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Kane Molou	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:08:00 - [1] Ok, if you've followed CCP and eve for the past few years you know that walking in station isn't new, you also know that it was SHOWN at fanfests before now case in point would be: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7R6AxoO8yY <-- this is the 2008 fan fest which clearly shows a lot of WIS done.. i mean we see them walking around etc etc etc etc etc. Now jump to fanfest 2011... and the captains quarters presentation and listen to the comments made durring it (for those of you who missed the live stream) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa48io03d_0 Part one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WguGfUg33nA Part two Now in this the direct comment and to quote 'We have been working on this since the start of this year, so 3 months now'. Ok so we have gone from 3 years of development to 3 months of development? I can understand we have a new Graphics engine but that hardly explains dropping of 3 YEARS worth of development.. So it'd be nice to see a Dev come in and Answer why we suddenly get told that 3 months is all that's been done and where the previous development all went.. Also where is it on SiSi? you guys said originally before Fanfest.. then 'straight after' fanfest.. now we get buggy patch 1.4 and still nothing on the test server for incarna?
London Imminent Ruin Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:10:00 - [2] I think it's captain's quarters specifically that has been worked on for that given time frame, and Incarna as a whole for the longer period. .................................................................. Create a Starship contest entry: Naga Frigate
Malcanis Caldari Alcohlics Anonymous IMPERIAL LEGI0N	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:13:00 - [3] The first rule of Incarna Club is that you dont talk about 2006-2009 Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:19:00 - [4] The second rule of Incarna Club is that you do not talk about 2006 - 2009.
Graic Valente Gallente Valente Galactic Enterprises	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:26:00 - [5] Originally by: Malcanis The first rule of Incarna Club is that you dont talk about 2006-2009 You sir have given me a genuine LOL. /salutes.
Laser Purification	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:28:00 - [6] WoD development is taking longer than expected.
Kane Molou	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:29:00 - [7] I'll give you a nod on that one.. yeah it appears to have become a 'black hole' that you don't mention.. and if mentioned to ccp they all vanish from the room really really fast.
Steve Seninard	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:31:00 - [8] They've had all their time tied up into making those ****ty "music" videos.
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:31:00 - [9] 3rd RULE: If someone says "wtf?" or emoragequits, biomasses the trolling's over. 4th RULE: Only 10 on 1 troll threads. 5th RULE: Must have more than one thread at a time. 6th RULE: No shirts, no shoes. 7th RULE: Development will go on as long as it has to. 8th RULE: If this is your first time at GD, you HAVE to start an Incarna Club thread. By the way, real men biomass when they emoragequit.
Gwenywell Shumuku	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:40:00 - [10] Pretty simple, they did alot of tests as they had no experience with avatar-games, finally in 2009 they had a running prototype (even station interiors already with slots and bars and stuff), and then had to accept that it doesn't scale very well. What is left is that they did consolidate their carbon-code. Now they have to deliver something so they are starting slow and hope for murphys-law to fix there performance problems.
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2011.04.17 23:35:00 - [11] Who cares, Eve died 2 years ago. CCP know this, they made the choice to give up and just ** it for what it's worth. CCP Nathan** "the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells" Evelgrivion "each passing year, each failure to deliver on expectations of basic competence"
Vertisce Soritenshi O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.17 23:41:00 - [12] I swear to God...if I see a single "Werewolf" or "Vampire" in a station... NO BOOBIES LEFT BEHIND!
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.17 23:43:00 - [13] Just look at the amount of "EVE is dying" threads and "Quitting" threads over the last few days. EVE is dying slowly and CCP does not give a fock as long as they can push out new shineys to attract more noobies.
Cailais Amarr Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.04.18 00:09:00 - [14] Originally by: Calathea Sata Just look at the amount of "EVE is dying" threads and "Quitting" threads over the last few days. EVE is dying slowly and CCP does not give a fock as long as they can push out new shineys to attract more noobies. EVE's always dying. (& Most of those threads are yours anyway). C. the hydrostatic capsule blog
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.18 00:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Calathea Sata Just look at the amount of "EVE is dying" threads and "Quitting" threads over the last few days. EVE is dying slowly and CCP does not give a fock as long as they can push out new shineys to attract more noobies. EVE's always dying. (& Most of those threads are yours anyway). C. Nope, they are real people agreeing to my point of view. Many of them. You jelly?
Wilhelm Riley	Posted - 2011.04.18 00:15:00 - [16] Originally by: Kane Molou etc etc etc etc etc. How incredibly redundant.
Cailais Amarr Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.04.18 00:18:00 - [17] Originally by: Calathea Sata Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Calathea Sata Just look at the amount of "EVE is dying" threads and "Quitting" threads over the last few days. EVE is dying slowly and CCP does not give a fock as long as they can push out new shineys to attract more noobies. EVE's always dying. (& Most of those threads are yours anyway). C. Nope, they are real people agreeing to my point of view. Many of them. You jelly? You're looking to confirm your beliefs through a social proof. 'Many' is qualitative; you've got a handful of players you say are quitting vs a player populations in the thousands. Have fun convincing yourself otherwise though. C. the hydrostatic capsule blog
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.18 00:21:00 - [18] Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Calathea Sata Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Calathea Sata Just look at the amount of "EVE is dying" threads and "Quitting" threads over the last few days. EVE is dying slowly and CCP does not give a fock as long as they can push out new shineys to attract more noobies. EVE's always dying. (& Most of those threads are yours anyway). C. Nope, they are real people agreeing to my point of view. Many of them. You jelly? You're looking to confirm your beliefs through a social proof. 'Many' is qualitative; you've got a handful of players you say are quitting vs a player populations in the thousands. Have fun convincing yourself otherwise though. C. I don't need to, I am just saying you are very wrong, and totally pointless, and if I'm not polite I would have told you to shut up, and go back to your den.
Cailais Amarr Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.04.18 00:31:00 - [19] Originally by: Calathea Sata I don't need to, I am just saying you are very wrong, and totally pointless, and if I'm not polite I would have told you to shut up, and go back to your den. Naturally you will need to say that. To do otherwise would mean you would be acting inconsistently. However the facts are still in my favour: a few players 'quitting' publicly on the forums, an over all trend of an increase in players since launch. C. the hydrostatic capsule blog
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.18 00:33:00 - [20] Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Calathea Sata I don't need to, I am just saying you are very wrong, and totally pointless, and if I'm not polite I would have told you to shut up, and go back to your den. Naturally you will need to say that. To do otherwise would mean you would be acting inconsistently. However the facts are still in my favour: a few players 'quitting' publicly on the forums, an over all trend of an increase in players since launch. C. I never cared about the overall trend of players, I was only talking about the forums. Many have spoken out about their disappointment in CCP echoing my own opinion, that was my point.
Xylengra	Posted - 2011.04.18 01:41:00 - [21] Originally by: Calathea Sata I never cared about the overall trend of players, I was only talking about the forums. Well, hell - there's your problem right there. Forums != Eve You make a rookie mistake in making assumptions/predictions based on too small a sample size. Those that follow the forums are a subset of the overall player base, and the outspoken forum warriors are an even smaller subset of the first. In fact, I believe it can be demonstrated that many of the most outspoken in the forums barely play the game, and, just like you, don't really understand the dynamics involved. Don't take that personally, because I really don't know whether or not you ever undock, but from what you say here in the forums, you obviously don't understand that there are PLENTY of (as in many, many more) players enjoying the game, day in and day out, who could not give a rat's a$$ about what any of us here say/think/prognosticate. Don't get me wrong (about the thread topic). Incarna is a joke, always has been and always will be, whether or not it is ever released - which I doubt. That so many keep paying their $ while waiting for something new they can *** about is, perhaps, the most ironic thing going on here. We all know the type (and one can be found here in this very thread) who claim that the game is dead, has been dead, for many years, yet they still must be subscribed because they still can post their complaints. These rank right up there with those that have to 'announce' that they are quitting eve and yet are still posting months later. If the game sucks for you, just go. If you still like playing, quit yer ***in'.
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.18 02:01:00 - [22] Ok, bla bla bla, so all you're saying is just complaining me and my fellow "outspoken warriors" talking about the bad things of CCP and this game. Never cared. Most of us are just speaking on behave on ourselves. Most of us gave contructive feedbacks. Whiners whining about people whining however, as you two have demostrated, is not. Try to speak for EVE or CCP if you like, for example, if you want to contribute to anything.
Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.04.18 03:00:00 - [23] Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku Pretty simple, they did alot of tests as they had no experience with avatar-games, finally in 2009 they had a running prototype (even station interiors already with slots and bars and stuff), and then had to accept that it doesn't scale very well. What is left is that they did consolidate their carbon-code. Now they have to deliver something so they are starting slow and hope for murphys-law to fix there performance problems. I assume you meant Moore's law? Since Murphy's law would mean that everything that can go wrong with Incarna has/will go wrong!!!
FeralShadow RipStar. United Front Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.18 04:38:00 - [24] The devs have built and scrapped Incarna-in-development numerous times so they could make it the best way they could. Each time they started over, they did better things with it. It's what's called Prototyping. The first were back in 2008. The latest (and best) is what's being worked on now. CCP has said this numerous times. -Feral _______________________________________________ "If you want to taste the ground, feel free to attack." - Kenshin Himura
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.18 04:47:00 - [25] Originally by: Calathea Sata Ok, bla bla bla, so all you're saying is just complaining me and my fellow "outspoken warriors" talking about the bad things of CCP and this game. Never cared. Most of us are just speaking on behave on ourselves. Most of us gave contructive feedbacks. Whiners whining about people whining however, as you two have demostrated, is not. Try to speak for EVE or CCP if you like, for example, if you want to contribute to anything. yeah you and your "outspoken warriors" which is why in every thread you make you have ZERO supporters. no one agreed with you about the scorpion, and no one agrees with you now.
Zora Gallente Vector Industries	Posted - 2011.04.18 04:47:00 - [26] If you connect the dots it's actually quite obvious. They "took the technology out of the eve client" and put it into CARBON. The first results of CARBON that you see are the new character creator. The second one is the new UI engine that is currently being tested on SiSi and will subsequently be improved with fancy 3D-effects, better performance, etc. I'm not sure how much the actual space-rendering engine is using CARBON as of now, but my guess is it's also pretty integrated by now. The cool thing is (and that's really pretty cool) that they can use the same tech for WOD and Dust, and generate a lot of synergetic re-use, regarding both code and tools. So my second guess is, the "old" work on Incarna was using tech that is now basically obsolete. You see that kind of phenomenom at a lot of software companies nowadays. They build a generic framework (aka platform) for stuff, and suddenly everything that came before it and didn't use it seems "off", and everytime you look at the old code you get the urge to re-build it using your fancy new tools. Especially if the old work was incomplete and full of hacks. I understand that notion because I've been there for a while, and it's a deathtrap. The moment you start re-building a project with your new framework, you suddenly realize it's a lot of work. You can re-use the ideas and chunks of code, but everything else has to be adapted to work with the new tools. And hence, we have a new timeline for Incarna, starting 2011. Forget everything that came before it, but at least this time it should turn out nicely. The problem is that of perception, they're still pretty low on the curve, and it will take a while before the slope gradually starts to rise upwards. Of course I could be completely wrong too, so take this with a grain of salt
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.18 15:11:00 - [27] Without question the biggest disappointment to me with EvE is that I started playing in 2008 and the word on the street was "next expansion". CCP knew good and god damned well that it was not going to be the next expansion, and had a responsibility to address that realistically. Never happened and never will. And TBH I can tell a lot of the angst the fanbase has with CCP is related to this. When a problem comes up with the game they EXPECT CCP to apply their famous soonÖ. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Lokaas	Posted - 2011.04.18 15:22:00 - [28] Originally by: Calathea Sata Just look at the amount of "EVE is dying" threads and "Quitting" threads over the last few days. EVE is dying slowly and CCP does not give a fock as long as they can push out new shineys to attract more noobies. Well, in the Sylvia Plath sense of the word we're all dying... lol!
Elyssa MacLeod	Posted - 2011.04.18 15:27:00 - [29] Originally by: London I think it's captain's quarters specifically that has been worked on for that given time frame, and Incarna as a whole for the longer period. and the whole idea of the captains quarters reminds me of Star Trek, which makes me thing of STO, then my stomach churns and I throw up.
Puppet Mas'ter	Posted - 2011.04.18 15:29:00 - [30] Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Calathea Sata Just look at the amount of "EVE is dying" threads and "Quitting" threads over the last few days. EVE is dying slowly and CCP does not give a fock as long as they can push out new shineys to attract more noobies. EVE's always dying. (& Most of those threads are yours anyway). C. this is not untrue, if they gave Cala a point for every thread as "spam" Im betting thered be a permaban by now

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