a whine.[2] And everyone's going to be telling you to shut up[3] and you'll be championing your righteous cause of improving the game.[4] I grow weary of seeing you EVERYWHERE.[5] [1] He can post in a forum [2] He can voice my opinion in a forum. [3] You refusing to see the reason theyre telling you to shut up doesnt mean they dont have a good reason (such as you creating 30 whine threads a day) [4] Youre not raising awareness, youre whining. As youve said. You do it to see yourself type (the internet version of hearing yourself talk) Quote: [5] Too bad for you, not my fault to be visible. Don't come to the forum if you don't like it. lol at you trying to tell him not to infringe on your "right" (put in quotes cause it isnt one) to whine on the forums by infringing on his "right" to whine about you whining on the forums. ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass"
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.18 22:42:00 - [62] Originally by: Calathea Sata Originally by: Zythrein It's true, there are things in the game that could be changed for the better. Certainly. But it's gotten to the point recently where it seems any given thread I open is going to be by you.[1] And it's going to be a whine.[2] And everyone's going to be telling you to shut up[3] and you'll be championing your righteous cause of improving the game.[4] I grow weary of seeing you EVERYWHERE.[5] [1] I can post in a forum. [2] I can voice my opinion in a forum. [3] They telling me to shut up without any good reason, is their fault. Also, it won't make you any "cooler" by joining the troll gang. [4] Because I am raising awareness to issues, and not just me, many have similar opinions as well. Refer to the other "whine threads". [5] Too bad for you, not my fault to be visible. Don't come to the forum if you don't like it. Well because there is a difference between having contructive opinion and being a troll. Also don't try to misquote me to make me sound like I'm talking about things I'm not talking about.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.18 22:46:00 - [63] Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter Edited by: Puppet Mas''ter on 18/04/2011 22:11:28 Edited by: Puppet Mas''ter on 18/04/2011 22:10:23 Originally by: MotherMoon Quote: Eve is an emerging society inhabited by pilots that find their own niche in one of many available professions. Today there are more than 195,000 accounts, which represents 433,000 characters, or 2.2 characters per account. It is estimated that the population of EVE will have reached 200,000 by mid-Q4 2007 and will be well into 210,000 by Q1 2008. In addition to these accounts, there are another 45,000 trial accounts that could potentially become part of the society in the near future. Of these 433,000 characters, there are 164,000 Caldari pilots (38%), 116,000 Gallente pilots (27%), 86,000 Minmatar pilots (20%), and 68,000 Amarr pilots (16%). In terms of gender, there are 40% female characters and 60% male characters in EVE Quote: A snapshot of the status on October 19th, 2007 was used to find out which ship players happen to be in at downtime. We found that 78% of all characters were located in high security areas (security status at 0.5 or higher), 13% were located in low security areas, and 9% were in 0.0 at the time the snapshot was taken. Youre quoting stats from 4 years ago you realize that? but ofc to your sensibilities Im guessing nothing has changed AT ALL Try some data that backs up your "fact" for 2011 Because, yes, things change in time, especially the number of bots. Tldr; try again with CURRENT facts so in YOUR opinion, in the past 4 years 0.0 has become so popular it's jumped up from 10% to beyond 20%? Are you kidding me? do you really think 0.0 has gotten MORE popular? your crazy.
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2011.04.18 22:49:00 - [64] Originally by: MotherMoon Are you kidding me? do you really think 0.0 has gotten MORE popular? you're crazy. It could be argued that Dominion did in fact increase the 0.0 population with the addition of anoms. Also consider that TEST joined the game in the past 4 years which has probably increased the amount of players in 0.0 space. -- Did you know there's an alliance who's name you're not allowed to say, or website you're not allowed to link?
Shawna Gray Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.18 22:51:00 - [65] Originally by: MotherMoon Are you kidding me? do you really think 0.0 has gotten MORE popular? your crazy. It certainly seems a lot more crowded, but maybe thats just the region of space i'm in now.
Kengutsi Akira	Posted - 2011.04.18 23:04:00 - [66] Originally by: Calathea Sata Also don't try to misquote me to make me sound like I'm talking about things I'm not talking about. I didnt misquote you deliberately lol I missed a /quote somewhere yes, trolling... Quote: 7 Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is the word used to describe a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the players. Posts of this nature are disruptive and do not contribute to the sense of community we want for our forums. by that definition your whines are trolling. FYI ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass"
Puppet Mas'ter	Posted - 2011.04.18 23:06:00 - [67] and youre SANE by thinking it HASNT changed at all in FOUR YEARS? think about that. especially the 9000 bots part cause you seem to think everything the same as it was 4 years ago
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.19 00:29:00 - [68] Edited by: MotherMoon on 19/04/2011 00:33:17 Originally by: Shawna Gray Originally by: MotherMoon Are you kidding me? do you really think 0.0 has gotten MORE popular? your crazy. It certainly seems a lot more crowded, but maybe thats just the region of space i'm in now. well yeah we are talking % here. 10% of then is less than 10% of now. even if it DOUBLED which was the figure I used. It would mean that people on here, who are throwing around that eve has MORE than 9000 bots, are saying that that 20% of the users online are bots. Which happens to be the same number of people that are in 0.0 I think it's STUPID it say that everyone in 0.0 is a bot. also that people don't understand big numbers. 9000 people is enough to make every system in 0.0 space populated. 20,000 is enough to make that space crowded. FACT. so yes if it's doubled in % over the past 3 years then 10,000 users are online in 0.0 at peak time. if people think there are over 9000 bots online at a time then they must ALL BE BOTS. which is dumb. there are only 35 regions in 0.0 space. If even half of those regions have bots, you would only need 4000 bots to have 4 of them in each system. come on this is basic math. I believe the 10% mark is still true. 0.0 space has no increased in population % to total sub. I don't believe there has been any change that has made 0.0 easier to get into. Most likely, imo, based on all available information, trends, and common knowledge. there are about 3000-4000 bots online at peak hours. These bots can be found in groups of 20 from my experience. In groups of 20, that means that in each region of space 35 of them you will find a bot fleet of 20 ships in 6 systems of each region. This means IF, IF IF all these facts are true, and each region has mean 100 systems. 6% of all 0.0 system would be bot infested. I think you actully PLAY EVE, unlike some people... you'll find that you find bots in 0.0 A LOT. but you find empty space MUCH MORE OFTEN. So yes, even if 0.0 space has double in popularity, there is no way I would ever buy forum paranoia that 10,000 bots are running active in eve, and that half the playbase is alts. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE. and besides people in this thread are saying eve has over 50,000 bots. That's DUMB. bots don't log off. So i guess at any given time in eve when we've got 60,000 players online. 50,000 of them are bots, and of the remaining 10,000 everyone has 3 accounts right? so only 3000 people in the WHOLE WORLD are really playing eve. it's LAUGHABLE logic.
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2011.04.19 00:34:00 - [69] Originally by: FeralShadow The devs have built and scrapped Incarna-in-development numerous times so they could make it the best way they could. Each time they started over, they did better things with it. It's what's called Prototyping. The first were back in 2008. The latest (and best) is what's being worked on now. CCP has said this numerous times. -Feral What a load of crap. They're rushing to finish it so they can release DUST and get paid for all the wasted time, since the console market has already moved onto better engines. CCP Nathan "the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells" Evelgrivion "each passing year, each failure to deliver on expectations of basic competence"
Puppet Mas'ter	Posted - 2011.04.19 01:40:00 - [70] Edited by: Puppet Mas''ter on 19/04/2011 01:41:58 Originally by: MotherMoon well yeah we are talking % here. 10% of then is less than 10% of now. show your proof. Funny you think that the population of 0.0 grows with the population of the game but with the above youre saying there are less in 0.0 now than there were back in 2007 Quote: I think it's STUPID it say that everyone in 0.0 is a bot. link where I said that cause I didnt. Youre blowing it out your ass now. Quote: so yes if it's doubled in % over the past 3 years then 10,000 users are online in 0.0 at peak time. if people think there are over 9000 bots online at a time then they must ALL BE BOTS. which is dumb. first, show me where CCP says the bot number has doubled, cause again, otherwise, youre nlong numbers out your ass, and AGAIN, I never said everyone in 0.0 is a bot. Stop saying that you look like an idiot. Quote: I believe the 10% mark is still true. 0.0 space has no increased in population % to total sub. again, link to CURRENT info. Not four year old data. Quote: Most likely, imo, based on all available information, trends, and common knowledge. there are about 3000-4000 bots online at peak hours. copy pasta again, link to CURRENT info. Not four year old data. Quote: This means IF, IF IF all these facts are true, all these numbers, not facts. You have yet to provide CURRENT data backing up your numbers. Quote: and besides people in this thread are saying eve has over 50,000 bots. That's DUMB. again, quote the person that said this, Id like to laugh at them too. Otherwise its you. Quote: it's LAUGHABLE logic. hey look, something we agree about. Although its your logic (and made up numbers) thats laughable.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.19 02:13:00 - [71] Edited by: MotherMoon on 19/04/2011 02:14:37 Edited by: MotherMoon on 19/04/2011 02:14:27 Quote: show your proof. Funny you think that the population of 0.0 grows with the population of the game but with the above youre saying there are less in 0.0 now than there were back in 2007 I'm sorry I stopped reading here. I was saying there was more in 0.0 today then there was in 2007. if you think 10% of 150,000 is more than 10% of 360,000 your a fool. Sorry but the rest of the post isn't wroth my time if you don't have the time to even reply to what I posted. edit I tried to read more and got to this Quote: link where I said that cause I didnt. Youre blowing it out your ass now. you quote me as saying "people in this thread" and then accuse me of saying it was you. when did I say it was you? want to train reading comprehension to level 2 please.
Puppet Mas'ter	Posted - 2011.04.19 02:15:00 - [72] Originally by: MotherMoon Quote: show your proof. Funny you think that the population of 0.0 grows with the population of the game but with the above youre saying there are less in 0.0 now than there were back in 2007 I'm sorry I stopped read here. I was saying there was more in 0.0 today then there was in 2007. if you think 10% of 150,000 is more than 10% of 360,000 your a fool. Sorry but the rest of the post isn't wroth my time if you don't have the time to even reply to what I posted. funny. the fool calls me a fool cause his numbers are made up and he cant provide current proof for his figures. yeah... move on mother, you cant prove your math so your argument is specious at best
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.19 02:17:00 - [73] Edited by: MotherMoon on 19/04/2011 02:18:39 Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter Originally by: MotherMoon Quote: show your proof. Funny you think that the population of 0.0 grows with the population of the game but with the above youre saying there are less in 0.0 now than there were back in 2007 I'm sorry I stopped read here. I was saying there was more in 0.0 today then there was in 2007. if you think 10% of 150,000 is more than 10% of 360,000 your a fool. Sorry but the rest of the post isn't wroth my time if you don't have the time to even reply to what I posted. funny. the fool calls me a fool cause his numbers are made up and he cant provide current proof for his figures. yeah... move on mother, you cant prove your math so your argument is specious at best WHO ARE YOU! Quote: 360k accounts I say personally, cut it into a third to account for botters AND alts. So about 120,000. Somewhere between SWG and STO (given the estimation of a third botting or alts, regardless, there ARENT 360,000 original, live players here.) did you say this? becuase if you didn't SHUT UP. I was NEVER TALKING TO YOU. where did you come from! why are telling me that I'm putting words in your mouth? why do you think 10% of 100,000 is bigger than 10% of 300,000! also i'm not mkaing numbers up! I'm quoting the number of system in game in 0.0, the number of players in game. and past population trends of player % population. if you read my post I said ASSUMING THESE ASSUMPTIONS ARE TRUE.
Puppet Mas'ter	Posted - 2011.04.19 02:21:00 - [74] Edited by: Puppet Mas''ter on 19/04/2011 02:23:02 Originally by: MotherMoon more bull ok... provide me with non 4 year old data that shows your numbers werent bull and Ill accept your answer. Till then all that huge post and your following tripe was just that. and the last post, and the melting down wont help you prove the math you dont have the data to back up its entertaining though lol Originally by: MotherMoon also i'm not mkaing numbers up! yes actually you are and its funny that you cant even see that youre doing it but like I said, get CURRENT data and come back.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.19 02:21:00 - [75] Quote: If thats the number that makes the number of unique accounts at like 180k before counting bot numbers. Im betting there are more than 9000 bots in this game given that 0.0 corps use botting corps to make their supercaps and titans why don't YOU read the thread. how did you miss the whole page talking about how this is true? and my post is about how this is stupid and false.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.19 02:25:00 - [76] Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter Originally by: MotherMoon more bull ok... provide me with non 4 year old data that shows your numbers werent bull and Ill accept your answer. Till then all that huge post and your following tripe was just that. and the last post, and the melting down wont help you prove the math you dont have the data to back up its entertaining though lol so what your saying is the hard numbers that say in 2007 10% of players were in 0.0 is no longer valid? what do you really think 50-70% of players are in 0.0? I've been playing eve for 6-7 years, it's always been the trend that 0.0 is always the smallest population of eve online. you don't need to be a genius to see that. so assuming that's true, people in this post are saying there are over 9000 bots. Which would mean that 20% of the current players logged in are bots. since as you know 10,000 is 20% of 50,000. yay math face palm. I am not talking to you! go away! I'm talking to the person saying that 20% of the people logged into eve are bots! I'm not debating any of your points! I never have been!
Puppet Mas'ter	Posted - 2011.04.19 02:28:00 - [77] Edited by: Puppet Mas''ter on 19/04/2011 02:30:57 Edited by: Puppet Mas''ter on 19/04/2011 02:30:36 Originally by: MotherMoon I am not talking to you! go away! You are talking in a public thread on EVE-O you are talking to everyone in the thread. Just cause Im calling you on your bull** numbers doesnt mean you get to tell me to go away and I will. Originally by:** MotherMoon what do you really think 50-70% of players are in 0.0? look more number that youre pulling out of your ass. I never said that. or better yet, quote where I said 50-70% of the players in the game are in 0.0 Ill wait Get that current data while youre at it.
Mica Swanhaven	Posted - 2011.04.19 02:31:00 - [78] Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter yes actually you are and its funny that you cant even see that youre doing it but like I said, get CURRENT data and come back. Mother is just using current and past trends to make a point. 20% of the people logged in at peak hours are not bots. and people don't have on average 3 accoutns each. Mothermoon is right on those two points. she has only been commenting on other peoples made up numbers and putting them into comparison with a good guess. and calling them guesses. there is a difference between making up numbers, and speculation based on what we do know. Everything she posted, she said it was speculation. Arguing that someones speculation is not fact is stupid, and you're making yourself look stupid for it. even if it is funny to watch mother fall for such an obvious troll.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.19 02:33:00 - [79] Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter You are talking in a public thread on EVE-O you are talking to everyone in the thread. Just cause Im calling you on your bull**** numbers doesnt mean you get to tell me to go away and I will Ok seriously, just stop. I replied to someones point. You came in and said "stop putting words in my mouth!" I'm not telling you to go away, I'm trying to explain to you that my reply to another poster was meant for them. that's why I replied to their point.
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.04.19 02:36:00 - [80] Originally by: Mica Swanhaven even if it is funny to watch mother fall for such an obvious troll. I know right? Even more funny to watch her melt down like that DONT FEED THE TROLL -------- Dammit, they killed the post where Sreegs says personal attacks are against the rules. I wanted to lol at him for that
Axon Atom	Posted - 2011.04.19 03:06:00 - [81] lol classic mothermoon
Alotta Baggage Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail	Posted - 2011.04.19 03:18:00 - [82] CCP started working on it last week, they spent the last 4 years getting drunk and talking about it Originally by: Valkoinen Heteromies I for one would love to be able to walk on stations and fly spaceships in the body of a little cute catgirl!
sableye principle of motion	Posted - 2011.04.19 03:44:00 - [83] there was no previous incarna I just imagined the one I played at fan fest. ----------------------------------------- View The North Star! In All Its Glory!!
Alotta Baggage Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail	Posted - 2011.04.19 03:55:00 - [84] Wow, mothermoon looks like a man Originally by: Valkoinen Heteromies I for one would love to be able to walk on stations and fly spaceships in the body of a little cute catgirl!
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.19 04:28:00 - [85] Originally by: Alotta Baggage Wow, mothermoon looks like a man must...resist...troll O.o
Elyssa MacLeod	Posted - 2011.04.19 04:30:00 - [86] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Alotta Baggage Wow, mothermoon looks like a man must...resist...troll O.o Why start now?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.19 07:05:00 - [87] Originally by: Alotta Baggage Wow, mothermoon looks like a man I'll have you you know your mother smells of elder berries
Commander Michael Iwaniak Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.04.19 07:47:00 - [88] spurlos verschwunden Do not spit on your own words.

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